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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:02 pm
by Syn
i want tim to shoot me

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:03 pm
by Long Con
Kylemii wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:00 pm Just requesting a headcount, who wants made to get nightyeeted tonight, Vs. who thinks someone else should be eliminated from the PoE via nightyeet, and if so who please. Thanks, love you.
Well, no. I don't want Made death. I think Made is town and should be protected and cherished. Let's nightyeet.... Jack.

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:05 pm
by Justplayingitcool
TSP wagon is bad

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:06 pm
by Justplayingitcool
Kylemii wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:00 pm Just requesting a headcount, who wants made to get nightyeeted tonight, Vs. who thinks someone else should be eliminated from the PoE via nightyeet, and if so who please. Thanks, love you.
I don't want made killed atm

I say nanook but I honestly could not give you a reason why

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:07 pm
by Long Con
Syn wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:02 pm i want tim to shoot me
It just looks so...

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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:08 pm
by hollowkatt
tutuu wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:27 pm the marmot cfd was pretty out of the blue and it worked

we have fool proof evidence that flash wagons are incredibly pro-town and probably the best strategy for town to employ much to the demise to a canadian hater girl somewhere out there in the cold

town leaders, do ur magic, i know u can
isn't this post much better written as "sheep nutella"?

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:10 pm
by hollowkatt
Michelle wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:32 pm HK since then the wagon composition is important when you make a read?
When I feel like it does.
Like I haven't paid much attention to the game, that's blatantly obvious. I've done some ISO reading that mostly just solidifies town reads instead of giving me wolf reads to push, so when I'm looking at the wagons we currently have if I think there are less town people on wagon A vs wagon B wagon B I feel has more potential to be correct.

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:10 pm
by hollowkatt
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:34 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:21 pm Legit, maybe town wins should get an extra advancement slot. Someone should pitch that to the jury.
if wolves win the town who spent the most time in ohio should advance
advance out of Ohio maybe, I can buy that.

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:12 pm
by hollowkatt
Master Radishes wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:35 pm
Spoiler: show
hollowkatt wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:33 pm
Master Radishes wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:03 pm
hollowkatt wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:52 pm
Master Radishes wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:48 pm
hollowkatt wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 3:13 pm Ok, why though?
Like I'm thinking back to the spec chat game where I did some crafty setup for a future chop on town as wolf before I went over, townies bought it, and we went on to win the game. Hard defense of someone town as wolf is something that should be in every wolves repertoire, yeah? Especially because it leads into situations like this.
And, in my experience, when done correctly it's generally a wolf that brings it back up after a day or two so that they can look solving while susing town and not getting any heat back from it.
'I did this thing one time and therefore Radishes is mafia.'

Makes sense.
Wow, that's reductive and unhelpful! Good job :)
Your original attempt to explain why I might be a wolf was reductive and unhelpful. I responded in kind.

If you're town and you want to avoid getting mischopped, you need to do more, because you're deep in the PoE.
I'm literally always deep in the POE, or I'm dead. Those are the only two ways things go with me.
The question you should be asking is, am I purposefully misdirecting things or am I just muddling through.
Maybe. You were pretty clear in Syn's game, right up until I began to tinfoil your emotional breakdown right before you were NKed.

I prefer to draw my own conclusions each game without overreliance on meta, personally. Meta changes. It's a baseline, not more.
I wasn't talking about meta though, I was talking about looking through past games and seeing where I sit with regards to being either dead or POE. There are outliers, sure, but generally speaking I'm either townie enough to be a very early kill, or I'm POE till the game is over, or I'm chopped.

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:18 pm
by hollowkatt
Timsup2nothin wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:41 pm
tutuu wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:39 pm
Master Radishes wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:33 pm
tutuu wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:27 pm the marmot cfd was pretty out of the blue and it worked

we have fool proof evidence that flash wagons are incredibly pro-town and probably the best strategy for town to employ much to the demise to a canadian hater girl somewhere out there in the cold

town leaders, do ur magic, i know u can
This might be...watchmacallit...survivor bias? Dunno if that's the right one.

But anyway, flash wagons work for me more often than they don't. People who say they are anti-town (*cough*Alison) simply don't wield the weapon of the flash wagon correctly.
survivor bias is when some of your ww2 planes return home riddled with bullets and u see that they all have bullet holes only in specific areas so the bias is to think that u should fortify those areas that have the holes when in reality the planes who didnt return are the ones who had bullets in the other parts coz they were critical so in reality u should fortify the places on your plane that come back without a scratch on them

i dont know if this translates to flash wagons but its a really cool thing
I don't even care if she is a wolf. For this post alone we are not killing Tutuu. Fite me.
FINE

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:19 pm
by Justplayingitcool
@hollowkatt

Hey, just curious if you read the sloonei case on you and what you made of it?

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:19 pm
by tutuu
Kylemii wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:00 pm Just requesting a headcount, who wants made to get nightyeeted tonight, Vs. who thinks someone else should be eliminated from the PoE via nightyeet, and if so who please. Thanks, love you.
i dont think anybody should and if u have a vig please dont shoot there

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:20 pm
by tutuu
misread

like idk shoot wilgy or nook

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:22 pm
by hollowkatt
Kylemii wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:01 pm please include in the "why" why it's also better to nightyeet them than to dayyeet them
nightyeet me resolves questions around my slot, removes LHF for wolves to push, and sheds light on the people taking a stand on my alignment.

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:27 pm
by hollowkatt
Justplayingitcool wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:19 pm @hollowkatt

Hey, just curious if you read the sloonei case on you and what you made of it?
case seems to be two posts from the Cat ISO, and this one:
Sloonei wrote: Sat Feb 20, 2021 3:51 pm [VOTE: hollowkatt] aubergine

They dropped a Big Salad in here earlier. Cat's interactions with/about Thunal were less than stellar. I vaguely remember being suspicious of Thunal a thousand years ago on Day 1. I don't know what other developments there have been with regards to this slot, but I encourage discussion there.

I have to go to work again. I'll be back to dive into more things later.

The two cat posts are posts where cat was shading Dya for susing Thunal, and also cat wondering why Thunal is a wagon.
Case is basically predicated on associations or interactions that Sloonei sees in Cat posts that don't look good for me. I was expecting a Thunal/HK case in there, not two posts and a follow-up based off of the Cat ISO. Unless I completely missed the case somewhere.

It's a case, I can say that much at least.

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:28 pm
by Syn
Long Con wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:07 pm
Syn wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:02 pm i want tim to shoot me
It just looks so...

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i love this and you

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:35 pm
by Kylemii
I see some good arguments for nanook, and hollowkatt, and also jack. Anyone else?

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:42 pm
by Master Radishes
Oh damn, it's nearly EoD isn't it. I don't think I'll be around for it.

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:43 pm
by Master Radishes
I'm good with 112, Hollowkatt, Nanook, Jack.

I think TSP and Wilgy are cop-outs. Not hard-defending them, just saying those slots are bleh.

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:44 pm
by Master Radishes
hollowkatt wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:59 pm
Master Radishes wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:19 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:18 pm Yeah MYC was robbed but when town plays really well, it’s hard to pick who advances.
Don't get me wrong, I don't know who I could possibly have dropped from the 5 who did make it (4 of us are in this game, I just noticed!).
voting that game was one of the hardest mafia related things i've had to do. So many vv strong players. Glad to have been involved.
Oh damn, and you - you should have advanced too. I get why you didn't (N1 kill etc) but by the letter of what we were voting for you should've too.

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:50 pm
by Justplayingitcool
This EoD feels very anticlimactic compared to D2

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:52 pm
by tutuu


god this is so funny

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:55 pm
by Hyena
Alright, I'm back.

*yawn*

I might keep my vote on TSP a little while longer just to see if it or another wagon overtakes the 112 wagon. I'm gonna go check who left the 112 wagon aside from me because I remember it having 7 people on it after I left it.

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:57 pm
by 112
when i flip, look at everyone who voted for me except nute, who is just misguided

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:57 pm
by Hyena
Oh wait, right. I can't do that as easily as I thought I could. This might take longer than I thought.

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:58 pm
by Jackofhearts2005
TonyStarkPrime wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 4:37 pm Also I've misunderstood the phrase exception that proves the rule for like forever
Yeah tbh unless you’re just hand waving evidence, idk what it means.

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:58 pm
by tutuu
im not too sure about 112 can we like yeet someone else? i can change my vote

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:01 pm
by nutella
Master Radishes wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:43 pm I'm good with 112, Hollowkatt, Nanook, Jack.

I think TSP and Wilgy are cop-outs. Not hard-defending them, just saying those slots are bleh.
👍

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:01 pm
by Jackofhearts2005
Master Radishes wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:43 pm I'm good with 112, Hollowkatt, Nanook, Jack.

I think TSP and Wilgy are cop-outs. Not hard-defending them, just saying those slots are bleh.
You dropped this “and maybe.”

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:02 pm
by nutella
112 wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:57 pm when i flip, look at everyone who voted for me except nute, who is just misguided
:shrug:

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:04 pm
by Justplayingitcool
I think 112 isn't going to be a scum flip

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:04 pm
by Jackofhearts2005
I feel like we should feel more sure on D3 after only hits.

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:05 pm
by Syn
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:04 pm I feel like we should feel more sure on D3 after only hits.
why

marmot was caught by my case on him, which relied on cat analysis and his interactions with the n1 NK

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:07 pm
by Hyena
Okay, it looks like it was seven people BEFORE I left. Those seven, according to Michelle's vote count during the 6am EST hour + Dizzy's vote for 112 at 6:56am, are:

Made, Nute, Kyle, Tutuu, JPIC, Hyena, Dizzy.

There are now 5 people on 112. Those people are:

Made, Kyle, Jack, Nute, Nanook

These are the people who moved votes and who they're voting:
Tutuu is now voting Jack
JPIC is now voting Jack
Dizzy is now voting for Wilgy

Anyway, I'm going back here now.
[VOTE: 112] aubergine

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:07 pm
by 112
Justplayingitcool wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:04 pm I think 112 isn't going to be a scum flip
:srsnod:

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:07 pm
by Jackofhearts2005
Syn wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:05 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:04 pm I feel like we should feel more sure on D3 after only hits.
why

marmot was caught by my case on him, which relied on cat analysis and his interactions with the n1 NK
Because we have more info to work with with two dead wolves.

Okay. :shrug2:

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:07 pm
by Kylemii
who was it that after I pointed out 112's leaving the catwagon said something about wifom, was that jpic?

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:08 pm
by Kylemii
the purple avatar person

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:10 pm
by Justplayingitcool
Kylemii wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:07 pm who was it that after I pointed out 112's leaving the catwagon said something about wifom, was that jpic?
hello

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:10 pm
by falcon45ca
112 wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:57 pm when i flip, look at everyone who voted for me except nute, who is just misguided
Made, hyena, Kylemii, nanook, jack.


Who looks the worst and why? Nanook is just sheeping nut, or so he says

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:10 pm
by Jackofhearts2005
And I’m just unhappy with the other wagons. 🤷🏻‍♂️

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:11 pm
by Jackofhearts2005
Or so I say.

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:13 pm
by falcon45ca
[VOTE: Martin] aubergineI propose a CFD on Martin.


Tally ho!

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:15 pm
by Justplayingitcool
falcon45ca wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:13 pm [VOTE: Martin] aubergineI propose a CFD on Martin.


Tally ho!
I honestly don't hate this

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:15 pm
by Made
falcon45ca wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:13 pm [VOTE: Martin] aubergineI propose a CFD on Martin.


Tally ho!
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Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:15 pm
by Kylemii
[VOTE: martin] aubergine

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:16 pm
by 112
falcon45ca wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:10 pm
112 wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 5:57 pm when i flip, look at everyone who voted for me except nute, who is just misguided
Made, hyena, Kylemii, nanook, jack.


Who looks the worst and why? Nanook is just sheeping nut, or so he says
nanook bcuz he's been sus the whole game

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:16 pm
by Kylemii
Made wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:15 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:13 pm [VOTE: Martin] aubergineI propose a CFD on Martin.


Tally ho!
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wait. explain

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:17 pm
by Jackofhearts2005
Sell me on Martin. I don’t have an opinion on them vs 112.

Re: Game of Champions 2020 [Day 3]

Posted: Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:17 pm
by Made
Kylemii wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:16 pm
Made wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:15 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Sun Feb 21, 2021 6:13 pm [VOTE: Martin] aubergineI propose a CFD on Martin.


Tally ho!
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wait. explain
ehh, i just don't like fire drills