The Syndicate

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:49 pm @Sloonei apart from lawpy do you have other scumreads?

@Seanzie apart from lawpy do you have other scumreads?

Not actively. The quieter folks (genny, seanzie, miranda, SAR) should be sussed out further. I just haven’t gotten around to doing that yet.

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:32 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:31 pm
Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:13 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:49 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:34 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:30 pm

Please elaborate on why you made this post
Tinfoil. Folks were talking about Lawpy's siding with Zenge all of Day 2. I have expressed my concerns about that very issue. At some point I started to wonder if Lawpy poisoned Zenge and backed his point of view knowing he was going to die and flip town.

I don't think it holds much water now that I've written it all out.
What is your read on Lawpy/Dya outside of this? They have been a primary focal point for much of the day?

Have you looked into Falcon and Creature associatives? Or done the Neon dive as per request?

Sloooooonei... you Darthin bruh?
I have been working most of this phase.

I don't have many thoughts on Lawpy outside of this. I was only loosely following the Fruit Vendor dialogue this phase. Dya was not very present before being subbed out, and most of the interactions I had with Lawpy Day 2 surrounded the Zenge thing.

I read through Creature's ISO last night. I thought Falcon looked good, which is funny in hindsight. It was not particularly fruitful. I did read a few other ISOs for Creature interactions overnight as well. I wanted to clear Dennis, but couldn't.
??
Do you feel like you should be cleared based off your interactions with Creature?
No

I meant why did you want to clear me

So that I could have you as a town read.

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 10:13 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:49 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:34 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:30 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 8:55 pm What if Lawpy knew Zenge was going to die?
Please elaborate on why you made this post
Tinfoil. Folks were talking about Lawpy's siding with Zenge all of Day 2. I have expressed my concerns about that very issue. At some point I started to wonder if Lawpy poisoned Zenge and backed his point of view knowing he was going to die and flip town.

I don't think it holds much water now that I've written it all out.
What is your read on Lawpy/Dya outside of this? They have been a primary focal point for much of the day?

Have you looked into Falcon and Creature associatives? Or done the Neon dive as per request?

Sloooooonei... you Darthin bruh?
I have been working most of this phase.

I don't have many thoughts on Lawpy outside of this. I was only loosely following the Fruit Vendor dialogue this phase. Dya was not very present before being subbed out, and most of the interactions I had with Lawpy Day 2 surrounded the Zenge thing.

I read through Creature's ISO last night. I thought Falcon looked good, which is funny in hindsight. It was not particularly fruitful. I did read a few other ISOs for Creature interactions overnight as well. I wanted to clear Dennis, but couldn't.
??

Do you feel like you should be cleared based off your interactions with Creature?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:39 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:34 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:30 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 8:55 pm What if Lawpy knew Zenge was going to die?
Please elaborate on why you made this post
Tinfoil. Folks were talking about Lawpy's siding with Zenge all of Day 2. I have expressed my concerns about that very issue. At some point I started to wonder if Lawpy poisoned Zenge and backed his point of view knowing he was going to die and flip town.

I don't think it holds much water now that I've written it all out.
What is your read on Lawpy/Dya outside of this? They have been a primary focal point for much of the day?

Have you looked into Falcon and Creature associatives? Or done the Neon dive as per request?

Sloooooonei... you Darthin bruh?

I have been working most of this phase.

I don't have many thoughts on Lawpy outside of this. I was only loosely following the Fruit Vendor dialogue this phase. Dya was not very present before being subbed out, and most of the interactions I had with Lawpy Day 2 surrounded the Zenge thing.

I read through Creature's ISO last night. I thought Falcon looked good, which is funny in hindsight. It was not particularly fruitful. I did read a few other ISOs for Creature interactions overnight as well. I wanted to clear Dennis, but couldn't.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 9:30 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 8:55 pm What if Lawpy knew Zenge was going to die?
Please elaborate on why you made this post

Tinfoil. Folks were talking about Lawpy's siding with Zenge all of Day 2. I have expressed my concerns about that very issue. At some point I started to wonder if Lawpy poisoned Zenge and backed his point of view knowing he was going to die and flip town.

I don't think it holds much water now that I've written it all out.

What if Lawpy knew Zenge was going to die?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 11:40 pm ~ Role abilities may exist in essentially any combination regardless of faction, if they exist at all. Solve each other, not the hosts.

I would also caution against clearing people based purely on role abilities. How people use their roles will be more telling.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 1:36 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Apr 25, 2023 12:55 am @MacDougall Which is more likely?

A) Wolf Sloonei went out of his way to hard-defend two teammates on Day 1, one of which was superslanky Creature

OR

B) Town Slooonei misread Scotty
Mmm. B.

Do a Neon dive pretty please.

Tomorrow evening. It’s 2 AM.

@MacDougall Which is more likely?

A) Wolf Sloonei went out of his way to hard-defend two teammates on Day 1, one of which was superslanky Creature

OR

B) Town Slooonei misread Scotty

Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:19 pm Counterpoint: Creature is exactly the kind of teammate that werefolk would be inclined to bus.

Not counterpoint to the Wilgy/Tutuu part. DrTutii is always town. Just… bussing Creature in this game is not unreasonable.

Counterpoint: Creature is exactly the kind of teammate that werefolk would be inclined to bus.

I have not paid close attention to Neon, but have felt generally okay by her presence in the game. I will do a deep dive at some point this phase, because hers is a slot that I have no clear read on.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 11:06 pm @Sloonei I think you are probably in a soft difference to Neon so I would appreciate your thoughts on Neon. @Neon vice versa.

a what?

Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:57 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:45 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:42 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:37 pm I'm sorting reads pls.

Who do you think is wolfing Lawpy?
I don’t think my POE changed significantly from before, which btw had falcons and creatures in it.

I’m wolfreading Nates, mayos and Slooneis. Largely because of end of D1 events for Nates + the initial Zenges vote. And how the latter two handled Zenges vs Falcons.
Lawpy has sided very strongly with Zenge in the Zenge vs. Sloonei dialogue on Day 1. I have been worried about this. I do not want to bring up bring up past events that are not relevant. But I think I have made myself clear that I do not believe Zenge was responding to my posts fairly or accurately. I believe others have expressed similar feelings. But I'm not interested in polling the room. I just want to note that Lawpy has used this issue to frame me as a suspect since subbing into the game without seeming to give much consideration to the other side of the coin.
Frame is definitely wrong and implies i’m disingenuous. I was honing in on Zenges vs Falcons because Zenges was receiving a lot of major pushback and resistance that made me suspect wolves were trying to defend Falcons and get the heat off of him. And i still argue that’s the case. And i already acknowledged in a response to Nates that Zenges might be confbiasing but i still backed his tunnel on Falcons strongly and was honing in on anyone trying to mount a resistance against him. I also very clearly mentioned how trajectory matters because Santy defended Falcons too and yet i’m village reading him because the way he engaged with Zenges is coming from a more genuine solving approach as opposed to your attempt in trying to subtly nudge Zenges away from the tunnel while gradually moderating and shifting your stance to make it seem you’re explicitly anti Falcons

"Frame" in this sense just means "present" or "show", I didn't intend for that word to have that particular connotation there.

But you essentially just restated my point. Zenge had a point of view about his interactions with me. I had a different point of view. I have expressed my point of view ad nauseam. I do not think it is an unreasonable point of view.

You have backed Zenge's point of view 100% of the time. You have not appeared to give any room for consideration of my point of view. That is my concern.

(i am sorry, i'm still feeling sassy about it)

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:57 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:37 pm I will probably be required to explain my participation in Scotty's elimination, so here you go:

I initiated the Scotty bandwagon by posting a mild case about his Day 1 reads list and his response to some light pressure. It was intended to promote discussion with and about Scotty. But then he disappeared and a bunch of votes piled on. I expressed concerns about this in real time, but at the time I still felt like Scotty was the closed thing I had to a suspect. I gave serious consideration to switching to Creature in the final minutes, but I didn't act on it. Oh well.

I am responsible for giving the werecreatures an excuse not to vote Creature. But I am not one of them.
When you were defending Falcon on day 1 and Zenge attacked yoy, you certainly sound like town Sloonei, but it's hard to reconcile that you are probably singularly responsible for two Werecreatures surviving day 1 by voting out Scotty.

Why did you feel the need to interject on Falcon's behalf with Zenge?

Because I felt as though Zenge's suspicion was based off of something that Falcon would do as town or mafia. I still feel that way.

And I still maintain that I was not "interjecting on Falcon's behalf." I interjected because I am a player who knows Falcon, and Zenge is not. As I said a dozen or so times during that conversation, I was only trying to provide context. Zenge then made it appear that I was defending Falcon by repeatedly asking me why I was defending Falcon.

Here is dya's (now Lawpy) progression on Scotty leading up to the vote:

Spoiler: show

And here is everything they had to say about Creature on Day 1:

Spoiler: show

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:07 pm AM - i'm catching up and seeing that creature's lack of activity is a big deal to you. he's outgrown that meta recently and there are things I can't talk about that I think are going on that might affect that

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:08 pm that said I remember nothing of what creature has done so he could be a wolf

but the lack of activity is outdated meta

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:31 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:29 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:25 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:23 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 7:20 pm I'm confused by @Sloonei backtracking on Scotty now that the wagon is gaining steam
I am judging Scotty based on how he reacts to things. I do not think this should be confusing.
You pushed very hard for people to vote Scotty with you and now that people are voting Scotty with you you're like mhmmmm maybe not. It's a strange progression.
I suspected Scotty and still do, so I presented a case against him.

Scotty reacted to it, and I gave consideration to his reaction. It has given me reason to reconsider. It is not a strange progression. This is a strange push.
I'm pushing you? When I'm still voting with you on Scotty?
You made it sound like you don't want to elim Scotty anymore because of his response being disinterested. I questioned that given how enthusiastic you were posting banners saying let's talk about him. Yeah, it seemed weird.

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:11 pm but like I think scotty's iso pings me and miranda's and creatures are just kind of there

is sporty's iso long

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:51 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:51 pm Is there an argument anywhere for Creature being town?
if you happened to know about other things going on elsewhere, you would probably not be upset at the lack of content

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 8:52 pm it's not really a town read so much as a he is busy read

dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:19 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:17 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Thu Apr 20, 2023 9:15 pm so i iso'd

scotty
miranda
creature
sporty
What did you get?
you and miranda's isos were both pretty empty

sporty i liked for reasons mentioned earlier tonight (if I say them again I'll get accused of pocketing them again)

scotty was wolfy to me primarily because he's reading dennis as wolf based on how dennis is treating pyxxy, who he has as wolf. and he's voting dennis over pyxxy

I do not struggle to read this as somebody who is teamed with Creature that is happy to place a vote anywhere other than Creature. Dya is either defensive of Creature, or gives him a complete uncritical pass.

At the same time, Dya scrutinizes Scotty and offers a counterargument when I expressed my reservations about suspecting Scotty.

Lawpy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:42 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:37 pm I'm sorting reads pls.

Who do you think is wolfing Lawpy?
I don’t think my POE changed significantly from before, which btw had falcons and creatures in it.

I’m wolfreading Nates, mayos and Slooneis. Largely because of end of D1 events for Nates + the initial Zenges vote. And how the latter two handled Zenges vs Falcons.

Lawpy has sided very strongly with Zenge in the Zenge vs. Sloonei dialogue on Day 1. I have been worried about this. I do not want to bring up bring up past events that are not relevant. But I think I have made myself clear that I do not believe Zenge was responding to my posts fairly or accurately. I believe others have expressed similar feelings. But I'm not interested in polling the room. I just want to note that Lawpy has used this issue to frame me as a suspect since subbing into the game without seeming to give much consideration to the other side of the coin.

I believe Neon was the one person on Scotty before me, but she was present after the wagon took off and did not move it.

I will probably be required to explain my participation in Scotty's elimination, so here you go:

I initiated the Scotty bandwagon by posting a mild case about his Day 1 reads list and his response to some light pressure. It was intended to promote discussion with and about Scotty. But then he disappeared and a bunch of votes piled on. I expressed concerns about this in real time, but at the time I still felt like Scotty was the closed thing I had to a suspect. I gave serious consideration to switching to Creature in the final minutes, but I didn't act on it. Oh well.

I am responsible for giving the werecreatures an excuse not to vote Creature. But I am not one of them.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:31 pm Due to Falcon's flip I am revising my townlist and removing Sloonei off it for now. Falcon and Creature both being Werecreatures that were hard pushed day 1 makes anyone complicit in the Scotty wagon exceedingly in need of a resolve. I don't think Sloonei is a wolf, but I'm not comfortable townclearing him now.

This makes my present towncore Santy, MR7, Mayo and Tutuu.

This is fair.

santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:31 pm I was being ironic .

Cuz its kinda obvious that if its mech it didn't come from Sloonei so their answer is moot

Which do you think it is?

I feel like starting the day on [VOTE: Lawpy] aubergine

Neon wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:27 pm Are we allowed to claim in this set up?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 16, 2023 11:41 pm 4. It is legal to claim roles and to reveal role-related information publicly.

Could Marmot be 3P? Or was he just janitored? It does not make any sense for the werecreatures to have targeted him.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:14 pm
santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:11 pm Mighty is hardcleared from being from the werecreatures, Zenge too.
Zenge died at the end of the day yesterday.

Yeah, so he's hardcleared.

santygrass wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:10 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Mon Apr 24, 2023 8:20 pm Everyone has received a special broadcast!

Sloonei w

Anyway, here's some music to vibe to:

Is this mech or a read?

A read

I forgot to mention I'm masons with Creature.

I think I speak for all of the Syndicate when I say I vote for all the hijinks, lawpyisms, and whatever else you all can throw at us.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:38 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:35 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:24 pm Here is my rainbow.

Kate/MacDougall
santygrass
S~V~S
DrWilgy/tutuu
Sloonei
potentialsheltervet
NateTheLesser
Mayo the Mayo
genny
Neon
SARdoghandler
mightyrunner7
miranda920
Seanzie
falcon45ca
Dennis
dyachei/Lawpy
Creature
Zenge?
Zenge

Zedge?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:24 pm Here is my rainbow.

Kate/MacDougall
santygrass
S~V~S
DrWilgy/tutuu
Sloonei
potentialsheltervet
NateTheLesser
Mayo the Mayo
genny
Neon
SARdoghandler
mightyrunner7
miranda920
Seanzie
falcon45ca
Dennis
dyachei/Lawpy
Creature

Interesting Lawpy placement.

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 9:14 pm Sloonei being the fourth highest poster in a game isn't something I've seen in a loooooong time.

We have awoken an ancient behemoth.

Zenge wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 8:58 pm @RonaldMcDonald can you not?

PSV is village fam. Your murderous “I’m loving it”’s are not appreciated.

Who is the most suspicious SDNer?

supershorty wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 8:33 pm oho! so you can put smileys in the vote tags

[VOTE:

] aubergine gg

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 8:29 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 8:27 pm This thread is like playing with samac and shorty and their twins.

[VOTE: Creature[/creature]] aubergine
[VOTE:

Who's samac?] aubergine

[VOTE:

Is this the post we're not supposed to quote?] aubergine

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 8:25 pm Does anyone townread me, or does everyone actually think that Creature and I are teammates, and that decided it was in my best interest to vote for Creature to tie the wagons, and then move my vote to Scotty to break the tie, with the hope that Creature just wouldn't flip soonafter?

As frustrating as it is here to hear this, I think your best bet is to not concern yourself with this right now. You are (probably) not going anywhere today. That means you have at least 48 more hours to hunt and prove your towniness to us all.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 7:48 pm @Sloonei what is your profile picture?

A spilled jar of paprika, distorted behind a yellow haze. Obviously.

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 7:44 pm How is no one posting the goddamn moment I show up

We figured everything out while you were gone. Nothing left to talk about.

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 7:36 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 11:52 am [VOTE: MAYO ] aubergine
But I'm working on catch-up rn.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:49 pm
Lawpy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 12:46 pm I definitely think mayos should be discussed:

[VOTE: Mayos] aubergine
Neat. He at least deserves this pressure imo
Was there anything in particular about their game because I just realized I don't think they've recently

Did this sentence get cut in half?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 7:27 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 7:25 pm
Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 7:23 pm I just realized that dya subbed out.

I was quietly waiting all day to hear from them, but now I understand why I haven't.
Why?
Why what?

Why were you waiting all day to hear from dya?

Marmot wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 7:23 pm I just realized that dya subbed out.

I was quietly waiting all day to hear from them, but now I understand why I haven't.

Why?

[VOTE: creature] aubergine

I'm cool with Creature over Marmot today.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 7:19 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 7:13 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 7:10 pm misyoten

Yes pls
I personally disagree with the conjugation of yeet Scotty (I think) posted earlier. Yote and yoten are fun to say

This is the first version of yeet that I can get behind.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 7:10 pm misyoten

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 7:08 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 7:07 pm
potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 7:06 pm Hi can I make a suggestion/request
Can we do a little less splitting of site v site and focus more on town v mafia?
I just feel like saying SDN v syndicate isn't extraordinarily helpful. Obviously we all have meta on certain people and that's significant but the other stuff is getting tiresome.
Where exactly did anyone do this?
You, specifically, saying SDNers aren't comfortable pushing each other.

This is not how I interpret Mac's words.

What he's saying is that, so far, all of the wagons through two days have been on Syndicate players. SDNers know each other better than we know you guys. So we are looking for guidance from our resident SDN townies to help us push the SDN not-townies.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 7:06 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 7:05 pm Is Lawpy town?
I thiiiiiiiink so. I am not confident.

What makes you thiiiiiiiink so, and what is causing so much hesitation?

tutuu wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 7:06 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 7:05 pm Is Lawpy town?
i thought his push of you made him town

u also said that you believe that he believes what he said

Yes but I am reconsidering that statement.

Is Lawpy town?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 6:00 pm One thing I worry about is that the SDN players seem to more compulsively townread each other which is causing an overemphasis on Syndicators who don't do that. Yesterday and today all viable wagons have been Syndicators. SDNers are over emphasising on Syndicators and Syndicators are ignoring SDNers due to no SDNers having strong pushes onto other SDNers.

SDNers need to make more effort to find the wolves in the other SDNers or wolf SDNers are gonna skate.

SDNers.

This is a good point that I'd like to see all SDNers respond to in some way.

NateTheLesser wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 5:18 pm
Mayo the Mayo wrote: ↑Sun Apr 23, 2023 4:07 pm I haven’t read most of the game today and have been denied a sub.

I’ll attempt to catch up this afternoon since I’m post call today.

What’s the Tl;dr of the game state currently?
Sloonei's 2544 on the prior page is a good summary of the Zenge/falcon stuff.

Before I feel guilty for making anyone read that entire thing, most of the content of my massive Falcon ISO can be skimmed or ignored. I encourage people to read any parts of it that they find pertinent. But most of the content is there for my own sake, and I don't intend for it to be read in its entirety.

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