The Syndicate

oh if LC never shared this, apparently they got btsc with pyxxy, so he thought he was their partner??? he never responded tho so kinda weird shananigans going on there. we dont know who pyxxy’s partner is

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:11 pm Do wish I had more people to talk to than just one of my suspicions. Though it's also kind of weird how Made has dipped, especially as Brad should give him more to talk about

last post was jokes btw, I havent heard much from limecoke yet, but I can confirm he and I now have btsc

leetic wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 6:03 pm It is generally true that you will find wolves in the low posters. And the only people who Made has outposted are subbed out people, people from the other thread, the host, and the MOD. I know he's only had about half as long as the rest of us, but he hasn't even outposted the D1 mislynch or the N1 kill.

f&$k me, the day one kill was mac, and this thread is about to hit 100. word on the street is the other thread is only at like page 30?

y’all just talk too much

oh, in case it matters, Lime Coke is blowing up my discord, I think they’re obsessed with me

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Nov 25, 2023 1:09 pm not unless you have a better role than tsp, which is to say tsp's role was p bad

maybe, recind that last point then. Im still cool dying here if I must, but from my pov rondo still doesnt make sense per the above

A point in my favor, in that world, you definitely kill a dizzy scum rather than a TSP since Im inactive, right

sorry bit of train of consciousness:

even if you believe the wagons were
Dizzy - scum
TSP - scum
Pyxxy - town

Rondo’s strategy would be to essential be a HARD bus to make it to end game—which I could see TSP supporting especially if he thought he was goner sooner rather than later—even if he lived. gira voted tsp too….

Made wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 9:11 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 6:46 pm
Spoiler: show
pyxxy wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 6:14 pm
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sun Nov 19, 2023 7:30 pm
Spoiler: show
2 hours 30 to go d2.PNG

recreated as text and copying leetic's PR color idea

RonDubz (1) - TSP
Dizzy (4) - Ranmilia, WWA, pyxxy, leetic
pyxxy (5) - Rondo, ted, Abi, bereft, gira

Rondo, TSP, WWA all with (1) from the shadow votes

--------------

from here:
WWA moves to TSP (1+1) at EOD-2h23m
Rondo moves to TSP (2+1) at EOD-2h15m
Dizzy votes Ran (1) at EOD-2h03m
Dizzy votes idk at EOD-2h02m
Gira moves to TSP (3+1) at EOD-1h59m

VC refresh 1:
RonDubz (1) - TSP
Dizzy (3) - Ranmilia, pyxxy, leetic
TSP (3+1) - WWA, Rondo, Gira
pyxxy (3) - ted, Abi, bereft

---
Rondo moves to Abi (1) at EOD-1h42m
Bereft moves to TSP (3+1) at EOD-1h13m
Rondo moves to Bereft (1) at EOD-1h11m
Rondo moves to ted (1) at EOD-0h59m
Ranmilia moves to TSP (4+1) at EOD-0h57m
Rondo moves to pyxxy (3) at EOD-0h56m

VC refresh 2:
RonDubz (1) - TSP
Dizzy (2) - pyxxy, leetic
TSP (4+1) - WWA, Gira, Bereft, Ranmilia
pyxxy (3) - ted, Abi, Rondo

---
Rondo moves to leetic (1) at EOD-0h31m
Ranmilia moves to Dizzy (3) at EOD-0h20m
Rondo moves to Dizzy (4) at EOD-0h07m

VC refresh 3:
RonDubz (1) - TSP
Dizzy (4) - pyxxy, leetic, Ranmilia, Rondo
TSP (3+1) - WWA, Gira, Bereft
pyxxy (2) - ted, Abi

---
Rondo moves to leetic (1) at EOD-0h05m
Rondo moves to TSP (4+1) at EOD-0h01m
Ranmilia moves to TSP (5+1) at EOD-0h00m
leetic moves to TSP (6+1) at EOD-0h00m and one extra minute late

final VC as we all know:
RonDubz (1) - TSP
Dizzy (1) - pyxxy
TSP (6+1) - WWA, Gira, Bereft, Rondo, Ranmilia, leetic
pyxxy (2) - ted, Abi

reposting so i can refer back to this easily via mobile

sorry I can’t get passed this. Why would rondo vote TSP here as their teammate?

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 5:48 am Understood. <3

Yeah Dizzy is the only person in that list I think can be a wolf, and while the chances of that ARE high they're not 100% or near enough that I can see any weight in that. Wagon purity reads are, in my experience, I typed "useless and antitown" but on reflection there are times where I have gone "this wagon absolutely never goes over without multiple wolves on it". Highly overused though. Let's go with that. And in a case like this where the major events of the push are "Mac started it and pushed hard" and then "robyn bailed from the thread" and they're both flipped town, I don't see any particular indications of when wolves would go on it.

Gira wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 4:10 pm if dizzy's not playing he's not playing

i had hoped my vote on him would lead to some pressure because he needed it but if he's afk it does exactly nothing and leads to thread discussion centering around him which is bad. i will instead vote tsp, who is being a scummy scumfuck

[VOTE: tsp] aubergine

Maybe....?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 18, 2023 5:13 am stealing a page from the leetic playbook

robyn
5
36%
Voters: Ranmilia, WindwardAway, Dyslexicon, Gira, MacDougall

_must_ be impure

and if I had to pick one it would be dizzy (I have no concerns about gira atm but clearly I'm not seeing something that other people are)

so [VOTE: dizzy] aubergine for the time being

might be gone for a while fun day planned tomorrow, watching

if it's impure it's just Gira right?

I think ran is morelikely town than Abigail, so I'll vote with Ran for now
[VOTE: Gira] aubergine

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Nov 17, 2023 10:18 pm Hey All, not pleased at all with the Mac and Robyn death. Only reasons I signed up at all was them.

I have a very busy weekend with a dnd game, karaoke party, drive to a castle out in the styx and then a birthday party today and tomorrow so I am going to be mostly absent / phone posting at best.

I would never make the Mac kill. I love to snow Mac as wolf. You can take it with a grain of salt of course but at least its the weekend so I can be phone posting here and then with no impact from work (Assuming no one breaks any servers again)

I was legit hoping Mac would come in today and exonerate me saying it was just one of his big brain plays that he usually does. I was prepared to have to go toe to toe and be late for dnd but now I am just going to say my peace and dip(ish)

Ill see if I can swing some late night posting Sunday to actually drill into EOD tomorrow

Doing some back reading (thank you leetic for inspiring me in my mafia journey to be the best play I could be 🥹)

Having also lowkey signed up to play with mac, I wouldn't kill him day one, even if he would of gotten me chopped D2, it's just no fun! I'm down to read Rondo as town for this

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:39 pm
Made wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:34 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:32 pm
Made wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:31 pm wait... so who is coming to our thread today?
Whoever gets lynched in the thread, assuming their partner hasn't already died here
Understood...who was that...?
I understand you're a sub but you've had like two phases to catch up. Come on

Asking questions is a very important part of the educational process. shame on you for shaming those who yearn for knowledge

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:32 pm
Made wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:31 pm wait... so who is coming to our thread today?
Whoever gets lynched in the thread, assuming their partner hasn't already died here

Understood...who was that...?

wait... so who is coming to our thread today?

Is there a world where we're ever chopping our top town choice, and sending them to the other thread as an emissary?

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:14 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 6:01 pm I'm currently looking at D2. Game is hard. At least someone new shows up at 8 (probably).
Not if tutuu gets lynched, nor if pyxxy's or Bereft's partner either. The other thread has been stingy about giving us people lately (then again, we were stingy at the beginning of the game)

How does sending people to other threads work?

Gira wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 2:33 am
Made wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 2:21 am I dont think we have enough information to do game balance pr role analysis. for all we know the other thread is mountainous.

we can weigh the risk of mischopping a claimed powerrole, but the ration of pr being a reason why someone is scum/town feels a step too far
why do you always post like this and not, like

having actual takes, independent analysis?

(i also disagree heavily that we can't do setup speculation but i don't want to turn this into a debate)

dont feel like using my brain rn, Ill do it tomorrow.

I dont think we have enough information to do game balance pr role analysis. for all we know the other thread is mountainous.

we can weigh the risk of mischopping a claimed powerrole, but the ration of pr being a reason why someone is scum/town feels a step too far

can i get a meta check on leetic? is his game this insane regardless of alignment

Gira wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 1:47 am
Made wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 1:46 am oh idk this feels as likely as a janitor kill in my head: Have we considered it was a block/bodyguard/redirect?
FROM WHO?

me aparently?? @leetic , to answer your question directly, I have no clue why I could be tracked to Bereft. Im pure vanilla town

leetic wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 1:46 am Anyway, time to come clean. I actually had a third tracker shot, which I didn't claim for what should be obvious reasons. Now @Made, riddle me this: what did I catch you doing at Bereft's last night?

We do thanksgiving at each others houses. This year it was his turn to host

oh idk this feels as likely as a janitor kill in my head: Have we considered it was a block/bodyguard/redirect?

sorry im in a deeply unserious mood

Gira wrote: ↑Fri Nov 24, 2023 1:24 am @Porscha @leetic @Made

i need you to actually pay attention here, because this game is precariously close to a loss state for town. abigail is easily pocketed by anyone saying something halfway nice to her, and that is problematic. I will try to spell out my case/reasoning as much as possible.

I think to anyone with a halfway rational thought process, it's incredibly clear that i am unaligned with tsp and there should be basically no doubts about my alignment but obviously that's become inconvenient for scum. being in that position is pretty illuminating though.

Happy Thanksgiving y’all

Im currently in a food coma so imma pass out and jump back in in the morning

surprised noone is voting for me yet. I didn’t think much about what the game means with a chopped a town pyxxy. Ill probably start reinterpreting the d2 chop votes.

until then 🫡

oh last post. check my meta, i'm like really shit at wolf.

Ranmilia wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:52 pm
Made wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:49 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:48 pm Is this really gonna end in a tie? Remember pyxxy, there is nothing honorable about not self-presing as town
Honestly, Pyxxy, don't self press. I think a tie might be better for thread state should both of us be town.
TIE META APPEARS

btw made you have been a pleasure in thread. sorry if i am wrong and/or we don't get to talk again.

likewise! no salt, all fun regardless of aligns

Tie meta is probably dumb, w/e town can be dumb too.
saving me and killing pyxxy is the move

Made wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:49 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:48 pm Is this really gonna end in a tie? Remember pyxxy, there is nothing honorable about not self-presing as town
Honestly, Pyxxy, don't self press. I think a tie might be better for thread state should both of us be town.

along these lines, if we flip either of us town, we almost certainly should flip the other immediately. neither of us can go to lylo with a town flip here

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:48 pm Is this really gonna end in a tie? Remember pyxxy, there is nothing honorable about not self-presing as town

Honestly, Pyxxy, don't self press. I think a tie might be better for thread state should both of us be town.

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:33 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:31 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:28 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:26 pm [VOTE: Bereft] aubergine

because I'm still annoyed at you
Why not self-pres at DizzyMade?
I can't answer this in a way that won't seem like AtE.
Yes you can and you know it

you really do be knowing the inside machinations of folks

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:25 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:19 pm I think you know that's not true pyxxy
what do you want town me to do here

straight up

provide reads. Do you agree in the w/v idea between us?

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:15 pm Hmm. Wasn't pyxxy accused of giving out "busy work" during the last wolf game? And he was asking people to give past wolfgames/past solving here.

I am taking credit for calling this read out first if so....

Made wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 4:56 pm I think ive seen enough honesty, maybe im rusty, naïve, stupid, dumb, etc but like:

Ran and Rondo both swapped last second to TSP. One of their votes killed TSP, the other felt too late to be buses, they could be, but mehhh
- ran and rondo also both have vague PR stuff around them. not worth touching

Ted and bereft were both town read by my slot before I joined
- Ted has vague power roles, and I Iso’d Bereft myself and I felt like his understanding of thread matched my own

Leetic is lol town

I want to get this out quickly, but I dont remeber why I townread gira, so we can add them back to Poe for now

That leaves
Gira/Abby/pyxxy

Of the 3 Pyxxy…
was a wagon on day 2
has popped into the thread questions asking nonspecific vibecheck questions
didn’t vote TSP
is voting bereft because…?

none of these things are damning alone, but together is the biggest blip on my radar

I don't realy AtE regardless of alignment fwiw. I'm all vibes

Made wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:04 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:03 pm
Made wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:03 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:01 pm Also, is Made just dipping right now?
Made just drove 8 hours to go to Ohio. Made is exhausted. Made has said a lot of things and stuff. Made did not sleep very well last night. Made had to pack
Have a claim? This will probably be the last thing I ask of you
nope! just a silly little town. killed pyxxy if I die, it'll probably work out.

kill** I did not kill anyone as I am lol town

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:03 pm
Made wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:03 pm
leetic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:01 pm Also, is Made just dipping right now?
Made just drove 8 hours to go to Ohio. Made is exhausted. Made has said a lot of things and stuff. Made did not sleep very well last night. Made had to pack
Have a claim? This will probably be the last thing I ask of you

nope! just a silly little town. killed pyxxy if I die, it'll probably work out.

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 9:01 pm Also, is Made just dipping right now?

Made just drove 8 hours to go to Ohio. Made is exhausted. Made has said a lot of things and stuff. Made did not sleep very well last night. Made had to pack

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 8:12 pm Not going to converge to Gira even if they're the only viable wagon. Do better people

what am i if not obedient

oh i should do the thing
[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 7:16 pm
Made wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 10:02 am okay read dizzy, tsp. here is where Im at:

town:
pyxxy
leetic
ran

not sure:
princess abigail
bereft

mafia:
ted
gira

this will likely swing a bit as I get more information. Gotta go to work though, see yall later today!

Made wrote: ↑Tue Nov 21, 2023 12:36 pm to say my sus on abigail explicitly, the Ted>pyx>dizzy feels like a roadmap for a baddie win before it feels like an honest read

oh hi! missed this. there was a read post between this where i switched abigail and Gira.

erm sorry had a stroke:

is gira ever scum. if he’s town my slot is fucked beyond repair. the preservation may be bad for the thread

is there an actual case for gira being town…this is actually dumb, but my spot is even less valuable if i flip a town here i think.

Made wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 4:56 pm I think ive seen enough honesty, maybe im rusty, naïve, stupid, dumb, etc but like:

Ran and Rondo both swapped last second to TSP. One of their votes killed TSP, the other felt too late to be buses, they could be, but mehhh
- ran and rondo also both have vague PR stuff around them. not worth touching

Ted and bereft were both town read by my slot before I joined
- Ted has vague power roles, and I Iso’d Bereft myself and I felt like his understanding of thread matched my own

Leetic is lol town

I want to get this out quickly, but I dont remeber why I townread gira, so we can add them back to Poe for now

That leaves
Gira/Abby/pyxxy

Of the 3 Pyxxy…
was a wagon on day 2
has popped into the thread questions asking nonspecific vibecheck questions
didn’t vote TSP
is voting bereft because…?

none of these things are damning alone, but together is the biggest blip on my radar

few post back, my bad.

btw does day end in 3 minutes or 1h 3?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 7:50 pm why does it matter to you? is he not your PoE? you said you didn’t care who dies as long as PoE is followed

do you wolfread pyxxy more, then?

yeah, per my last post, hold on ill tag you

[VOTE: gira ] auberginei mean ill vote to save myself, but why gira over pyxxy? do we have meta here or something?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 7:36 pm Dizzy wagon bad

jinks!

this is a mistake, idk if ill be around by eod

tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 4:24 pm pretty weird you're fine with a game state you haven't read enough to be comfortable in

especially when it considers you as a lunch

I feel most cozy with a vote or two tbh

I think ive seen enough honesty, maybe im rusty, naïve, stupid, dumb, etc but like:

Ran and Rondo both swapped last second to TSP. One of their votes killed TSP, the other felt too late to be buses, they could be, but mehhh
- ran and rondo also both have vague PR stuff around them. not worth touching

Ted and bereft were both town read by my slot before I joined
- Ted has vague power roles, and I Iso’d Bereft myself and I felt like his understanding of thread matched my own

Leetic is lol town

I want to get this out quickly, but I dont remeber why I townread gira, so we can add them back to Poe for now

That leaves
Gira/Abby/pyxxy

Of the 3 Pyxxy…
was a wagon on day 2
has popped into the thread questions asking nonspecific vibecheck questions
didn’t vote TSP
is voting bereft because…?

none of these things are damning alone, but together is the biggest blip on my radar

Gira wrote: ↑Wed Nov 22, 2023 3:57 pm [VOTE: made] aubergine

dunno feels like we're on autopilot tbh i started skimming the pages wondering if there was a reason people got off made, like he'd started towning it up, only to not see that. can't say i'm really confident he flips mafia it's just also if he's doing to be in this nebulous catching up/maybe not state it's...gonna be difficult. i predict we're going to mischop twice in a row but would be happy to be proven wrong.

I honestly I feel good about the autopilot. I feel like I got all my thoughts out, and have a coherent read of the thread that mostly matches my town reads. To your point, I think if we chop me and we get the wrong poe on D4 things could suck for a bit.

I dont think we have to though. anything I can say to put you at ease in anyway?

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