The Syndicate

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 7:03 pm Of the present multi-vote wagons (Colin, Mac, Radish) I think Radish is the best lynch.

The good thing about lynching Radish is info as well. I think it's likely he's scum. The wagons being Nut/Radish could provide info (but I guess especially if he's scum. If he's town, it just reveals scum wouldn't give a shit among them)

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 5:26 pmYou say you feel very sure about me so I have to assume you've seen some strong evidence. What is it?

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:59 pm Fine, I'll do a quick reads list before I go.

Dyslexicon
Epignosis
juliets
Michelle
nutella
S~V~S

Sloonei
tedxtr
TonyStarkPrime
sprityo
Tranq
Turnip Head

ColinIsCool
Dom
Dragomir

G-Man
Jackofhearts2005
MacDougall
Master Radishes
NANOOK
sabie12
sig
speedchuck

You're a funny dude.

I might be a little bit drunk. But I can write without too many typos. I'm proud.

[mention]Sig[/mention] Your read on me is the lamest thing I've seen in a long time. I have no idea what's in your head on that. As for your other reads I trust my own (to the extent I even have them) more than yours. Sorry not sorry.
/I hate silencing powers. Worst mechanic ever.

I have no idea about Sprit's meta. He posts loose and all over the place with hard stances without reasoning. I'm not a fan. Is this his meta or something?

sprityo wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:49 pm If anyone has a specific request, “what do you think of these specific posts” I can handle those right now

Do you think Nanook got a mafia role as the one that was left out?

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 3:07 pmBaddish:
Juliets
Sabie
Turnip

I'm very interested in these reads. Rip my life.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 2:56 pm There are better options than sprit today imo

I'd lynch half the roster if I could.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 2:46 pmI think there’s always something underlying “gut” reads. Can you at least identify the posts that made you feel good about G-man and try to talk about what gives you those good feelings?
I’ve only seen one scum game from Michelle in the past and she was noticeably different from her town self. She’s one of many I have not looked closely at here, but a glance at a few of her posts felt like her usual self. I think this aligns with your read here as well.

My mistake re: colin. Who is your strongest suspect? You might have said radishes, I forget who else is on that wagon.

No, I think we're just going to talk in circles now. Radish is my biggest suspect still, yes. Nothing has really changed that. But thread is full of scum, so obviously there's others as well.

Thank you for the response [mention]sabie12[/mention]. I think that helps.
Leep of faith sabie as town actually.

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 2:39 pm Ok I just read through @sprityo and almost all of it seems like fluff. He voted Jack on Day 1 making a point of saying it was just gut, but then also voted Jack on Day 2. Sprityo, are you still voting on just gut? I know you just got home and there is family to see and such so I don't want to push too hard but what's going on? You are capable of really great play as Jay pointed out but I can't say I see anything towny in your posts, and the vote for Jack on Day 2 is uninspiring or worse without a reason. Hope you are able to talk some more about this today.

Is anyone else having this same reaction or am I missing something?

[VOTE: sprityo] aubergine

Ok. I should stop flooding the thread with unfinished thoughts.

Make Jack solve the game. Thanks.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 2:17 pm Dizzy is town, Colin is ehh.

I knew you would come to love me. Are you town though? Cause I want like a read list or something from you. Or at least your top suspects or something. Basically just want to know more where you're at and not so in the background.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 2:07 pm G-man is the only name on this list without a question mark. Does that mean he's your most confident town read? Why? I've also seen mixed opinions on Michelle, so what can you tell me about her?

I also take it Colin is among the strongest reads among "almost everyone else", so I guess we should talk about the specifics of that read.

I just got a good feel from G-man the way he posted N1 and also came at me start of this day. You can call it strong gut if you like.
Michelle, I've been unsure, but I like the later I've seen from her, especially being all in Tunrip's face. It's a more challenging position, and I think Michelle is more sly and not so in your face or confident as scum. So I lean town on her.

You are mistaken about Colin. Me voting someone does not mean they are my strongest read. But I do like Nook's point just now about him seeming disinterested in solving.

God I wish we could multilynch. That is a needed mechanic in a game with 10 scum to start with tbh.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:54 pmI've had a hard time distinguishing between town sabie and mafia sabie in the past. But I also find that all of the things that you mention here as reasons to suspect her are not reliable alignment indicators for here. She has a pretty transparent way of talking about the game. If she hasn't read things or doesn't understand a point, she'll just say so.
There might be meat on the Radishes bone, but as always I am wary about looking for connections of that nature before we have a confirmed scum.

Other people have caught bad sabie in games that I've played in the past and each time that has happened I've just been sitting there shrugging at the cases. other times i've seen people gang up and mislynch her for no good reason.

Ok, thanks. This helps a bit. She's not my preference for a lynch today, but if Radish is indeed scum, I will be looking sternly at Sabie, me thinks.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:47 pm I do not think Colin is a very good lynch today.

Why though? I like all the people voting him right now.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:49 pmI mean, the same points that you made for G-man town would apply for Colin as well, so help me understand what your thought process is. It's not about "accept my read or don't", I don't comprehend your thought process.

It's exactly about that. I don't know what else to tell you.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:43 pm Dys, what's the difference between Colin and G-man? Shouldn't you be town reading him, judging how you are going around G-man's slot?

No. Accept my read or don't I guess.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:39 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:15 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:12 pmNo no, by empty slot I mean actually empty, not a slanker. As in, the spot wasn’t filled by a player at the start of the game.

Oooooh. Yes. That or 3p, I guess. Not mafia, true.

for the record:

Long Con wrote: ↑Mon Feb 24, 2020 10:02 pm We're writing role PMs now. I have the unknown 25th player in a role slot already, optimistically. So when they join, know that their role was randomized alongside each of yours.

Oh ok. Thank you. But still, the fact that Nook used the argument and seems to believe in it still makes me think town. Like the way he's going about it.

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:39 pm [VOTE: ColinIsCool] aubergine

ColinIsCool is cool, but he's also bad

Ok, bahhh.

[VOTE: Colin] aubergine

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:30 pm I really don't understand why people town read g-man

is it the oompa loompa doompa or

You don't need to understand it. But if you want some reasons I could say he posted freely and not to look good on N1, even if he is suspected and people missed content from him. He doesn't care how he looks.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:24 pm See my recent post for why I’m placing a vote on [VOTE: Tony] aubergine for now.

[VOTE: Tony] aubergine

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:22 pm

You ask too many questions

[mention]sprityo[/mention] Where are your reads at? How are you going to convince us all that Jack is the right lynch, considering you voted him both D1 and now?

juliets wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:09 pm Dizzy, what game was it where you were scum with her? I have read through her here several times but want to look at a scum game of hers.

It was when we all were scum together. =P
Girl Genius, I think.
I was town D1, you all keeeled me, and I replaced scum!Sloonei.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:12 pmNo no, by empty slot I mean actually empty, not a slanker. As in, the spot wasn’t filled by a player at the start of the game.

Oooooh. Yes. That or 3p, I guess. Not mafia, true.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:01 pmEveryone should tbh, not cause of anything I’ve done since rejoining but for the simple fact that a slot left empty is 10 times more likely to be a town slot than a scum slot.

On this site, yes. On my home site it's much more likely to be scum lol. We just love being town. =p

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 12:56 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 12:53 pm Townish people:
G-man
Turnip (?)
Juliets (?)
Nook (?)
Ted (?)
Sig?

Scum:
Almost everyone else?

Jack town
Mac town
Jimmy town
Dom town

Why Jimmy?
Why Mac?

I was thinking Dom was alright actually. At least, he seems like he's done in the past to me.
Jack could be town. But he should solve the game. Like now.

Why not SVS?
Why not Michell?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 12:56 pmThis is why I asked for your strongest reads earlier. Maybe you’ve indicated an answer by now, idk I haven’t read everything. But if you want to provide a direct answer I won’t be mad.

It would also help if we played more games together, so maybe go ahead and sign up for a bunch more after this one? Thanks.

I mean, I've posted both a sorting my thoughts kind of post. And I attempted a townish list just now. That's where I'm at. Still banking on Radish being scum tbh. Will be so sad if that is not the case.

And no, I won't sign up for more games right now unfortunately. I was really supposed to go on a mafia break. I forgot that I signed up for this ages ago per request by Juliets (which was sweet). This is why I initially wanted to slank. But when I get into a game I just can't leave it alone because I just keep on trying to figure stuff out and thinking about things. This is my biggest and best town tell btw. I can't shut up. My focus is on everyone. I want to know and I need to know. Anyway, I will (attempt to) break from mafia for a while after this game. I really should be doing other things lol.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 12:52 pm

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 10:00 pm I would gamble on there being at least one mafia in Colin/g-man/drago/tranq

At least a nickel, maybe even a whole 7 cents.

Wanting to vote for 3 of the lowest posters = “I don’t want to have to make an argument against somebody”

It's hardly a controversial take though. The game is like almost 50 % scum. It would be a miracle if there was no scum there. Except G-man is town and tranq could be as well tbh. =p

Townish people:
G-man
Turnip (?)
Juliets (?)
Nook (?)
Ted (?)
Sig?
SVS?
Michelle?

Scum:
Almost everyone else?

I kind of think Nook is still town, sue me.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 12:49 pm I joined another game cause I thought I’d be dead, lol, so my time is split. Tbh it’s also partly cause less people are talking to me, I’m a bit of a ping-whore

I couldn't tell lol

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 12:46 pm The things you point out about sabie are the same things that make me lean town on her lol. She seems, idk, off the cuff

Alright. Thanks for your opinion. I'm honestly not sure, which is why I'm asking. When I was scum with her last game, she hardly posted. But I also have seen her as town and she seemed more aggressive or straight forward, like she had opinions. Here it seems more like she is building opinions and missing info. The thing that hits me in the feels on the town-side is her mentioning of being "misunderstood".

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 12:28 pmIt is, in fact, an excellent take

Hi, Nook. Why so quiet after returning? Would it help if [mention]Sig[/mention] tunneled you again?

Turnip Head wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 12:38 pmsabie reads genuine to me like she has nothing to hide

Ok. But can you take a look at my ISO anyway, please?
Is your read based on meta or how you know her?

sabie12 wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 4:44 am I feel bad for colin in that I feel like people often don't get me either

^I think this is about the only thing I like in her ISO.

Stuff in Sabie's ISO:

I know it's a lot, but I would appreciate it if someone took a look. Only need to follow my comments and what I highlight.

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Her very first two posts are "I'll catch up later"-posts. I especially don't like the putting off things when she also mentions she's excited for this game in the first post. And there's a lot of what reads like excuses in her ISO, highlighted in cyan:

Here's the posts that Sabie talks about Radish.
Sabie talks a lot about Jack/Nut, but very little about Radish. These two posts are the only on I can find that she even mentions Radish.
And what she says is Belgian waffle. Highlighted in pink:
Like, what does these posts about Radish say?
[mention]sabie12 [/mention]What is your opinion on Radish? Should he be lynched or no?


Other posts I don't like, and why:

I spent time ISOing Sabie, and I would like some opinion on that. I like Sabie's later posts tbh, but in the ISO I found a lot of excuses and putting things off, as in "I haven't read that yet" "I'll catch up later" "I need to check that". I find that scum is more likely to put off catching up or saying to check things and then don't. I also notice how little she mentions Radish and how waffly it is when she does. She also voted Nut with a pretty shaky rationale iirc. So I could see a Radish/Sabie connection. This is also strengthened by how Radish mentioned Sabie as one of the iffier voted on Nut, and how Sabie has not commented on that at all, but completely ignored it.

I honestly had the opinion that an actively involved Sabie with opinions would mean town and that a less involved and waffly Sabie would mean scum. And that she was not that hard to read. But I've gotten the impression that she may be hard to read? Some people have mentioned this at least. So I want opinions from people that know her. Anyway, I'll find quotes that stick out to me.

If people took time to learn my meta, I'd be the easiest one to read here lol

[mention]G-Man[/mention] Did you see my response to you and do you follow me? It's kind of important. To the degree that playing mafia is important lol

[mention]S~V~S[/mention] Clearly you don't know me, and vice versa. Your read on me seems pretty OMGUS to me. Which is fine, honestly. The reason I'm spending time interacting with you at all is because that if you are town, I want to be able to read you as such. I get that my process maybe doesn't make sense to you. It seems like we have different processes. That's also fine. It seems like you've spent at least some time trying to figure me out. Why have you not asked people who know me better about their opinion? This is a genuine question and not shade btw. I like to do that myself, which is why I've asked about you a lot. It's because I want to figure you out. A lot of the time my attention goes to where I feel I have the least info, or the reads that are the most difficult for me. The people who know my play better here have a town read on me, and that's not a coincident. If this was my home site I would literally be an IC by now. I seem to get suspected for play style reasons a lot from people who don't know me, and that's also fine enough. Maybe it would help if you have more direct questions for me? You don't have to obviously, I'm just saying. Also, in a game like this (and most games honestly) I'm trying to look for town and work from a PoE. It's just a better way for me to play, I think. If you notice, I had a town read on the late Nook, and still spent time questioning to test my town read. I'm looking for people to trust. Me questioning someone is probably more often in hopes that I will be able to trust that person in stead of trying to "get them" or whatever. I don't know if any of this helps. Anyway, your read on G-man is also wrong. You should fix those two. Apart from that I agree with town on Juliets, Turnip, Ted and Sig, as far as one could trust anyone this game.

TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 11:17 am Someone explain to me in 50 words or less why Jay is not scum and why Juliets is not scum.

I have a reason for Juliets. She defended Nut and spent a lot of time on that read. I think it's likelier that town would be invested in resisting the Nut wagon, seeing how she flipped not mafia. I think mafia would be more in the mindset of "anyone but me and my team". Does that make sense?

I don't have one for Jimmay.

tedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 1:27 am G-Man still has no takes

Oompa loompa doompa

His slot shall perish to end my wraith

Oompa loompa doompa

[VOTE: G-Man ] aubergine

I’m gonna go at epi when I’m on pc, wanted you to know I acknowledged your vote there

No.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Sat Feb 29, 2020 12:54 amB) Dyslexicon has been hard for me to pin down

Anything I can help with?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:45 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 3:40 pm Remember folks:

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Fri Oct 19, 2018 5:35 pm I’m not bad, I’m bad at Mafia.

This made me feel a non-zero amount of feeling. I am dumb.

Same.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:30 pmI'm not yelling and screaming as I often did in years past. I'm having more fun right now as a result. I'm a tired old man, Dyslexicon. I am a Mafia grandpa.

That is very cute. But you should think more about how that makes me feel. And how am I supposed to tell the difference between scum and town you? Will I just have to wait until you are dead or the game is over? Probably.

Actually, I didn't like that question from Sloonei. Also seemed like an easy nitpick "this seems reasonable to ask about" kind of thing. But I didn't have a problem with Ted explaining his first gripe with me and then landing on a town read.

Sloonei could be scum.
Radish could be scum.
Sabie could be scum.
Hrm.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:24 pmTell me why you're suspicious of me and I'll tell you whether I understand.

Good answer.

I don't know. You just don't pack a punch to me in this game. For all your posting you feel surprisingly in the background. It's mainly that.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Feb 28, 2020 11:15 pmI don't think "bravado" is out of place with Dom. That's a part of the persona he often brings to the game. He asked a question and it went unanswered, and so he made a stink. I don't think he has played with tedxtr before (either can correct me if necessary), so I don't think ted's own personality is an important variable to consider when judging Dom's treatment of ted. They don't know one another.

I also don't know Ted, but I can infer from his play that he doesn't have any trouble answering questions when they are asked. I realize this doesn't mean Dom needs to infer the same, but it's like.. "You avoided my question!" Gurl... But at the same time, maybe Dom was just putting the pressure on, which is good. I don't even know why I'm talking about this, cause I have no clue about Dom.

I have leaned positively for S~V~S on the basis of tone and familiarity with what I remember of her hunting styles and what I know of the site norms from the era from whence she brings most of her background (Syndicate circa 2013-2016 or so). I haven't dug deep on S~V~S lately though and she is a priority for reassessment.

Thank you.

Do you understand why I'm suspicious of you, Jimmay? I kind of am.