The Syndicate

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 5:08 am @sig i do have one question, a common theme in your iso is tinfoiling spf and keep bringing her name up every day phase saying she should die later in the game, but you've never expressed your reason of concerns that go along with that statement

can you say why you keep re-iterating it? have you spotted anything off about her? or some other reason?

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Mon May 15, 2023 10:42 pm I'm not fully opposed to chopping Dennis today if that will save my stronger townread SPF. I'd like to feel more confident.
@sig you're convinced Dennis is in his scum meta. What would you say to those on the fence?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 9:19 pm

sig wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 10:02 am PSV, Dennis, SPF seem to be a good pool.

can u explain your concerns about PSV to me?

Neon wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 6:51 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 3:42 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 3:40 pm Okay so I'm top wagon which is CRINGE but I'm still struggling to see why I'm being voted, unless it is purely my votes being bad and looking bus-like(which admittedly they are)

If someone could put that into like one post or something, that would be great

Currently I'd be down to chop like, psv/pyxxy/six is kind of my remaining poe

mfw someone's gonna call this a slip when I mean I can understand the perspective

This is a slip

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 6:01 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 5:41 pm

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 5:38 pm

SixStrings wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 5:25 pm Can i ask why we arent just following Kate since she was right both days? ...and then they killed her to boot.

honestly think this might be the way to go
sometimes you just have to sheep

unless someone gives a really compelling case on someone else

but like

Kate already got falcon killed

she always dies for that anyway, so I don't see how we can make the logical leap that she also died because she's right about SPF

or at least I would prefer if people did their own research on SPF

I'm not saying she died because she's right on SPF and that her death justifies pushing her legacy read because as you said, pushing Seanzie and falcon was enough to kill her

I just think there's a good chance she's right again because while I may not agree with some of the reasons she put forward for scumreading SPF, I didn't wasn't really convinced on falcon either (I'm just glad I didn't try to save them)

also since the rest of the team is Seanzie and falcon, I think SPF and Neon are the two people I can see killing Camilla N1 most over everyone else

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 1:17 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 12:20 am but honestly, full transparency, right now i am kind of feeling like the exact way to win the game is to eliminate me, pyxxy, and sig in whatever order. i struggle to see any of the other names being mafia right now, and my reasons to townread them feel good to me

so if anyone here thinks that im misclearing any of ted/neon/psv/dennis, then i really need you to speak up and help me see it

I pretty much endorse this

I just skimmed all your posts and I'm willing to order it:

sig -> pyxxy (myself) -> spf (yourself).....maybe psv?

mostly because I think it's important to create a very broad towncore and force the last scum to keep killing within it

this has partially been why I acted the way I did last day. I was pretty clear early on that I wanted real wagons, we got real wagons, and now Dennis is clear

truly though I do regret not being around for EOD D1, feels like me being null there is the biggest hinderance to solving my slot :/

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 11:24 am

sig wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 11:23 am

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 3:20 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 12:08 am trustfall:

so, for those of you who are uninitiated, the premise behind a trustfall is simply to “name the best reasons you can think of the call a player town”.

i do mental trustfalls in pretty much every game i play, but i feel like the gamestate right now kind of necessitates me thinking out loud and sharing that process as transparently as possible

so, let’s get started:

dennis

-he had a towny reaction to being potentially eliminated yesterday - continuing to post as normal and seeming to take the elimination in stride, when if dennis was the final maf, i would expect him to be a bit more panicked/concerned? his post at p#1732 looks like a villager who realizes he should stop talking bcuz he might be dead, and not like a wolf who is worried that the game is about to come to an end

-what benefit does dennis have to defend me as a wolf yesterday? i don’t see a clear one. if dennis is mafia, then he has the easiest excuse in the world to push on me. kate died and she was convinced i was mafia. sixstrings was confident i was mafia too. why not just go the path of least resistance and sheep his family?

if dennis is mafia, then he would need to be playing from the perspective that he has to secure as many miseliminations as possible. bearing that in mind, it would have probably been a lot easier for dennis to get me eliminated first followed by sixstrings, instead of the other way around. i would have (likely) died with sixstrings in my immediate POE, and sixstrings would look bad after i flipped town. so, again, why not just vote me out and then use my elimination as an excuse to get sixstrings voted out the next day? that’s two miseliminations right there!

so in short, i’m struggling to see why dennis goes out of his way to make the game harder for himself in a world where he’s mafia

neon

-to put it as simply as possible, it does not feel to me like neon had TMI of falcon’s alignment. she went out of her way to defend him and call him a likely town flip, even at a point when falcon had seemed to have given up on saving himself

there is no real strategic incentive that i can see for neon defending falcon in the way that she did, and i think that her defense of falcon particularly makes sense in the context of falcon seeming to play in a way that was intended to manipulate neon’s meta on him (ie: the super pockety posts he made toward her, and the way neon expressed the sentiment that falcon might not be so bold as to try to pocket her 2 games in a row)

-the specific way that neon defended falcon aligns with the exact meta that ive seen in the last 2 games ive played with her (ie: neon has a tendency to passionately defend players she thinks are being treated/pushed unfairly), and idk if she would go out of her way to replicate this meta as a wolf unless her goal was to pocket just specifically me

-p#102 from seanzie (the post where seanzie is like: “i believe that SPF is telling the truth about mafia, and i think you do too”) is a weird post to make toward your own partner, because it feels a bit …like gaslighting in a sense? the wording of the post comes off as rather manipulative and i struggle to understand what the train of thought behind that post was if seanzie/neon were W/W, whereas it’s easy for me to see why seanzie would make that post if neon is town and he wanted to convince her that i’m mafia

-the way falcon talked about neon on p#271, p#275, and p#337 (and other posts, but those feel like the big ones to me) all feel a bit like TMI of her alignment

hard to imagine falcon going out of his way to hard townread his partner in the early stages of the game, but easy to imagine falcon trying to pocket neon in the early stages of the game by talking about how towny she is

-the way falcon sheeped neon on psv felt a bit like a wolf piggybacking off of a villagers incorrect push as opposed to a wolf sheeping another wolf

-super small point, but i like that neon essentially gave a non-answer on p#75 when she was asked to explain her townread on falcon, (Ie: “vibes”), when wolves who are TRing their partners or trying to powerwolf tend to be a bit more overly explanatory, in my experience

potentialsheltervet

-seanzie’s treatment of psv arguably spews PSV as town. for example:

1. i find it kind of difficult to imagine seanzie going out of his way to dunk on his partner as soon as the game starts (p#61)

2. ………if seanzie went out of his way to dunk on his partner as soon as the game starts, why not commit to distancing from her? why do this really awkward shift where you start acting cloying toward her and talk about how her responses have been towny? (ie: p#191, p#296, p#452

3. it’s kind of easy for me to see seanzie pushing on PSV at the start of the game as a way to “anchor” himself into the game or produce content, and then backing off once he saw that PSV was pushing on him for it and that he wanted to catch less heat. it’s a little harder for me to understand why seanzie would open the game by distancing from his partner, only to change his mind rather awkwardly and abruptly

-falcon pushing on PSV with neon reads a bit like a wolf trying to find an easy name to push on, though this is a more minor point since his push on her was ultimately fairly limited

-idk if psv would be so bold as to townread both of her partners toward the beginning of the game at p#277

-it was easy to see the writing on the wall that falcon was going to die on d2, but PSV played in a way that gave her zero towncred from his flip. i would expect a wolf on d2 to distance a bit from falcon at least a little bit or call him null or something, but PSV outright said he was town and that she didn’t want to vote for him. again, this is a counter intuitive way for PSV to treat falcon if they are W/W and she is preparing to solo endgame

-psv has felt like one of most invested/solvey players over the last dayphase or so. this isn’t super town indicative since maf are capable of being invested too, but i kind of anticipate maf would feel a bit demotivated here, and i dont sense that in psv’s play

pyxxy

-it’s a bit towny in a vacuum that pyxxy called out falcon on p#503 and that he seemed actively suspicious of him in the early game before most players were. if falcon and pyxxy are W/W and pyxxy was trying to distance from him, not totally sure why he would switch his read on falcon on d2 so abruptly

-there are some micro towntells i’ve picked up on from pyxxy, like his handling of camilia on d1, or him saying that he should be POE’d below sig,

sig

-i like sig coming right out of the gate pushing on falcon on d2 on p#1169, when a wolf might be more reluctant to hardbus their remaining partner at that stage

-at a very base level, i think that sig’s posts are good. i have townread him whenever i see him posting in the thread in realtime, because his posts seem to indicate a high depth of thought and i generally find it easy to understand his conclusions even if i disagree with them. (ie: based on this analysis, i think the 3 person POE he’s pushing of myself/psv/dennis is likely wrong, but i can believe that he believes in it)

i also found it towny that he said he was purposely withholding some of his thoughts on p#1497 bcuz he wanted to let the day play out, and i think it’s difficult for wolves to come up with posts like that organically

it’s difficult to know how much weight to put into this, because i don’t have a good feel for how wide sig’s scumrange is, but it’s something on my mind regardless

tedxtr

falcon pushed on ted and voted for him rather abruptly on p#922 and p#923, and i kind of think this might be clearing for ted

that’s because at the time, falcon was the leading wagon (to my memory) and one of the main contenders for elimination. ted was one of the other leading candidates for miselimination at the time, and i had my vote parked on him

so,, falcon abruptly jumping on ted after barely mentioning him and then pushing on him with some posts that feel quite explicitly “bad faith” reads to me more like a wolf who is trying to find an excuse to get a villager miseliminated and self-preserve, as opposed to a wolf who is bussing another wolf

if falcon was bussing ted, i would expect their dynamic to play out a bit differently from how it did. for one, i think that ted would have probably made a bigger show out of his push on falcon instead of just saying: “is falcon still in his wolf meta?” and parking his vote on him once he got a “yes” answer, and i think that falcon would have proly tried to make his push look more aggressive/clearing for ted instead of just pushing on him in the laziest/most opportunistic way possible

-super minor point, but there was a point on d1 when ted and falcon were both parked on psv together (which kate pointed out on p#562), and i tend to think that wolves are generally cautious about parking on wagons together and try to distance by voting for different players, esp on d1 when voting with each other is almost never necessary

-another smaller point, but ted’s solving has just consistently felt “real” to me in a way that scum solving usually does not, such as his conviction on PSV being mafia and the way he has gravitated back and forth toward pursuing his read on her to losing confidence in it, or his hedginess about who should die at the end of yesterday, or even the way he questioned me about why i was interrogating kate at the end of d3

i know things are rlly quiet today but i would super appreciate thoughts on any of the reads I gave her

Okay just read this and I do see some of the points.


I’ll give Pyxxy a quick ISO and see if I agree with you here. I’d be willing to push Dennis off a phase depending on what I see.


Final 3 would maybe include Pyxxy after this read but like I said I wanna check him first

I'm used to having reactions that sadly don't exist over here, but this pleases me greatly.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 11:21 am

sig wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 11:19 am I’m also not changing my read no matter what anyone says I was right last game and was ignored and he flipped mafia. So I’m sticking to my read unless there’s a green check which doesn’t exist

Okay well, would you please at minimum review his conduct when it was tied between him and Six and report back?

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 3:20 pm

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 12:08 am trustfall:

so, for those of you who are uninitiated, the premise behind a trustfall is simply to “name the best reasons you can think of the call a player town”.

i do mental trustfalls in pretty much every game i play, but i feel like the gamestate right now kind of necessitates me thinking out loud and sharing that process as transparently as possible

so, let’s get started:

dennis

-he had a towny reaction to being potentially eliminated yesterday - continuing to post as normal and seeming to take the elimination in stride, when if dennis was the final maf, i would expect him to be a bit more panicked/concerned? his post at p#1732 looks like a villager who realizes he should stop talking bcuz he might be dead, and not like a wolf who is worried that the game is about to come to an end

-what benefit does dennis have to defend me as a wolf yesterday? i don’t see a clear one. if dennis is mafia, then he has the easiest excuse in the world to push on me. kate died and she was convinced i was mafia. sixstrings was confident i was mafia too. why not just go the path of least resistance and sheep his family?

if dennis is mafia, then he would need to be playing from the perspective that he has to secure as many miseliminations as possible. bearing that in mind, it would have probably been a lot easier for dennis to get me eliminated first followed by sixstrings, instead of the other way around. i would have (likely) died with sixstrings in my immediate POE, and sixstrings would look bad after i flipped town. so, again, why not just vote me out and then use my elimination as an excuse to get sixstrings voted out the next day? that’s two miseliminations right there!

so in short, i’m struggling to see why dennis goes out of his way to make the game harder for himself in a world where he’s mafia

neon

-to put it as simply as possible, it does not feel to me like neon had TMI of falcon’s alignment. she went out of her way to defend him and call him a likely town flip, even at a point when falcon had seemed to have given up on saving himself

there is no real strategic incentive that i can see for neon defending falcon in the way that she did, and i think that her defense of falcon particularly makes sense in the context of falcon seeming to play in a way that was intended to manipulate neon’s meta on him (ie: the super pockety posts he made toward her, and the way neon expressed the sentiment that falcon might not be so bold as to try to pocket her 2 games in a row)

-the specific way that neon defended falcon aligns with the exact meta that ive seen in the last 2 games ive played with her (ie: neon has a tendency to passionately defend players she thinks are being treated/pushed unfairly), and idk if she would go out of her way to replicate this meta as a wolf unless her goal was to pocket just specifically me

-p#102 from seanzie (the post where seanzie is like: “i believe that SPF is telling the truth about mafia, and i think you do too”) is a weird post to make toward your own partner, because it feels a bit …like gaslighting in a sense? the wording of the post comes off as rather manipulative and i struggle to understand what the train of thought behind that post was if seanzie/neon were W/W, whereas it’s easy for me to see why seanzie would make that post if neon is town and he wanted to convince her that i’m mafia

-the way falcon talked about neon on p#271, p#275, and p#337 (and other posts, but those feel like the big ones to me) all feel a bit like TMI of her alignment

hard to imagine falcon going out of his way to hard townread his partner in the early stages of the game, but easy to imagine falcon trying to pocket neon in the early stages of the game by talking about how towny she is

-the way falcon sheeped neon on psv felt a bit like a wolf piggybacking off of a villagers incorrect push as opposed to a wolf sheeping another wolf

-super small point, but i like that neon essentially gave a non-answer on p#75 when she was asked to explain her townread on falcon, (Ie: “vibes”), when wolves who are TRing their partners or trying to powerwolf tend to be a bit more overly explanatory, in my experience

potentialsheltervet

-seanzie’s treatment of psv arguably spews PSV as town. for example:

1. i find it kind of difficult to imagine seanzie going out of his way to dunk on his partner as soon as the game starts (p#61)

2. ………if seanzie went out of his way to dunk on his partner as soon as the game starts, why not commit to distancing from her? why do this really awkward shift where you start acting cloying toward her and talk about how her responses have been towny? (ie: p#191, p#296, p#452

3. it’s kind of easy for me to see seanzie pushing on PSV at the start of the game as a way to “anchor” himself into the game or produce content, and then backing off once he saw that PSV was pushing on him for it and that he wanted to catch less heat. it’s a little harder for me to understand why seanzie would open the game by distancing from his partner, only to change his mind rather awkwardly and abruptly

-falcon pushing on PSV with neon reads a bit like a wolf trying to find an easy name to push on, though this is a more minor point since his push on her was ultimately fairly limited

-idk if psv would be so bold as to townread both of her partners toward the beginning of the game at p#277

-it was easy to see the writing on the wall that falcon was going to die on d2, but PSV played in a way that gave her zero towncred from his flip. i would expect a wolf on d2 to distance a bit from falcon at least a little bit or call him null or something, but PSV outright said he was town and that she didn’t want to vote for him. again, this is a counter intuitive way for PSV to treat falcon if they are W/W and she is preparing to solo endgame

-psv has felt like one of most invested/solvey players over the last dayphase or so. this isn’t super town indicative since maf are capable of being invested too, but i kind of anticipate maf would feel a bit demotivated here, and i dont sense that in psv’s play

pyxxy

-it’s a bit towny in a vacuum that pyxxy called out falcon on p#503 and that he seemed actively suspicious of him in the early game before most players were. if falcon and pyxxy are W/W and pyxxy was trying to distance from him, not totally sure why he would switch his read on falcon on d2 so abruptly

-there are some micro towntells i’ve picked up on from pyxxy, like his handling of camilia on d1, or him saying that he should be POE’d below sig,

sig

-i like sig coming right out of the gate pushing on falcon on d2 on p#1169, when a wolf might be more reluctant to hardbus their remaining partner at that stage

-at a very base level, i think that sig’s posts are good. i have townread him whenever i see him posting in the thread in realtime, because his posts seem to indicate a high depth of thought and i generally find it easy to understand his conclusions even if i disagree with them. (ie: based on this analysis, i think the 3 person POE he’s pushing of myself/psv/dennis is likely wrong, but i can believe that he believes in it)

i also found it towny that he said he was purposely withholding some of his thoughts on p#1497 bcuz he wanted to let the day play out, and i think it’s difficult for wolves to come up with posts like that organically

it’s difficult to know how much weight to put into this, because i don’t have a good feel for how wide sig’s scumrange is, but it’s something on my mind regardless

tedxtr

falcon pushed on ted and voted for him rather abruptly on p#922 and p#923, and i kind of think this might be clearing for ted

that’s because at the time, falcon was the leading wagon (to my memory) and one of the main contenders for elimination. ted was one of the other leading candidates for miselimination at the time, and i had my vote parked on him

so,, falcon abruptly jumping on ted after barely mentioning him and then pushing on him with some posts that feel quite explicitly “bad faith” reads to me more like a wolf who is trying to find an excuse to get a villager miseliminated and self-preserve, as opposed to a wolf who is bussing another wolf

if falcon was bussing ted, i would expect their dynamic to play out a bit differently from how it did. for one, i think that ted would have probably made a bigger show out of his push on falcon instead of just saying: “is falcon still in his wolf meta?” and parking his vote on him once he got a “yes” answer, and i think that falcon would have proly tried to make his push look more aggressive/clearing for ted instead of just pushing on him in the laziest/most opportunistic way possible

-super minor point, but there was a point on d1 when ted and falcon were both parked on psv together (which kate pointed out on p#562), and i tend to think that wolves are generally cautious about parking on wagons together and try to distance by voting for different players, esp on d1 when voting with each other is almost never necessary

-another smaller point, but ted’s solving has just consistently felt “real” to me in a way that scum solving usually does not, such as his conviction on PSV being mafia and the way he has gravitated back and forth toward pursuing his read on her to losing confidence in it, or his hedginess about who should die at the end of yesterday, or even the way he questioned me about why i was interrogating kate at the end of d3

i know things are rlly quiet today but i would super appreciate thoughts on any of the reads I gave her

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 11:18 am
@sig You didn't actually respond to SPF's reasons to townread Dennis. Or her remarks on pyxxy. You came in here, asserted you're right, and then ghosted again.

Dennis wrote: ↑Thu May 11, 2023 3:47 pm Dude the wolf is just gonna be something annoying like sig literally watch this happen

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 12:39 pm Feels a bit like a shrug yeet but meh. Also, we should stop telling the mafia who to NK in the thread because now it's hard to read into the lemonfairy kill more than "3 people said she was obvitown" and if I did get NK'd, then there would be no analysis too

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun May 14, 2023 10:57 am Pyxxy I have no super strong feels either way, but somewhere along the line I decided I was townreading him

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 10:49 pm @pyxxy If you're town, your absence isn't going to convince anyone to move off of you. Come back and be towny.

potentialsheltervet wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 10:48 pm kicks thread violently
We need town consensus on sig and pyxxy. So @sig why dennis over pyxxy?
@Dennis why sig other than omgus?
Does anyone have strong reasons to town read pyxxy?
Does anyone have strong reasons to scum read sig?

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 3:09 pm Coming in and omgusing me isn't the best look in my opinion

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat May 13, 2023 12:39 pm Feels a bit like a shrug yeet but meh. Also, we should stop telling the mafia who to NK in the thread because now it's hard to read into the lemonfairy kill more than "3 people said she was obvitown" and if I did get NK'd, then there would be no analysis too

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 2:11 am

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 10:47 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 10:46 am There is no reason to clear Six based off anyone's flip

I would agree

possibly a dumb read but i think this specific exchange between dennis and falcon could be a good look for dennis

at the time, dennis had already voiced his support for killing falcon, and he was actively voting for him and sheeping kate's read on him

so if dennis is mafia, he would have already fully committed to bussing falcon at the time that he made this post. so, why make this post at all? why signal boost a read that your partner is making when dennis would surely want to create distance between falcon and himself?

i understand that it's a small point, but something im thinking about regardless

Neon wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 10:40 am

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 8:55 am like individually, I don't really scumread SPF
and until last EOD, I trusted SPF more than anyone else in this thread

but I also didn't scumread Seanzie and I wasn't very convinced on falcon but both flipped scum
SPF is also a way spicier vote and I kind of like that

Wolfy post milord

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Wed May 10, 2023 2:21 am

sig wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 1:08 pm This is gonna be a general D1 vomit thought post so have fun reading it.

Lemon Random vote on Sean a good look.

SPF vs Camille is a bad look for SPF. We'll see how this develops as I catch up.

PSV D1 push on the low posters is a bad look.

Pyxxy is looking good even with their Six vote. I'll be a bit unhappy if they end D1 with that. Buuuuuut, I will accept the pocket.

SPF random vote for Sean is a good look and I'm taking back my prior thought on the SPF/Camille debate. Also I just saw i'm spelling camilia Name wrong. oops too late to fix is and they're dead so like

D1 thoughts.

there's alot of chatter that didn't really stick out to me. granted I'm doing a quicker skim here but still.

I think the following players need to be ISO'd
SPF
PSV (?)
Sean (obviously)
Ted (I don't see a vote count, but he's the second wagon right?)
Dennis
Falcon

Off the top of my head the first 3 to vote Sean, being SPF, Neon, and Kate look good. Dennis I'm iffy on as a whole so there's some bias for his switch.

Lemon, Kate, Pyxxy, Neon, Six, and SPF are all people I'd not vote for D2 based off D1

Lemon, kate, neon, and Pyxxy are town reads.
Six and SPF both are looking to be good, but I know SPF has the ability to deep wolf so they aren't cleared yet.

Ted I need to ISO, but given he was the counterwagon it's a good look and I likely won't be voting their today.

I'm eyeballing.
1. PSV for their low poster/no poster push + general vibes.
2. Dennis for his posting style and defense of kate I need to
3. Falcon for being well within his scum range.

I'll be rereading through these 3 for sure.

would be kind of wild for sig, as mafia with one partner down, to come into d2 throwing his under partner under the bus and actively POE him but idk

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 5:33 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 5:21 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 5:15 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 5:45 pm

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 12:43 pm @sig you've got one job and one job only

sig wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 5:58 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 3:50 pm

I'm not gonna argue with this but I will post the question, do you really think I would try the same thing 2 games in a row, knowing my previous mafia partners are in this game

Classic wifom I think

I don’t think you’re skilled enough at mafia yet to think about it ahead of time nor do I think you’ve got the ability to shift your meta that much yet game to game.

So yea I do think a mafia Dennis would use that as a reason to throw out a ping

(ed note: This quote is from a different previous game of Mafia, it is NOT from this current game)

^Does your reasoning for scumreading Dennis in Tongue-Tied mafia carry over to this Dennis quote below?

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 2:23 am I'm not terribly opposed to a pyxxy vote

I think that post with the "hey pls leave a legacy" is kind of pockety and trying to be like "heeeey pal so tr me before u die k thanks bye bye"

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

How does his suspicion in that game carry over to this one

I was asking for a comparison (which sig provided)

It was more like

You know how your teachers reuse the same rubric for the same project across multiple years?

I was just asking sig if he felt like a method for how he caught you once before would apply again here

What method then

Like the one where I'm new and don't think ahead? Cause 1. That was used for distancing (first game I used to have a susp on neon, that game me and neon were bad so I thought it would make nice distancing and it did) and 2. What exactly would he be using this rubric/method/whatever for in THIS game, exactly

no no I'm giving you more credit than that

it's where you said "do you really think I would try the same thing 2 games in a row, knowing my previous mafia partners are in this game

Classic wifom I think"

in classic pyxxy fashion it made more sense in my head when I posted it, but like, it was more the idea that you would have.....not scum tells, but scum patterns, or at least be willing to reuse previously effective scum tools

in this case the tool I was asking sig about was "I think he’s trying to create reasons to mafia read someone" because after I zoinked you as mafia twice back to back....lost my train of thought again :/

I went back and all sig said was "Yes" so....thought I was gonna get more help there but rip

TLDR: yes I absolutely think you would do the same thing as scum two games in a row, but not because you're new; because it worked/works

and when I went and read your ISO in tongue-tied so that I could figure out your scum game, this way that you post sometimes in like a....it's almost third person voice?

I don't think the tone is scummy but it's akin to how one must read Zenon/Neon. Gotta look at the motivations. And at the time I was open to thinking that maybe you would try to wagon me instead of falcon.

But you didn't soooooooo this all might be moot now

Neon wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 2:35 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 2:32 pm

Neon wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 2:07 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 2:03 pm I'd also readd Neon to the POE just based off Camilla N1 reads, but would likely not want to vote their today

Why she changed the read by end of night why would I kill her.

Given that you still got an immediate post D1 mention I’d say it’s enough to have you be in the POE, but not an option for D2

Self meta but I never kill Camilla lol

Kate wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 2:22 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 2:02 pm I'm fully caught up.

Falcon, PSV, Dennis, and maybe Ted(?) are my four

I don't think Ted/Falcon or Pyxxy/Falcon are W/W if Falcon is mafia both are cleared. But, I also have no idea why I just wrote that about Pyxxy.

PSV and SPF I need to ISO.

Camilla while being a solid Civ wasn't the only one so that points to one of her legacy reads being correct.

I disagree with the people who say a teammate wouldn't bus D1/D2. If you have a clear mafia read then I could see it. For example, in this case Falcon is nearly a consensus of the strong town reads at the moment, so I could see a bus there. D1 a bus could happen if you got caught up in the moment.

I wouldn't clear Six, but they're still new and playing the same way they did as town.

I don't see psv or ted. Dennis mayyyybe but I really don't think so.

Neon wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 2:07 pm

sig wrote: ↑Mon May 08, 2023 2:03 pm I'd also readd Neon to the POE just based off Camilla N1 reads, but would likely not want to vote their today

Why she changed the read by end of night why would I kill her.

Camilla wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 5:05 pm So yh.

I'd say that the first four voters on Seanzie are always pure and Zenon's vote on him was a huge red flag since she tends to bus a lot and it feels like her EoD was fairly frozen.

I'll look back to her interaction with Seanzie as I feel like PSV/Seanzie are fairy unaligned, so my towncore for d2 would be me/SPF/Dennis/Lemon/Kate/PSV.

Remainder are Zenon/Falco/Tedd plus the two slankers. I don't think Pyxxy is wolfing regardless of his lack of interaction with Seanzie.

Kate wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 10:03 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 10:03 pm

Lemonfairy wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 10:01 pm side note
falcon/Ted are crossvoting and there's 2 people on both

doesn't really make me think they're w/w
like ok, maybe they could be distancing but it's only D2 and their scumpartner just got elimmed
voting each other is not really the best move rn if they're a team

Why? One of them is likely going down today. If they're teammate was on the other wagon, especially early wouldn't that look pretty townie?

Omg. Their***

Kate wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 6:45 pm
Plus I don't think Sig would kill Camilla n1 either, but he definitely would kill me

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 12:43 pm @sig you've got one job and one job only

sig wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 5:58 pm

Dennis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 3:50 pm

sig wrote: ↑Tue Mar 28, 2023 2:39 pm Wow dead thread is dead

I’d like @pyxxy to explain their reads

And until then I’m comfortable on Dennis.

I think he’s trying to create reasons to mafia read someone hence the Neon read.

This read is especially illogical since we all just finished a post cap game where Neon was civ and did the same excat thing so it makes zero sense for why it would be suspicious now.

I think he’s also having difficulty maneuvering around Wilgy since he has TMI

I'm not gonna argue with this but I will post the question, do you really think I would try the same thing 2 games in a row, knowing my previous mafia partners are in this game

Classic wifom I think

I don’t think you’re skilled enough at mafia yet to think about it ahead of time nor do I think you’ve got the ability to shift your meta that much yet game to game.

So yea I do think a mafia Dennis would use that as a reason to throw out a ping

(ed note: This quote is from a different previous game of Mafia, it is NOT from this current game)

^Does your reasoning for scumreading Dennis in Tongue-Tied mafia carry over to this Dennis quote below?

Dennis wrote: ↑Sun May 07, 2023 2:23 am I'm not terribly opposed to a pyxxy vote

I think that post with the "hey pls leave a legacy" is kind of pockety and trying to be like "heeeey pal so tr me before u die k thanks bye bye"

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

Kate wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 7:45 pm Falcon
Lemon
Neon
Pyxxy

Poe, thoughts?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 5:37 pm Does falcon still have that meta where if he doesn’t do anything he’s a wolf and if he puts in some effort he’s a villa?

Might just vote him if that’s the case, but i’m not sure

Kate wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 5:48 pm

sig wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 5:20 pm I’m not dead. Was just ridiculously busy with work + army. I’ll be around somewhat tonight/tomorrow but at army so don’t expect much. I should be into normal swing by Monday so yay.

I did a quick skim to see who died. Good job team on mafia booo that a newbie was killed.

Quick fire thought?

1. Who has played with Camille before since I’m assuming this was first game for them here.

2. I’m cleaning Kate for the kill no other reaosns. Since not caught up. I don’t think she’d have signed off on a new player death N1

Funny that you say this. I was about to bring up who may or may not have killed her based on her status as a first time TS player but I wasn't sure if I could do that. I posed it to one of the hosts and have gotten the OK.

So, I ask the entire group, which of you have played with Camilla before and does anyone know if she goes by any other names?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat May 06, 2023 2:30 am @sig no rush to reappear this is just a pleasant poke since nights are apparently open in this game

you'll have a pure opinion of the EOD Seanzie wagon and how it formed, if you're up for some reading, and I would be curious to see who you townclear/lock/read from your perspective

invitation duplicated for @SixStrings

Camilla wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 6:10 pm

Kate wrote: ↑Fri May 05, 2023 6:07 pm Do we have a screenshot of the poll?

I think it was me/you/PSV/Six were on Ted's wagon, Falcon/Ted were on PSV's wagon, SPF/Lemon were on Seanzie's wagon then we both went to Seanzie's wagon and then Zenon and Dennis piled on it. Pyxxy was on Six's wagon and Seanzie was on your wagon and neither of them were on during the EoD.