The Syndicate

But Bravo felt so great until now, I'm feeling uneasy about jumping on him based on just the Disguiser hypothesis. Feels like i'm falling right into WIFOM.

Charlie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2019 7:25 pm Kilo, name two people you consider least likely to be bad right now

Charlie and Alpha.

Charlie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2019 7:09 pm Posts since this day phase started:

Alpha - 11
Bravo - 15
Delta - 0
Kilo - 8

the whole "Bravo is inactive" thing doesn't add up

Well that's a red flag for me then, because it means he's posting but not being in frontlines. Bravo was a very strong voice in the thread until now.

I do miss Bravo's heavy activity from the previous days.

One thing mafia might have trouble mimicking is activity. If the previous player wasn't exactly having an easy time being active, that won't change just because they switched accounts.

Hotel was being inactive for days at a time, so that might explain why Bravo is posting little and Delta not posting at all?

Charlie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 05, 2019 1:21 pm Delta has done nothing in the last 4 real-time days. doesn't make them a civilian, but it does make them boring. is this a boring mafia team?

i'm staying on Kilo for now.

Imo Delta not being online is NAI and I don't want to lynch him just because of that.

The thing is that I didn't feel good about Delta before either.

Bravo wrote: ↑Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:19 pm

Kilo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 03, 2019 12:46 pm Yeah I really don't see why mafia would kill Hotel.

Then again this same mafia killed India.

What does this mean?

India is a unorthodox kill for a mafia. They usually want to kill someone who is not likely to be lynched or who is a threat to them. Makes me think either the body switch ability was involved or they did it on purpose to invoke WIFOM.

The same applies to Hotel, tbh.

So right now we need Delta to talk, Alpha to show if he has some kind of stand, and Bravo to convince me he's not being shady.

Charlie is voting for me and I don't really get his reason to vote for me, but Charlie has been flip-flopping all game. I have a feeling his vote for me is to test my reaction or something.

Ok I'm gonna say where I stand.

Before this day, Charlie look legit af, Alpha looked fine, Bravo looked mostly fine. Delta looked meh.

After the day switched, there is a strong indication the disguiser acted, or at least mafia wants us to believe that possibility.

In this day phase, Charlie has pretty much dominated the discussion. Bravo is talking too, and seems like game-solving. I think he arrived at the conclusion that Charlie is innocent and Alpha is bad a bit too fast though, and could be trying to set up someone to mislynch Alpha maybe.

Delta is MIA. Please talk Delta. Alpha is here but hasn't said much. One thing that pings me is that he quickly reached the conclusion Hotel was the disguiser but doesn't seem worried about figuring out who they disguised.

Right now Kilo > Charlie > Bravo > Alpha > Delta. Because Delta was already not great yesterday and him not talking today isn't doing him any favors.

Yeah make an extension.

Yeah I really don't see why mafia would kill Hotel.

Then again this same mafia killed India.

Damn it locked

Make your pick Chandler Bing

Ok then

[VOTE: Foxtrot] aubergine

Charlie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:19 pm

Kilo wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:18 pm

Charlie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:17 pm

Kilo wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:17 pm

Charlie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:02 pm Bravo, if it's Delta why are you alive?

i've had to ask myself the same question about the suspects i have touted longest.

Maybe he isn't...

do you believe he's someone else?

I said MAYBE he isn't.

I don't know either.

why are you comfortable leaving Delta alive?

answer as fast as possible, we have 4 minutes

Waiting to see if the poll doesn't change.

If it doesn't I'm voting Delta for self-defense.

I just want to lynch Fox more tbh

Charlie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:17 pm

Kilo wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:17 pm

Charlie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:02 pm Bravo, if it's Delta why are you alive?

i've had to ask myself the same question about the suspects i have touted longest.

Maybe he isn't...

do you believe he's someone else?

I said MAYBE he isn't.

I don't know either.

Bravo wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:02 pm

Kilo wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:42 pm

Bravo wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:40 pm Considering it how

Its awful

Is it

For all we know there are 6 civs left and the only baddie is spamming cartoon gifs.

Do you actually believe that

I don't know!

Charlie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:02 pm Bravo, if it's Delta why are you alive?

i've had to ask myself the same question about the suspects i have touted longest.

Maybe he isn't...

Bravo wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:40 pm Considering it how

Its awful

Is it

For all we know there are 6 civs left and the only baddie is spamming cartoon gifs.

Charlie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:23 pm Raw CTRL+F result counts for each of the two in the bicker-war (including content in quotes):

Bravo:

Alpha - 13
Charlie - 26
Delta - 77
Foxtrot - 27
Hotel - 11
Kilo - 26

Delta:

Alpha - 10
Bravo - 46
Charlie - 22
Foxtrot - 19
Hotel - 20
Kilo - 12

Charlie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:23 pm @Bravo, you've been more focused on Delta as compared to the rest than Delta has been on you as compared to the rest.

Did you actually do this research just to prove Bravo and Delta are thunderdoming?

Kilo > Charlie > Alpha > Bravo > Hotel > Delta > Foxtrot, imo.

I could settle for Delta, but I see more chance of success in Foxtrot.

Charlie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:07 pm

Kilo wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 9:05 pm

Charlie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 4:51 pm

Kilo wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:18 pm [VOTE: Foxtrot] aubergine

Let's see what the fox says under pressure.

this was two entire days ago. you don't care what Foxtrot says under pressure.

[VOTE: Kilo] aubergine

I haven't posted in like a day, it's unfair not to take that into contest.

Either way, what he did under pressure was post another pic and make a omgus vote.

I have no reason to believe Fox is a civ whatoever, while I can see civ play from the rest of you. My vote stays there.

tell me what you love most about everyone not named Foxtrot

Alpha is hunting and making a legit attempt to do civ play despite all his self-imposed RP restrictions, instead of letting them take over.

You are supatowning.

Hotel is not active lately but he was similar to Alpha on Day 1, seemed actually gamesolving.

Delta seems to have some sincerity in his defenses, although the fact he keeps defending himself more than attacking annoys me.

Bravo seems like he is dedicated to a more tunnel vision style, and is playing fast and loose, which is alright.

Charlie wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 4:51 pm

Kilo wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:18 pm [VOTE: Foxtrot] aubergine

Let's see what the fox says under pressure.

this was two entire days ago. you don't care what Foxtrot says under pressure.

[VOTE: Kilo] aubergine

I haven't posted in like a day, it's unfair not to take that into contest.

Either way, what he did under pressure was post another pic and make a omgus vote.

I have no reason to believe Fox is a civ whatoever, while I can see civ play from the rest of you. My vote stays there.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:56 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 3:08 pm

Alpha wrote: ↑Mon Jul 01, 2019 10:59 am

Delta wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 1:15 am Foxtrot - What has Foxtrot even done this game? I’m beyond unimpressed with him. I’m downgrading him from null to slight bad read.

Opinion: Associating Foxtrot play with scum not honest. Consider Delta only two scumread, Foxtrot Bravo, this reaching.

So someone providing no content on them self, hiding behind rp, and sheeping other people’s opinions isn’t suspicious to you? I haven’t seen any original suspicions or cases from Foxtrot. I’m not willing to give them a pass, sorry if you find that suspect of me, but whatever to each their own.

No pass.

Your first post give no reason. Look like Foxtrot suspect because absent effort. Your second post give weak reason, but reason. Still suspect Foxtrot for absent effort. Not compelling.

Stop apologize for play. Passive-aggressive.

I think this game's goal is to make at least half the players post in their main accounts on accident.

Hotel wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 3:11 pm

Kilo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:57 pm Yes I just defended two opposite things in the same post. Booyah, motherfuckers.

A wise guest once told me that hypocrisy is a valuable quality to have.

Kilo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:06 pm Heck, I just noticed Day 2 Hotel does not continue his roleplay style.

Spoiler: show

Oh. This post exists.

What would this strategy be, Kilo? Take over the skin of the character with the most blatant roleplay shtick in the game for Day 2 and then... not bother to keep up with it?

I admit I didn't think it through.

But you do realize we are playing with WIFOM here, right?

Hotel wrote: ↑Sun Jun 30, 2019 3:15 pm EBWOP: so the disguiser HASN'T disguised?

a small but kind of crucial distinction there.

It's possible.

Echo looked very civ to me.

India is a toss up to be honest.

Hey, is this a 72 hour day phase?

Charlie wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:52 pm i want everyone to also tell me what the alignments were of all the dead players. i've pretty much already done that across a few posts.

Golf
India
Juliet
Echo

Hmm all civ except for Juliet. But I don't wanna count on being right about Juliet myself.

Charlie wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 3:50 pm

Kilo wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:17 pmOne of them might be a mafioso taking advantage of it to increase their post count.

pick one

My gut says Bravo.

[VOTE: Foxtrot] aubergine

Let's see what the fox says under pressure.

Kilo wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:11 pm I don't have an opinion because I skipped like 70% of it.

I hate back and forths.

I wanna see them talking about other people.

Like, a back and forth between two people is usually a series of arguments about meaning and semantics and seldom brings something new to the table that wasn't brought up in the first post that started the argument. And explaining your actions when being accused is way, way easier for mafia than making scumhunting posts that look legit.

If anything, I'm paranoid of two players who spend too long on it. One of them might be a mafioso taking advantage of it to increase their post count.

Ok guys sorry for my lack of activity lately, been busy. WIll try to make up for that.

Anyway, I think Alpha and Charlie are civs. The rest is whatever. Don't have an actual bad read right now.

Hotel needs to come back to the playground. Fox is actually making fun of our attempts to make him play the game which would warrant a policy lynch in my book, if it wasn't for the game being close to end.

Bravo is kind of meh, I do not like how he took a while to drop out of roleplay but he did it and is now playing. Nothing he says makes me feel him as civ though. Delta feels like he has done much more defensing himself than otherwise, which I don't like much, but maybe it's because people attacked him more than most people.

Charlie wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 12:32 pm the entire argument between Delta and Bravo has looked like bickering civilians to me. if i have to shoot one of them, i shoot Bravo first. snark (Bravo) is at face value worse to me than a desire to focus on other matters (Delta).

I don't have an opinion because I skipped like 70% of it.

I hate back and forths.

I wanna see them talking about other people.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:45 am we have seven players alive. we know that the game must mechanically only exist in one of two states:

5 vs. 2
6 vs. 1

the former is plausible enough that it should be treated as current even if it isn't for the sake of the balance of power in the poll. two mafia votes in coordination are enough for them to do whatever they want if everyone dicks around on their own pet suspects. stay activated throughout the day phase, and then we need to consolidate effectively before the deadline.

if there's only one left, this does nothing to help that one person.

Wrong account, buddy.

Charlie wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:27 am

Alpha wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 11:15 amOh Echo died

no he didn't. he's you.

[VOTE: Alpha] aubergine

Wait what

I'm really townreading alpha rn.

Bravo wrote: ↑Sat Jun 29, 2019 2:22 am Someone talk to me about Kilo. They're on the shitlist as well.

He is a handsome fellow.

Echo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:20 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 11:17 pm

Juliet wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:36 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 5:53 pm

Charlie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:41 pm i'm still me. i am of the perspective that the disguiser kills a player, takes their account, and then the disguiser's own identity is shown as the kill instead.

sprityo, if you're able to confirm or deny that it'd be appreciated

Correct

ooooooh. thanks.

I’m done talking to you about nonsense. I’d rather scum hunt then get drug into fucking meaningless arguments.

I presume you've quoted the wrong thing here?

I am questioning you. This is not a "meaningless fucking argument", this is me trying to analyse your motivations and roles. Avoiding assisting me does not assist a civilian outcome.

I would argue thunderdome arguments are the second biggest way to waste time in mafia.

The first one being reading other people's thunderdome arguments.

Echo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 10:57 pm

Kilo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:56 pm Because they are both true, imo.

Day 1 reads are unreliable. Especially civ ones. Sorry Echo, it's just the truth. We have to stay paranoid for people who changed the way they post, even if in slight ways.

But we also have to come up with some reason to vote. And the Day 1 stuff is there to analyse, can't run away from it. And besides, the very nature of the ability should make baddie reads more reliable than civ ones, since only civs will be swapped.

Kilo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 9:57 pm Yes I just defended two opposite things in the same post. Booyah, motherfuckers.

The fact that you felt the need to make this second post after the first is enough reason to lynch you today. You clearly became self conscious of having that first post analysed and tried to get in front of it. This is something that nets Mafia A LOT.

You thinks civs shouldn't be self-conscious of suspicion on them?

Heck, I just noticed Day 2 Hotel does not continue his roleplay style.

Echo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 7:56 pm Foxtrot remains a problem that requires a solution. Hotel is also the same person that they were previously.

I dunno I find Hotel's roleplay style very easy to mimic.

I would think it's harder when it's a normal person's way of talking.

Yes I just defended two opposite things in the same post. Booyah, motherfuckers.

Because they are both true, imo.

Day 1 reads are unreliable. Especially civ ones. Sorry Echo, it's just the truth. We have to stay paranoid for people who changed the way they post, even if in slight ways.

But we also have to come up with some reason to vote. And the Day 1 stuff is there to analyse, can't run away from it. And besides, the very nature of the ability should make baddie reads more reliable than civ ones, since only civs will be swapped.

Echo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:01 pm

Kilo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:04 pm So... I guess this makes all previous reads unrealiable?

I do not like the underlying intention of this post.

The logic is disagreeable, given that there is still probably a wolf wearing the same sheepskin here, and the comment only serves to reset civilian reads. I do not see why a civilian would have this opinion.

Hotel wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 8:27 pm

Kilo wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:05 pm [VOTE: Juliet] aubergine

Pretty much agreed with Charlie's analysis about them, and I didn't like how they reacted to it.

I wonder how much Kilo believes in that post anyway. Their very next post was a vote for Juliet based on Charlie's analysis of Day 1. I would like to know what Kilo thinks about the identity thief role and how to handle this day.

I love how the two notifications are attacking me for two completely opposite reasons.

Charlie wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 3:44 pm it's possible the non-disguiser role killed india knowing that we'd all engage in chaos and distrust either way. also possible india lurked on purpose D1 knowing they'd be temporary in that body. will have to think it over.

It is also possible they lurked, and not on purpuse. As in, really lurked.

In that case it would make sense if a person who wasn't lurking before and is now is the mafioso.

Juliet wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 2:05 pm

Delta wrote: ↑Wed Jun 26, 2019 1:31 pm Sure they do, they’re probably someone else now.

Wait, that's not how it works, is it? If mafia targeted a player to kill and assume control of their account, I don't think the kill would be announced to the thread.

Why not? How can we even distinguish it from a normal kill?

[VOTE: Juliet] aubergine

Pretty much agreed with Charlie's analysis about them, and I didn't like how they reacted to it.

So... I guess this makes all previous reads unrealiable?