The Syndicate

Hey dudes. I hear we got a game goin' here! Sorry I'm late to the party.

Anyone do anything suspicious yet?

I miss my red name. Maybe it's green because I'm very Civ?

Ok, caught up from where I entered/last posted. IT's going to take my mind a couple of days to get involved, I think. I feel rusty right now. I have a couple of folks that I think are Civ, so I won't vote for them.

I do like JJJ's thoughts on Mac, and I'm going to vote for him. I also like the Mac-juliets connection with the "fake-sounding" light-green Skittle post.

[VOTE: Mac] aubergine

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:18 pm Ok I'm tired of all this. I am basically a stump. If I get killed in the night by the mafia I can't vote anymore but I can continue to post. If I'm lynched I'm dead.

*sits on comfy Juliets stump*

Mac hasn't even been here to respond to JJJ's accusation. That is unfortunate.

If there's a busser, I'm not it. I thought I got on the Mac suspicion before it really took off... I guess that would be the ideal way to bus, but I don't think I would dare to take out a Mac-teammate that hard, especially when he's not even around to give me the go-ahead.

Although Mac DID mention me as a loose "I'd lynch Long Con out of these four non-posters" which actually looks pretty bad for me.

But seriously, I am Civ.

I didn't know how involved juliets was - I just agreed that the post you quoted sounded fake.

RIP nutella. I will try to devote some time on this second night to a little reread and analysis.

Ugh. Here's the thing. Jack is bad.

So, knowing Jack is bad, I just think back to these posts:

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:44 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:41 pm But really though how can niju not be bad
Cause Juliets/Jay/Jack/Mac has a nicer ring to it.

Niju only makes sense with Juliets like Ninjuliets and that’s a better hydra name anyhow.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:22 pm MacDougall and Jackofhearts2005

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 7:54 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:05 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:32 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:26 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:10 am Yay I love tearing apart silly "fishing for reaction" day 0 arguments.

Yet here you are with zero reads. What have you accomplished?
What is this, a job interview?

I don't have to accomplish shit.
This feels fake and reinforces DDL/Jay not w/w.
I felt quite the opposite to this Jack. It's a perfectly natural reaction from DDL to Jay spew.

Mac gave Jack shit about his DDL read. This doesn't mean much to me.

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 7:57 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 2:21 pm Current gut read after having caught up

Jack - bad
Jay - bad
Dunya - Town
Luna - Town
Mata - Town
Nova - Town
Juliets - slight bad lean
Speed - Town
Nutella - rude

Everyone else is null.
I'd like to hear more about your Jay and Jack suspicions.

Generic prod about Jack and I. This doesn't mean much to me.

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:37 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:05 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:32 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:26 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:10 am Yay I love tearing apart silly "fishing for reaction" day 0 arguments.

Yet here you are with zero reads. What have you accomplished?
What is this, a job interview?

I don't have to accomplish shit.
This feels fake and reinforces DDL/Jay not w/w.
Looping back around on this one I questioned before, I got the distinctly opposite impression from reading that DDL post. It's exactly how I would have felt. Don't like that we're not on the same page in this game Jack. My face has scrunched up in confusion from several of your posts.

Mac brought this out again. He's clearly shading Jack. It isn't substantial pressure. I'm not moved.

Mac sticks Jack in the red pile in his rainbow -- this seems extreme given the soft accusations preceding it. I think Mac felt like he needed another red and just figured Jack was the best fit. That's decent for Jack. Mac griped about anime gifs too as if that matters.

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:27 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 11:18 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 2:06 am
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 2:04 am
juliets wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:28 pm Hahahaha - will nova and Mac be on the same side? Will they both win or lose? OR will one of them move ahead in the only game that counts?
Does Juliets know the answers to some of these questions?
OOOOooof sPiCy

Any major dude will tell you
Does anyone think that nutella found this to be spicy?
I mean if Juliets knows one of them will win, she knows Mac and Nova aren’t the same alignment. That would make her mafia and since the accusation comes from Nova, Mac mafia as well.

Saying Mac and Juliets have w/w equity right out of the gate is pretty spicy imo.

Jack thinks juliets/Mac is spicy but doesn't necessarily agree with it.

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:41 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:35 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 3:31 pm We weren’t talking about Juliets. We were talking about Nutella’s reaction to Nova talking about Juliets.
I'm talking about how other people view a dialogue, not its literal nature. There's often a stark difference.
And I’m talking about Daisy being sensitive to discussion about Juliets to the point where she’s scumreading stuff that isn’t even about Juliets, stuff that is explicitly as much about Mac and she didn’t even mention Mac.

Jack is cranky that Spacedaisy didn't mention Mac and ties that into his theory about her and juliets. I think Mac is an incidental piece here and not meaningful. There's a bunch of other shit about this that I am not going to include.

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:20 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:37 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:05 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:32 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:26 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:10 am Yay I love tearing apart silly "fishing for reaction" day 0 arguments.

Yet here you are with zero reads. What have you accomplished?
What is this, a job interview?

I don't have to accomplish shit.
This feels fake and reinforces DDL/Jay not w/w.
Looping back around on this one I questioned before, I got the distinctly opposite impression from reading that DDL post. It's exactly how I would have felt. Don't like that we're not on the same page in this game Jack. My face has scrunched up in confusion from several of your posts.
If it makes you feel better, I’ve liked most of DDL’s posts since then.

Jack's response to Mac's gripe was weak, so it's a soft exchange on both sides. That's not my favorite thing. More

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:31 am
dunya wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 10:30 am [VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

why would town mac give dunya an easy day green pass just because she hasn't said something "scummy"? other people have found things scummy in what i've said. i don't feel you're being genuine and the sarcasm on me was lost.

i'm not even here to play my hardest civ game, so don't tell me my "civ" is shining through. explain what gave you good vibes about me or this becomes as bad as elohcin's "green" to luna that everyone took issue with imo.
“Mac’s not getting lynched today.”

Oh?

Jack questions whether one of my beefs with Mac is spicy -- okay

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:23 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:18 pm The reason I ask is this:

When there is a highly active Day 1, and a variety of reads/wagons/initiatives are revolving around the discussion without a good inspiration for confidence (I think we're close to that now), lynching a less-active player is usually a good idea. As it stands my strongest suspicion is on MacDougall. I acknowledge that it isn't rock solid shite, but I haven't seen a single rock solid case in this thread yet. Refer to the last 25% of the video in my signature for more information.
Are you classifying Mac as less active?

This is a bit defensive implicitly.

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:24 pm Go on and vote Mac, Daisy.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:27 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:25 pm I have not felt Mac was bad. Like at all. I’d be more inclined to vote nutella, but I don’t see good reason for that either except for jumping on nova’s joke which I didn’t think she was serious about originally.
*scribbles aggressively*

This might be a nice moment. I don't care much that Jack challenged Daisy to vote Mac specifically, but rather that it seems to me that Jack's focus genuinely is on Daisy -- this would indicate he isn't as concerned with Mac's demise as he is with Daisy's activity (not the case if he's Mac's teammate).

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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:44 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:43 pm Last chance for me: who will vote Neverwhere?
Over Mac and Nutella? Yeah.

I don't really care that Jack moved his vote with me here. It was never likely to result in a lynch; it was a last-second why-not thing.

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Conclusion: It's a dirty record at times with Jack. It seems like it always is. He plays in a manner which inherently attracts dirt, to his credit. He should answer to the gripes that exist here. Gun to my head, he's not Mac's teammate.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:42 pm MacDougall and juliets

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 6:42 pm I am trying to make heads or tails of this mac juliets weirdness and nope.

If the weirdness was true I'd expect more dissociative effort than this.

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 7:39 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 7:09 pm Mac, any reads you have to share would be appreciated.

k

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:44 am I like juliets. I feel like she is involved more so than usual. I am not entirely sure why that would be but I don't think it is in a bad way and I don't really want to discourage it. I'd give her a light green skittle (if I had skittles to give).

This read was more transparently fake, because it was based on a non-existent observation -- that juliets was "more involved than usual". I think Mac had established an agenda for pocketing in this game, so this could be another example. I can't say I care for the overt fakeness though.

The read was only worth a light green in the rainbow list. Fart.

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juliets wrote: ↑Sat Apr 20, 2019 8:28 pm Hahahaha - will nova and Mac be on the same side? Will they both win or lose? OR will one of them move ahead in the only game that counts?

SPICY.

I don't care about this.

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juliets wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:27 pm Jay, what is the reason you think Mac hasn't given a definitive read on you? I'm trying to see how that makes him potentially bad.

lots of linki

juliets sought better understanding of my suspicion of Mac. I have no beef with that.

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juliets wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 3:04 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:46 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 2:42 pm What isn't genuine about his civilian reads? The DDL one was something prompted from their interactions, and felt like natural conversation especially considering its context (The Firefly game).
He wrote a novella to explain why he read DDL as a civilian. I don't believe that was necessary, and I don't believe that's how MacDougall operates. He was similar in his handling of dunya. He technically called me light green, but I haven't the faintest idea why -- his read on me doesn't exist. He said he liked juliets because she is "more involved than usual" (no she isn't?). He loved Kites for his big reads post, which is such an easy thing to say.

Bleh.
Ok here's what I see. I initially liked his posts about DDL and I really liked his reads wall (even tho I didn't agree with everything) because he was explaining why he had the reads he did. Looking back over it though what strikes me is he never does this. He usually just throws out reads with no backup whatsoever and when people question him he ignores it or responds negatively. But is this indicative of a bad Mac or just a style change? I need to look at a bad Mac game, anyone know a recent one?

lots of linki

This post follows a rather typical formula that is sometimes ugly:

I liked _____ before, but now I will say something in support of your suspicion of _____

At face value I don't care for that. I do appreciate though that juliets's gripe was unique to her: that Mac's reads list was plain off-meta regardless of authenticity.

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Conclusion: I think a case can be made against juliets. I don't really want to though. I don't struggle to separate her from Mac and the claim remains (I believe her).

So does Jack have a big enough ego to post his team out in the open to laugh away the WIFOM, or does Jack try to plant a seed for deception with an attempt to drag down two well-regarded non-baddies? 'Cuz Juliets/Jay/Jack/Mac looks believable based on my initial musings, but what would further research show? Did JJJ trigger juliets' stump claim? If so, was that part of a cool plan?

Hopefully after tonight I'll glean more from a nice reread.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:37 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:58 pm Ugh. Here's the thing. Jack is bad.

So, knowing Jack is bad, I just think back to these posts:

Hopefully after tonight I'll glean more from a nice reread.
Please clarify this for me. How do we know Jack is bad? Did I miss something? Or are you just saying what you feel certain about?

The water turned to cherry wine. Two nights. That means Jack is bad.

LOL

Ask Steely Dan what it means.

It means two nights; Jack bad.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:50 am
Matahari wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:47 pm Things I’d like to know, but think it’s against rules to ask:

So far the roles we’ve seen have a Steely Dan song title. I’m trying to figure out which song titles match the current role claims.
I don't see that my role name matches my role description - maybe I'm missing something though. I could share my role name unless people think it's better I hold back in case someone else claims it.

I think that the title-role connections are tenuous at best.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:30 am @Long Con You a cop?

More or less

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 9:14 am @Long Con would you say you are 100% sure Jack is bad?

Yes.

Nah, I was checking in from a patio with wings and a beer, and the sunshine made it too hard to keep reading my phone, so I put it away.

You're not supposed to be able to see me anyway, because I'm invisible... but half the site regulars are mods of some sort with super powers, so that's fine.

Jack is scrambling to throw a bunch of fake news at you, but don't be fooled. If he were Civ, then we'd be having two days in a row instead. The end.

You got it, bro.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:53 pm Wait, mods can see you when you're invisible?

If the silver turns to gold, two days in a row.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:57 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:52 pm You got it, bro.
So...you made us skip the day phase and this is somehow my fault?

Nahnah. I'm the good guy here.

Sorry Jack. You shouldn't have made me distrust you. I didn't like your involvement in the Mac lynch.

I'm permanently invisible; have been for years.

Go back to after I voted Mac and see the things you said. That involvement. That made me suspect you.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:15 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:05 pm Jack is saying LC is just straight up lying and isn't paying any heed to alternative possibilities. Bad.
I mean, misdirection is always possible but LC said he was 100% sure. That's why I think he's straight up lying.

Of course you're right, misdirections exist. So nothing can be 100%. How about, barring someone messing with my role in some way, I'm 100% sure that you're bad. Is that better?

Are there one-shot roles in this game?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:45 pm I'd like to kindly point out that skipping day phases is not a frigging town aligned power.

It's the price we pay for me to root out the evil.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:29 pm I have no clue what that was all about. Has Jack been red peeked?

Yeppers!

I'm gonna [VOTE: Jack] aubergine at this time in case I end up on some unexpected epic adventure tomorrow and can't get online.

Jay did introduce the claiming idea very shortly before Juliets claimed a role that is "not bad, don't lynch, nk is fine"... that's the literal definition of her supposed role.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:15 pm Everyone should also be mindful that this is a claim-friendly game. That doesn't mean you need to blab for no reason, but it does mean that you should keep the option in your tool belt. I would hate to see a needless lynch that could be prevented by a sound claim.

The concern would be the recent advent of soup-killing. Epi's rules do not mention such a thing (doesn't mean it doesn't exist), but it's also never something he has done before. Who knows.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:16 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:09 pm juliets I need you to talk with me. I am very nearly out of time, and I will have no control over what happens in here after class starts.
Jay sorry I was doing something else. I think Daisy's reason for voting me is shit but I think it's because she has not played with me as much recently. I think Jack's theory about Daisy is shit because it's clear as day she wan't defending me. I think Daisy is town, I think Jack is bad. I've forgotten who the other person is you asked for my read on.

linki

Distancing from Jack, buddying with Civ Daisy. I don't like the vulgarity and it could be frustrated baddie coming through. I dunno. That's a bit tunnelly, but it's what I thought when I read it.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 4:18 pm Ok I'm tired of all this. I am basically a stump. If I get killed in the night by the mafia I can't vote anymore but I can continue to post. If I'm lynched I'm dead.

I still believe in Mac and the J-Squad.

I can even believe in a baddie chat that lost Mac and rallied as "the J-Squad YEAH" and that graphic was just too good to keep in the baddie chat so it was worked into the thread as visual WIFOM.

Also, was it Jack who was trying to turn it around on me back there, and he said something about me checking Discord? I've never used Discord in my baddie chats, but one thing I do know is that Juliets is possibly the most frequent Discord user on the site. That was a little slip from Jack.

Exactly.

Juliet's response was not very impressive to me, I don't believe that she has a lack of understanding about my Discord Theory. I also don't believe she has a lack of understanding of how distancing from and accusing a teammate when you think you're getting lynched is a smart thing to do.

Jack's right - he said "Chatzy" and somehow my memory changed it to "Discord". My bad.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:12 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:12 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:37 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:58 pm Ugh. Here's the thing. Jack is bad.

So, knowing Jack is bad, I just think back to these posts:

Hopefully after tonight I'll glean more from a nice reread.
Please clarify this for me. How do we know Jack is bad? Did I miss something? Or are you just saying what you feel certain about?
The water turned to cherry wine. Two nights. That means Jack is bad.
Dafuck is this?

I'm not bad and I can prove it.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:50 pm I can freaking prove my ability as soon as the day starts.

Jack, the day started.

Civ

Civ

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:27 pm I'm here and nobody is taking my posts seriously except for telling me I'm bad so I'll going to roast the posts that you guys are making.

No prob, I'm so roastable most of the time. The Discord tell would have been a sweet one, though.

Mafia
Deep Wolf
Angel

Phew, Jack was bad... I was making all that up!

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 9:44 pm rez plz

miss you boo

What's an x-shot?

What's the nature of nova's insanity?

I haven't been hit with that power, in answer to that question earlier. What is Nova quoting, some Steely Dan song?

JJJ, speedchuck

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 28, 2019 8:08 pm Time to fight for the survival of Winterfell wif me mates

Sweet dagger-drop.

Posting curses: more likely a baddie role generally.

Person who has been pushing the idea that roles and alignment are, in this game, definitely completely separate: JJJ

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

I was being coy, but the fact that I haven't come forth with anything else becomes more apparent each day. It was a one-shot ability... it really had to be, or I'd be making double-days or double-nights every phase.

I'll [VOTE: leetic] aubergine because POE, and sub request, and so on...

RIP Dragomir, I hardly knew ye.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 3:37 pmThis is funny to me because in my tinfoiliest mind LC could be bad. LC is a gambit guy and what better, more brilliant gambit than to bus Jack with a made up role (I mean the role is really weird you have to admit) and ride the wave of being mechanically cleared until the end. Now, do I believe that happened? No, but it's still an idea that creeps up on me when I'm considering people.

One important factor is that no one else came forward with a reason for two nights in a row. Although I guess that it could have been a thing where my baddie teammate uses their ability to make two nights to give me some extra oomph... I would love to pull a gambit like that. Though that baddie teammate dying would reveal me. But the truth is, sadly, WYSIWYG.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 8:40 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 12:27 pm
Kites wrote: ↑Wed May 01, 2019 3:00 am I was also very confused at first reading people celebrating a civ lynch lol

At first? When did you come in the thread?
This is a good catch...

Why is this a good catch? When I first came to the thread, the host post was already corrected, and I saw Juliets' comment about how it was the unfortunate right thing to do, or something... I was confused as well.

Some confusing stuff today, but I'm going to do what I decided to back when speedchuck first said she's bad, and [VOTE: Luna] aubergine.

Should I vote DDL then? For the numbers toward the lie detect? But he asked us specifically to not do this.

Ok, but voting DDL means Luna gets a lie-detect. Right?

juliets wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 9:15 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu May 02, 2019 9:06 pm Ok, but voting DDL means Luna gets a lie-detect. Right?
No. She evidently did not count on you voting at all.

That's strange, I'm pretty sure I've voted in every lynch poll so far.

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