The Syndicate

Conclusion - LoRab likely just town. This is, however, still decently influenced by my Robyn read.

LoRab

LoRab wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 12:13 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:53 pm Good thoughts, LoRab! Welcome to the game.

What kind of strategy were you thinking? Someone suggested putting up one (town) player to try and boost their power, and one (wolf) player to eliminate... but that plan has an obvious downside, were we to pick the wrong song. Who suggested that? Suspicious.
I'm not sure. But I think it should be discussed. I don't remember who suggested that plan...but I'm not sure putting it out there to be discussed is a bad thing. I think we should all have a conversation about how to decide who to put up. I'm trying to think through a strategy that the baddies couldn't manipulate to their advantage.

I also don't remember who said that they'd probably be weird (not their word but I can't remember the word they used) and try to figure out who chose each video. I don't think that's weird at all. I mean, really--it's kind of how the game is set up. That's why we can't hint at our songs...and I can't see a strategy that doesn't involve figuring out whose music is whose once the battle begins.

Also adding, I would have likely voted for Robyn on Day 1--her reaction to being suspected, especially towards LA, was harsh--in a cornered animal kind of way. Also, she didn't seem happy in the game--in the way that many in this wave of players seem to not like being mafia (also, what's up with that?) My not being that way was one of the ways she suspected me in Ted Lasso. And her refusal to answer any suspicion really sat wrong with me. No idea where her allegiance is (or was), but my gut says not civvie.

Only real substantial post, but the timing of it is good in the fact that if Robyn flips town we can basically put LoRab down as townfirmed. Robyn is dead, we know Robyn is dead, we don't know alignment, but for LoRab to come in after the fact and be like "Robyn is Wolfy" where they could be wrong when it doesn't matter, is not something a wolf would make possible. It's not a necessary risk.

Now if Robyn is wolf, we'd need more from LoRab to see if this isn't just some sort of easy credit yoink.

(Also it was me, I brought up the discussion on who we should send to the battle to see what people advised, I'll pretty much remain going in my wolf reads though regardless)

Abi conclusion - town lean. Let them cook and let's see where they get to.

Let's do some reads before EoN. This will be post ISO skims.

Abi - Feels pretty normal, where the wolf range and town range are blurred as Abi's ability to town read players comes across easily as tmi. I'd say the lean towards town Abi seems to lay in some of the questions/discussions they are making as there's more semblance of processing their tr's rather than utilizing them.

I will advise that there seems to be hesitation on the town reads that seems to be somewhat similar to the threads momentum and that's worth note:

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 2:37 pm Robyn is now doing the thing I thought wolf robyn would do like wut

Two players had voted Robyn prior to this one

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:10 am I maybe town cored Nutella to fast and I need to stop doing that but I'm not changing it now

This one is exception, there's not a momentum shift when this post happens.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:45 am Also I agree with sheep that Wilgy feels weird

and this one follows multiple voices declaring the same.

From a town perspective, there's nothing wrong with reassessment on reads, and the "yeah I agree" does happen.

From a wolf perspective, Abi is responding to momentum to keep their PoE open.

I think the only way to tell with this one is through assoc and effort. Abi should be able to find a pelt assuming they are town. The TRs being tmi will inevitably show if Abi is wolf as long as we keep an eye open to it.

Abi holds a dichotomy with SPF and Porscha against Sheep.

Worth noting that Abi has not mentioned Pyx outside of hellos yet voted for the slot.

PA, SPF, and Porscha have now all given the Sheep thumbs up.

I suppose one of these reads must be real, so I'll take that with a grain of salt, but as the wiggly one says "yikes."

I agree with everyone that Wilgy feels weird.

By which Wilgy feels weird that everyone is like "Wilgy feels weird" and just drops it at that.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 10:44 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 6:43 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:15 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 1:38 am okay great sheep is also a wolf
I highly disagree
I don't see how this is a town slot. Please elaborate.
Right so what I did was I read the post and went. Why does a wolf post this? And I decided uh they don't?

Than I thought what about town? And I thought oh they do

So than I told you your read is wrong

I suppose we just disagree then.

I really felt like a wolfy pop in where the wolf doesn't know where they should push. They know they should, but not how.

1st post is like "I'm definitely here and will do things, but not really and I'll absolve myself of responsibility in the same post" then the posts after are on you and Robyn who's dead, then back to me, without saying anything other than "let's discredit some discussion."

As janky and flimsy I found LC's rational to be, at least it was presented as coming from something that was remotely alignment indicative.

Sheep stated the gth was useless while strictly quoting the person prompting others to gth and not even bothering with the actual results or responses. That's just sketchy as hell to me.

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 6:33 am i'm gonna scream maybe my reads are just fucking ass idgi

Idk. I saw sheep give a wolf read over something that's strictly nai and then discourage the discussion I presented. I really don't see how I'm supposed to see that as not gross so I'm right there with you.

staypositivefriend wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 6:19 am oh sheep has been towny on this page too

You as well. Please elaborate.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 3:15 am
Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 1:38 am okay great sheep is also a wolf
I highly disagree

I don't see how this is a town slot. Please elaborate.

Porscha wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 1:38 am okay great sheep is also a wolf

Aye seems so.

I think it was Robyn that advised they were polarized. Unfortunate they wont be here to chime in.

If it's 3 wolves (4 misyeeter I think in a 13 man setup), could just be Pyxxy, Sheep and one of the more AFK players if not Nut or LC.

PoE and order feels like Pyxxy > Sheep > AFK slots > LC > Nut

Sheep wrote: ↑Fri Jan 05, 2024 12:45 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 4:51 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 4:48 pm Abi
SPF
Wilgy
No
No
Yes
i like how wilgy does gth reads on the playerlist but slowly
(these are like utterly useless to me which makes me wolfread wilgy but i've reached the "i can't make reads" point of the night so hf)

ew, a wr based on the timing of a player rather than the content. Kinda gross.

Further, by all means attempt to run these yourself if you'd like.

I know I could've gone down the list and put yes no in one post next to everyone where you have no context of the time I spent thinking on it, but I'm pretty sure gth to the group is more about the responses you get.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 10:59 pm Don't try to lawyer your way out of it now.

I see.

Alright well if you don't desire for me to actually solve you, I'll move on.

And I guess what's even weirder to me, why Nutella and I specifically, when players like Cape, Abi or Sheep also advocated negative reads on your slot?

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 9:56 pm You all were extremely agreeable that Long Con was a Wolf, and yet your vote ended up snuggled up with the others on pyxxy. Cool universal Wolf read, guys, really looks almost real, but you didn't stick the landing. BLNT

So, if I have multiple wolf reads, or even better a PoE (as I don't think you're inherently wolfy, I do think you've not shown town like the removed players), do you expect me to not advocate where my PoE lies while still voting the person I find scummiest?

I suppose my confusion is where do you think to find my alignment in this? What of me doing this points me to either wolfy or townie?

Actually @Long Con I just reviewed Nut around the time they voted Robyn and I'm fairly confused where they "didn't stick to their gun" too lol

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 7:59 pm Wilgy, nutella, and a few others are on the scumreads for not sticking to their supposed guns.

When did I not stick to my guns?

Pyx joined the game did a lotta squatta and was very wolfy in the sense that they were here but effectively did little to no solving. I'm used to Pyx chaos posting and getting lost in their own solve and that just wasn't present.

Like damn, I forgot to start with Like in that last one.

And also lol, what happens if a wolf just has excellent taste? Do we keep yeeting them, watch them win, then repeat?

Like, I think Pyxxy was a good submission because they wolfy, but now they are wolfy AND will have some unknown bonus

Like, further, there's a thing we PROBABLY should've discussed before EoD and it's how to handle the battle and who gets bonuses.

Like, is it better to send someone who we think Is town and someone who we think is wolf and hope that the townie player has a better musical taste?

Porscha wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 6:17 pm until I am told otherwise I will be talking about how long con is a wolf

I am in agreement.

Agreement with talking that is.

Not necessarily sold on LC but I do agree that LC/Pyx being top two would've been more optimal.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:48 pm oh i guess we're supposed to be allowed to post? for the voting thing but there isn't a real vote so lol

Yeah, I think to discuss the track and related.

@Epignosis are we allowed to discuss the game aspects as well, or should night discussion focus strictly on submitted tracks?

I don't think Spaceship is my jam.

Unfortunate Robyn missed.

Porscha

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 4:55 pm Robyn
Cape
Pyx

No
No
Yes

Robyn
Cape
Pyx

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 4:48 pm Abi
SPF
Wilgy

No
No
Yes

Abi
SPF
Wilgy

robyn wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 4:45 pm nutella what’s your cape read?

Is this exploratory omgus or something else?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 4:37 pm LoRab
Nut
Sheep

No
No
No

LoRab
Nut
Sheep

TSP no
Falc no
LC yes

Let's play a game of would you vote.

I give names, y'all say if you'd vote or not.

TSP
Falc
LC

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 4:26 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 3:40 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 2:28 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:59 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 3:13 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 4:13 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 4:09 pm

Hmm that's all?
Indeed. To stoke the fires of excitement tend to lead to pro town gamestates, and thus you and Nut are pro t.
But can't I fake excitement as a wolf?
You can, but why make level one reads that discourage a pro t environment? That'd be silly.
Hmmmmmmmmmm Wilgy wanna mason?
Sure, I'm fairly confident in my read and I'm all ego this game, so I'll never revoke.
Yay us

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 7:52 am [VOTE: robyn] aubergine she seems the most manipulative.

Where does this appear to you? I didn't schee anything that looked manipulative, more so saw things that just seemed kinda lv1 reading

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:56 am [VOTE: robyn] aubergine for that interaction with porscha lol

lc wolf if theyre not though maybe

What makes LC wolf rather than wrong?

Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 4:07 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 2:20 pm @Cape90 what's with the Nutella read? Does she obv town on D1 often?
With most of nutella's posts I just find them... safe? You know? Like with the posts with content a lot of them wont have elaboration (with the exception of #221), also looking back there...

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 4:07 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 4:07 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 1:35 pm wilgy is townier than porscha i think
What if I said both are town
yeah probably
this convo kinda bothers me on nutella's end. Like if nutella believed both are town when she said "wilgy is townier then porscha i think" then it would kinda be a tad pointless to say, or at least say so without that clarification on the read that she thinks both are town though or whatever.

This is interesting to me, do you when reading town, not have more or less doubt on your reads that you can quantify?

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:57 am porscha p clearly town

falcon and wilgy both fine

abbi is abbi

You're fine *finger guns* pew pew

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 2:30 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 11:57 am porscha p clearly town

falcon and wilgy both fine

abbi is abbi
Why is Abbi always Abbi in every game and never readable

Dam I missed Nut saying I was fine? Gotta fix this

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 2:29 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 6:03 am Robyn, Porscha, Abi, Falc all town.

Pretty solid so far. (These are now real reads).
Asplain the ones you haven't asplained

You and Porscha seem easy enough to read, easy tr. Porschas basically been spewed town already by everyone active lol. Falc is poking things and I attribute that to his town game.

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 2:29 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 6:01 am
robyn wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:04 am i'm tired of wolfing, just really tired, nothing but wolf rands
Is this a claim? lol
I said that get your own dialog

Isn't mimicry the best form of flattery?

☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 2:28 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:59 am
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 3:13 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 4:13 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 4:09 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 3:33 pm
☆Princess Abigail☆ wrote: ↑Wed Jan 03, 2024 4:01 am

Explain?
Idk, both you and Nut seem excited.
Hmm that's all?
Indeed. To stoke the fires of excitement tend to lead to pro town gamestates, and thus you and Nut are pro t.
But can't I fake excitement as a wolf?
You can, but why make level one reads that discourage a pro t environment? That'd be silly.
Hmmmmmmmmmm Wilgy wanna mason?

Sure, I'm fairly confident in my read and I'm all ego this game, so I'll never revoke.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:31 pm Latest content by falcon obviously doesn't give me much because it's fluff but he's still fine.

pyxxy has mostly vibed in the thread, obviously not much of an impression beyond that.

nutella kinda has boring vanilla reads mixed in with fluff, also if nutella is attempting at all to be Mac, then I gotta vote that because they are doing a bad job at that.

All I got on Long Con is they are probs not w/w with Wilgy for #219, the post they clearly put the most effort into. Not really a read I put that much stock into anyways as I townlean Wilgy.

Just by default in this thread Princess Abigail is one of the towniest players here. #188 doesn't seem like something wolf would just say about their read, wolves can be stale with their reads generally.

Porscha is the current top poster which... wasn't on my bingo sheet this year . The interaction with me and robyn both screams town to me. Also #99 does too, but i couldn't tell you why I think that

DrWilgy still feels decent to me, I like the response he just said #244. The basis for my doubt comes from me knowing robyn can be very direct with their thoughts and just kinda say things as they are.

Porscha
Princess Abigail
falcon45ca

DrWilgy

robyn

nutella
Long Con
pyxxy
Sheep

These are my current reads

Welcome to the town core nerd

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:36 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:31 pm also if nutella is attempting at all to be Mac, then I gotta vote that because they are doing a bad job at that.
well now look here you-

Fight fight fight

Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:15 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:10 pm
Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:08 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 6:01 am
robyn wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:04 am i'm tired of wolfing, just really tired, nothing but wolf rands
Is this a claim? lol

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 6:03 am Robyn, Porscha, Abi, Falc all town.

Pretty solid so far. (These are now real reads).
with the first quote, I thought it might have been a wolf claim
Def would be if so. I just don't think if so.
why not?

Robyn coming out of Wolfwalkers would be aware of this feeling around when they posted it, W Robyn would probably just ignore it and proceed without posting.

Definitely not a definitive read, but a decent one mefinks.

Cape90 wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 1:08 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 6:01 am
robyn wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 5:04 am i'm tired of wolfing, just really tired, nothing but wolf rands
Is this a claim? lol

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Jan 04, 2024 6:03 am Robyn, Porscha, Abi, Falc all town.

Pretty solid so far. (These are now real reads).
with the first quote, I thought it might have been a wolf claim

Def would be if so. I just don't think if so.

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