The Syndicate

Hello

Picture looks fine.

I can vote after having posted. Looks like DH saw he couldn't vote, posted, and then pooped about not being able to vote without realising he should now be able to.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 11:30 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 10:32 am Heya.

So how does movement work? I trtied to find something in the rules saying how many squares we can normally move but I didn't.

I'm assuming it's too squares per night since some roles say allowed to move 3.
Are there roles that say that?

Default movement range is three squares. Some roles, such as Lycantha, have a different movement range, and it is generally noted in the role.

This means that an average player on, say, B6, has the option to move to A4, A5, A6, A7, A8, B3, B4, B5, B7, B8, B9, C4, C5, C6, C7, C8, D5, D6, D7, or E6.

Players will start with a movement. Please PM your movement by the end of Night 0 so you can begin Day 1 on a new square.

Also, today is very busy for us, so I will not be back here to post, except very briefly, until later tonight. Night 0 is going to be flexibly timed as we ease into this complicated game.

The map in the 1st post doesn't show the squares. Where is this B6, for example?

These poll options seem quite meaningless.

Are people voting randomly or what?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:39 pm
Tranq wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 2:21 pm These poll options seem quite meaningless.

Are people voting randomly or what?
The Tribunal of Judgment is from A World Apart, it was three civvies with BTSC plus a lynch switch and pardon. Seems pro-town imo

Sounds good. Why didn't you mention this when you voted?

Voted The Honourable Tribunal.

Ties are fun!

LoRab wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:27 am Can I suggest that we change the vote word from aubergine to something that is not one of the role names? I mean, if the point is to be easily searched, then it seems to me it would make it easier if it were a word that isn't likely to come up. Also, lol to the hosts for putting that in there.

This aubergine thing sounds silly. Why is there a need to have a vote word?

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:20 pm
Tranq wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 1:15 pm
LoRab wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 8:27 am Can I suggest that we change the vote word from aubergine to something that is not one of the role names? I mean, if the point is to be easily searched, then it seems to me it would make it easier if it were a word that isn't likely to come up. Also, lol to the hosts for putting that in there.
This aubergine thing sounds silly. Why is there a need to have a vote word?
Because since the poll itself no longer shows vote order some people may want to go back through the thread and track the vote order so the word aubergine was attached to in-thread votes (using the vote tags). That way you can search aubergine and bring up the votes and see the order.

Ok, i previewed a vote and see how it works now. I thought y'all were literally typing aubergine every time.
Still, looks like not everyone uses the vote tags so it doesn't really work imo. The whole thing looks ridiculous

I don't suspect DDL for discussing role alignment. It's good to be wary of roleclaims that happen in square BTSC. In A World Reborn Sorsha for the longest time had me fooled by claiming her role as Master Thief was civvie. She was indeed the Master Thief, but she was mafia.
Hello Sorsha

I'm glad you asked, juliets.

Note i said poll options, not polls. LC/BR polls are always important.
A World Reborn's Day 0 poll options were literally meaningless. Players had to choose between Prog and other music genres. Poll options had nothing to do with the lore of the game. The outcome of the poll, however, did.
I did a quick search on these poll options and didn't find anything meaningful, and made my post.

So what happens if there's a three-way tie and the three Tribunal members all vote differently?

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:46 pm I love this whole "trust-team" idea that JOH and CBob are throwing around.

Anyone want to openly team up with me? I'm an honorable, trustworthy person, according to the most trustworthy person I know, who is of course myself.

If G-Man sent you a friend request, would you accept or ignore it?

Yeah i'm not feeling this Sloonei case. He reads civ to me. Also voting the top poster on Day 1 isn't a great idea.

G-Man is someone i want to hear more from today. I want to see how he responds to DDL and INH (maybe others?) calling him out.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:02 am
Tranq wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:55 am Yeah i'm not feeling this Sloonei case. He reads civ to me. Also voting the top poster on Day 1 isn't a great idea.

G-Man is someone i want to hear more from today. I want to see how he responds to DDL and INH (maybe others?) calling him out.
I don't like this post

Why not?

On Day 1 if nothing really stands out i prefer to vote a low or non-poster.

Colin says his vote on DDL is a wagon contribution but it is sort of backed up by the other post he made earlier:

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 9:58 am I like Epi’s post re: DDL’s role speculation.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Dec 08, 2018 4:50 pm If I can't check in tomorrow I don't want my vote to be on cbob as a joke, so I am publicly announcing a [VOTE: DDL] aubergine wagon contribution for the foreseeable future.

juliets wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:50 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 2:46 pm I have no idea whether or not DrWilgy is a doctor and this is a serious concern.
And I have no idea why he voted for bob. Checked his ISO, naw nothing related to his vote. @DrWilgy what did you see that makes you suspicious of bob?

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 3:02 pm Yeah Bob does seem a little all over the place I'll have to look more into that. Not sure if that's where drwilgys suspicion comes from? from what I can tell all drwilgy did was vote with no explanation and then go away with no explanation. I'm always wary of the random no explanation votes even if just a minimal one.

This is a good observation. I didn't realise DrWilgy voted without posting.

linki with juliets: I feel the same way. And as usual with LC/BR games i have to vote early as the poll ends 6am my time.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:19 pmWhich players are you considering voting for?

It's the other way around for me right now, i have a couple of players i don't want to vote for. That's usually how it is on Day 1. G-Man's post is one i liked, for example.
I wouldn't mind a Wilgy vote.

It's been a while but i remember sig often getting mislynched early on. I'll have another look.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:56 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:53 pm Okay so as I said I was skimming, I recalled someone say something about the SVS and Luna exchange and called them bloodthirsty.

Turns out it was you calling Luna bloodthirsty and I misremembered thinking it was SVS being called bloodthirsty.

I believed SVS was the one being overly aggressive and throwing a bad vote on Luna therefore she was being bloodthirsty.

All that basically happened here was that I misremembered who you called bloodthirsty and Said it was SVS instead of Luna which is my view. So basically I think SVS comes out looking worse for her vote then Luna does.

For DH who said I was waffling, that’s kinda true but it’s early in the game and I don’t have any solid reads so I’m throwing out what feels wrong from a gut perspective.
This doesn't answer things. Why do you think SVS was bloodthirsty? When did you develop this idea, and what caused you to express agreement with me?

SVS always plays a bit aggressive. Bloodthirsty isn't the word i'd use but it doesn't mean the exact opposite either. I can see why sig would assume that word was used to describe her playstyle.
Is this the point you have against sig? Walk me through it.

Also, if this isn't the first time SVS wakes up in the middle of the night bloodthirsty thinking about luna, we might have a bigger problem here

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:04 pm
Tranq wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:07 am
nutella wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:02 am
Tranq wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 4:55 am Yeah i'm not feeling this Sloonei case. He reads civ to me. Also voting the top poster on Day 1 isn't a great idea.

G-Man is someone i want to hear more from today. I want to see how he responds to DDL and INH (maybe others?) calling him out.
I don't like this post
Why not?
Input on sloonei feels kinda fake and the G bit sounds like a forced attempt to change the topic to something, anything with a weird specific-but-vague reference to the callers-out.

How else would one word it? I had asked a G-Man question before and wanted to hear more. I'm happy with the post he made later.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:40 pm I described Luna as bloodthirsty here for the way she pursued Colin. Sig then expresses unclear support of the notion here, and after clarifying it turns out his stance is actually opposite the one he thinks he's agreeing with, here. Timmer, juliets, and I have all asked for clarifications, but he hasn't really settled anything (for me, at least). I'm still unclear on what he sees in SVS that is being labeled as "bloodthirsty."

Isn't he just using the word bloodthirsty to describe aggressiveness?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:40 pmIn my reading of this in which sig is bad, I see him as wanting to agree with a case that already exists, but he misunderstood the details and was caught making a phony accusation. Instead of trying to reverse course, which would probably be the shadiest thing possible, he's doubled down on the SVS and continued to insist on her, but hasn't provided an elaboration on why his read is what it is. I'm not sure why he thinks SVS looks worse than Luna in their exchange. I'm not sure if anyone else has that view either.

There are also some smaller pings I laid out in this post.

I can see an angle in which sig is town, but he hasn't provided any answers that I like so far. I remain open to other names as well, but sig is the player who I feel the most inclined to pressure at the moment.

Ok i can see where you are coming from now but i don't think it's a strong enough case for me to vote on. Looks to me he's simply not paying enough attention yet.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:00 pm DrWilgy dropping a vote and peacing out is nothing new

As civ,mafia,both?

timmer wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 6:30 pm @Tranq, are you still feeling that Sloonei reads as civ? How do you feel about the posts last night by both DH and Epig ?

Sloonei so far yeah. I don't have time to go back and reread everything but i have no reason to suspect Epig and i'm not gonna bother with DH just yet.

Who would you vote for if you had to right now?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 7:13 pm DrWilgy would be my lazy default low-poster choice.

Time for me to go and vote. I guess i'll go with the lazy default low-poster choice.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 10:54 am I’m just gonna vote for the top option every time.

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Dec 07, 2018 12:22 am
Players - 29 Alive

ColinIsCool

That's you. You're the top option every time.

Voted Auriel Unmysterium.

I caught up on the EoD posts while at work. I don't regret my Wilgy vote.

I see what Enrique and Dana are saying.

I voted DrWilgy again. I don't like him popping up immediately after he almost got lynched + i feel like TH sort of soft defended him without really committing to it with the post he made here:

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 5:00 pm DrWilgy dropping a vote and peacing out is nothing new

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 12:22 am Nutella died? I haven't seen the end of night post.

Why post before reading the night post? What if you had died?

I've played a fair share of games with juliets before but i cannot claim to read her well. Looks like she's playing how she's always playing. I don't see myself voting for her based on her usual playstyle.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:23 pm I'd rather lynch sprityo, he's low-key lurkin

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:42 am CfD G-Mang

I'm putting sprityo and G-Man down as not likely Corrupt Remnant for now.

Since when do the night posts reveal alignments?

What do you think of his Wilgy thing?

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 4:23 pm
Tranq wrote: ↑Tue Dec 11, 2018 5:21 am
Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sun Dec 09, 2018 10:23 pm I'd rather lynch sprityo, he's low-key lurkin

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Mon Dec 10, 2018 12:42 am CfD G-Mang
I'm putting sprityo and G-Man down as not likely Corrupt Remnant for now.

Since when do the night posts reveal alignments?
Something I saw while skimming.

I'd clear neither of these. G-man worse than Sprit. TH left a vote on G-Man and did nothing with it as far as I know. Seems like easy distancing cred, and you're giving it to him.

TH made that CFD G-Man post 18 minutes before the poll closed. It only would've taken one player to say "sure why not" to get it going and G-Man could've been lynched. That's quite a big risk if they are teammates, i wouldn't call that easy distancing.

Same with his sprityo post though maybe that one is less strong. There had already been some talk of lynching a low poster, and a low poster did end up being lynched. It looks risky to me so i'm ok with writing TH and sprityo down as not-teammates.

I still think Wilgy looks like a solid candidate to be on TH' team.

Infodumping sucks. I don't like it. Never have and never will. I'm not moving my vote because someone has info that may or may not be true.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Dec 12, 2018 12:15 pm
Luna, Kyle, DDL, Quin, G-man.

One of them killed nutella.

What's your plan if we lynch one of these 5 and they're civ?

Let's say we lynch Luna today and she's good.
Day 3 we go "oh it's one out of these 4 now, those are even better odds", we lynch Kyle and he's good.
Day 4 we lynch DDL and he's good.
Day 5 we lynch Quin and he's good.
Day 6 we lynch G-Man and he's either bad (you got good info) or not (your info was incorrect, or you lied and made us waste 5 lynches)

We could waste up to 4 lynches if the info is right, 5 if it's wrong.

Don't CFD me. I have info on Wilgy. He's bad!

Wilgy could be the Hollow Man. That one appears as a random civ when lynched

I woke up in the middle of the night and found myself about to be CFD'd so I made another last minute push for Wilgy. As I said before Wilgy could be the Hollow Man so I'm not necessarily wrong. On my square there's an item i found called the Mirror of Truth which told me he might be bad.

Maybe DrWilgy is the Trickster

Hey DH remember when the baddies recruited the Living Statue in A World Reborn?

sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:28 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:26 pm
sprityo wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 2:21 pm
Tranq wrote: ↑Thu Dec 13, 2018 9:49 am I woke up in the middle of the night and found myself about to be CFD'd so I made another last minute push for Wilgy. As I said before Wilgy could be the Hollow Man so I'm not necessarily wrong. On my square there's an item i found called the Mirror of Truth which told me he might be bad.

Tranq's dump not steamy enough for you?
@Tranq this is an item you found and not like an event right and you used it, which then told you wilgy “might” be bad?

I just want to make sure I’m hearing you correctly

I mean those weren't the exact words, but yes.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:53 am
Tranq wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 2:52 am Hey DH remember when the baddies recruited the Living Statue in A World Reborn?
No I actually don't.

Were you and JC teammates?

In A World Reborn, yes we were.

I'll go through her posts today to see if we can find any Jagged Blade connections.
In the meantime i'm dropping a vote on DH, the Living Statue is a seriously dangerous role once he gets recruited. I feel like this needs to be discussed.
I'm also considering G-Man and maybe novaselinenever who hasn't made a single post from what i can tell.

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 3:36 am from what i can tell DH isn't actually dangerous unless he gets recruited by a mafia and even then he's not even that dangerous cus, we know who he is, so his shenanigans would be limited, and his alignment doesn't even seem to be up to him. right?

This is exactly what happened last time though. Dom the Living Statue got outted, people didn't pay attention to him, then the baddies recruited him and they won.

Sabie's and INH's posts look ok to me. I don't think my vote will end up their way, unless there's another CFD and i need to save myself

colonialbob wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:55 am
LoRab wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 8:02 am What are the actual seats of baddies dying 2 nights in a row? In particular on nights 1 and 2? I’m so used to games where night kills aren’t revealed that I’m actually not sure.

And an alternate theory: what if the trickster is an Indy role who kills every night? Juleit’s Death doesn’t read as a baddie dying. Not to mention that we have no idea who is killling. Personally, I’m Not going to push that people aren’t who they seem, but I’m not going to personally make that assumption. And I personally believe it’s a dangerous assumption to make.

Strongly leaning towards an INH vote. Possibly sabie.
So if we're not assuming any of the night deaths are who they say we are, we've got two civ lynches. Good luck hunting after throwing out 2/3rds of the hard info we have.

Two civ lynches? Wilgy still screams Hollow Man to me

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:08 am The host post implies two scum tried to kill DH. Like maybe a block and kill or a kill and doc the hitman.

If this is true, I have reason to believe 2 of these players tried to kill DH last night: sprityo, timmer, nova, colonialbob, speedchuck, sig.

nova is playing ???

Darth Malignus can publicly silence someone. We'd know if someone got silenced.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:15 am Tranq obviously still scum. Flipping my opinion of Mac somewhat.

How do i flip your opinion of Mac if you think we're opposing scum?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:49 am I have a weird meta reason to think Speed isn’t bad. I’ve gotten him lynched or tried to several games in a row. Like 4 games in a row. We shared a square. I’ve expressed suspicion of him. Yet here I stand.

With that in mind, I should vote Sprityo or Sig.

Sprityo May have killed Nutella. With that in mind, I should vote Sprityo.

[VOTE: Sprityo] aubergine

You just said "Tranq is obviously scum" then you vote Sprityo who "may" have killed someone.
Since when is "may" a stronger statement than "obviously"? How does this make sense?

I'm changing my vote to Jack.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:57 am Tranq, I still have trouble believing you found something called the "Mirror of Truth" that told you "Wilgy may be bad." That's like the most pointless thing ever.

I already said "may be bad" isn't the exact wording.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 11:06 am
Tranq wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:54 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 10:49 am I have a weird meta reason to think Speed isn’t bad. I’ve gotten him lynched or tried to several games in a row. Like 4 games in a row. We shared a square. I’ve expressed suspicion of him. Yet here I stand.

With that in mind, I should vote Sprityo or Sig.

Sprityo May have killed Nutella. With that in mind, I should vote Sprityo.

[VOTE: Sprityo] aubergine
You just said "Tranq is obviously scum" then you vote Sprityo who "may" have killed someone.
Since when is "may" a stronger statement than "obviously"? How does this make sense?

I'm changing my vote to Jack.
Because I trust my info more than my gut.

Your infodump says "1 out of these 3 killed nutella". You used your gut to eliminate speedchuck. Then it's between Sprityo and Sig and you pick the one with the least amount of suspicion to vote for? Why Sprityo over Sig? What if your info is wrong?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Dec 14, 2018 12:02 pmMy info isn’t stopped by anything I see on the front page. Not Hollowman. Not Trickster.

What about the 11 roles with *secrets* ?
What about certain squares that may mess with the info?
What about certain items that may mess with the info?

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