The Syndicate

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:36 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:35 pm It's a fuckin day power and I got what should have been your power to use last night in exchange.
What is my power, Jack? And who did you use it on?

I don't mind you saying. I've already claimed.

Rolecop. Eloh. Power could be either alignment.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:35 pm What did you send to speedchuck, Jack?

A vest.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:32 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:21 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:19 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:19 pm I don't know what that means because I haven't read LC's claim yet.
I don't know what your tagging speedchuck means. He seems to believe LC that you're bad though.
That's cause he doesn't know what he got came from me.

There's no way there's a wolf doing what I'm doing.
Four options here:
1. Jack got redirected
2. Jack got blocked
3. Epi missed sending a notification
4. Jack is causing confusion by lying randomly

Sorry Jack, I have recieved nothing whatsoever. And I'm, like, a primo subject. Why would you give me anything?

None of those are possible.

It's a fuckin day power and I got what should have been your power to use last night in exchange.

My role is bonkers or both you and LC are lying.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:30 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:15 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:13 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:12 pm I'm not bad and I can prove it.
how
@speedchuck

You're welcome and thanks for the trade.
What?

Seriously?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:24 pm We'll see.

Would I lie to you, Jay?

Okay, that's not exactly true that a wolf couldn't do it but it's pretty freaking protown.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:19 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:19 pm I don't know what that means because I haven't read LC's claim yet.
I don't know what your tagging speedchuck means. He seems to believe LC that you're bad though.

That's cause he doesn't know what he got came from me.

There's no way there's a wolf doing what I'm doing.

I don't know what that means because I haven't read LC's claim yet.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:13 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:12 pm I'm not bad and I can prove it.
how

[mention]speedchuck[/mention]

You're welcome and thanks for the trade.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:12 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:37 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:58 pm Ugh. Here's the thing. Jack is bad.

So, knowing Jack is bad, I just think back to these posts:

Hopefully after tonight I'll glean more from a nice reread.
Please clarify this for me. How do we know Jack is bad? Did I miss something? Or are you just saying what you feel certain about?
The water turned to cherry wine. Two nights. That means Jack is bad.

Dafuck is this?

I'm not bad and I can prove it.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:09 pm I'm like 10 pages behind, not sure when I'll catch up since this week's pretty busy. Strongly considering skipping all post-Mac lynch content.

You should at least read Jay’s and Eloh’s Posts.

Bleh. Now the POE math is messed up too.

Quick before Jay dies and can’t make graphs.

Let’s play gth

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:49 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:57 pm Does anyone have concerns about DDL? I handed him a big juicy dark green skittle, but I grant that in his case the credit is less clearly-apparent than with dunya or nutella.
This is a man who is going to lynch his suspect list of 8 and never look back.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:49 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:41 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:36 pm Four things JJJ has done that made me "hmmmm":
1. Moving to lynch a lurker when we had a valid scum lynch on the burner. Does Jay not recognize a scumlynch when he sees it? And if not, why did he go...
2. Taking credit for the Mac lynch. Screw any taking credit. It's all garbage. It looks even worse here. JJJ is capable of bussing to hell and back, as I have seen recently.
3. Suspecting me based primarily on Mac's rampant buddying of me. He can do better, and he's not, not even when...
4. Constructing a scumspect list based almost entirely on like three mac interactions and widespread inactivity. Calling it a POE when it's either not that or is a terrible idea.
Tell me about that second point.
I can recall immediately three scum JJJ games I was in.
In Mountain Mafia, JJJ got lynched and we killed all his scummates by killing all the people he cased.
In Phenon, I technically outted his partner night one, so there was no bussing to be had.
In the Bulba game we just recently played, I remembered him as bussing but when I go and look back, it's more complicated than that. One of his teammates clashed with him through D1 and ended up asking for replacement. JJJ said just lynch him instead. Then he claimed and Sloonei counterclaimed, sealing his fate.

Not quite bussing.

That said, I respect JJJ as a player of mafia (whatever the aggressive tone of my posts may be) and I'm pretty sure he could bus.

If you're talking specifically about him taking credit in this game, gimme a bit.

Nah, that’s what I wanted. Mountains Jay is the only baddie Jay I’ve seen.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:47 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:46 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:44 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:38 pm Speedchuck is technically right about suspect lists and poe.
No he isn't. POE doesn't mean "we're going to lynch the people in this set one-by-one until the game is over" as though everyone else is forever immune to all investigation. That is pure bullshit.
But it literally does. That’s what process of elimination means. We’ve eliminated all other choices. Baddie are here by poe.
Nobody has ever played that way. It's ridiculous. Do you think that's what I mean when I construct a POE?

I don't care about these "technicalities" and this mindless pedantry.

Nope.

That’s why I didn’t freak out and said Speed is technically correct.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:44 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:38 pm Speedchuck is technically right about suspect lists and poe.
No he isn't. POE doesn't mean "we're going to lynch the people in this set one-by-one until the game is over" as though everyone else is forever immune to all investigation. That is pure bullshit.

But it literally does. That’s what process of elimination means. We’ve eliminated all other choices. Baddie are here by poe.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:36 pm Four things JJJ has done that made me "hmmmm":
1. Moving to lynch a lurker when we had a valid scum lynch on the burner. Does Jay not recognize a scumlynch when he sees it? And if not, why did he go...
2. Taking credit for the Mac lynch. Screw any taking credit. It's all garbage. It looks even worse here. JJJ is capable of bussing to hell and back, as I have seen recently.
3. Suspecting me based primarily on Mac's rampant buddying of me. He can do better, and he's not, not even when...
4. Constructing a scumspect list based almost entirely on like three mac interactions and widespread inactivity. Calling it a POE when it's either not that or is a terrible idea.

Tell me about that second point.

Speedchuck is technically right about suspect lists and poe.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:27 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:24 pm
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speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:09 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:51 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:45 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:22 pm Elohcin
leetic
Long Con
Lunalee
Neverwhere
reywaS
speedchuck
nijuukyugou
It just so happens that my previous rainbow was nicely situated to eight suspects.

I'd love to see other people's lists though. I'm sure there will be differences. Eight is a bunch.
Solid PoE but the number of default additions is concerning for the game's health. It'd be something if Mafia are mostly inactives, laying low and we got their wannabe deep wolf D1.
It's concerning for more reasons, too. I feel like this list is mostly defaults. I'd be wary of narrowing down to the people that are hardly playing, like everyone else is town.

As a thought exercise, maybe this is okay, but it is an anti-town POE. Worth very little, and potentially crippling if we follow it. D1 didn't have enough substance to absolve many people of being mafia. JJJ isn't clear, nor is Jack, nor is DDL. If any one of them are scum (and that's definitely possible at this point) then this POE is game over.
Sounds like something a wolf would say.
I am conscious of that. I'm always conscious of that. I just sometimes refuse to care.

My goal for the rest of the night is to shade JJJ with doubts and suspicions because he's done some things that make me double take, but then stop short of casing him because that's a lot of effort.

Lol okay.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 3:09 pm
novaselinenever wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:51 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:45 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:22 pm Elohcin
leetic
Long Con
Lunalee
Neverwhere
reywaS
speedchuck
nijuukyugou
It just so happens that my previous rainbow was nicely situated to eight suspects.

I'd love to see other people's lists though. I'm sure there will be differences. Eight is a bunch.
Solid PoE but the number of default additions is concerning for the game's health. It'd be something if Mafia are mostly inactives, laying low and we got their wannabe deep wolf D1.
It's concerning for more reasons, too. I feel like this list is mostly defaults. I'd be wary of narrowing down to the people that are hardly playing, like everyone else is town.

As a thought exercise, maybe this is okay, but it is an anti-town POE. Worth very little, and potentially crippling if we follow it. D1 didn't have enough substance to absolve many people of being mafia. JJJ isn't clear, nor is Jack, nor is DDL. If any one of them are scum (and that's definitely possible at this point) then this POE is game over.

Sounds like something a wolf would say.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:42 pm MacDougall and Dragon D. Luffy

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 7:54 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:05 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:32 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:26 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:10 am Yay I love tearing apart silly "fishing for reaction" day 0 arguments.

Yet here you are with zero reads. What have you accomplished?
What is this, a job interview?

I don't have to accomplish shit.
This feels fake and reinforces DDL/Jay not w/w.
I felt quite the opposite to this Jack. It's a perfectly natural reaction from DDL to Jay spew.

Mac stood in DDL's defense when Jack said he felt fake. It's certainly white-knighting. The meaning of that will be easier to judge as I observe the trend that I know will develop.

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:44 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:38 am I feel some of the people townreading me are bad. At least one of them

Feels like one of those games where I manage to post in a very obvious civ way which convinces people, but baddies already noticed that and are blending in.

I might get NKd soon.
I feel like I've been able to civ read you better lately. Things that I used to incorrectly read you as Mafia for I now see as civ traits. Tbh it was mostly my cynicism because I used to read you bad for having strong insights that I chalked up to TMI but I've come to realise that we sort of see the game similarly. The way that I have been handling our interactions in games lately is a lot of the reason I feel my civilian game has improved. That and taking a back seat more. I realised that even though I have strong insight into scum, that brute forcing my opinions into the thread was counterintuitive to civilian wins and started playing more cerebrally. Less plaudits but stronger results. Only took me 8 years.

DDL suggested there might be a mafioso among the people reading him as a civilian. He did not specifically name Mac, but Mac nonetheless felt the need to respond. This is severe over-justification, and I think it's nice for DDL that it wasn't a two-way interaction. If he wanted to distance from Mac I'd expect him to name Mac.

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MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:37 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 12:05 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:32 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:26 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Apr 21, 2019 10:10 am Yay I love tearing apart silly "fishing for reaction" day 0 arguments.

Yet here you are with zero reads. What have you accomplished?
What is this, a job interview?

I don't have to accomplish shit.
This feels fake and reinforces DDL/Jay not w/w.
Looping back around on this one I questioned before, I got the distinctly opposite impression from reading that DDL post. It's exactly how I would have felt. Don't like that we're not on the same page in this game Jack. My face has scrunched up in confusion from several of your posts.

This is an extension of the first point. Mac used his civilian read on DDL as a conduit to shit on Jack, which is certainly compatible with TMI.

Dark green in Mac's rainbow -- unsurprising

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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:29 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 6:42 pm I am trying to make heads or tails of this mac juliets weirdness and nope.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 10:33 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Mon Apr 22, 2019 8:02 pm Nutella hiding behind a posting gimmick and throwing TMI all over the place then giving weak player salad suspicions without sincerity and preempting suspicion = die.
I don't wanna parrot people but this is the third time someone attacks nutella and I agree with it.

Let's [VOTE: nutella] aubergine before Mac also joins the ranks of the "maybe nutella is a civ" crew too and I lose my point of support.

DDL supported Mac against nutella. He did say that Mac's attack was the third he agreed with, lending some plausibility to the notion that Mac is only an incidental part of this. DDL didn't mention the other people though.

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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:48 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:46 am Pretty sure it was you who actually told me to start doing that quite a while ago too.
Not sure if I told it to you directly, but it is reqlly something I did myself. I used to tunnel vision a lot more.

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:49 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 7:48 am Oh yeah it's in my sig hahaha.
Oh that.

Okay whatever

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Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 12:07 pm You mean that nagging feeling Mac is pocketing me? I have it too.

It would be a creative approach for mafia teammates to take here -- one of them strongly supports the other, while the reverse is distancing by way of "pocketing". I don't get that impression. DDL was on to Mac's shit.

DDL's vote ended the day on nutella.

~~~

Conclusion: I don't think DDL is a likely teammate of Mac.

Where’s the part of this that explains why DDL and Mac aren’t teamed?

This reads like a light green to yellow analysis.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:59 pm jack feels like world flags jack except he doesn't seem as eager to be nk'd. especially his damn stubbornness with regards to the juliets and daisy, and not caring how bad it made him look.

Lol well I’m not a pgo this time.

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dunya wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:56 pm i dunno how i feel about kites and his mac vote when it happened now that it happened. i wouldn't be as bold as to put kites and nova in green as it stands. daisy has town read civ to me with her interaction with jack. also it's her bday and illegal to suspect her today. ( don't @ me jay)

We used to lynch people on their birthday on HCRealms.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:48 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:47 pm I don’t think we’re quite to 8 on the poe but hey, it’s N1.
Not a solid, confident 8, no. All we can do in any phase though is give our best guess.

I mean that’s a fine 8 and you can do stuff like take Eloh out if Blooper is scum or if someone claims to have copped LC or whatever.

juliets wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 2:45 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:44 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:41 pm But really though how can niju not be bad
Cause Juliets/Jay/Jack/Mac has a nicer ring to it.

Niju only makes sense with Juliets like Ninjuliets and that’s a better hydra name anyhow.
I can't tell if you're kidding because ninjuliets sounds nice or if you are serious. If you're serious what is it you see that you think makes me and ninja fit together?

I’m entirely serious that ya’ll should hydra together and call your hydra account Ninjuliets.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 11:22 pm Based on a combination of those interactions and my impressions of players at face value:

Dragon D. Luffy
dunya
nutella

Jackofhearts2005
juliets
Kites
Matahari
novaselinenever
Spacedaisy

Elohcin
leetic
Long Con
Lunalee
Neverwhere
reywaS

speedchuck

nijuukyugou

I don’t think we’re quite to 8 on the poe but hey, it’s N1.

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:52 pm i lied, i'm actually way too lazy and under time constraints for other shit to look at friggin seinfeld mafia, but yeah, someone else break a leg

Was Blooper town or scum there?

dunya wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:45 pm
nijuukyugou wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 5:04 pm I’ll go nutella, then, simply because she has more votes besides Mac, and because Mac votes are apparently last minute, which, as you’ve said, is usually a mafia move.
who is she talking to there? i couldn't tell.

Jay, I think.

It’s yuck regardless, blaming someone else for her vote. Probably spews whoever she’s talking about town if she flips red.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:41 pm But really though how can niju not be bad

Cause Juliets/Jay/Jack/Mac has a nicer ring to it.

Niju only makes sense with Juliets like Ninjuliets and that’s a better hydra name anyhow.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:37 pm
dunya wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:34 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 1:32 pm I don't randomly reverse my take on nutella
why did you?
I've said I will not answer that. Realize please that I am not Mister Secrets about any reads unless I feel like I don't have a choice. You (specifically you) may already know the answer anyway if you take a moment to consider it.

Daycop. Got it.

Probably cause I left my ritalin at home.

I’m so bored. Send in your night actions.

Shit. I meant to take the img code off.

[mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]

^New avatar for you.

It’s perfect so you don’t need to check it just put it as your avatar.

You didn’t really want that gif anyhow.

leetic wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 11:47 am Hello! Sorry for the inactivity, the holiday was rather busy for me and I am also focused on a Hydra game on Bulba. Can someone give me a quick overview of what happened so far? Gracias

We lynched Mac and he was scum. Jay did interactive reads of Mac with everybody.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:13 am
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:04 am
Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:59 am I think LC and niju would be easy targets for mafia. Honestly, I think they are civs who just aren't paying attention to a damn thing. They are the kind of civs this game that keep civs from winning.

I'm going to be working most of today. I'll probably only be back come Day 2
Why do you think they’re civs?
I think they would be here and paying more attention if they were bad. Niju would be making at least one meaningful post. She would be trying instead of forgetting. I have been in her shoes - civ, busy, and forgetting I am even playing mafia. I have never forgotten I am playing when I am mafia. LC is one of the syndicate's original hard core players. Maybe things have changed for him, but I don't think he would sign up to play and be this lazy if he were bad.

I’ve been hearing since I joined that you have this meta of being more involved as scum. I’ve not seen this pattern from most other players.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:17 am I want to hear more from chuck today. Are you off your meds man?

I wanna hear the names of some of your recent scumgames.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 9:14 am sorry, I was getting coffee and what not. I do have to go soon and get to work.

Talkin to myself, apparently.

Elohcin wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 8:59 am I think LC and niju would be easy targets for mafia. Honestly, I think they are civs who just aren't paying attention to a damn thing. They are the kind of civs this game that keep civs from winning.

I'm going to be working most of today. I'll probably only be back come Day 2

Why do you think they’re civs?

My only principle is catching wolves

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Personally, I prefer to sometimes be lynched via cfd than to go no lynch on D5. Or every D1. That’s “back in the day politeness” to me where every game was stacked with powers and incredibly townsided and balanced by the town playing with kid gloves.

Now about them scum games.

Morning, Eloh. Hope you’re feeling better.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:23 pm
Matahari wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:20 pm Jack - really pushes players, came out hard against Daisy and Juliet’s, when almost no one else agreed. Did complete about face around lynch time. I need to reread him, I would have said leaning bad, but I want to reread first.

Jay - seems the same as last game, seems town, but I could be fooled. I’ll stick with town for now.

Juliet’s - seems quieter than usual. I thought she was raked over the coals for a simple joke earlier, but I need to reread her too. Maybe all the grilling over what seemed like a joke to me, put her off a bit.

Linki will answer in a few.

You know, that would be a really good mafia team js.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 9:22 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2019 8:51 pm @speedchuck

Psycho Pass or Hat In Time?
The latter.

Haven't seen PP.

Wait what? What was the anime you were telling me to watch when I was telling you to watch Fate while my teammates were being ripped limb from limb in VH?

I always suspect Eloh so I only remember her town games where I was mafia.

Eloh was town in Gossip Girl? When was she last mafia?

[mention]speedchuck[/mention]

Psycho Pass or Hat In Time?

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