The Syndicate

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 4:33 pm [VOTE: s~v~s] aubergine

360 no scoping John Doe

What does this even mean? 360 no scoping? My tinfoil is that Dennis is Doe, if this means I'm not Doe hunting; I think Kate put on that show to distract us from him so he could get one more day of gathering baddies. Having had a similar role in BSG, I think it's possible that Doe's death means no more conversions. I also think no matter how much she trusted Sean, she wouldn't have told him if her son was the big bad.

OK, You asked up there about Roxy and Mata.

Every post I've made that I have mentioned Roxy, I have said I think she's town. She's straightforward, and doesn't seem to be tiptoeing around anyone. I would argue against yeeting Roxy.

Mata I am not as sure about. AI tend to think of tinfoil Mata as town, but I am sure she can tinfoil when she's bad too. I had hoped to read her today at work but it was busier than i expected (I got a raise! I also got a bonus! Both unexpected! I had to sit in a room with bosses and then eat lunch with them for a few hours

) so I'm doing that tonight.

So I need to read Mata, and also Epi. He confused me yesterday, with what he said vs how he voted. I should be around tonight reading back.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:47 pm
Dubz wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:46 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:58 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:56 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 11:00 am Slay the outed one!

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine
do you have any reads to share with the class?
Nope. I'm just sheeping people that sound correct to sheep.
Wouldn't that by definition mean you're reading the people you're sheeping
I suppose so, but I wouldn't be able to tell you why.

I'm sad Seanzie is gone, as they were who I sheeped last cycle and today.

Sean voted for Macdougall today, not Dennis. I am okey dokey with a Dennis vote, but think it's weird that you are saying you sheeped Sean when you did not. You're so sad that he's dead that you didn't even check his vote before sheeping him?

Also speaking of the lusty thread I have one more, I realllly wanted to post it before EOD yesterday but the thread was Locked.

@Kate this ones is for you

Spoiler: show

I meant to address this earlier, but Fathers Day and anything most people said would have become lost in yesterdays lusty thread. I also know it's moot at this point, but i didn't want to leave it to hang.

After Hot Dog Fingers, Kate and I decided never to do that again. That game was really stressful because of that, that we were taking alot of flak for being two old friends who *met* playing Mafia being confident on our reads of each other. If I suspect her, I'll make a case, and if I don't I'll put her in a reads list if I make one. And she agreed.

Had she done so, it would have been a huge red flag to me. I was even kind of thinking that was why she didn't make a reads list, she was trying to avoid it. But obvs it was becasue she was bad lol

I already voted Dennis, we need to resolve him. I have tinfoil that he's actually Doe, hence his Mom devoting so much time to thread spamming, to keep his name out of peoples mouths one more day. And while she seemed to inexplicably (Kate is pretty paranoid, I look forward to reading that chat post game to see just WHY she trusted him at all) trust Sean, I am not sure she would have given up Doe to him or anyone else if Doe was her actual son. Giving him another day to gather a team. It didn't say in Kates role that she needed Doe alive to become bad, but having played a similar role, it's a strong possibility imo that that might be the case.

I checked the First Post, and it was not updated to show any baddies other than Doe, I guess we are not being informed of this, so I'm assuming with Pyxxys flip that we're in a regular Mafia game now and there could be more. I plan to do some rereading today with that in mind.

Ha ha phone post ftw “Mata” not MAGA lololol

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 5:29 am cheers

what do you think of roxy and matahari?

I think Roxy is town. The tinfoil she put on over Kates apparent easy rollover reads town to me. Before that I leaned town, but her skepticism there was supa Roxtown imo.

MAGAs last post (or the last I recall) made me feel townier about her, but not to the level I feel towny about Rox.

K gonna catch up, bbl

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Jun 20, 2023 12:15 am
Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 10:53 pm Earlier, I was made to post in ways that alluded to the seven deadly sins.

If you will notice, my first post was lust, my second (to S~V~S) was envy, etc.

Hope I didn't offend anyone. I am free to post normally.
Do we really believe Epi had a curse? What if he was just trying to encourage the sins to signal to him?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 10:10 pm I'm voting MacDougall out of basic, angry revenge.

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 10:44 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 10:43 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 10:10 pm The most annoying shit ever for me is when I put faith in myself I'm wrong and when I doubt myself I'm right and it literally makes playing mafia so frustrating.

Anyways I was right on Doom that's cool. Why the fuck did they kill Doom.
Fear kill.
I don't agree. My thinking is a redirection is in play.
Most of Epi's ISO is like, okay in a "this is standard Epi" way but these two posts on day 2 kind of stand out as being awkward for him. @Jackofhearts2005 @DrWilgy @S~V~S you probably have the most experience with him. These posts lack the curmudgeonliness I associate with town Epi. Like he seems a bit more proactive, in a not very good way?

I’ll reread him, I have found him fairly unguarded which reads more town to me than not. I am curious about that random vote he made for me. I didn’t get why he did it, like he did it.

As for these two posts, if you think him saying he’s voting you out of angry revenge isn’t curmudgeony, I admire your sang froid.

As for the other, just seems basic. Being a certain way every post would lean more bad Epi than good imo.

*sue not sue

Dubz wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 3:04 pm "The purple guys can change alignments" does read like surface TMI but not sure I believe a purple guy would just announce it on thread. Like it's the kind of thing I'd think they would be hyperaware of not talking about.

Unless tutuu has a meta history of not reading the rules and it's fully unbelievable town!tutuu would even have known about it

@MacDougall i was referencing this post, it seemed to imply sue of Tutuu whereas Dubz had also said she was sheeping Kate in general. I was trying to figure out if she had a reason to vote Tutuu or was just sheeping.

Also [VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Jun 19, 2023 10:11 pm So we only need to watch out for the opposite of Diligence and Kindness at the moment. so its technically 3vX+Y

What do you mean? Does it spell that out somewhere and I missed it?

It says Pyxxy was Mafia aligned.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 9:34 pm [VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine

You lady of the night.

Love you too, homefry.

Happy Fathers Day all you Daddies! C’ya

Have Fun Kate!

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 12:27 pm Wow why didn't I ever thibk of just reading the thread. Silly me!

Sean outed her with an assist from Mac. Quickest way to find it is to ISO Sean, that's what i did when I walked into this last night.

Kate wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 12:24 pm
Roxy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 12:19 pm
Spoiler: show
[ytubehd][/ytubehd]

BIG BOOTY HOES!!

That's our new name.

I can't speak for the rest of the 4EW, but that works for me. And yeah, I've gone to the dark side, fuck OT green lolol sorry Epi.

OMG I am legit cry laughing now I’ll never look at a spider the same way again

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 11:36 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 11:30 am @Seanzie was it the one where Dennis said my posts made him feel absolutely nothing?

Because that sent me a signal all right, but maybe not one I wanted to get lol.
Nah, Dennis said something like "SVS is town for reasons I will explain later" or something, like Dennis was secretly saying "I will talk to you [SVS] when you target me to be recruited".

Oh yeah, that was super vague lol I forgot about that.

And YES! I first played with Kate in Maybe 2009, have played or watched dozens of games with her in them, and I have never seen LOLKate before. I am super enjoying it, I'm glad she took a rough hand and is having fun with it.

@Seanzie was it the one where Dennis said my posts made him feel absolutely nothing?

Because that sent me a signal all right, but maybe not one I wanted to get lol.

Matahari wrote: ↑Sun Jun 18, 2023 10:41 am @S~V~S while I agree that the game can’t be completely based on the movie, I firmly believe that John Doe knew who the two detectives were, just like in the movie, and just like in the game’s opening story. Of course he can’t nk them, otherwise, what would be the point? But he can try to get them lynched.

So how is this for solving? Look at the votes for Portia all throughout day one, and the conversation around Portia, and bob’s your uncle. Bam, big man is gone.

Obviously, my thoughts return to either Mac or Zenon. If Mac is John Doe, and has an odd night tracking ability, then I have to wonder what his even night ability is. Well, he did mention that now he had outed himself, he will probably die. And yet he fearlessly continues being the self appointed game leader. How brave! And why not? He knows Doe will not want to be tracked, so we’re grateful for your sacrifice Mac.

I came here last night to catch up and try to float this idea about John Doe, but I was so busy picking my jaw up off the floor that I never got around to it. Anyway, I hear that Stockholm syndrome is going around and I sure don’t want to catch it, so Im outta here.

The idea to yeet Porscha really did kinda come out of left field. She was one of many low participation Day One players. I have a bit more time online now, then i gotta do Fathers Day festivities. The older he gets, the earlier it's over ;( so I will most def be back before EOD. But I plan to reread this in the night, I was AFK during the EOD, and after the flip, I only skimmed the thread leading up to the elim.

I don't think I've ever seen outed Kate before. This is incredibly entertaining

Aw kitties. This thread definitely needs more cute fuzzy kitties. Especially kitties booping each other

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 9:01 pm Spoilers from the movie:

Spoiler: show
john doe is wrath. Like theyre the same thing. Each sin is a victim, john doe dies as the wrath victim. Not sure how this translates to the game as they're 2 roles

Lot's of things in this game are not based on the film.

Spoiler: show

But my point is that using the film as a template for anything might not be accurate. For instance, none of the virtues were in the film (not spoilering that since it isn't anything that actually happens in the film). There are like 4 speaking characters other than the main 4 who do almost ALL of the talking. So my guess is the host needed more roles, so the virtues are here. It was more thematic than "Background Cop #6" lol

Also three of the sins actually were not dead,

Spoiler: show

So the victim and the sin are not necessarily the same person.

I thought we had a Pedantic smiley cause I'm being the pedantic one now. I've seen this like a zillion times, it was my husbands favorite film (except maybe the Departed), and one of my top 5.

@pyxxy I saw your posts this AM, you don't need the movie to understand the mechanics. Like I said up there, a big chunk of the roles aren't even in the movie. Don't Panic, lol. It's a classic, but you don't need it to solve. It's fun and adds to the atmosphere to know the source material, that's all.

I am really looking forward to Kate flipping (xox BFF, but yeah). We'll learn so much from flipping a Sin. We'll learn if she's been recruited yet or not, and if that is how she could potentially change alignments, or it's some other mechanism.

Someone was questioning whether we needed them dead to win. We don't know their win cons, so we don't know. But Kates role *may* tell us. I have been operating on the belief that they were "baddie lites", not baddies yet, but they may become them. But that's just a guess.

If it's a direct recruiit, we need to consider Dennis could be Doe.

If it's not a direct recruit, maybe the sins choose whether to join the bad team. A lot of people would choose not to. Or it's something else. And I think learning what that something else is is super valuable to town.

And people tinfoiling the gift horse, just stop. Stop She was Lusty Lolcatting yesterday. She made that crack to mac yesterday because she was caught, and felt no need for a filter. She voted for herself lol

Dennis don’t look

OMG sexy lolcatting

[VOTE: Kate] aubergine

You had me totally fooled. I’m impressed.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 8:26 pm Things I learned from Kate that could be useful (take everything with a grain of salt since Kate was suspicious of my motives, but I do think there were times where she was trusting me enough that most of this is likely true).

1.) She can win as sole survivor or with mafia.
2.) SVS is 90% town (I think Kate said this in earnest)
3.) She said her and Greed exchanged roles. idk what to make of this.
4.) She has an ability but I think it is perhaps best for me not to share the details on it.

Oh. How do you know she’s bad? Did you learn this from protecting her?

So confused lol

Oh wow this is some crazy shit lol.

Why is Kate getting votes? I thought she was in the towncore?

Can someone give me a tl;dr?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:32 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:28 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:04 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:03 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:55 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:25 pm You think the only way town can win is with Mac playing?
No, i think if he gets mischopped ppl will point fingers at the ppl pushing him and theyre almost all town and the third mischop is lined up. Hes only getting scumread coz he was wrong on porscha. If he flips the same alignment as her i dont think its logical for people to change their approach / logic halfway midgame and forgive his choppers
But that would be the case with any misyeet, though. This happens in like every game and town wins quite often.

In any case I knew you are going to defend him regardless, so have fun. I just think that argument could be applied to anyone, not just Mac. And it happens all the time. Maybe people want to resolve his slot.
Weren't you townreading me?
I was. Maybe still am. I repeated Tutuus terminology about *mis* yeeting. I also have some issues with you. I posted about it this AM. just becasue I think you're possibly town doesn't mean I think everything you say or do is right.

it may not sound like it, but I really respect you as a player. But when you aggressively lead a misyeet on someone, you could try showing a little humility, instead of insisting anyone suspecting you is bad.
I haven't done that? I literally said most of them are town?

Part of what is bothering me is people keep saying I'm doing things I didn't.

I didn't tunnel Porscha. Making a wrong case isn't tunneling. Responding to everything someone says confbiasing it as wolfy is tunneling.

And I haven't insisted everyone suspecting me is bad.

And yet here you are saying I said you tunnelled Porscha when I didn't say that.

I'm going to dinner, have a happy party parrot.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:04 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 6:03 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:55 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:25 pm You think the only way town can win is with Mac playing?
No, i think if he gets mischopped ppl will point fingers at the ppl pushing him and theyre almost all town and the third mischop is lined up. Hes only getting scumread coz he was wrong on porscha. If he flips the same alignment as her i dont think its logical for people to change their approach / logic halfway midgame and forgive his choppers
But that would be the case with any misyeet, though. This happens in like every game and town wins quite often.

In any case I knew you are going to defend him regardless, so have fun. I just think that argument could be applied to anyone, not just Mac. And it happens all the time. Maybe people want to resolve his slot.
Weren't you townreading me?

I was. Maybe still am. I repeated Tutuus terminology about *mis* yeeting. I also have some issues with you. I posted about it this AM. just becasue I think you're possibly town doesn't mean I think everything you say or do is right.

it may not sound like it, but I really respect you as a player. But when you aggressively lead a misyeet on someone, you could try showing a little humility, instead of insisting anyone suspecting you is bad.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:55 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:25 pm You think the only way town can win is with Mac playing?
No, i think if he gets mischopped ppl will point fingers at the ppl pushing him and theyre almost all town and the third mischop is lined up. Hes only getting scumread coz he was wrong on porscha. If he flips the same alignment as her i dont think its logical for people to change their approach / logic halfway midgame and forgive his choppers

But that would be the case with any misyeet, though. This happens in like every game and town wins quite often.

In any case I knew you are going to defend him regardless, so have fun. I just think that argument could be applied to anyone, not just Mac. And it happens all the time. Maybe people want to resolve his slot.

Kate wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 2:44 pm

1 st point. This game is wacky. I think it's entirely possible that the game was set up with information but without communication. The wolves strength against the town is typically knowledge to contend against the towns numbers. If the baddies have no knowledge, they have no advantage.

Re your first point, it's a fair one. I'm surprised I didn't think of it myself.

This game is very reminiscent of Goldens BSG game, started with a solo baddie with no info who had to find teammates. This was after you'd stopped playing for a time. In that game, that was me. Not a role I'd like again, my condolences to Doe.

The recruitable baddies didn't even know they were bad, iirc. That was a great joy when one of them turned out to be Glorfindel who hated being bad so much that he refused to be recruited.

In any case, I lost that game, and I'm still salty over it. There was no chance I could win that one with out any info at all. Although I did build a lasting friendship with G Man, so that was a win.

So yeah, an informed minority is the basis of Mafia. I can't imagine Scotty would leave that element out of his set up, so maybe it was a slip on Wilgys part. Hard to say, Wilgy is one of those people who blooms late in the game. That little lashout I saw him do is something i've only seen when he was town, but I haven't seen all of his games.

Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:31 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 5:25 pm You think the only way town can win is with Mac playing?
No. But I do think it's extremely beneficial to town wincon to have a town Mac .

While I also value your opinion, especially here, you seem to have a better grip on Mac overall than I, this was aimed at Tutuu. She made a (from my POV) somewhat melodramatic post about how town was doomed if we misyeeted Mac. I was responding to that, but then someone posted in between.

You think the only way town can win is with Mac playing?

@Dennis what specifically are you seeing in Tutuus posts that I am not? Why are you townreading her?

Matahari wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 11:50 am @Kate Congratulations to Andrew @Roxy you are fierce! This is why I love you.
@S~V~S I remember the days when we both suspected each other right out the gate. I feel like I’ve learned to be patient and give it time too. I am confused about something in your post, when you mentioned the anniversary game. Not sure if you were talking about me or someone else. But I didn’t actually play that game, I was an observer and was allowed to have btsc with you one night, plus I got to vote Golden Something I love to do!

If I had to name my top suspect GtH, I could name someone now, even though I don’t want to yet. I like to observe awhile and keep my thoughts private. Early game it’s hard to be 100% certain about anyone, I just do the best I can. So, I’m going to continue observing.

I confuse that one with LGM. I only played part of Anniversary, so they tend to run together.

Dennis wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 11:45 am Okay I take back my svs townread

I remember thinking she's probably town but it's literally only because she made massive posts which is a pretty bad reason to townread someone

Yeah, I always make one or two big catch up posts. Sometimes I get townread for it, sometimes I get wolf read.

Did you read the content of it, or just gauge it by the size?

pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 8:34 pm
Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:42 am
pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 9:14 am Epi civ, Thunal sin, Mac virtue, tutuu massive sinner, DOOM virtue, zenon leaning sin, Kate the one scum, Dubz leaning sin, Scotty leaning host

ttyl
Kate mafia? How come? @pyxxy
wanted to see her react to me saying it

still very cautious doesn't really line up with the Kate that solved Sumemr Sh*t by N2 and died for it

I think she's a sin

Do you still think this? She had clearly delineated reasons for that amazing call out she did in Summer Shit, there was a bit of a baddie panic in real time that she was in the thread for that gave her that. There isn't anything even remotely like that here; while I guess she could be a sin, her game as Lost Wolf in Scooby Doo I think it was, was impressive, and I think (could be wrong) that the Purples are perhaps similar to lost wolves, comparing her to a game where there was (at least on Day One, not sure if that is still the case, would Scotty even tell us if a bad team forms?) is pretty unfair, don't you think?

I'm just catching up to you, so if you went into more detail after this point, sorry, I'm not there yet.

She=Matahari. For some reason i thought she was explicity mentioned in the post I quoted.

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 10:05 am
Zenon wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 10:00 am I don't see town though

At all.
and no one has a perfect record sorry if you do not see the town in her posts like I did not see the town in your posts last game. We all make mistakes. No one is perfect. That's why it's always good to listen to others *before* making a judgement.

I always tend to read her as bad. Pyxxy tends to read similarly to me (and Lemon as well, but they're not in this game). She finds little intricasies and makes unusual reads from them based on things I don't necessarily understand. And, like most people, I tend to view things i misunderstand as sinister to some extent. So, since I know this about myself, i give my reads of her a little room to grow. Years ago i used to sus her almost every game right out of the gate. Until I make up my mind, I can't give a GTH read on Mata (or Pyxxy, for that matter). Right now she read a bit like Anniversary to me in that one read, where she was bad. But her thoughts on Doom, where she said she maybe was reading into her, felt spot on town mata to me, because reading far into things is a town tell for me with Mata. I'd like to see her reads when she's less pressed for time.

@pyxxy since my thoughts on how I read Mata also apply to you.

Spoiler: show

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 9:29 am
S~V~S wrote: ↑Sat Jun 17, 2023 9:05 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:12 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:05 pm Blind faith in myself in all scenarios is the way.
ZENON IS PRIDE

how is she not pride

She keeps repeating this

And epi confirmed existence of forced gimmick/roleplay/post restriction related to sins
So do we think someone day targeted him? How does he have a posting restriction on Day One? When there was no previous night? Is anyone else claiming a Day One targeting? Wouldn't that just be the host? If this was already addressed imma feel like an idiot ha ha

Linki @tutuu and so could you, lol. Today you seem more like the town tutuu i saw in Crossover; were you just switching it up yesterday? Your game in Crossover was one of the civviest games I ever saw. The difference here was very notable to me. My thought was YOU were purple because you were trying not to get in anyones face early on, every suspicion you had you backed off of when the person you were talking about counterpointed. Trying to avoid suspecting your potential teammates, basically.

I am still conflicted there, I voted for you becasue you were, of the people with votes, the person I most thought less likely to be town within the mechanics of this game. Enough to not move my vote from you to a person I had no real read on, Porscha.
I dunno re:epi, could be a day action, his funky role could have made him do it from d1

As for me my dear sweet fluffy svs i was just bored, and also ive been traumatized by so many of the crazy role madness games ive played here on my beloved syndicate (probably every single one, it started with nook being a mafia godfather jailkeeper redirector (all 3 at once), went over to alison 3p gambit demon, and it all went downhill for me from here) that i didnt have it in me to put in the effort only to get sad yet again

Altho sdn game was also rolemadness it was advertised as more vanilla

Hey so far im 2/2 on right reads, i had porscha and doom as town from one if their first posts, so not bad not bad!!!

I am a bit fluffy, I have big poofy curly hair lol.

I just searched your ISO for Porscha, and I see you are right, you voted self pres.

TBH I kinda checked out of the EOD because real life and also I am not a fan of someone strongarming the thread, and I usually check out when that happens becasue I tend to get heated and start momma bearing people and it never ends well. I had no read on Porscha and I didn't want to start momma bearing her when for all I knew, Mac was right. I based my sus of you on your backing off your suspicions early and the contrast between this and Crossover, moreso than your specific suspicions. I was at peace with my vote. Maybe each day is a reset in this game ha ha

Also re role madness, I much much prefer role madness. It suits my skills, it's more of a mystery when you have to solve more than one killer, who are also trying to solve each other. More or a challenge for town for sure.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:36 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:31 pm Doom kill is 100% a kill I'd make as wolf.
If I was a solo mafia and had one single kill to make n1 I kill Kate.

Finally we agree lol

@Zenon Sorry if I'm lame. If you don't like it, don't do it. But the original purpose was to make catch ups easier; you knew you could skip the green posts becasue they weren't game relevant. Those of us who only might have limited time to play might find it helpful. xox, and I'm Ok with being lame.

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:12 pm
Zenon wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 11:05 pm Blind faith in myself in all scenarios is the way.
ZENON IS PRIDE

how is she not pride

She keeps repeating this

And epi confirmed existence of forced gimmick/roleplay/post restriction related to sins

So do we think someone day targeted him? How does he have a posting restriction on Day One? When there was no previous night? Is anyone else claiming a Day One targeting? Wouldn't that just be the host? If this was already addressed imma feel like an idiot ha ha

Linki @tutuu and so could you, lol. Today you seem more like the town tutuu i saw in Crossover; were you just switching it up yesterday? Your game in Crossover was one of the civviest games I ever saw. The difference here was very notable to me. My thought was YOU were purple because you were trying not to get in anyones face early on, every suspicion you had you backed off of when the person you were talking about counterpointed. Trying to avoid suspecting your potential teammates, basically.

I am still conflicted there, I voted for you becasue you were, of the people with votes, the person I most thought less likely to be town within the mechanics of this game. Enough to not move my vote from you to a person I had no real read on, Porscha.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 10:53 pm Epi isn't towny
Doom wanted to kill Epi
Doom tried to stop the Porscha wagon
We sheep Doom

What? Ok, now you're really making it hard lol. I just checked over her ISO, and she didn't mention or address him until he voted for her.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 10:53 pm Earlier, I was made to post in ways that alluded to the seven deadly sins.

If you will notice, my first post was lust, my second (to S~V~S) was envy, etc.
Hope I didn't offend anyone. I am free to post normally.

Wait. A. Minute.

First

I DID kinda like that post, and you puffed me up a bit. I assumed you meant it becasue it would have been too obvious as a pocket attempt. So

Second, you were trargeted with a posting condition on Day One? How does that happen? I am on page 33, so sorry if you already addressed this. But I don't understand how that would happen, and it really wasn't that obvious, so why did you feel the need to address it?

linki @tutuu , k, I wasn't sure I understood your point, and wanted to make sure I did.

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 10:25 pm I dont think mac is evil, he could just chill as 3p. He knows how much lashback he gets if he misses the chop

Alternatively if hes 3p its coz he had a legit read that porscha is evil and wanted the clout by pelting her

So even if mac is evil he had the legit read that porscha isnt town imo (i do think hes town but im jus saying)

This is the curse of multiball games really

Imo and ime the reads that give the most merit in crazy multiball games is just - whos acting uncharacteristic, and who derpcleared. To me thats the only thing that matters

What are you saying here about multiball? Most of my Mafia career was multiball, and this really isn't it, or it wasn't on Day 1. We have a bunch of 3P with their own win cons we don't know. It may just be survive to the end, or it may be parity with the civs, which WOULD make them bad. They are *potentially* evil, and probably hope they never get recruiited or whatever the mechanism is for them changing alignment.

Day one was a rootin tootin shitshow, lol. But it was not typical multiball. No one had any reason to defend or avoid anyone else. It was inevitable that we yeeted a townie tbh in these conditions.

But you're here making excuses for Mac even if he's evil. What's that?

I personally still don't think he's bad, but he's not making it easy, tbh, a mis yeet was inevitable, but I really hope this game doesn't turn into a popularity contest. "I like Player X, therefore they're not bad."

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 10:57 pm Secret very smart theory I refuse to share > vig kill and stopped wolf kill > misdirected kill > wolf thinks Doom is annoying

In order of likelihood in why Doom was killed.

I have my thoughts on this, too. She was very towny, but not aggro towny in peoples faces, EXCEPT for Epi. So I think it was done maybe to frame Epi. Since I don't see Epi making a super super obvious kill like that. He's a club in thread, but he's a rapier BTS. that kill from Epi would be too clubbish. NKing the main person who suspects you is kinda pedestrian.

Plus I hope we're all grown up enough not to NK people for reasons like your last one.

After Porscha Dies:

MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 10:29 pm I think I am gonna largely just be kind to myself and chalk it up to a bad phase. If yall wanna push me off of it that's your prerog. I still stand by all my solving.

Trying to get Everyone to vote Porscha

Spoiler: show

lulz

I am certainly not trying to be unkind, but seriously.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Jun 16, 2023 10:49 pm The internet said this movie was on paramount and Hulu but it lied I don’t have the required add ons

I watched it just this week on either Showtime or Prime. So Paramount would have it BUT prolly the Showtime add on. I had my Showtime on Prime, but with Yellowjackets over imma turn it off, but when I restart it it will be on paramount, becasue it was cheaper there than on Prime. In any case I think Showtime has a free trial 1 or 3 weeks.

Linki @Zenon no you don't it looks to me like you tried pretty hard to stop it.

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 9:35 pm
Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 9:16 pm
Kate wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:20 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 6:33 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 6:18 pm I dunno what I'm apparently missing with tutuu here but I'm seeing normal tutuu lol.
I went back and looked at her day one in Crossover, and it was so so different than this. This looks like OT Discord Tutuu, not like townie baddie hunting Tutuu.

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 5:03 pm I got some yucky feels on wilgy and I'm uber surprised no one else is talking about this.

I'm caught up reading and I feel no better about tutuu.

In summary:
wilgy
Tutuu

Explain yucky feelings? I felt the opposite. You prolly recall, I had a chance to play bad Wilgy and civvie Wilgy pretty much simultaneously in your Meta Game (he was bad) and Hot Dog Fingers. After he killed me in Meta, and I found he was bad, I was able to contrast him clearly in HDF since I had been reading him the opposite of reality. He was only posting in the word 'yes' or maybe 'no' in HDF, but when I did something he didn't like, he was super clear about it. Crystal. His reply (spoilered below) to Pyxxy about his vote 'feels' the exact same way to me.

So tell me what you see that I don't.

Spoiler: show
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 5:37 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 11:20 am
pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:54 am

ah okay here, let me help you make this kind of post NAI for you

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine
Does Pyxxy legitimately think that voting me would suddenly turn a post that should be NAI to a post that should be NAI? How does your voting me ACTUALLY make a difference here?

I wasn't giving you anything AI in the first place.
@RondoDimBuckle , since you were asking about pee pee this AM, this post makes me feel OK about Wilgy, this is the kind of snappy remark he made to me when I voted for him in HDF for a weak reason. He was doing his Wilgy thing, then he snapped to attention and rebuked me for saying something dopey. Just like this post ^^. As opposed to Meta, where he had me pocketed so hard I'm still picking lint from my hair.

I went back and skimmed Tutuu in Wwerecreatures, because I thought she was similar there, but, nah, I was wrong. She was hard civving there from the get go. Is changing up her game a thing she does? Plus earlier today she was doing that thing that looked like flinging the shit to see what sticks. But we have more than half the day to go, I'd like to hear more from her before I pile on.

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 5:31 pm
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 5:29 pm Nothing more boring than finding concentrations and equilibrium constants

I can't wait to never do chemistry again
I wish i had any reason to take a math or chemistry class.

Go take it if you want, go to your local community college and take courses. I started taking some lit and history classes just for fun. You don't need a reason.

I have to go do something for about 45 mins (loving this retirement ) and I'll pull the post but it was under the Simpson on the bus and the falcon is town sign and he spoke about 'TMI.'
I think that was a derp. If he's scum without TMI, I don't think he would believe something is a TMI pocket attempt.
But what if he's a scum WITH TMI?

Do you think there was BTS on Day One? It would be weird for the Sins to have BTS if they can change alignments. If it's true that there is no BTS, there is no TMI on day one. The exception would be it's possible that Doe knows who the baddies could be. In BSG I had a role that looks to be a lot like Doe; I was the baddie kingpin, but I had to search for my teammates. I didn't who they were, though. IIRC Scotty played that game, too, so I'm guessing there may be some similar elements.

My main point in making that post to you, though, was to explain why I didn't vote for Wilgy in Hot Dog Fingers when you were sure he was bad, I don't think we ever discussed post game WHY i didn't follow you there. What I saw there that gave me pause, I saw something similar here. I could be a zillion percent wrong, this is Wilgy, but that two game bad/good perspective i had in Meta/HDF gave me some insight into how *I* read him.

On to finish catching up. I see from a quick skim that no one quit mafia over misyeeting Porscha as promised. Unsurprised at hyperbole used to persuade people.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:35 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:33 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:31 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:27 pm Why the hell are people voting Tutuu anyway?
same reason you were voting me for the better part of 48 hours I assume
"No particular reason?"
yeah i was going with this one

the only person who has even attempted to articulate a reason was kate and it was a bad reason... everyone else hasn't even stated one beyond "tutuu feels off" level poopreads.

I went back and reread her Day One civ game in another thread to contrast it to this, and I clearly said so more than once before I voted for her. Disagreeing with you does not a poopread make. The other people with votes were people I was more positively townreading.

That was weird, when I clicked on the smile here ^^ it posted the one posted in the last post. How odd. I had to take the '2' out to get the one I wanted.

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:20 pm
S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 6:33 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 6:18 pm I dunno what I'm apparently missing with tutuu here but I'm seeing normal tutuu lol.
I went back and looked at her day one in Crossover, and it was so so different than this. This looks like OT Discord Tutuu, not like townie baddie hunting Tutuu.

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 5:03 pm I got some yucky feels on wilgy and I'm uber surprised no one else is talking about this.

I'm caught up reading and I feel no better about tutuu.

In summary:
wilgy
Tutuu

Explain yucky feelings? I felt the opposite. You prolly recall, I had a chance to play bad Wilgy and civvie Wilgy pretty much simultaneously in your Meta Game (he was bad) and Hot Dog Fingers. After he killed me in Meta, and I found he was bad, I was able to contrast him clearly in HDF since I had been reading him the opposite of reality. He was only posting in the word 'yes' or maybe 'no' in HDF, but when I did something he didn't like, he was super clear about it. Crystal. His reply (spoilered below) to Pyxxy about his vote 'feels' the exact same way to me.

So tell me what you see that I don't.

Spoiler: show
S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 5:37 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 11:20 am
pyxxy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:54 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 10:49 am Wolfy 4th vote on Tutuu.

Have a nice day.
ah okay here, let me help you make this kind of post NAI for you

[VOTE: Wilgy] aubergine
Does Pyxxy legitimately think that voting me would suddenly turn a post that should be NAI to a post that should be NAI? How does your voting me ACTUALLY make a difference here?

I wasn't giving you anything AI in the first place.
@RondoDimBuckle , since you were asking about pee pee this AM, this post makes me feel OK about Wilgy, this is the kind of snappy remark he made to me when I voted for him in HDF for a weak reason. He was doing his Wilgy thing, then he snapped to attention and rebuked me for saying something dopey. Just like this post ^^. As opposed to Meta, where he had me pocketed so hard I'm still picking lint from my hair.

I went back and skimmed Tutuu in Wwerecreatures, because I thought she was similar there, but, nah, I was wrong. She was hard civving there from the get go. Is changing up her game a thing she does? Plus earlier today she was doing that thing that looked like flinging the shit to see what sticks. But we have more than half the day to go, I'd like to hear more from her before I pile on.

Kate wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 5:31 pm
DaughterOfOmega wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 5:29 pm Nothing more boring than finding concentrations and equilibrium constants

I can't wait to never do chemistry again
I wish i had any reason to take a math or chemistry class.

Go take it if you want, go to your local community college and take courses. I started taking some lit and history classes just for fun. You don't need a reason.

I have to go do something for about 45 mins (loving this retirement ) and I'll pull the post but it was under the Simpson on the bus and the falcon is town sign and he spoke about 'TMI.'

Oh OK, I saw that post. I didn't read as much into it. I'll check it out, and if you don't get back tonight and I'm still

I'll @ you

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 4:43 pm
Spoiler: show
S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 7:09 am OK, that was 1.5 hours of my life i'll never get back. As soon as I go to bed, BOOM, thread is jumping. I'm not going to bother quoting I'll just do @'s.

I don't think there is any BTSC yet. Usually about halfway through Day One, patterns start forming, and that's when those of us who find it easier to baddie hunt than form town cores start to get an idea for who might be in cahoots. None of those patterns are forming, it's like the wild west out there, everyone for themself.

For now I'll drop a [VOTE: Michelle] aubergine. things could change. I went back and skimmed Michelles iso in Anniversary, where she was bad. Falcon said if she has less than 5 posts day one, she's bad. I stopped counting at 20 in that game. So going with my own ping for now. If anyone else has a reason to townread her, @ me, even if you already posted, I'm only up to page 18.

At this stage I think Mac is town, and I don't know what I think of Tutuu. She certainly looks zero like town Tutuu in the Crossover game. I agree to some extent with @Epignosis here; tbh i am not reading most of her posts. All the Capslock and the dot dot dot and pictures of people screaming ... I don't like playing the ND card, but I'm having problems reading her, her posts are a bit of sensory overload for me, not unlike the peoiple who have problems reading big walls o'text. Not telling her to stop, she should do her, but don't be offended if i don't read it. People I feel good about are both defending and voting for her, and I am not ready to vote there based on my own thoughts at this point.

@MacDougall I hope I am not one of the people who boxes you in with expectations. Whatever expectations I have for you were pretty much fulfilled when you first came in and you were just lolcatting and having fun. Don't let people force you to be Boss GOAT if you don't wanna be that. And if you wanna be that, tell me to STFU.

I did not completely catch up to last night, I'm up to page 18 but had to stop if i wanted to post. Is your only reason for townreading Tutuu becasue she is townreading you? And you posted a list and asked, if anyone can give you a reason why any of these people aren't bad, and then people did, and your response was, "What about the rest of the list?". That felt a bit like trap-ish to me, am I misreading your intent?

I think @Dennis v @RondoDimBuckle is a big circular nitpicking exercise. I stopped reading it after about the 8th time I saw the same post quoted. Did you guys come to a conclusion? I have concluded that you are both pedantic.

@Kate has someone been editing?

There will be more but I need to do a quick reads list, it's in no real order, just alpha.

People I am very unlikely to vote for today (doesn't mean I necessarily 100% think they're town, but I lean that way and have no reason to think they aren't)

Doom, drops a lot of truth bombs, feels sincere
Dennis, when he finally showed up, he showed up. A lot of well thought out points, even if I don't necessarily agree with them all.
Wilgy, it was one post, but I got a towny feel from him. I hope to see more of him.
Epignosis, I get why some people might find his reasoning re yeeting Doe Day 1 sus, but it's pretty much quintessential Epi, and like Doom, he's dropping unfiltered truth bombs.
Kate, she's civving pretty hard
Mac, I have no clue what his "scumrange" is, but I don't think he's in it
Nanook, Don't have alot of playing experience with him? But he seems reasonable and benevolent and I like his reads
Rondo, liking his engagement, feels open and not agenda-ish
Roxy, as usual not saying much, but putting alot of opinion into a small space
Zenon, Feels pretty much like her usual breezy contrarian self.

These are either no clue, or they haven't made much of an impression on me either way. Most of them have more posts than me so this is probably my failing, not theirs.

Dubz
Falcon
Jack
Matahari (she hasn't posted at all where are you @Matahari ?
Porscha
Seanzie
Thunal

Looking at that ^^ I especially think i should have an opinion on Dubz and Thunal, I'll read them today.

At this time, this is who I would consider voting

Michelle
Tutuu
I love this post so much. I wish I had made it.

[VOTE: Michelle] aubergine

PSA: We have an Off-Topic button (OT) for posts that have nothing to do with this game.

Aw shucks

And bringing back the OT would make catching up so much easier.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 6:18 pm I dunno what I'm apparently missing with tutuu here but I'm seeing normal tutuu lol.

I went back and looked at her day one in Crossover, and it was so so different than this. This looks like OT Discord Tutuu, not like townie baddie hunting Tutuu.

Kate wrote: ↑Thu Jun 15, 2023 5:03 pm I got some yucky feels on wilgy and I'm uber surprised no one else is talking about this.

I'm caught up reading and I feel no better about tutuu.

In summary:
wilgy
Tutuu

Explain yucky feelings? I felt the opposite. You prolly recall, I had a chance to play bad Wilgy and civvie Wilgy pretty much simultaneously in your Meta Game (he was bad) and Hot Dog Fingers. After he killed me in Meta, and I found he was bad, I was able to contrast him clearly in HDF since I had been reading him the opposite of reality. He was only posting in the word 'yes' or maybe 'no' in HDF, but when I did something he didn't like, he was super clear about it. Crystal. His reply (spoilered below) to Pyxxy about his vote 'feels' the exact same way to me.

So tell me what you see that I don't.

Spoiler: show

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