The Syndicate

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 5:03 pm I have an awesome awesome house of players!

I think the first book was my favorite because everything was new and unique. And truth be told I never got around to reading or seeing the last couple of books/films (I know, I should). So now I just have to look up which book was first (its been a long time).

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:24 pm Oh, by the way, I checked Turnip Head and he is bad.

Voting Turnip Head.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 6:51 pm so who's mafia other than glorfindel and karavalenge

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 8:59 pm Lynching anybody Day 1 always feels bad and everyone seems so happy to be here. Soneji almost never shows up to play so I'ma vote there for now.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:01 pm Yeah I've gotta be real with yall unless somebody outright fucks up and slips or somebody builds a damn good case, I'll probably default to a no-show as well.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:10 pm I'm going to have essentially zero time until Tuesday night or Wednesday. While I'm not here y'all best find excuses to do work and not excuses to do fuck all. Epi's recent grumbles are valid.

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine, because he said some shit I didn't like earlier. He provided a token response to Epi's dig at juliets which just looked like "this is where I am supposed to interject with this here comment" instead of "this is a problem and I want to address it".

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:35 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:29 pm juliets and I are not teammates.

There. Go. Find bad guys.

so you know you're on different teams

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:19 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:15 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:01 pm Yeah I've gotta be real with yall unless somebody outright fucks up and slips or somebody builds a damn good case, I'll probably default to a no-show as well.

The funny thing with this game is we might get some magnificent ties. Because if you're on a townie lynch that goes through, your house looses 2 points. So especially on day 1 if I don't have a good scum read, I would rather be a single vote on someone who's not going to die.

Oh good someone already fucked up. Thanks Luna :P

speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:23 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:19 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:15 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:01 pm Yeah I've gotta be real with yall unless somebody outright fucks up and slips or somebody builds a damn good case, I'll probably default to a no-show as well.

The funny thing with this game is we might get some magnificent ties. Because if you're on a townie lynch that goes through, your house looses 2 points. So especially on day 1 if I don't have a good scum read, I would rather be a single vote on someone who's not going to die.

Oh good someone already fucked up. Thanks Luna :P

I'd rather tank the house points and be the last person to dogpile on any given lynch. For reasons.

If anyone else thinks like me, the EOD is gonna be like

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:54 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:49 pm I feel different than I did in the game you scum read me, but you scum read me in this game as well.

Yay!! You actually understood me. That is correct.

Yes, it might be weird to some, but I guess I'm waiting for you to do something to prove me wrong. I can't explain what that is, but I'll know it when I see it...if it even happens though, which it might not.

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:00 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:21 pm

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JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:10 pm I'm going to have essentially zero time until Tuesday night or Wednesday. While I'm not here y'all best find excuses to do work and not excuses to do fuck all. Epi's recent grumbles are valid.

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine, because he said some shit I didn't like earlier. He provided a token response to Epi's dig at juliets which just looked like "this is where I am supposed to interject with this here comment" instead of "this is a problem and I want to address it".

This is the post in question:

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:35 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:29 pm juliets and I are not teammates.

There. Go. Find bad guys.

so you know you're on different teams

I don't know about anyone else, but I wouldn't have read anything at all into Quin saying that, and the fact that Jay did is a little weird.

Agree

nutella wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 11:49 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:21 am

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Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:54 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:49 pm I feel different than I did in the game you scum read me, but you scum read me in this game as well.

Yay!! You actually understood me. That is correct.

Yes, it might be weird to some, but I guess I'm waiting for you to do something to prove me wrong. I can't explain what that is, but I'll know it when I see it...if it even happens though, which it might not.

Pretty sure Owner is town.

mmm I guess I agree looking at that post again

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:20 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:15 pm

karavalenge wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:13 pm No, that's an awful waste of a 1-shot ability to tell the truth, just to get the same info as a regular ability (Divination).

What else would you use veriseritaum for? I'm not disagreeing, but did you have something in mind?

Use it on Epi's statement to catch two baddies: Epi and Juliets Just an example of how to extend such a power, I guess. I think it would be really hard to beef it up past the 'alignment check' level, but we could try to craft some complex-logic statements that would reveal more.

I'm not on a baddie team with Dharmahalper, Juliets, Epignosis, karavalenge, or speedchuck. There are probably better ways. Still tough to choose just one great statement if we all start lining them up. I think it's more fun to let the lie detector search natural conversation to find their choice.

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:21 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 5:17 pm "Not all Slytherin's are Dark Wizards, but every Dark Wizard has been a Slytherin"

Wormtail was a Gryffindor.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 1:01 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 12:59 pm Still want to lynch 3J, but Owner isn’t a bad call either.

Which posts changed your mind?

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:58 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:31 pm I suspect these people: JJJ, TH, DH, and timmer in no particular order.

Enlighten me about the JJJ read.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:32 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:31 pm This sounds like a bullshit act to me.

Which part? And who?

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:39 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:34 pm
I think you're trying to set DH up.

A lot of his posts read scummy to me. Maybe, he'll improve tomorrow, but so far, I don't see it.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:35 pm
That was a joke.

Or was it.

Hmm. You really aren't helping your case. But then again, I can be pretty annoying too.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:23 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:19 pm

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:11 pm
I respect you, but that doesn't mean I'll stop being critical of you.

Seems like you're constantly and exclusively critical of me, but hell I've got pretty thick skin I'll be fine. Anyway good luck with that I guess.

JJJ seems alright. I want to look at Quin. Epi is null. Speedy, I'm slightly worried about.

I think yourself, JJJ, nova, and poutanko are the players I feel like I might have some meta on.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:05 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:01 pm @Owner of a Lonely Heart ...my avatar is Luna Lovegood. Who was a Ravenclaw.

Yeah, so what? You think that excludes you when 4 people are voting for me when I'm a Hufflepuff?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 9:11 pm

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Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:44 pm gut read: Epi and Owner are scum mates

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:58 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:31 pm I suspect these people: JJJ, TH, DH, and timmer in no particular order.

Enlighten me about the JJJ read.

Engages with Epi in his player salad post.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:32 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:31 pm This sounds like a bullshit act to me.

Which part? And who?

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:39 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:34 pm
I think you're trying to set DH up.

A lot of his posts read scummy to me. Maybe, he'll improve tomorrow, but so far, I don't see it.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:35 pm
That was a joke.

Or was it.

Hmm. You really aren't helping your case. But then again, I can be pretty annoying too.

Epi tries to distance himself from Owner

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:23 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:19 pm

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:11 pm
I respect you, but that doesn't mean I'll stop being critical of you.

Seems like you're constantly and exclusively critical of me, but hell I've got pretty thick skin I'll be fine. Anyway good luck with that I guess.

JJJ seems alright. I want to look at Quin. Epi is null. Speedy, I'm slightly worried about.

I think yourself, JJJ, nova, and poutanko are the players I feel like I might have some meta on.

Owner produces their own player salad post and lists Epi as "null"

If Owner had three or four or five or six votes (I think I heard all of these numbers) around the time this post was made, ask yourself what its purpose was.

The language of this post doesn't suggest "gut" at all, but rather is assertive and sure of itself in a way that doesn't ring true with respect to mere intuition.

"Engages with Epi in his player salad post."

I suppose in this day and age if you name more than two people as suspects, you are guilty of making a "salad" or some nonsense such as that. I named my four top suspects at the time. I ask you, is there a way I can do that without someone being able to characterize it as a "salad?"

"Epi tries to distance himself from Owner"

The biggest issue I have with this particular comment is its circularity: It assumes the conclusion it aims to support is true, which is the only way the premise can be true. This suggests to me that Lunalee is less interested in figuring out if I'm bad or not and more interested in making it look like I am bad should Owner be lynched and be revealed as bad.

" Owner produces their own player salad post and lists Epi as "null""

And? What about it?

I submit that when it appeared likely that Owner was on the way out the door, Lunalee used one of my own favorite mafia tricks in the book: Getting a preemptive start on the next Day.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 9:11 pm

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Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:44 pm gut read: Epi and Owner are scum mates

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:58 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:31 pm I suspect these people: JJJ, TH, DH, and timmer in no particular order.

Enlighten me about the JJJ read.

Engages with Epi in his player salad post.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:32 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:31 pm This sounds like a bullshit act to me.

Which part? And who?

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:39 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:34 pm
I think you're trying to set DH up.

A lot of his posts read scummy to me. Maybe, he'll improve tomorrow, but so far, I don't see it.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:35 pm
That was a joke.

Or was it.

Hmm. You really aren't helping your case. But then again, I can be pretty annoying too.

Epi tries to distance himself from Owner

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:23 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:19 pm

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:11 pm
I respect you, but that doesn't mean I'll stop being critical of you.

Seems like you're constantly and exclusively critical of me, but hell I've got pretty thick skin I'll be fine. Anyway good luck with that I guess.

JJJ seems alright. I want to look at Quin. Epi is null. Speedy, I'm slightly worried about.

I think yourself, JJJ, nova, and poutanko are the players I feel like I might have some meta on.

Owner produces their own player salad post and lists Epi as "null"

If Owner had three or four or five or six votes (I think I heard all of these numbers) around the time this post was made, ask yourself what its purpose was.

The language of this post doesn't suggest "gut" at all, but rather is assertive and sure of itself in a way that doesn't ring true with respect to mere intuition.

"Engages with Epi in his player salad post."

I suppose in this day and age if you name more than two people as suspects, you are guilty of making a "salad" or some nonsense such as that. I named my four top suspects at the time. I ask you, is there a way I can do that without someone being able to characterize it as a "salad?"

"Epi tries to distance himself from Owner"

The biggest issue I have with this particular comment is its circularity: It assumes the conclusion it aims to support is true, which is the only way the premise can be true. This suggests to me that Lunalee is less interested in figuring out if I'm bad or not and more interested in making it look like I am bad should Owner be lynched and be revealed as bad.

" Owner produces their own player salad post and lists Epi as "null""

And? What about it?

I submit that when it appeared likely that Owner was on the way out the door, Lunalee used one of my own favorite mafia tricks in the book: Getting a preemptive start on the next Day.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 5:35 pm Y- ... yay?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 9:53 pm

Spoiler: show

Lunalee wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:06 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 9:11 pm

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Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:44 pm gut read: Epi and Owner are scum mates

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:58 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:31 pm I suspect these people: JJJ, TH, DH, and timmer in no particular order.

Enlighten me about the JJJ read.

Engages with Epi in his player salad post.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:32 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:31 pm This sounds like a bullshit act to me.

Which part? And who?

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:39 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:34 pm
I think you're trying to set DH up.

A lot of his posts read scummy to me. Maybe, he'll improve tomorrow, but so far, I don't see it.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:35 pm
That was a joke.

Or was it.

Hmm. You really aren't helping your case. But then again, I can be pretty annoying too.

Epi tries to distance himself from Owner

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:23 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:19 pm

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:11 pm
I respect you, but that doesn't mean I'll stop being critical of you.

Seems like you're constantly and exclusively critical of me, but hell I've got pretty thick skin I'll be fine. Anyway good luck with that I guess.

JJJ seems alright. I want to look at Quin. Epi is null. Speedy, I'm slightly worried about.

I think yourself, JJJ, nova, and poutanko are the players I feel like I might have some meta on.

Owner produces their own player salad post and lists Epi as "null"

If Owner had three or four or five or six votes (I think I heard all of these numbers) around the time this post was made, ask yourself what its purpose was.

The language of this post doesn't suggest "gut" at all, but rather is assertive and sure of itself in a way that doesn't ring true with respect to mere intuition.

"Engages with Epi in his player salad post."

I suppose in this day and age if you name more than two people as suspects, you are guilty of making a "salad" or some nonsense such as that. I named my four top suspects at the time. I ask you, is there a way I can do that without someone being able to characterize it as a "salad?"

"Epi tries to distance himself from Owner"

The biggest issue I have with this particular comment is its circularity: It assumes the conclusion it aims to support is true, which is the only way the premise can be true. This suggests to me that Lunalee is less interested in figuring out if I'm bad or not and more interested in making it look like I am bad should Owner be lynched and be revealed as bad.

" Owner produces their own player salad post and lists Epi as "null""

And? What about it?

I submit that when it appeared likely that Owner was on the way out the door, Lunalee used one of my own favorite mafia tricks in the book: Getting a preemptive start on the next Day.

Actually the poll was a three-way tie at the time (and Owner was one of the three) I started making this post.
I started looking at Owner's ISO, and I thought, "hey with the way Owner and Epi have interacted with each other, what if they were scum mates?"
Throwing out actual reasons you suspect 4 people is better than just saying you suspect those 4 people. That to me is what makes the difference between "player salad" and "here are my suspects."
The reason I thought is was strange that Owner lists you as "null" was because she seemed to have opinions on everyone else she interacted with except you.
Those were my thoughts, and admittedly I threw out my "gut read" post without a ton of thought, but it was close to EOD, and I thought it might be useful for discussion.

Protip: On Day 1, I don't need reasons to suspect people.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 1:46 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:05 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 5:24 pm Oh, by the way, I checked Turnip Head and he is bad.

Voting Turnip Head.

HA. yes.

Very early post, lots of ways it can be interpreted. Seven minutes later, though...

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Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:12 pm

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 8:59 pm Lynching anybody Day 1 always feels bad and everyone seems so happy to be here. Soneji almost never shows up to play so I'ma vote there for now.

I know how you feel. When I'm scum I feel bad about lynching all the innocent townies too.

...that starts to look a little, what, opportunistic? I don't know if that's the right word for such early-game banter. Would Luna have said this if Epi hadn't done his thing?

Side: Epi wanna comment on the 'TH is bad' thing? Seems like an appropriate time to discuss now that hes a dead Civ.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:15 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:01 pm Yeah I've gotta be real with yall unless somebody outright fucks up and slips or somebody builds a damn good case, I'll probably default to a no-show as well.

The funny thing with this game is we might get some magnificent ties. Because if you're on a townie lynch that goes through, your house looses 2 points. So especially on day 1 if I don't have a good scum read, I would rather be a single vote on someone who's not going to die.

DH called this out as a scummy thing to say, iirc, and I have had trouble deciding if I agree.

Looking at it now and forcing my opinion, I have to break it down a little. "The funny thing with this game is we might get some magnificent ties." A hard starting point, I think maybe the phrase "magnificent ties" jams me up because I don't know how to understand that. "Really good ties"... "awesome ties"... "astounding ties"... what makes them magnificent? Anyway...

The rest of the post doesn't give me any logical connection (did someone tell me earlier that seeking logic was bad?) to the idea that ties have anything to do with the post. It's about avoiding being part of a Civ lynch. Looks like a plan to vote off a Civ lynch to avoid losing House points. Not that Luna ended up doing that; she voted Owner in the magnificent tie that I broke at the last second. I come up short with a solid judgment on this one.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:21 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 9:10 pm I'm going to have essentially zero time until Tuesday night or Wednesday. While I'm not here y'all best find excuses to do work and not excuses to do fuck all. Epi's recent grumbles are valid.

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine, because he said some shit I didn't like earlier. He provided a token response to Epi's dig at juliets which just looked like "this is where I am supposed to interject with this here comment" instead of "this is a problem and I want to address it".

This is the post in question:

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:35 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Oct 27, 2018 11:29 pm juliets and I are not teammates.

There. Go. Find bad guys.

so you know you're on different teams

I don't know about anyone else, but I wouldn't have read anything at all into Quin saying that, and the fact that Jay did is a little weird.

Just a bit of 'Quin is good and Jay is bad' in the softest sense. Maybe some value can come out of this after we know Quin and/or Jay's alignments.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 10:21 am

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:54 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:49 pm I feel different than I did in the game you scum read me, but you scum read me in this game as well.

Yay!! You actually understood me. That is correct.

Yes, it might be weird to some, but I guess I'm waiting for you to do something to prove me wrong. I can't explain what that is, but I'll know it when I see it...if it even happens though, which it might not.

Pretty sure Owner is town.

This is pretty pertinent, considering Luna does a complete turnaround on Owner and never really talks about this opinion again.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:55 pm Oh, and just in case anyone wants to shove some truth serum down my throat, I'm town.

Someone said that this was a cagey way to fool a lie detector, I think, but I think it's pretty solid. The "I'm town" statement stands fine, and the stuff before it doesn't invalidate it. Am I wrong? I support detection on this statement, actually, but let me know if my Lie-Logic is missing something.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 3:44 pm gut read: Epi and Owner are scum mates

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Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:58 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 10:31 pm I suspect these people: JJJ, TH, DH, and timmer in no particular order.

Enlighten me about the JJJ read.

Engages with Epi in his player salad post.

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:32 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:31 pm This sounds like a bullshit act to me.

Which part? And who?

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:39 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:34 pm
I think you're trying to set DH up.

A lot of his posts read scummy to me. Maybe, he'll improve tomorrow, but so far, I don't see it.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:35 pm
That was a joke.

Or was it.

Hmm. You really aren't helping your case. But then again, I can be pretty annoying too.

Epi tries to distance himself from Owner

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:23 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:19 pm

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Sun Oct 28, 2018 11:11 pm
I respect you, but that doesn't mean I'll stop being critical of you.

Seems like you're constantly and exclusively critical of me, but hell I've got pretty thick skin I'll be fine. Anyway good luck with that I guess.

JJJ seems alright. I want to look at Quin. Epi is null. Speedy, I'm slightly worried about.

I think yourself, JJJ, nova, and poutanko are the players I feel like I might have some meta on.

Owner produces their own player salad post and lists Epi as "null"

This is the turnaround post on Owner (and Epi of course). I don't see it the same way as Luna portrays it. I think Owner's question about JJJ is pretty normal, because JJJ had been active enough in the thread to get some opinions going about him. The distancing accusation is really weak, and requires a solid presupposition that they're both bad. You could take almost any accusation post and call it distancing between baddies, if that's what you already think. And I think the Epi-null analysis is apt, because Epi is notoriously hard to read.

karavalenge wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:37 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:42 am

karavalenge wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 12:05 pm<quote snipped>

This really looks like Owner both is scum and has a Deathly Hallow and got mixed up cause it was altogether in their role card.

It's also possible that they're just confused because the ruleset is really confusing.

This post looks like you think Owner is scum (despite the allowance for confusion due to confusing), but when Owner was on the chopping block, you didn't have a vote on her. You didn't vote for anyone, actually.

Would you have voted for Owner?

If Owner turns up scum, then that looks bad on you: to say she really looks like scum, but stop short of casting a clinching vote for an Owner lynch.

Yes, I missed voting time because of a meeting that ran long that day. That's why I went ahead and voted Owner today.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:44 am

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 7:18 am So I am a cop and I Quin is Mafia

i love you

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:29 pm There's a specific way in which Quin disagrees with literally everyone... and how he doesn't give a crap... usually, I see that from town Quin, with a certain belligerently honest tone to it. That's one of the secrets of my quindar. That's a bit of what genuquin means.

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:11 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:09 am Ope, I found it! (am I allowed to post a quote from another game?)

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:29 pm There's a specific way in which Quin disagrees with literally everyone... and how he doesn't give a crap... usually, I see that from town Quin, with a certain belligerently honest tone to it. That's one of the secrets of my quindar. That's a bit of what genuquin means.

...wait. Quin's in Ravenclaw. I don't want to lynch someone in my house.
But Quin's ISO is full of posts that are actually trying to be helpful to the game. This doesn't look like town Quin.

mfw me trying to be helpful isn't town indicative

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:23 am @Lunalee ^^^

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:03 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:09 am Ope, I found it! (am I allowed to post a quote from another game?)

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:29 pm There's a specific way in which Quin disagrees with literally everyone... and how he doesn't give a crap... usually, I see that from town Quin, with a certain belligerently honest tone to it. That's one of the secrets of my quindar. That's a bit of what genuquin means.

...wait. Quin's in Ravenclaw. I don't want to lynch someone in my house.
But Quin's ISO is full of posts that are actually trying to be helpful to the game. This doesn't look like town Quin.

Another example of Luna prioritizing House Cup over hunting. Can we call this the Yun Qui Tetll? If we're making up tells.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:20 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:18 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:03 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:09 am Ope, I found it! (am I allowed to post a quote from another game?)

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:29 pm There's a specific way in which Quin disagrees with literally everyone... and how he doesn't give a crap... usually, I see that from town Quin, with a certain belligerently honest tone to it. That's one of the secrets of my quindar. That's a bit of what genuquin means.

...wait. Quin's in Ravenclaw. I don't want to lynch someone in my house.
But Quin's ISO is full of posts that are actually trying to be helpful to the game. This doesn't look like town Quin.

Another example of Luna prioritizing House Cup over hunting. Can we call this the Yun Qui Tetll? If we're making up tells.

I'm voting for Quin anyways. How is that prioritizing House Cup points over hunting?

Voting for and trying to lynch are two different issues.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:27 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:22 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:20 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:18 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:03 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:09 am Ope, I found it! (am I allowed to post a quote from another game?)

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Oct 22, 2018 5:29 pm There's a specific way in which Quin disagrees with literally everyone... and how he doesn't give a crap... usually, I see that from town Quin, with a certain belligerently honest tone to it. That's one of the secrets of my quindar. That's a bit of what genuquin means.

...wait. Quin's in Ravenclaw. I don't want to lynch someone in my house.
But Quin's ISO is full of posts that are actually trying to be helpful to the game. This doesn't look like town Quin.

Another example of Luna prioritizing House Cup over hunting. Can we call this the Yun Qui Tetll? If we're making up tells.

I'm voting for Quin anyways. How is that prioritizing House Cup points over hunting?

Voting for and trying to lynch are two different issues.

Really? Because I don't vote someone if I'm not trying to lynch them. DH, what's your opinion on Quin?

On the whole I liked his D1 play, having just now read into his D2 stuff, I don't feel great about his JC post which he essentially admitted was trash, and he backed off of it pretty easily/quickly. I don't see anything "bad" from him, though.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:33 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:29 am

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DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:27 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:22 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:20 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:18 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:03 am

Another example of Luna prioritizing House Cup over hunting. Can we call this the Yun Qui Tetll? If we're making up tells.

I'm voting for Quin anyways. How is that prioritizing House Cup points over hunting?

Voting for and trying to lynch are two different issues.

Really? Because I don't vote someone if I'm not trying to lynch them. DH, what's your opinion on Quin?

On the whole I liked his D1 play, having just now read into his D2 stuff, I don't feel great about his JC post which he essentially admitted was trash, and he backed off of it pretty easily/quickly. I don't see anything "bad" from him, though.

Thanks for your input. If you had to point out scum to lynch right now, who's your GTH vote?

I'm moderately pinged by you, but I feel strongly that Owner's obsession w/ me D1 and her squirrely-ness with answering questions are good indications that she's bad. So if this was Outpost mafia and I had the flamethrower, it'd be Extra Crispy time up in here real quick.

That being said I'll have a firmer grasp of the game tomorrow when I do my Re-ISOing, and probably walk away from that with something better than a GTH, or in your case a "moderate ping".

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:46 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:43 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:33 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:29 am

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DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:27 am

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:22 am

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:20 am

Voting for and trying to lynch are two different issues.

Really? Because I don't vote someone if I'm not trying to lynch them. DH, what's your opinion on Quin?

On the whole I liked his D1 play, having just now read into his D2 stuff, I don't feel great about his JC post which he essentially admitted was trash, and he backed off of it pretty easily/quickly. I don't see anything "bad" from him, though.

Thanks for your input. If you had to point out scum to lynch right now, who's your GTH vote?

I'm moderately pinged by you, but I feel strongly that Owner's obsession w/ me D1 and her squirrely-ness with answering questions are good indications that she's bad. So if this was Outpost mafia and I had the flamethrower, it'd be Extra Crispy time up in here real quick.

That being said I'll have a firmer grasp of the game tomorrow when I do my Re-ISOing, and probably walk away from that with something better than a GTH, or in your case a "moderate ping".

I'm glad this game bases lynches on the majority vote instead of one person with a flamethrower. You and Owner did have a lot of back-and-forth, and I see why you suspect her. But I'm starting to think if she were scum she wouldn't have been so blatant with her accusations of you. Just a though. I feel like scum are mostly laying low right now, and I don't think we're on the right trail.

If we’re not on the right trail why did you voice support of Bullzeye’s lynch?

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 10:51 am I just re-read speedchuck and found that:

1. In the end he did not believe OoaLH was bad so I don't think he was killed by a baddie team with OoaLH on it.
2. He said some negative things about Glorf which doesn't look great for Glorf but it's not enough for me to suspect him.

Has anyone else re-read speed? See anything that I didn't?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:23 am I’ve spoken to my motivation regarding keeping Nova alive last phase although it escapes me whether or not I did so in detail. Basically I know there are some good players on the replacements list so I wanted to see if scum would treat the slot as they did in Fire Emblem, where rabbit was killed N1 so that speed wouldn’t replace in as a towny. We’d just discussed this in Outpost a few days ago so it was fresh on my mind. If the night passed with nova alive it would have roused my suspicions considerably. Although the vig choice is perplexing and should probably be examined. I’m sure this sounds made up but I don’t care.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 11:33 am Targeting an inactive to me seems like a dice roll. If I were a vig I’d go after people that had earned my suspicion.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Oct 31, 2018 8:11 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:06 pm Alright, I'm now caught up.

Most of the Day so far has just been two different squabbles over semantics. The whole Epi-Juliets thing has been more or less baffling in its scattershot legitimacy. It's the kind of thing that JJJ usually pushes, except with less actual substance, which makes me a tad sus of JJJ. Then there's the whole Owner/DH thing. It definitely feels like Owner is stuck replaying Firefly, while the rest of us are playing a new game. This regression could be scummy or not, depends on what else Owner decides to bring to the table. So far, I ain't impressed.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:04 pm

Owner of a Lonely Heart wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 2:02 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Mon Oct 29, 2018 1:06 pm Alright, I'm now caught up.

Most of the Day so far has just been two different squabbles over semantics. The whole Epi-Juliets thing has been more or less baffling in its scattershot legitimacy. It's the kind of thing that JJJ usually pushes, except with less actual substance, which makes me a tad sus of JJJ. Then there's the whole Owner/DH thing. It definitely feels like Owner is stuck replaying Firefly, while the rest of us are playing a new game. This regression could be scummy or not, depends on what else Owner decides to bring to the table. So far, I ain't impressed.

It's not a regression. It is potentially a meta thing.

Would you trust other people who have played with DH over a ton of games and have seen him as both scum and civ if they were to tell you that you were barking up the wrong tree with your meta characterization of him?

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Tue Oct 30, 2018 2:02 pm I'm gonna drop a vote on Owner. Her efforts so far just seem disingenuous. Her "read" of DH is unjustified baloney, and her other reads are substance-less.

Hopefully I'll be able to participate more on Day 2, and I want to do some more research into JJJ and TH.

OWNER

I don't get the impression that INH was interested in learning something about Owner's motives in this progression. Instead, it looks like to me like he is giving Owner shit for pursuing an errant thread of suspicion (potentially TMI on DH, to boot) and deciding to participate in her murder when it appears viable. Indeed, the highlighted portion is key: I think his read is hardly justified on her, and his "other reads" do not exist.

[VOTE: insertnamehere] aubergine

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 1:52 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 1:13 pm Someone tell me why Jackofhearts2005 is a civilian (preferably someone different from any respondent to the timmer query).

I’d tell you but you’re to stupid to understand my greatness.

*sneers*

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:21 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:38 pm I just read through INH and I don't see any reason to call him a civ. There wasn't a lot there and he seems to be missing after saying he would try to be here more on day 2. Low performing INH in my experience = bad INH. I could see a vote there unless I'm missing some good reason not to.

alrighty now catching up, but literally popped into the most recent page to post about how I'm townreading Kara the most and wishing that JJJ was in one of his moody self-loathing moods instead of his SUUUUUUUUUPATOWN (PAY ATTENTION TO THE WORDS I SPEAK) moods. Not sure if/how that impacts his alignment, but he's certainly TALKING VERY LOUD, and making GRAND SWEEPING DECLARATIVE STATEMENTS ABOUT THE PROPER WAY TO PLAY MAFIA. It's like he tried posting differently on D1, got a negative response, then reverted back to his standard shtick.

Then, I see this stupid post by Juliets. Juliets, you're a lovely person, and a wonderful fixture in this community, but this is like the second game that you've pushed this weird forced "low-posting INH = bad INH" thing. It's dumb. I'm at a point in my life where my mafia time is limited. I have just finished another game, and started the sign up process for a game that I'm hosting. Yesterday was a holiday. This thread is, in standard Full Job fashion, too damn long. There's no way that I could be whatever the fuck you'd call a "high performing INH" right now. My level of activity is dependent on the length/density of the thread, the amount of games I'm concurrently playing/hosting, and the things happening in my life. Not what alignment I am. So, please kindly stop pushing this idea. It irks me.

Still have like 6 pages to get through. Will continually update with more commentary.

PS: Day 1's are, have been, and always will be random garbage-y crapshoots barring major fuckery.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:25 pm Okay, inh is town

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:49 pm

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Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:36 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:21 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:38 pm I just read through INH and I don't see any reason to call him a civ. There wasn't a lot there and he seems to be missing after saying he would try to be here more on day 2. Low performing INH in my experience = bad INH. I could see a vote there unless I'm missing some good reason not to.

alrighty now catching up, but literally popped into the most recent page to post about how I'm townreading Kara the most and wishing that JJJ was in one of his moody self-loathing moods instead of his SUUUUUUUUUPATOWN (PAY ATTENTION TO THE WORDS I SPEAK) moods. Not sure if/how that impacts his alignment, but he's certainly TALKING VERY LOUD, and making GRAND SWEEPING DECLARATIVE STATEMENTS ABOUT THE PROPER WAY TO PLAY MAFIA. It's like he tried posting differently on D1, got a negative response, then reverted back to his standard shtick.

Then, I see this stupid post by Juliets. Juliets, you're a lovely person, and a wonderful fixture in this community, but this is like the second game that you've pushed this weird forced "low-posting INH = bad INH" thing. It's dumb. I'm at a point in my life where my mafia time is limited. I have just finished another game, and started the sign up process for a game that I'm hosting. Yesterday was a holiday. This thread is, in standard Full Job fashion, too damn long. There's no way that I could be whatever the fuck you'd call a "high performing INH" right now. My level of activity is dependent on the length/density of the thread, the amount of games I'm concurrently playing/hosting, and the things happening in my life. Not what alignment I am. So, please kindly stop pushing this idea. It irks me.

Still have like 6 pages to get through. Will continually update with more commentary.

PS: Day 1's are, have been, and always will be random garbage-y crapshoots barring major fuckery.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:25 pm Okay, inh is town

Nutella is too quick to buy INH's response. I get that he's busy and has limited time for mafia. But when he does have time to post, his content still pings me as not fully genuine. Maybe I'm just a skeptic, but giving commentary on what's happening in the game, giving out fluffy/non reads, defending your own meta, and using the "busy" excuse, however true it may be, just makes me more inclined to suspect that you are scum.
So far INH's reads are Kara is town, JJJ looks a "tad suspicious," and Owner should be lynched.
I currently think Kara looks suspicious, and see no reason to town read him. Sort of agree with the JJJ thing, and disagree that Owner should be lynched.

well gee wilikers, I'm sorry that my opinions aren't enough for you Luna. Not sure where the hell you got the "fluffy non-reads" from. Scumreading JJJ, Owner, and Juliets currently. Townreading Kara, because her responses to folks attacking her sound hella genuine to me. Apologies that my ""busy" excuse" just makes you more inclined to scumread me. You're certainly entitled to your own opinion.

If you want to unduly dismiss everything I've said in this game and view it in the most negative possible light for no other substantive reason other than "I'm a skeptic," then, well, you can certainly choose to do that.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:17 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:58 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:49 pm

Spoiler: show

Lunalee wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:36 pm

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:21 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:38 pm I just read through INH and I don't see any reason to call him a civ. There wasn't a lot there and he seems to be missing after saying he would try to be here more on day 2. Low performing INH in my experience = bad INH. I could see a vote there unless I'm missing some good reason not to.

alrighty now catching up, but literally popped into the most recent page to post about how I'm townreading Kara the most and wishing that JJJ was in one of his moody self-loathing moods instead of his SUUUUUUUUUPATOWN (PAY ATTENTION TO THE WORDS I SPEAK) moods. Not sure if/how that impacts his alignment, but he's certainly TALKING VERY LOUD, and making GRAND SWEEPING DECLARATIVE STATEMENTS ABOUT THE PROPER WAY TO PLAY MAFIA. It's like he tried posting differently on D1, got a negative response, then reverted back to his standard shtick.

Then, I see this stupid post by Juliets. Juliets, you're a lovely person, and a wonderful fixture in this community, but this is like the second game that you've pushed this weird forced "low-posting INH = bad INH" thing. It's dumb. I'm at a point in my life where my mafia time is limited. I have just finished another game, and started the sign up process for a game that I'm hosting. Yesterday was a holiday. This thread is, in standard Full Job fashion, too damn long. There's no way that I could be whatever the fuck you'd call a "high performing INH" right now. My level of activity is dependent on the length/density of the thread, the amount of games I'm concurrently playing/hosting, and the things happening in my life. Not what alignment I am. So, please kindly stop pushing this idea. It irks me.

Still have like 6 pages to get through. Will continually update with more commentary.

PS: Day 1's are, have been, and always will be random garbage-y crapshoots barring major fuckery.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 4:25 pm Okay, inh is town

Nutella is too quick to buy INH's response. I get that he's busy and has limited time for mafia. But when he does have time to post, his content still pings me as not fully genuine. Maybe I'm just a skeptic, but giving commentary on what's happening in the game, giving out fluffy/non reads, defending your own meta, and using the "busy" excuse, however true it may be, just makes me more inclined to suspect that you are scum.
So far INH's reads are Kara is town, JJJ looks a "tad suspicious," and Owner should be lynched.
I currently think Kara looks suspicious, and see no reason to town read him. Sort of agree with the JJJ thing, and disagree that Owner should be lynched.

well gee wilikers, I'm sorry that my opinions aren't enough for you Luna. Not sure where the hell you got the "fluffy non-reads" from. Scumreading JJJ, Owner, and Juliets currently. Townreading Kara, because her responses to folks attacking her sound hella genuine to me. Apologies that my ""busy" excuse" just makes you more inclined to scumread me. You're certainly entitled to your own opinion.

If you want to unduly dismiss everything I've said in this game and view it in the most negative possible light for no other substantive reason other than "I'm a skeptic," then, well, you can certainly choose to do that.

Okay, but how do you feel about nutella's quick acceptance that you must be town based on your response?

Not great in the context of her quick condemnation of me earlier. Then again, you were the one who started the whole condemnation conga, based on my dastardly practice of providing commentary on the thread.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 5:24 pm For real though Lunalee is hecka scum