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I did. I did it in order to project a townie "fuck y'all then" mindset.speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:08 pmDoes that make the difference to you (assuming that he did)?Sloonei wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:03 pmThis did not happen. Mac might have self-voted at some point in the middle of a day, but he never left it there as a final vote.speedchuck wrote: ↑Sun Apr 05, 2020 2:00 pm Okay forgive me if my memory is playing tricks on me but didn't Mac self-vote as mafia just last game? Then survived that day? And was scum?
It's the self-votes that survive, those are the scummy ones.
@MacDougall If you would indulge me, did you self vote in LC's game and why?
speedchuck wrote: ↑Sat Apr 04, 2020 8:56 am [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine
Today is super busy I'll catch up later.
But I maintain that self-votes are bad.
You have more motive to kill him than anyone imo. You had already stated you had a lock town read on him so your only avenue of removal becomes NK. Tell me if you had the mafia NK who you'd have killed?
When I started attempting to do towncore and POE it was in the midst of an overenergised chaotic thread state. I'm trying to narrow people's focus so we can actually get a consensus lynch as opposed to competing wagons and a chaotic rushed end of day.ts account wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:42 amI have not felt great about Sloonei either. I do not claim to be great at reading alignments, and my strength as a player is tied to my ability to obvtown. I have no great faith that Dragomir would flip wolf, but the posts they are making leads me to believe that is the case, so that is what I will continue to push for, until proven wrong. This particular vote was a bit of a kneejerk to their most recent interaction with leetic, which I felt was in bad faith. I will likely go back to Long Con, who I feel has quite a bit of wolf equity. I just want it known that I do not agree with apparent reset buttons on the slot, I suppose.MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:34 amSloonei is near lock towning Dragomir in case you didn't notice. I bring this up not because it should make you change your opinion but moreso because I'm curious how that makes you feel about Sloonei?
Upon seeing your POE I am not sure I am comfortable with your desired pace of the game.
Namely this, but no he's pretty well badgered Tony a lot. That said he's not voted there or really pushed there. There's something I don't like about their engagement.Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 4:04 pmTony has twelve posts. Why do they need to be memorable? You can read them in under sixty seconds. Why does this post exist?Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 2:24 pm tsp's posts have been forgettable to me but we're on the same wagon so sure i guess i can hold off on reading him for now
Sloonei is near lock towning Dragomir in case you didn't notice. I bring this up not because it should make you change your opinion but moreso because I'm curious how that makes you feel about Sloonei?
I know what you are describing and I see exactly that in exactly that post.Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:24 amI don't think so. Mafia tries their best to make as much sense as possible but in their attempt to do that, they can spear super fake and contrived. I don't get that feeling from Radish in that post.MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:18 amIn your view do the mafia tend to make posts that make no sense as a rule? I don't give Radishes points for sounding wise in a post in which he is just postulating nothing and arrives nowhere.Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:15 amI like this post from Radish, more specifically, that second paragraph. It makes sense.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:16 amThis is my concern with TS too. I don't scum-read him for his overall reasoning/argument, as poor as I found it, but equally I don't get why I've seen one or two people say he and Sloonei must be civ/civ, as his general stubbornness does feel a bit like a scum who doesn't want to be seen backtracking.Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:52 amYou could argue in a post-modern mafia setting that going after someone for mechanics talk is the new low hanging fruit. I don't think your suspicion of sloonei for this looks particularly genuine. It's an easy suspicion to fake early and you haven't really let it go, like you're afraid what it would look like if you backed down herets account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:15 amThere exists somewhere a big imaginary book of mafia. When players are good enough, they get a chance to write a chapter of the book. In some footnotes, you will find clear references to mechanical discussion being a scumtell. I do not know what to tell you beyond this. I am not the one who decides what are and aren't considered scumtells, though I do have a few scumtells of my own that I have not seen other players share.Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:09 am I could use the same logic against you. You have only played a fraction of the amount of mafia games that exist so you can't truly know that mechanical talk is widely considered a scumtell. It might have been from the games you've played but not the many others have.
So basically, trying to say that mechanical talk is a scumtell is bullshit. It's not a universal opinion. I want you to explain to me what really makes mechanical talk a bad thing.
Generally, scum (moreso bad scum than good scum) will struggle to generate content. This is the closest thing you can get to objective in mafia- sort by postcount will almost always win more games than any individual player's reads, it has been tested. As a result of this, scum (moreso bad scum than good scum) will latch onto low-hanging talking points. In mystery games especially, mechanical discussion is inevitable from any alignment, but scum (moreso bad scum than good scum) are happy to engage in this discourse, as it means they don't have to provide fake content.
Happy?
This is not a strong enough feeling for me to commit to an SR, as basing a read off a single prolonged discussion is not, in my experience, always the best tell. I'd rather see him get engaged in different discussions first.
I agree and it's interesting for you to say that too.
In your view do the mafia tend to make posts that make no sense as a rule? I don't give Radishes points for sounding wise in a post in which he is just postulating nothing and arrives nowhere.Dragomir wrote: ↑Thu Apr 02, 2020 12:15 amI like this post from Radish, more specifically, that second paragraph. It makes sense.Master Radishes wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 9:16 amThis is my concern with TS too. I don't scum-read him for his overall reasoning/argument, as poor as I found it, but equally I don't get why I've seen one or two people say he and Sloonei must be civ/civ, as his general stubbornness does feel a bit like a scum who doesn't want to be seen backtracking.Turnip Head wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:52 amYou could argue in a post-modern mafia setting that going after someone for mechanics talk is the new low hanging fruit. I don't think your suspicion of sloonei for this looks particularly genuine. It's an easy suspicion to fake early and you haven't really let it go, like you're afraid what it would look like if you backed down herets account wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:15 amThere exists somewhere a big imaginary book of mafia. When players are good enough, they get a chance to write a chapter of the book. In some footnotes, you will find clear references to mechanical discussion being a scumtell. I do not know what to tell you beyond this. I am not the one who decides what are and aren't considered scumtells, though I do have a few scumtells of my own that I have not seen other players share.Dragomir wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 3:09 am I could use the same logic against you. You have only played a fraction of the amount of mafia games that exist so you can't truly know that mechanical talk is widely considered a scumtell. It might have been from the games you've played but not the many others have.
So basically, trying to say that mechanical talk is a scumtell is bullshit. It's not a universal opinion. I want you to explain to me what really makes mechanical talk a bad thing.
Generally, scum (moreso bad scum than good scum) will struggle to generate content. This is the closest thing you can get to objective in mafia- sort by postcount will almost always win more games than any individual player's reads, it has been tested. As a result of this, scum (moreso bad scum than good scum) will latch onto low-hanging talking points. In mystery games especially, mechanical discussion is inevitable from any alignment, but scum (moreso bad scum than good scum) are happy to engage in this discourse, as it means they don't have to provide fake content.
Happy?
This is not a strong enough feeling for me to commit to an SR, as basing a read off a single prolonged discussion is not, in my experience, always the best tell. I'd rather see him get engaged in different discussions first.
Radishes is an obscenely good player. He has levels. Getting lynched early in the GOC was an outlier for him.
Duly noted.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:41 pmLook at what he's doing. He just threw up his hands and said "forget this!" and decided to go back to the beginning and start from scratch. I don't think that's how I'd handle the situation, but there's no way a member of any mafia team anywhere decides to do that. Drago hit the reset button for himself and he's following through with it.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:34 pmWould appreciate you making some effort to explain this
[mention]leetic[/mention] I'd like a response to this.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:38 pm I want to return to this post as well:No one asked for this and it did not seem like it had any direction to it. leetic just plopped down six reads on six sporadically-selected names. I could see this being the product of a big bad wolf who wants to look proactive. The reads are all pretty superficial, and we can see the seeds of his ted vote which he is still clinging to at this very moment, and which I've just highlighted as the basis for my current vote. The dragomir suspicion also seems arbitrary, and the ts read is the kind of loosely-held suspicion that I could see as a mafioso putting a pin in a case in the event that it gains momentum later on.leetic wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 10:51 am Reads on a few more active players:
Dragomir: I think a lot of his posts have been more CWAC. I mean, there's very little that he has posted that Sloonei hadn't already posted, and he's only interacting with the same people that Sloonei had been. GTH scum, because I do not see him making his own content.
Funnygurl: Likely town, seems similar to her town play in the hydra game.
Master Radishes: I do like their posts so far, does seem like they are trying to solve the game and approaching multiple players, so town read.
Sloonei: I'd say town, as he is now trying to get discussion going.
tedxtr: I honestly am not a fan of this slot, I explained why their vote for me was kinda lame and I don't really like his "Was to shoot shit around, I wanted to bait a reaction or something", it seems like backtracking given that his initial vote for me was laden with the same amount of reasoning. Scum read for sure.
ts account: His play in this game is much different than what I'm used to, he's much more tunnelly than he usually is and is much less casual during D1. I haven't seen his scum play yet, but I wouldn't be surprised if this is it.
Same post gave me a town ping.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:33 pmThis post inspired me to vote for leetic. He looks like he has decided that tedxtr is the person he wants to lynch today and is not interested in any other opinions. It doesn't look like tunneling: it looks fabricated.leetic wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:21 pmIf you don't care, why did you respondtedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:11 pmI don’t care.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:09 pmThis is such a weird thing to say at this point.tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:08 pmI think wolves have little to no thread control and villagers are having a horrible day one.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:04 pm I think we are a bit of a mess right now and the mafia team would be content to maintain the status quo. Turnip Head is a player who stands out as not rocking the boat. I don't know if that's fair to say. I am making this assessment with only one foot in the game.
I don't like this tone, it reads as uncooperative and not really engaging in the thread
Would appreciate you making some effort to explain this
Meanwhile, FG and Mac both townlocked you and invited you to our town core. Calm your ass down and play the game without being a screaming toddler.
Wolves rarely if ever can keep up with the production of strong villagers and they get found out eventually. It is totally viable to force wolves to stand out by virtue of volume of content. Also the more content we produce as a village the more likely we are to find one another.tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:22 pmWhat does having more posts have to do with a better village overall?MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:16 pmIt's a really silly thing to bother saying as though it's somehow going to change matters. If you feel this way, pick a quest and go and do some analysis instead of getting stuck in live read hell. Solve someone. This "horrible day one" has more posts than mosts and that is usually when day ones nets a wolf flip, but only if civilians actually try.Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:12 pmI agree with that statement from Ted. It's how things are appearing to be.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:09 pmThis is such a weird thing to say at this point.tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:08 pmI think wolves have little to no thread control and villagers are having a horrible day one.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:04 pm I think we are a bit of a mess right now and the mafia team would be content to maintain the status quo. Turnip Head is a player who stands out as not rocking the boat. I don't know if that's fair to say. I am making this assessment with only one foot in the game.
I may appear like I am not trying, but I am. I am provoking as much content as I can from people in a way that they won't have time/capacity to fabricate well if they are scum. It is a wonderful way to lure out town peeks on people. I am serious about my FG and TS reads. I'm locking them town and not looking back.
Information overload is a thing, and you’re using it to suspect and set up towns and ignoring dead weight that are sneaking right beneath you.
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:49 pm lc you have vote on turnip head. would you consider voting anyone else atm? who's catching your fancy?
gotta town circle forming? what do you think about me?
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:51 pmlike, what is leetics alignment? what about ted? what about sloonei who likes leetic? who will tsp spar with in thread?Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:50 pmWhat kinds info?Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:43 pmbecause right now we're agreeing on something and I'd prefer to wait for more information. like, guys...Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:25 pmYou don't want to read tsp because he's voting for someone you're voting. I want to find out as to why that should stop you.Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:24 pm ... am I speaking english or what y'all? what is the difference between what I have said about TSP and what epi said? rn its just the person who said it.
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:52 pm mikey am I still null to you? how do you even try reading me lol
All these questions come across as genuine attempts to explore people's thought patterns.Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:37 pmwhyMacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:36 pm I am officially vetoing Long Con suspicion for the remainder of this day.
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 8:01 pmyou gotta T R U S Tts account wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:56 pmAll I know is, I am afraid of your wolf game xDFunnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 7:52 pm mikey am I still null to you? how do you even try reading me lol
I am still thinking about your points with how you read me. You are clearly capable of forming depthful reads as scum, so I am looking at your more shallow reads and wondering if this is scum funnygurl, but struggling to produce depthful content, or town funnygurl, who is dropping tidbits while just taking a more passive role? At this point, I don't see agenda behind your shallow reads, so they are probably more towny than not. But I can't help but be afraid of the bamboozle.we can do this together buddy
This direct pleading is usually town pleading with someone they've townlocked. It can be in wolf range for some people but it's not common.
This is sincere.
But still feels like she has to double check her read.Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:12 pm i'm gonna do something i've avoided doing and iso ted
This is arguably the towniest post I've ever seen in my entire life.Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:16 pmanyway look at thissssstedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:41 am Word salad. Leetic's post about Sloonei's activity at SoD felt out of place, so did his "setup speculation" post. In Sloonei's position as town, it's perfectly reasonable to ask about the absence of 2 players when it could be an issue that may cause a re-rand. If Leetic were scum though, it wouldn't be an issue because he'd know that his scum buds aren't missing so who the fuck cares about two townies missing.
look at this MINDSET
lol if i'm wrong on ted my confidence will sink
Slight town ping from Leetic.leetic wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:21 pmIf you don't care, why did you respondtedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:11 pmI don’t care.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:09 pmThis is such a weird thing to say at this point.tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:08 pmI think wolves have little to no thread control and villagers are having a horrible day one.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:04 pm I think we are a bit of a mess right now and the mafia team would be content to maintain the status quo. Turnip Head is a player who stands out as not rocking the boat. I don't know if that's fair to say. I am making this assessment with only one foot in the game.
I don't like this tone, it reads as uncooperative and not really engaging in the thread
Oh I beg to differ immensely on Ted. Ted as scum's defensive tone was more mildly amused pleading while here his defensive tone is "fuck you all you're dumb and I want to kill you". Totally different mentalities. Also he's shown very genuine insight as pointed out by FG.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:19 pmconvince me on the gal and the ted. I've seen nothing from ted that would be incompatible with the version of him we just played with in the goc.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:18 pm I'd rate my confidence on Sloonei, Tedxtr, TS Account and Funnygirl being town, right at this second, as 9.9/10 on all four. So it'd be nice if y'all spent the time to find each other so we can dominate this shit.
What are you doing exactly if not "chasing ghosts"? All I see out of you is whining, ATE and criticising other peoples play. Get over whatever hang ups you have and make cases. I'm currently townsolving people as my primary focus. I'll get to scum hunting when I get there.tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:18 pm You’re literally letting people get away for nothing.
Turnip didn’t do shit, now he’s voting a wagon that never crumbled in the span of 48 hours when I’ve had the towniest fucking breakdown and tone and posts, and he has no reasoning other than “radishes is there, Radishes goat!!!”
Leetic has done nothing but make surface level reads and his wagon faltered for no reason.
You’re chasing ghosts while scum are barely doing anything.
I'd be willing to invite Ted into town core on the following conditions;Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:16 pmanyway look at thissssstedxtr wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 7:41 am Word salad. Leetic's post about Sloonei's activity at SoD felt out of place, so did his "setup speculation" post. In Sloonei's position as town, it's perfectly reasonable to ask about the absence of 2 players when it could be an issue that may cause a re-rand. If Leetic were scum though, it wouldn't be an issue because he'd know that his scum buds aren't missing so who the fuck cares about two townies missing.
look at this MINDSET
lol if i'm wrong on ted my confidence will sink
It's a really silly thing to bother saying as though it's somehow going to change matters. If you feel this way, pick a quest and go and do some analysis instead of getting stuck in live read hell. Solve someone. This "horrible day one" has more posts than mosts and that is usually when day ones nets a wolf flip, but only if civilians actually try.Dragomir wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:12 pmI agree with that statement from Ted. It's how things are appearing to be.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:09 pmThis is such a weird thing to say at this point.tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:08 pmI think wolves have little to no thread control and villagers are having a horrible day one.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:04 pm I think we are a bit of a mess right now and the mafia team would be content to maintain the status quo. Turnip Head is a player who stands out as not rocking the boat. I don't know if that's fair to say. I am making this assessment with only one foot in the game.
Whoa keep that edge away from me I might get a papercuttedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:11 pmI don’t care.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:09 pmThis is such a weird thing to say at this point.tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:08 pmI think wolves have little to no thread control and villagers are having a horrible day one.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:04 pm I think we are a bit of a mess right now and the mafia team would be content to maintain the status quo. Turnip Head is a player who stands out as not rocking the boat. I don't know if that's fair to say. I am making this assessment with only one foot in the game.
This is such a weird thing to say at this point.tedxtr wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:08 pmI think wolves have little to no thread control and villagers are having a horrible day one.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 10:04 pm I think we are a bit of a mess right now and the mafia team would be content to maintain the status quo. Turnip Head is a player who stands out as not rocking the boat. I don't know if that's fair to say. I am making this assessment with only one foot in the game.
Anyone who is an antagonist of my town core is unwelcome.Sloonei wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:07 pmOne of them is among my three (3) town reads. The other one has my vote.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:05 pm Funnygirl and TS Account are the first two official members of my town core. If you wish to join them, you may apply and state your case.
How suspicion. U must be bard.Epignosis wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:01 pmSuits me.MacDougall wrote: ↑Wed Apr 01, 2020 11:00 pm In a recent game in which Epignosis was Mafia, he was not lynched. He is not being lynched here either. What say you Epi?
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