The Syndicate

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri May 19, 2023 6:19 am Sooo.. No sub needed?

You can have my spot.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 7:26 pm sorry for gaslighting you so hard kate lol

No, no, you did SO Great. That was a lot of fun. I had a pit full of nerves in that last night phase of us going back and forth

I never clear anyone on bussing anymore. Ever

Neon wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 6:53 pm I win F3s

It's what I do

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Thu May 18, 2023 6:54 pm Gg SPF! You had me tucked in super deep.

Hugggggs!!!

Holy shit, what a game!

Omg, excellent job spf and excellent job town. I'm super excited

YESSSSS!!!

Well night is ending, you have my read and advice good luck town

Ted, hopefully one day you'll consider me a top player.

Love you all!!!

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:49 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:44 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:38 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:35 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:32 pm right, but the only reasons you've given me to work with are: "SPF self-voted" and "SPF is doing a strategy i don't like", so if you do have reasons that extend beyond that, you will need to be more clear about them

what do you find wolfy about my interactions with falcon? what do you find wolfy about the timing?
You and he were in lock step yesterday (eod yeaterday). There were breaks where you were chatting to each other. And your responses started to seem in sync.
interesting. i would just say that when i interact with my partners in a way that is staged/set up, i tend to do it in a way that is intended to create distance, and my interactions with falcon didn't really do that. for example, think of the way i interacted with creature in the game that we wolfed together, and then think of the way that i interacted with falcon here.

i asked him questions multiple times, which is one of the main ways that i scumhunt/understand other ppl. i don't really understand what it means for us to be in "lock step" and it doesn't make sense to me without you being more specific
I believe this eod was a bit of a surprise. I was having trouble getting people to vote with me on falcon.

I think originally you held your vote to throw on any other wagon that may occur. When that didn't happen, you "jokingly" self voted bc it would look too obvious if you threw your vote on falcon at eod. Falcon who you claimed to be 60% sure of.
but you agree with me that falcon was in anti-spew and that he "knew that you weren't going to shut up", right? so how does that align with your belief that i was sitting there waiting to eliminate someone that wasn't falcon?

the reality of the situation is that falcon was the obvious designated elimination for the entirety of that EOD, and there was no chance that anyone other than him was going to die, period

and again, why did it matter at all if i voted falcon at the EOD? he was guaranteed to die

im sorry kate, but this is just bad gamestate analysis

It matters for purposes of this argument. You backed yourself into a corner.

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:31 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:29 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:28 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:26 pm the fact that i tied seanzie on d1 when it would have been extremely easy to make anyone else go over and the fact that i actively POE'd falcon throughout yesterday and showed no resistance to him dying should be evidence enough that i'm townsiding and that i'm not playing with a specific agenda, but i did self-vote once so i guess that's pretty scummy
Now this post is just condescending. I've played like a lost townie thus far?
no, you've played well, but you are scumreading me because i self-voted as a joke and because you are failing to understand a really basic strategy. i'm not trying to be condescending, but that doesn't make you any less wrong
That's far from the only reason I've given. I figured out it was you yesterday, before you self voted and you knew it. That's why you asked me if I thought you were wolf.

Do you remember this moment?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:43 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:42 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:41 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:27 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:24 pm i'm not really sure i could do spf without any words as to how / why they're a wolf

i don't view her as someone who would lunch their partner d1, especially when they got villa read early. now it does seem like maybe she couldn't have known he'd die? but a lot of us were saying he could be a wolf so it's still a risky move
Wow, have you ever seen neon bus? Bc that's nothing compared to her!
have you played with her and she bussed unnecessarily fypov?
Neon is a ginormous busser. Self admitted
im asking about spf, but maybe i read the post wrong

i thought you were saying "have you seen neon bus? spf is even worse than her at bussing / she busses more"

I was pointing out the spf's vote for seanzie wasn't the worse case of bussing by far. In the last game I hosted seanzie almost got epignosis lynched on his own by bussing.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:38 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:35 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:32 pm right, but the only reasons you've given me to work with are: "SPF self-voted" and "SPF is doing a strategy i don't like", so if you do have reasons that extend beyond that, you will need to be more clear about them

what do you find wolfy about my interactions with falcon? what do you find wolfy about the timing?
You and he were in lock step yesterday (eod yeaterday). There were breaks where you were chatting to each other. And your responses started to seem in sync.
interesting. i would just say that when i interact with my partners in a way that is staged/set up, i tend to do it in a way that is intended to create distance, and my interactions with falcon didn't really do that. for example, think of the way i interacted with creature in the game that we wolfed together, and then think of the way that i interacted with falcon here.

i asked him questions multiple times, which is one of the main ways that i scumhunt/understand other ppl. i don't really understand what it means for us to be in "lock step" and it doesn't make sense to me without you being more specific

I believe this eod was a bit of a surprise. I was having trouble getting people to vote with me on falcon.

I think originally you held your vote to throw on any other wagon that may occur. When that didn't happen, you "jokingly" self voted bc it would look too obvious if you threw your vote on falcon at eod. Falcon who you claimed to be 60% sure of.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:41 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:27 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:24 pm i'm not really sure i could do spf without any words as to how / why they're a wolf

i don't view her as someone who would lunch their partner d1, especially when they got villa read early. now it does seem like maybe she couldn't have known he'd die? but a lot of us were saying he could be a wolf so it's still a risky move
Wow, have you ever seen neon bus? Bc that's nothing compared to her!
have you played with her and she bussed unnecessarily fypov?

Neon is a ginormous busser. Self admitted

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:39 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:36 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:33 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:32 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:31 pm well i don't care if you think the strategy is good or not, because it has worked for me in dozens of games and it will work for me in this game too. i just care that you're acting like the strategy is alignment indicative
No, the strategy is not AI you pretending to be using it is AI.
why?
Because it's a strategy only a town could apply.
well thanks for confirming to me that it is just confirmation bias lol

Yea, I don't think so

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:29 pm i do have the capacity to bus but i bus in a way that guarantees i get to live until endgame. surviving to endgame as a wolf here after two wolves die back to back is not really a viable path for me in any world

Which is exactly what you did here.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:33 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:32 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:31 pm well i don't care if you think the strategy is good or not, because it has worked for me in dozens of games and it will work for me in this game too. i just care that you're acting like the strategy is alignment indicative
No, the strategy is not AI you pretending to be using it is AI.
why?

Because it's a strategy only a town could apply.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:32 pm right, but the only reasons you've given me to work with are: "SPF self-voted" and "SPF is doing a strategy i don't like", so if you do have reasons that extend beyond that, you will need to be more clear about them

what do you find wolfy about my interactions with falcon? what do you find wolfy about the timing?

You and he were in lock step yesterday (eod yeaterday). There were breaks where you were chatting to each other. And your responses started to seem in sync.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:31 pm well i don't care if you think the strategy is good or not, because it has worked for me in dozens of games and it will work for me in this game too. i just care that you're acting like the strategy is alignment indicative

No, the strategy is not AI you pretending to be using it is AI.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:29 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:28 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:26 pm the fact that i tied seanzie on d1 when it would have been extremely easy to make anyone else go over and the fact that i actively POE'd falcon throughout yesterday and showed no resistance to him dying should be evidence enough that i'm townsiding and that i'm not playing with a specific agenda, but i did self-vote once so i guess that's pretty scummy
Now this post is just condescending. I've played like a lost townie thus far?
no, you've played well, but you are scumreading me because i self-voted as a joke and because you are failing to understand a really basic strategy. i'm not trying to be condescending, but that doesn't make you any less wrong

That's far from the only reason I've given. I figured out it was you yesterday, before you self voted and you knew it. That's why you asked me if I thought you were wolf.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:27 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:26 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:22 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 3:40 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:27 pm just to clarify, the strategy that i'm using to win the game is one that i borrowed from jaggedjimmyjay. you take the number of eliminations left in the game and then subtract one (assuming that you will be a miselimination yourself), to create a POE that you are confident about winning the game

so my goal is simply to find 3 names that i am confident need to contain the final mafia and then force the rest of the game to sheep that solve if i ever die. given the amount of people in this game that feel obviously town, this is a very doable task
Ok. But this doesn't make my posts or feelings about you wrong. So, if I don't die tonight, I would have 3 people in my poe and myself which makes no sense, bc we'd win as soon as we lynch the one wolf who obviously isn't me. So I'm not grasping why you're putting yourself in there unless you are acquiescing that youre play is wolfy.
.....because that's how the strategy works? you put yourself in the POE because you still have a guaranteed win even if something goes wrong and you get miseliminated

don't really know how else to explain the strategy to you. it's not about "accepting your play as wolfy", it's about guaranteeing a win through POE
.....well you're not GUARANTEED a win if no one in your POE is a wolf...or if you yourself are a wolf.
well yes....................but i think you're missing the point

the point of the strategy is that you are creating a POE that should win the game even IF you get eliminated. you are creating a path to victory and a list of eliminations that will win the game even if you are one of those eliminations. it's not a "guaranteed" win since mafia is a guessing game

i'm sorry but it's just not that hard to understand. i really don't have any other way to explain it. i am far from the first person to use this strategy and this is far from the first time i have used it

............no matter how many periods you put, you're not going to convince me that this is a sound plan.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:26 pm the fact that i tied seanzie on d1 when it would have been extremely easy to make anyone else go over and the fact that i actively POE'd falcon throughout yesterday and showed no resistance to him dying should be evidence enough that i'm townsiding and that i'm not playing with a specific agenda, but i did self-vote once so i guess that's pretty scummy

Now this post is just condescending. I've played like a lost townie thus far?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:24 pm i'm not really sure i could do spf without any words as to how / why they're a wolf

i don't view her as someone who would lunch their partner d1, especially when they got villa read early. now it does seem like maybe she couldn't have known he'd die? but a lot of us were saying he could be a wolf so it's still a risky move

Wow, have you ever seen neon bus? Bc that's nothing compared to her!

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:22 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 3:40 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:27 pm just to clarify, the strategy that i'm using to win the game is one that i borrowed from jaggedjimmyjay. you take the number of eliminations left in the game and then subtract one (assuming that you will be a miselimination yourself), to create a POE that you are confident about winning the game

so my goal is simply to find 3 names that i am confident need to contain the final mafia and then force the rest of the game to sheep that solve if i ever die. given the amount of people in this game that feel obviously town, this is a very doable task
Ok. But this doesn't make my posts or feelings about you wrong. So, if I don't die tonight, I would have 3 people in my poe and myself which makes no sense, bc we'd win as soon as we lynch the one wolf who obviously isn't me. So I'm not grasping why you're putting yourself in there unless you are acquiescing that youre play is wolfy.
.....because that's how the strategy works? you put yourself in the POE because you still have a guaranteed win even if something goes wrong and you get miseliminated

don't really know how else to explain the strategy to you. it's not about "accepting your play as wolfy", it's about guaranteeing a win through POE

.....well you're not GUARANTEED a win if no one in your POE is a wolf...or if you yourself are a wolf.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:23 pm sucks that kate is going to most likely die and leave a really bad legacy on me but i guess that is how it goes sometimes

So don't kill me! Easy solution

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:14 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 3:27 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:48 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:45 pm i think that falcon was very much in anti-spew for almost the entirety of yesterday, for whatever that is worth. i have seen him try to survive as scum before and i have seen him try to be towny as scum before. what happened yesterday was not that
yeah, he wasn't trying to live for sure

but his posts on psv are just ~bad, if she's my partner and im falcon, i probably just ignore her with his progression. there was thread momentum against psv previously (lemon / neon both voted, i was hard pushing) and he spends time making posts that make no logical sense w/r/t psv, which would make us feel compelled to flip her

so that just makes me feel like he was trying to set her up after his death. but all of this could be wifom idk
if you need some prompts about this exact topic, I'm busy rn but I wrote some questions that I think are good and helpful to research

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 5:21 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 6:17 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 1:32 pm [VOTE: PSV] aubergine
why?
tbd but

Seanzie died with his vote on Kate (who was 99% town and is now obv town and will soon be dead town bc obv town)

falcon died with his vote on Kate (lol) but voted PSV earlier here

falcon also ended with his vote on PSV D1

did falcon seriously push PSV D1? or was falcon's work today an attempt to cover for what was supposed to be light bussing on D1 (i.e. voting PSV) by trying to make it seem like it was just a normal "scum trying to push a townie" push?
the last bit
"did falcon seriously push PSV D1? or was falcon's work today an attempt to cover for what was supposed to be light bussing on D1 (i.e. voting PSV) by trying to make it seem like it was just a normal "scum trying to push a townie" push?"
yeah this seems to be a reasonable angle too, which is likely wifom

but dunno. if psv is a villa then they had really unfortunate progressions and actions with the wolf guys. from villa reading sean based on something that ~didn't happen, to holding a villa read on falcon that she was willing to brush by and then defending him on the basis of "idk these meta points are clashing back to back which makes me think it's a miss"

i feel like even for myself i wouldn't go to that level of powerwolfing in terms of defending team mates

She doesn't seem invested in the game enough to go to that level of effort and planning.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 4:10 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 3:27 pm hm maybe I misread your post Ted sorry
i was just making a point of falcon's progression on psv potentially being a good look for her

he knew he was gonna die, and his first few posts are making a lolvillaread on someone he had previously voted

Gth, I'd lynch spf. Read through the day yesterday, her responses to and re: falcon. Also, notice the timing of their posts and the absence of them at the same time (in and around when falcon was present). Try to pay attention to time stamps because this was probably more evident in real time.

If that's no good, go pyxxy. But this is a distant 2nd.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 1:56 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 1:55 am not willing to vote today:

kate
lemonfairy
potentialshelter
pyxxy
dennis (probably)
neon (maybe)

to be frank i dont' really care that much about who we eliminate beyond that because i am currently living in a world where the game is easily solvable with another flip or two
i think this list ~could~ be pure but even if there is even only one wolf in this pool then i think the game is still easily winnable, barring weird worlds where kate/lemon are mafia and snowing me

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:22 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:03 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:29 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:25 pm I mean, you're the one that said this solve was easy.
i do think the game is easy
So then who is the 3rd wolf?
as for the final wolf, i think that you and lemonfairy are both clear. i don't think that you would deathtunnel falcon like that if you were a wolf with him and i also think the conviction behind your reads (and the way you have consistently shut down eliminations on players that would be easy to push) is real

i think that lemonfairy is probably clear too because her reaction to both seanzie and falcon dying indicates a lack of TMI - i think it would be tough for a wolf to fake that genuine sense of panic about having her vote parked on seanzie and believing he was going to flip town, and it would be a really suave move for her to pull ooff if she's wolfing

i lean on neon being clear as well, primarily because the conviction behind the way that she defended falcon felt very real to me and it is identical to the progressions i have seen her have in the last two games that i played with her where she was town. i do have some paranoia about her replicating her town meta and just playing a strong wolfgame but i do think she's more likely town than not

leaning on ted being clear as well but this is pending some further VCA - the way that falcon and ted pushed on each other throughout d2 is a weird angle for two wolves to take after a partner has already died, and i think that even in a world where the plan was to set up one of falcon/ted to go deep and endgame, it would have played out differently/more theatrically. i also think the way ted has gravitated back and forth with his read on psv is genuine

it ....could be sixstrings. one thing that does make me worried about him is actually just how consensus-y/"agreeable" his reads were when he checked into the thread, even though he is clearly absent. i would expect a villager who is struggling to play or keep up with the game to not have many confident reads, but sixstrings had a readslist that was almost entirely in agreement with the consensus, which could indicate that he was being fed information by this team - this is the exact tell that i used to catch beggbow wayyy back in season 7 game 6

but on a surface level, i agree that his vote on falcon looks good

as for sig, i don't know - i really liked the depth of thought in his posting when he was around and the only reason i have paranoia about him is probably just the fact that he hasn't been around very much. he could be a wolf in theory but it doesn't really feel right to me

i feel roughly the same about dennis - he ~could~ be mafia but it doesn't feel right. he feels a lot townier than the wolfgame i played with him at the beginning of the year. the timing of his push on both seanzie and falcon would be weird for dennis to do as W, cause i dont think he's the type of scum player to try to solo endgame by himself. i'm actually leaning on clearing him now that i'm writing this out, because my paranoia against him isn't totally justified

i have thoughts about pyx/psv but i don't have time to write them out right now. in short, i lean town on pxy and if there's one townread that i was misclearing on d1, it might be specifically just psv

so my game winning POE rn would look like exactly psv, pxy, sixstrings, and myself. if i had to narrow it down even further, i'd probably vote psv right now based solely on gut

Just yesterday psv was your 3rd most townie read. She was on the "almost pure" list. Now she's your top suspect? Can you explain why?

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 3:40 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:27 pm just to clarify, the strategy that i'm using to win the game is one that i borrowed from jaggedjimmyjay. you take the number of eliminations left in the game and then subtract one (assuming that you will be a miselimination yourself), to create a POE that you are confident about winning the game

so my goal is simply to find 3 names that i am confident need to contain the final mafia and then force the rest of the game to sheep that solve if i ever die. given the amount of people in this game that feel obviously town, this is a very doable task
Ok. But this doesn't make my posts or feelings about you wrong. So, if I don't die tonight, I would have 3 people in my poe and myself which makes no sense, bc we'd win as soon as we lynch the one wolf who obviously isn't me. So I'm not grasping why you're putting yourself in there unless you are acquiescing that youre play is wolfy.

*your

Omg.

. @Epignosis

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:27 pm just to clarify, the strategy that i'm using to win the game is one that i borrowed from jaggedjimmyjay. you take the number of eliminations left in the game and then subtract one (assuming that you will be a miselimination yourself), to create a POE that you are confident about winning the game

so my goal is simply to find 3 names that i am confident need to contain the final mafia and then force the rest of the game to sheep that solve if i ever die. given the amount of people in this game that feel obviously town, this is a very doable task

Ok. But this doesn't make my posts or feelings about you wrong. So, if I don't die tonight, I would have 3 people in my poe and myself which makes no sense, bc we'd win as soon as we lynch the one wolf who obviously isn't me. So I'm not grasping why you're putting yourself in there unless you are acquiescing that youre play is wolfy.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:45 pm i think that falcon was very much in anti-spew for almost the entirety of yesterday, for whatever that is worth. i have seen him try to survive as scum before and i have seen him try to be towny as scum before. what happened yesterday was not that

He probably knew I wasn't going to stfu, sometimes I get a little obsess-y when I think I'm right. It worked out ok this time though.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 10:07 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 10:03 pm
Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 10:01 pm side note
falcon/Ted are crossvoting and there's 2 people on both

doesn't really make me think they're w/w
like ok, maybe they could be distancing but it's only D2 and their scumpartner just got elimmed
voting each other is not really the best move rn if they're a team
Why? One of them is likely going down today. If they're teammate was on the other wagon, especially early wouldn't that look pretty townie?
I mean, idk about you guys, but in this situation I'm bending over backwards to save my partner if at all possible. Lot easier to get to parity with two instead of one. Neither is really a lost cause. Part of it is playstyle differences I guess but I would not be voting my last partner here because that's not going to gain them much cred.

Here is one example.of that @tedxtr

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 10:05 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 10:00 pm I feel like @MacDougall ... is anybody reading my posts? Lol
I'm reading, but I don't agree on falcon so I don't want to vote there. Sorry.

It's not a lot but this one. Psv. Can you verify this is honest? (Tee hee)

Also, iirc she was the one who talked me out of you (ted) being partners with falcon.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:34 pm i also have a pet theory that the only way he could've gotten to psv as a "locked villa" alongside kate on D2 is by seeing seanzie's push there and having the TMI that he spewed her with his treatment, but nobody else had psv as a villager with that level of confidence

i know it's wolfy of me to say this given i've pushed psv all game, but i've re-read and can easily see how someone might think psv is a villa off seanzie.

having 2 confirmed villas is unusual of six (unless i'm wrong? i don't think i've ever seen him declare a villa read with such confidence) especially when one of them nobody was viewing as a locked villa. also dropping 7 villas is unusual behavior too, yes?

this is primarily directed to kate, i assume she played all the games he was in

I play much more by gut and vibes and psv seems awfully genuine to me. There was a post she made where she explained to me why she wasn't voting falcon and it was just so...true? I think that's the right word. I don't think the solve is psv. Let me look for that post.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:23 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:11 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:08 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:01 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:31 pm i think that you are falling into the trap of scumreading me for playstyle related reasons that have nothing to do with my alignment instead of looking more broadly at how i have played. you are far from the first player who has done that and i'm sure you will not be the last

for future reference, the best way to get a read on me is to ask questions like: "what angles is SPF pushing?" or "does SPF have a clear agenda?" and not: "does SPF do silly things like self-vote?"
Thanks for the lesson
this seems really passive aggressive but i'm not trying to be sassy with you, just explaining that the stuff you're using to figure out my alignment is not actually going to help you with reading me

I don't take any of this shit seriously or personally. Just trying to have a little fun, I promise. Outside the thread it's nothing but love
i'm glad, just wanted to make sure cause i can get heated sometimes too and i don't like tilting ppl lol

Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:10 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:08 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:00 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:29 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:24 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:12 pm if you think that me self voting is alignment indicative then you have much to learn about SPF lol
So I'm wrong?
it would be harder to find a game where i have not self-voted as either alignment than it would to be to find a gamed where i haven't self-voted, so yes
Yes, I'm wrong that self voting indicates y9ure wolf or that youre a wolf?
both!
Thought so lol

I thought that's what you'd say lol

Ebwop*

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:08 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:01 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:31 pm i think that you are falling into the trap of scumreading me for playstyle related reasons that have nothing to do with my alignment instead of looking more broadly at how i have played. you are far from the first player who has done that and i'm sure you will not be the last

for future reference, the best way to get a read on me is to ask questions like: "what angles is SPF pushing?" or "does SPF have a clear agenda?" and not: "does SPF do silly things like self-vote?"
Thanks for the lesson
this seems really passive aggressive but i'm not trying to be sassy with you, just explaining that the stuff you're using to figure out my alignment is not actually going to help you with reading me

I don't take any of this shit seriously or personally. Just trying to have a little fun, I promise. Outside the thread it's nothing but love

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:08 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 2:00 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:29 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:24 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:12 pm if you think that me self voting is alignment indicative then you have much to learn about SPF lol
So I'm wrong?
it would be harder to find a game where i have not self-voted as either alignment than it would to be to find a gamed where i haven't self-voted, so yes
Yes, I'm wrong that self voting indicates y9ure wolf or that youre a wolf?
both!

Thought so lol

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 12:25 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 9:46 am
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 6:31 pm for transparency my current POE is falcon, sixstrings, sig, and ted

i think if we live in an easy world, the remaining wolves are in that pool

in a harder world, there's proly one wolf in that pool and one wolf outside of it, but i'm struggling to see who that would be. i think kate and lemonfairy are both hard town. i've gotten quite a few townpings from both PSV and pxy to the extent that i'm not comfortable having them in my POE

i've gotten townpings from both neon/dennis as well but i suppose i feel the less strongly about them than my other townreads, so if i'm misclearing somewhere then my gut tells me it's proly in those two names
May I ask why you aren't voting falcon? Do you feel certain that it's ted?
because i have been using my vote today primarily to add pressure, and i feel that falcon already has more than enough pressure right now. i do not feel certain that it's ted, and i would probably rather resolve the other names in my POE right now (ie: falcon/sig/sixstrings) before i resolve him

So your vote's for pressure or for fun? Because this post jumped off the page at me yesterday. Especially with you and falcon's timing.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:29 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:25 pm I mean, you're the one that said this solve was easy.
i do think the game is easy

So then who is the 3rd wolf?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:33 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 12:58 pm
tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 12:40 pm up to EoD1 and feeling like i wanna lunch six the most

it's impressive to me how he's mentioned being new so many times (i had no recollection he actually said it at D1 close to EoD also, and the timing of it was crude too, he had 2 votes on him i believe and the top wagon maybe had 2-3) even tho he's done this before. him keeping on bringing it up just smells like a wolf excusing himself. new wolf players love to do that and as a villa randing the third time, he should've accumulated some knowledge and pursue new avenues, solving more, but instead he repeats the fact he's new before he outs any reads. all this excusing must mean he has some awareness of the thread, but instead of commentating on the important things, he picks the self-defence angle.

and idt he's clearable from voting falcon, it's pretty much the only avenue that team can take and have ~any sort of a fighting chance

nobody else feels like a wolf that's posting itt up to EoD1 to me (didn't get to the seanzie flashwagon but yah). maybe dennis? but for some reason it feels wrong
Dennis is civ. I'm fairly positive. I don't believe six is bad either, but further if he had 2 experienced partners like falcon and seanzie he would have done a better job playing.
how can you be so certain of that if he's never randed a wolf?

and afaict his villa play is to start slow as well, on surface level there isn't ~too much of a difference in activity of posting and number of posts, am i wrong?

I'm not certain. I just think it's wrong. He's absolutely clueless, falcon and sean would have helped him a little.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:31 pm i think that you are falling into the trap of scumreading me for playstyle related reasons that have nothing to do with my alignment instead of looking more broadly at how i have played. you are far from the first player who has done that and i'm sure you will not be the last

for future reference, the best way to get a read on me is to ask questions like: "what angles is SPF pushing?" or "does SPF have a clear agenda?" and not: "does SPF do silly things like self-vote?"

Thanks for the lesson

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:29 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:24 pm
staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:12 pm if you think that me self voting is alignment indicative then you have much to learn about SPF lol
So I'm wrong?
it would be harder to find a game where i have not self-voted as either alignment than it would to be to find a gamed where i haven't self-voted, so yes

Yes, I'm wrong that self voting indicates y9ure wolf or that youre a wolf?

I mean, you're the one that said this solve was easy.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 1:12 pm if you think that me self voting is alignment indicative then you have much to learn about SPF lol

So I'm wrong?

@Neon do you still policy vote self voters?

We have civ cleared so many people, I think the only people it could be are spf or pyxxy.

Spf pinged the heck out of me yesterday. She put herself in her own poe and then voted herself when she believed there was a 60% chance falcon was bad.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 12:40 pm up to EoD1 and feeling like i wanna lunch six the most

it's impressive to me how he's mentioned being new so many times (i had no recollection he actually said it at D1 close to EoD also, and the timing of it was crude too, he had 2 votes on him i believe and the top wagon maybe had 2-3) even tho he's done this before. him keeping on bringing it up just smells like a wolf excusing himself. new wolf players love to do that and as a villa randing the third time, he should've accumulated some knowledge and pursue new avenues, solving more, but instead he repeats the fact he's new before he outs any reads. all this excusing must mean he has some awareness of the thread, but instead of commentating on the important things, he picks the self-defence angle.

and idt he's clearable from voting falcon, it's pretty much the only avenue that team can take and have ~any sort of a fighting chance

nobody else feels like a wolf that's posting itt up to EoD1 to me (didn't get to the seanzie flashwagon but yah). maybe dennis? but for some reason it feels wrong

Dennis is civ. I'm fairly positive. I don't believe six is bad either, but further if he had 2 experienced partners like falcon and seanzie he would have done a better job playing.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 12:17 pm if the falcon wagon was clean and the seanzie wagon was not, it means exactly lemonfairy or neon is the final mafia

and i really dont think it's either of them, especially lemon

I'm glad we agree it's not Dennis.

Why did you put yourself in your own POE?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Tue May 09, 2023 12:17 pm if the falcon wagon was clean and the seanzie wagon was not, it means exactly lemonfairy or neon is the final mafia

and i really dont think it's either of them, especially lemon

It could also be you

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