The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:41 pm Alright gang. I know it's annoying, and I know it's token. I feel as though it has to be said though, even on Day 0 after four hours. The game must be active if it is to be balanced; and the civilians must engage if they are to have a reasonable chance. If circumstance has you inclined to take it easy for whatever reason, I get you. I kinda feel that too. We're here though, and I am not inclined to allow the kitties to do whatever they want for the next week plus. Whether you start now or wait for the beginning of Day 1, please ensure the thread does not stagnate. It's not even just of a benefit to the civilians. It's a benefit to the host! Allow DDL's game to blossom as he envisioned.

I cannot facilitate activity as I often would with my present schedule. At least I don't think I can. I will need help. novaselinenever has done well to start to take up that banner. Don't let him be the only one.

Thanks for reading this public service announcement.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:07 pm Jay is town. Don't try lynch him.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:11 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 8:49 pm And give me Tom all day. I could watch T&J for hours when I was a rodent myself.

Hard Agree

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:37 pm Tom & Jerry is the fucking best. Dogs > cats though.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:56 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:45 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:37 pm Tom & Jerry is the fucking best. Dogs > cats though.

Great. Why is JJJ good?

Cause I said so

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:24 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:13 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 12:01 pm I don't feel like explaining my town read on Jay. Nothing scummy about that.

It's not only the lack of expanding but more so your whole entrance. You start with that strong vouch, then when prodded turns to light jokes and icebreakers using the theme and host to pull you through the thread. It's a big mess, and it feels like you weren't sure how to enter the thread and went on with a mix of down to business following the marks of the early gth reads and trying to be 'fun'. It's not natural.

Also why the need to comment "nothing scummy about that"?

I was very sure about how I wanted to enter the thread. The mess was on purpose. I strongly disagree. It's perfectly natural.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:52 pm So here is why Jay is bad. First, these quick and fast reads he's throwing with cat and dog reads feel like an attempt to generate early town cred by coming in hot and strong with all that. The downside with this is that there's no expansion afterward from all that. There's a little reason given to the good Nutella read by I'm not really focused on that one. What I am focused on are the scum reads. They're thrown in there and that's about it. The Mac wolf read came and gone just like that, making it feel like there wasn't any actual thought process into it in the first place and the Turnip vote doesn't even look real. It just got placed in there.

Now my second reason against Jay is with how he's tackling me. He puts me rock bottom in his rainbow with a bright red like I'm strong read but my conversation with him didn't reflect that for me. It feels like he's still trying to decide on how to read me. That doesn't match up with my rainbow placement. The entire feel that I'm getting about him is that he's not wanting to drive. He wants to sit in the back and let someone else drive while he takes a few jabs here and there. Does that make sense?

sprityo wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:57 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:47 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:09 pm Low-key wanna scum read Jay for being tryhard just cause it'd be funny.

That's a turnaround.

Im more of a fan of Roundabout myself

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:52 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:48 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:31 pm The thing you said about a car, see? I think was a joke, see? I also thought it had real function as being incredulous about my “tell me more” bit, see?

Not really. It not "real" in any way other than referencing Grease.

I didn’t even know until right now that you were referencing Grease, despite your gif and “tell me more”.

I’m not the smartest doggo.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:59 pm I think Dragomir’s behavior to this point has been goofy, but not outlandish. When he expanded on his read that I’m no good, I thought he looked pretty genuine. The case may not be “strong”, but that’s not a standard I’m holding any case to at this stage of a Mafia game.

It’s about me so I grant the potential for biases etc. A Dragomir voter and/or accuser should talk about this.

Fayt wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:34 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:36 pm I thought Fayt was part of the recent MU wave but they're not lol

Sup Starlight

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:30 pm We already have something of substance to talk about, people. If you haven't already piped in, I want to know what y'all think of Dragomir or anything related to the conversation surrounding Dragomir.

So for the dragomir thing, I might be late on this because I haven't had a chance to reply until now. There are things I'm unsure of and this is off of first impressions but I do lean scum on him. As reasons stated above but also because of Dragomir not wanting to do first impressions but then jump onto another target (i.e. LC) so he must think of something about LC that strikes him as odd or did he just drop the LC name to get people off of his back.

Secondly, I don't think Dragomir and JJJ are bussing each other. If they are then I'm definitely fooled. If Dragomir turns out to be scum, I find Jay as town and vice versa. However, there is a chance they could both be town but I don't think both would be scum.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:07 am Dom- Good
Dragomir- Bad
Fayt - No opinion Good
JJJ- Fine
Long Con - No opinion
Mac - Good
Michelle - Good
nova - Good
nutella - Good
Rej - I'm going to have to revisit this one.
speedchuck - Conflicting views here. Having met speedchuck in person has made me reevaluate how I consider his posts. I have to think on him too.
sprityo - Who?
TSP - No opinion
Turnip Head - Bad

That's where I am.

Do dogs drink beer? I don't know. Never had one. I'm drinking lots of beer. I had a cat once that drank beer. I'm not making that up. Tunces loved Killian's.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 10:56 pm Can drago and Rej both be bad?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:31 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:07 am Dom- Good
Dragomir- Bad
Fayt - No opinion Good
JJJ- Fine
Long Con - No opinion
Mac - Good
Michelle - Good
nova - Good
nutella - Good
Rej - I'm going to have to revisit this one.
speedchuck - Conflicting views here. Having met speedchuck in person has made me reevaluate how I consider his posts. I have to think on him too. Bad
sprityo - Who?
TSP - No opinion
Turnip Head - Bad

That's where I am.

Do dogs drink beer? I don't know. Never had one. I'm drinking lots of beer. I had a cat once that drank beer. I'm not making that up. Tunces loved Killian's.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:53 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:51 pm I didn't "give up" the last time. I was caught. Doing anything else would have wasted everyone's time. I do not believe in wasting people's time.

If you want something to chew on, how about this: I would not condone the killing of Turnip Head Night 1. I don't kill the ones I've missed so soon.

I know I was just being cheeky haha.

Fair fair. I'll take it under advisement.

Do you think Jay is town?

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:59 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:57 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:53 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:51 pm I didn't "give up" the last time. I was caught. Doing anything else would have wasted everyone's time. I do not believe in wasting people's time.

If you want something to chew on, how about this: I would not condone the killing of Turnip Head Night 1. I don't kill the ones I've missed so soon.

I know I was just being cheeky haha.

Fair fair. I'll take it under advisement.

Do you think Jay is town?

I do, but I have grievances.

Epi's fine.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 8:00 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:57 pm

MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:53 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 7:51 pm I didn't "give up" the last time. I was caught. Doing anything else would have wasted everyone's time. I do not believe in wasting people's time.

If you want something to chew on, how about this: I would not condone the killing of Turnip Head Night 1. I don't kill the ones I've missed so soon.

I know I was just being cheeky haha.

Fair fair. I'll take it under advisement.

Do you think Jay is town?

I do, but I have grievances.

Any different to the ones you always do?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:32 pm At this rate I am frankly inclined to lynch a low poster. I've the most active suspicion of Fayt among them. I hate lynching newcomers on Day 1; I'll do what I think is best though. I feel no obligation to keep sprityo or TSP alive either.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 5:13 pm Long Con dog
Turnip Head cat

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:08 pm nutella
novaselinenever

Epignosis
Long Con
Rej
speedchuck
MacDougall

Fayt
Michelle
sprityo
TonyStarkprime
Turnip Head

Dragomir

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:52 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:48 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:31 pm The thing you said about a car, see? I think was a joke, see? I also thought it had real function as being incredulous about my “tell me more” bit, see?

Not really. It not "real" in any way other than referencing Grease.

I didn’t even know until right now that you were referencing Grease, despite your gif and “tell me more”.

I’m not the smartest doggo.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:48 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 11:19 pm I'll support a Dragomir vote. I was too annoyed earlier to talk about it, but now I am more chill...just to any case made against my Day 0 posts.

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:30 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:58 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 1:55 pm I just felt like doing that.

Ok how about talking about why you felt that way?

>Trying to go with the grain
>Hiding behind off-radar and focusing his attacks on an already suspected target. Similar to the first point.

LC = bad for me. It's only one post. A bit too early to tell if this is the direction that LC is going for the day with. Because of those 2 things, I'm not married to this read, but this is how I feel right now.

My post was an entirely facetious post, following JJJ's demanding line of questioning. Dragomir sees it as an "attack" on him, the "target".

I don't care for this either. Dragomir interpreted a facetious post as not being facetious. Long Con jumps right onto the wagon on that basis. There's not enough deliberation or communication here for my liking. It's just immediate judgment and essentially nothing thereafter.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:31 pm [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:48 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:46 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:44 pm Someone tell me why Long Con is a civilian.

His entrance and D0 were great. He was dancing through the thread lol. Liked the energy and him messing around, felt like someone having fun instead of an anxious scum trying to break the ice with light jokes and fluff to avoid getting down to business and contributing

Is that good enough right now? I mean I liked the dancing puppy gif, but who cares about that?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:01 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:58 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:46 pm Rej, as far as I am concerned your vote is on Dragomir right now. You're exploring ideas and asking questions, but the day is over in less than 40 minutes. Who do you want to lynch?

I have my vote nowhere for exactly such a moment. We can agree on doing the Long Con gamble lynch. Else my lynch would be wasted on others I feel, in a sense that we can't get enough votes maybe.
So my vote on Long Con should be bringing us forward.
[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Gonna take a smoke, gonna check all 5 minute instances.

Why is Long Con a "gamble" lynch any more than whoever? Or the guy you just told me you find suspicious?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:02 pm [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:05 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:03 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:02 pm [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

why that fast move?

I'm never lynching Dragomir today.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:05 pm bleh [VOTE: Rej] aubergine

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:09 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:05 pm I think Fayt is Civ. I like that point about calling me a "gamble". Sounds like subconscious baddie-speak for "It's going to be a Civ lynch".

No.

[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:15 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:15 pm I'll vote Rej.

What is Dragomir's alignment?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:18 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:15 pm I'll vote Rej.

Do you find Rej suspicious?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:09 pm That’s all great, but it’s wrong. I’ll say more when I’ve a computer in front of me.

Fayt wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 9:49 pm Before I go in on this, I do read JJJ and Mac as town. I can't think of a reason why scum would go for a mislynch on me, maybe because it would be "easy." (this isn't the first time I've had the let's gang on the newcomer) but it's a terrible risk once I flip so I'll lay out my thoughts on JJJ's read on me. I would have to dig deeper on the other reads and see what I'm missing. The whole LC wagon still strikes me as odd and felt like someone was trying to save Rej at the end.

I've already talked about Mac's theory of me and Rej's distancing. I failed to see how off of the words "I do lean" vs "I lean" when the topic at hand was responding to JJJ. responses in bold and this color is mine.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 4:37 pm Interactions: Rej and Fayt

Rej

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Rej wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 2:00 am JJJ and Mac look worser than before.
Fayt is ok.
Epi is also ok.

Okay. By this point Fayt had made four posts, two of which were of substance -- this clarifies from a random "ok" read on someone with one empty post or somate.

Thinking he just bandwagoned off of Epi's read off of me or he wanted to have my support.

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Rej wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:40 pm First:

The Dragomir case

Dragomir imho really plays off, I agree once to novas point that Dragomir is basically powering through. Drago comes off a bit offminded (if that's a word). I used so many off's sometimes I could think of an "uff". Drago only dared to counterpush JJJ and even when I placed a vote on JJJ Drago did not try to safe his ass. Some points that make it hard for me to read Drago, and if he is town he often gets himself read easily. That's also why Dragomir sometimes is a good N1 kill if there is no protection around him.

All in all Dragomir feels like he is hiding something, could also be anything tbh. He is unclear to me and indeed partially scummy for my taste.

JaggedJimmyJay
this is my first answer to you and bringing forward my concern about Dragomir to Dragomir, so he can imply these points in his defense.

I also don't know anything about Long Con in this case. Dragomir likes to attack randomly.

About you, I was a bit harsh on you and since I don't know your scumplay I am cautious about everything, but I think we are fine if we decide to move on and expand our reads at that point.


about Mac, I must honestly say he started off as civillian and keeps it. He has a strong opinion and underlines it, even if shortly and he makes it hard to read him deeper, but only on a superficial point of view. He is buddying Fayt against Dragomir and me.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:27 pm

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:21 pm

Fayt wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:34 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:36 pm I thought Fayt was part of the recent MU wave but they're not lol

Sup Starlight

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:30 pm We already have something of substance to talk about, people. If you haven't already piped in, I want to know what y'all think of Dragomir or anything related to the conversation surrounding Dragomir.

So for the dragomir thing, I might be late on this because I haven't had a chance to reply until now. There are things I'm unsure of and this is off of first impressions but I do lean scum on him. As reasons stated above but also because of Dragomir not wanting to do first impressions but then jump onto another target (i.e. LC) so he must think of something about LC that strikes him as odd or did he just drop the LC name to get people off of his back.

Secondly, I don't think Dragomir and JJJ are bussing each other. If they are then I'm definitely fooled. If Dragomir turns out to be scum, I find Jay as town and vice versa. However, there is a chance they could both be town but I don't think both would be scum.

Fake. Super fake. Fayt is bad.

"I do lean scum on him". She is emphasising "I do" as opposed to just "I lean". She is responding someone who does not. There is only one person who has actively said that they do not and that is Rej. This is consequentially distancing of Rej.

The second paragraph spews both Jay and Drago as town.

This for example is literal stuff, like almost philosophy about grammar and it's true meaning behind it. I mean wtf at this point. Maybe I am to noobish for this shit, but I clearly didn't distance myself. I rather tried to engage and find something out for myself.
Like right now. You dissect Fayts wording, at this point it wasn't really needed but you used it to push Dragomir.

Okay either Drago is scum and you did a lucky push against Dragomir, coordinated with Fayt. Or you are scum that really searched for an asspull to push Dragomir and help building a wagon on him.

I don't know what to think because of your generall strong towny appeareance...but I feel there was something off in your play or just very well coordinated.

I think more ISO on Mac is not needed. I wanna look into Dom vs Drago but first I will play Overwatch with a friend. So I will still track you guys until EoD.

Rej posts like this one confuse me even now after his death, so I welcome all interpretations. The first highlight there shows Rej accusing Mac of buddying Fayt -- an accusation which only lands if Fayt is a civilian. This can have the dual function of gaining Fayt's support and lessening the influence of Mac (one of his accusers).

The second highlight instead paints Fayt as a potential coordinator which Mac, based upon some premise that is not readily clear to me. This is likely all spam meant to take the place of reads, and I am not inclined to judge Fayt on the basis of the second thing.

Rej knew I'm a civ and wanted to pit Mac against me. I think he slipped here with his wording, knowing that I am a civilian. He's been trying to set up Mac and despite him saying "Mac and I are interesting."

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Rej wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:01 pm OOOOOOOOOOOH, I didn't knew what "spew" means until I read your explanations below. Omg thanks, now I can read the situation better.
This is my bad and a new interaction I should consider.

As for nutella I don't find any scum tells or scummy approaches by her towards some other player.
Now I think Mac and Fayt are getting more interesting for me.

I can't get more reads at this point as I rely on Sprityo and Michelles reads.

I will look at Long Con and then I looked at everyone.

No need for Dom ISO, that guy looks pretty townish since he became active in the Drago suspicion train.
But I ask myself if @Dom has some other reads, like some read on Mac (bringing back Mac because I think Dom was asked about Mac before and he had no read about him back then).

For the third time, Fayt is mentioned only when tacked alongside Mac. The consistency of this is a bit bothersome to me. A trend emerges in which Rej ties Mac to Fayt, which can be profitable to his team if either of them is lynched (assuming the link is not both of his teammates). If Fayt is lynched and flips mafia, Rej has set up Mac for an accusation. If Mac is lynched and flips civilian, it clears Fayt of this connection. In that regard I see room for trouble.

And when I flip as civilian? It would look bad on Mac. He's been trying to hint Mac or consider Mac for future setup. I feel like if his lynch didn't go through and I end up dead on N1, Mac would be a top suspect.

~~~

Fayt

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Fayt wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 12:21 am English might not be my best suit but I was just only responding to JJJ. It's a bit of a reach to say that I'm distancing from Rej off of that because I said I do lean rather than I lean when both mean the same thing. There's someone else who also said Dragomir is town so it's not just only Rej. As far as Rej is concerned, I have a scum lean on him too.

As for the second paragraph, I'm thinking of possibilities, I still find Dragomir scummy but I could always be wrong.

~snip~

Not too sold on him. Wondered why on the LC name drop then calls me fake without elaborating or explaining why he thinks of LC as bad despite not liking to do first impressions, his trolling seems genuine but his defense afterwards felt weak to me and he held a soft defense on Rej and vice versa.

Mac may have made a pretty brilliant catch here. Mac had asserted, based upon a somewhat ~out there~ (at least by surface appearance), that Fayt had distanced herself from Rej in her language against Dragomir. Then when faced with this accusation, she rejected the assertion and the logic underlying it -- but still voiced suspicion of Rej. Highlighted.

Then view the next portion, from the same post. Fayt gave Dragomir more crap, and in the process they insinuated that he and Rej had been soft-defending one another. They forced a link between the two, and it smells like a setup to me.

Already talked about the distancing thing. I had suspicions on both Dragomir and Rej as teammates. They didn't want to vote on each other, Dragomir held a soft defense here

Dragomir wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 8:20 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 7:18 pm Drago is town

Rej is cat. "I don't understand the case" is scumtell sometimes

Super weak reason against one. "I don't understand the case" is not at all alignment indicative and can be said by anyone regardless of alignment. Like how could you use that as a scum tell? I don't get it.

and we already saw Rej's defense on Dragomir, it seemed suspicious which is why I called it out earlier. They barely interacted with each other until the very end and Rej didn't even place a vote on him despite pointing the finger back at him.

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Fayt wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 1:36 pm After seeing this as his town play under pressure, I feel the case for Dragomir as scum is weaker in my head. That said, I would put him more for neutral for now. I'm not entirely too sure what dragomir is saying about having something extra for LC that's not info.

As the case for Rej, I'm not liking the no vote when he has a couple of suspects. He wants us to go back to Dragomir but doesn't want to place the vote himself. I'm not sure what to make of that.

What does "spewed" mean? nutella

Fayt wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 4:04 pm

Rej wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:58 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:46 pm Rej, as far as I am concerned your vote is on Dragomir right now. You're exploring ideas and asking questions, but the day is over in less than 40 minutes. Who do you want to lynch?

I have my vote nowhere for exactly such a moment. We can agree on doing the Long Con gamble lynch. Else my lynch would be wasted on others I feel, in a sense that we can't get enough votes maybe.
So my vote on Long Con should be bringing us forward.
[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Gonna take a smoke, gonna check all 5 minute instances.

Why not Dragomir? You had a case for him more than Long Con and you call it a gamble for LC so that means you're unsure of him right?

[VOTE: Rej] aubergine

This is, to be fair, valid. The vote came 18 minutes prior to the deadline however, so I'm inclined to temper any credit. By this point if there's to be a bus then the decision has been made.

Already explained this earlier. It's not a bus, everything solidified my vote on him.

~~~

Conclusion: I think there's a compelling argument that Fayt is Rej's teammate.
I'm a doge

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:41 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:34 pm I will say that my initial instinct coming into this Day 2 was to vote again for Dragomir. I still have grievances there.

Why?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:44 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:30 pm I'm not going to cut quote tags. I can't be bothered. What I want to to talk about is in pink.

"The vote came 18 minutes prior to the deadline however, so I'm inclined to temper any credit. By this point if there's to be a bus then the decision has been made."

First, Fayt gave great reasons for the vote against Rej.

Second, in my experience, the decision to bus a teammate happens early, not late. I think JJJ knows this. When I've been bad, I have had to lecture my teammates that "Guys, you know you need to lynch civilians and not one another to win, right?" I witness mafia members trying to grab credibility time after time early on before anybody can accuse them of exactly this.

Third, I don't see civilian JJJ going after a new person who lynched a mafioso Day 1.

That's horseshit.

That is definitely not my experience. Bussing tends to be a disjointed and frantic thing in many cases -- not all, but many. That's especially true for bussing that works. There have been instances where I have tried to coordinate a bus that I expect to fail earlier on, when I think I can assert the necessary control over matters. Generally though I don't agree with you. You're unique in the mafia-aligned arena I think and your experiences follow.

We've seen 900 Mafia games on The Syndicate in 2019 in which a mafioso has been lynched on Day 1. The civilians then lose the damned game, because they don't pay attention to bussers or they give someone a break for crappy reasons. There's a good chance someone on that Rej wagon was a teammate of Rej. I'd be surprised if not. Fayt is a candidate, and I don't think their "newness" is important with respect to a vote that comes when the day is about to end. All it takes is Rej saying in BTSC "go ahead and off me, it's for the best". It's not horseshit, it's responsible.

Fayt may be a civilian. I'll have to fully review and consider everything they've said today. You need to read my "essays" though, all of them, to see where my mindset is with all of these votes and all of these people.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:46 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:39 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Oct 15, 2019 3:32 pm At this rate I am frankly inclined to lynch a low poster. I've the most active suspicion of Fayt among them. I hate lynching newcomers on Day 1; I'll do what I think is best though. I feel no obligation to keep sprityo or TSP alive either.

Yikes.

I had no confidence in the predominant wagons of the day, the thread wasn't moving especially fast, and I wanted an alternative. I viewed the low post pile as worth considering. If you don't buy it oh well.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:54 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:43 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:41 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 10:34 pm I will say that my initial instinct coming into this Day 2 was to vote again for Dragomir. I still have grievances there.

Why?

Because I still have grievances there. Damn can't you read?

What are those grievances? I'm interested. I had earlier grievances with his initial entrance and the stubbornness that led to you activated my trap card moment, but I've been reconsidering that since he opened up with his LC suspicion. There is also Rej's handling of him and his bold defense of Rej that makes him look good.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:08 pm Dom's hunting effort to this point is comprised entirely of this:

Giving Dragomir a bunch of shit.

Giving Rej a little bit of shit.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2019 11:11 pm Epi, I'd be interested in your take on nutella -- whenever you get there.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 13, 2019 9:22 pm I have a take on nutella: civilian.