Steely Dan Mafia [ENDGAME]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

dunya griping about my reads being fake is the worst thing in this thread. She knows me better than that.

Funny how you say this and then have barely looked at dunya since even going as far as to give her a green skittle.

Did you have a laff?

[MacDougall]

Current gut read after having caught up

Jack - bad
Jay - bad
Dunya - Town
Luna - Town
Mata - Town
Nova - Town
Juliets - slight bad lean
Speed - Town
Nutella - rude

Everyone else is null.

I'd like to hear more about your Jay and Jack suspicions.

[nutella]

Hey nutella where do you gain the confidence to deflect suspicions on [not you] this early in the game with such hubris?

From nova being 2019 Best Civilian, in which I have especial confidence conferred upon me by my position as 2018 Best Civilian.

[MacDougall]

dunya griping about my reads being fake is the worst thing in this thread. She knows me better than that.

Funny how you say this and then have barely looked at dunya since even going as far as to give her a green skittle.

Did you have a laff?

Yeah I laughed so hard I pooped in my pants.

[MacDougall]

Hey nutella where do you gain the confidence to deflect suspicions on [not you] this early in the game with such hubris?

From nova being 2019 Best Civilian, in which I have especial confidence conferred upon me by my position as 2018 Best Civilian.

Fart

[MacDougall]

I do though. Also I just haven't spent enough time in the thread to develop anything from what little interaction there has been. Sorry I've been doing other things in my life Trying to save up my energy for the championship I guess.

You just told me that there has been no actual discussion. That's bullshit. A civilian nutella does not struggle to form some perspectives in a Day 0 that has already amassed 260 posts.

I have almost 70 posts and have dedicated a number of them to attacking you. Take a stance.

I have taken stances. Nova town. Speed bad (not sure if I still think that). Add to that you are town, juliets, luna, and mac are on notice. Call that salad, see if I care. I don't even know who all is playing bc the thread has been so lacklustre.


Before the fall when they wrote it on the wall
When there wasn't even any Hollywood
They heard the call
And they wrote it on the wall
For you and me we understood

Mens rea

[MacDougall]

Nutella hiding behind a posting gimmick and throwing TMI all over the place then giving weak player salad suspicions without sincerity and preempting suspicion = die.

[MacDougall]

I am going to watch shazam now bye.

[nutella]

Wtf is mens rea

[Elohcin]

I am aware that right in the beginning Jay throws out names attached to alignments like candy. But now others are doing it too, namely dunya and nutella. Is this knew? Are they just trying to seem civ since Jay does it when he is civ? IDK.

I liked juliets' post which questioned nutella's reads, I thought that was spot on. Nutella says her posting lyrics is a challenge for herself to get into the theme of the game. How is copying and pasting lyrics from the internet a challenge? I think it is an attempt as a distractions from making reads.

I disagree with Jack and agree with Jay that daisy's reads look authentic. I am calling daisy civ for now.

?=no memorable posts
Dragon D. Luffy - ?
dunya - yellow
Elochin - GREEN
Jackofhearts2005 - yellow
JaggedJimmyJay - green
juliets - greem
Kites - yellow
leetic - ?
Long Con - ?
Lunalee - green
MacDougall - ?
Matahari - red - the post where she/he said all that she's been able to do is make some connections but isn't willing to share them
Neverwhere - ?
nijuukyugou - ?
novaselinenever - yellow
nutella - red - but I always think she is bad and that her posts seem baddie aligned
reywaS - ?
Spacedaisy - green
speedchuck - yellow

I am on page 9. But I have to use my computer for family use atm and cannot read anymore.

[nutella]

Nutella hiding behind a posting gimmick and throwing TMI all over the place then giving weak player salad suspicions without sincerity and preempting suspicion = die.

No TMI and I don't care what you think is salad.

[MacDougall]

Nutella hiding behind a posting gimmick and throwing TMI all over the place then giving weak player salad suspicions without sincerity and preempting suspicion = die.

No TMI and I don't care what you think is salad.

Lady Jay should get her own personality

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Nutella hiding behind a posting gimmick and throwing TMI all over the place then giving weak player salad suspicions without sincerity and preempting suspicion = die.

No TMI and I don't care what you think is salad.

This one troubles me in the realm of TMI:

Jack reels off 12 posts in quick succession. Only one read exists in that set, and it is conditional crud: “DDL and Jay not both bad”

Poop

Surely you know full well that he is reacting to things as he reads and this is absolutely par for the course for jack. Shut your damn overeager mouth.

You go back, Jack, do it again, wheels turning round and round you go back, Jack, do it again

You read me as town, read Jack as ___?___, and for some reason felt the urge to defend him here from my attacks.

[speedchuck]

Novaselinenever

Tell me more.

He has one of the highest post counts and I haven't noticed a thing he's said.

I haven't read 70% of the game but that still seems pretty egregioso

[nutella]

How is copying and pasting lyrics from the internet a challenge? I think it is an attempt as a distractions from making reads.

1. I was trying to think of steely dan lyrics that were at least tangentially or metaphorically related to my posts, which is a challenge inspired by my Beatles curse in goc.
2. It's pretty goddamn annoying to do on a phone.
3. Not intended to detract from my effort, but I noticed it was starting to have that effect because I had a higher effort threshold for posting and I got tired of it hampering my play, so I decided to stop once d1 actually started so I can post freely.

[speedchuck]

speedchuck - yellow

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Novaselinenever

Tell me more.

He has one of the highest post counts and I haven't noticed a thing he's said.

I haven't read 70% of the game but that still seems pretty egregioso

[mention]novaselinenever[/mention]

Have a go

[nutella]

Nutella hiding behind a posting gimmick and throwing TMI all over the place then giving weak player salad suspicions without sincerity and preempting suspicion = die.

No TMI and I don't care what you think is salad.

This one troubles me in the realm of TMI:

Jack reels off 12 posts in quick succession. Only one read exists in that set, and it is conditional crud: “DDL and Jay not both bad”

Poop

Surely you know full well that he is reacting to things as he reads and this is absolutely par for the course for jack. Shut your damn overeager mouth.

You go back, Jack, do it again, wheels turning round and round you go back, Jack, do it again

You read me as town, read Jack as ___?___, and for some reason felt the urge to defend him here from my attacks.

Jack is more town than you. I have my doubts about you but he shines bright green.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Jack is more town than you. I have my doubts about you but he shines bright green.

1) Did you have this perspective at the time you made that post?

2) Why am I only seeing this read right now?

[speedchuck]

bring it nova

Is time for round 2

[nutella]

Jack is more town than you. I have my doubts about you but he shines bright green.

1) Did you have this perspective at the time you made that post?

2) Why am I only seeing this read right now?

1) yes

2) I have expressed my concerns about you at least once (in reference to your refusal to have an open mind about me). Apologies if I have not stated my townread on jack but yo be fair he and I have been mindmelding a fair amount so I may have erroneously thought it would go without saying.

[nutella]

Actually I take back half of #1 I don't think I was worried about you yet at the time that I called you overeager

[juliets]

I am aware that right in the beginning Jay throws out names attached to alignments like candy. But now others are doing it too, namely dunya and nutella. Is this knew? Are they just trying to seem civ since Jay does it when he is civ? IDK.

Elo I know I have seen dunya do it before. I can't say with certainly nutella has done it without looking back but I feel like she has. Mac also does it a lot. It's gotten to be more common recently for people to follow suit.

linki

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Daisy is a civilian.

Two of her three reads are real questionable and two of her three could easily be distancing.

Let's approach it the Jack way.

Do you think Daisy's scum move is to go straight after the J squad?

Why not? I wouldn't say you are one of the most dangerous players to accuse. You aren't particularly prone to have aggressive reactions to it.

[nutella]

I am aware that right in the beginning Jay throws out names attached to alignments like candy. But now others are doing it too, namely dunya and nutella. Is this knew? Are they just trying to seem civ since Jay does it when he is civ? IDK.

Elo I know I have seen dunya do it before. I can't say with certainly nutella has done it without looking back but I feel like she has. Mac also does it a lot. It's gotten to be more common recently for people to follow suit.

linki

"Follow suit" pshhh bold of you to assume that man has anything to do with my in-game behaviors. I've been doing the thing you're talking about since before this site existed let alone meeting Jay.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

1) yes

Every single Jack post up to that moment:

Spoiler: show

Happy Easter, ya’ll.

This band is just fantastic. By the way, which one’s Dan?

juliets good
nova bad

Do me next.

And it’s a nice one right over the plate...

It's actually so shit that I'm asking you if you believe it.

Hint - I don't think you do 'cause you bad.

Pretending you think a non-believed read is itself bad, thus you bad

Speed is bad. No doubt about that in my mind.

Regardless of alignment.

hi guys ! i haven’t played ina while ::

Hi, Kites.

In checking!

Fun having!

Skimmed 2 pages in which JJJ analyzes stuff like "hey guys" and "hi and goodnight" and assigning each entry a different alignment sticker. I'm laughing.

Implied discredit, and implied ignorance that entry posts can be read for tone even if generally featuring similar appearances, bad

I think I know all about reading tone. I literally do not see different tones in these:

Hi. And goodnight.

Hey guys

You called Matrahari good and speedchuck bad. I can even lump leetic in here, but he was wordy and gave excuses so I won't for the sake of consistency. What do you have to base Matahari's intro off of to call it a good look? Iirc you said she seems like she doesn't care? How does she not care? How does speedchuck look like he >does< care? I do not agree that you can read into tone in these two posts beyond "speed is always bad so let's start him off as bad" and I want to give Matahari civ credit because I want to. I wasn't convinced, even for Day 0 Jay-level-shit flinging and I'm gonna say what I see.

If Jay doesn’t come back to this with a Dunya scumread or something about the reads being for a reaction, I will eat my hat.

Why not? Gotta consider all the possible explanations for things.

Did it help you to derive a stance on my alignment?

Not really.

That’s because you exonerated me before I had to answer to the accusation. That’s never going to get anywhere.

Implying I wanted to make an accusation out of it.

The bolded part sounds a bit like an accusation. The italicized sounds like a soft defence to the accusation.

What do you think this setup looks like?

Haven't the slightest clue. At 19, 15 vs 4 would be the closest to a raw balance. Independents change that though, as do the roles which could be anything. Who knows

I've seen you do more detailed analysis with similar levels of scarce info.

Though we did give you shit last time you did it so I get if you don't wanna do it again.

In a vacuum, there is a lot of junk unless you empty it regularly.

Also in a vacuum, I see the second post as not w/w indicative. Scum Jay doesn’t need an excuse to not do things so his teammate doesn’t need to give him that excuse.

nova’s entry post was empty, timid shite

Do you believe that?

Wrong answer, “does Jay really suspect me gooooooooooo”

I don't understand this post. What does "goooooooooooo" mean?

It’s like when you score a point in soccerball.

Yay I love tearing apart silly "fishing for reaction" day 0 arguments.

I caught you the last time we played together with D0/D1 reaction fishing.

In checking!

Fun having!

Skimmed 2 pages in which JJJ analyzes stuff like "hey guys" and "hi and goodnight" and assigning each entry a different alignment sticker. I'm laughing.

Implied discredit, and implied ignorance that entry posts can be read for tone even if generally featuring similar appearances, bad

I think I know all about reading tone. I literally do not see different tones in these:

Hi. And goodnight.

Hey guys

You called Matrahari good and speedchuck bad. I can even lump leetic in here, but he was wordy and gave excuses so I won't for the sake of consistency. What do you have to base Matahari's intro off of to call it a good look? Iirc you said she seems like she doesn't care? How does she not care? How does speedchuck look like he >does< care? I do not agree that you can read into tone in these two posts beyond "speed is always bad so let's start him off as bad" and I want to give Matahari civ credit because I want to. I wasn't convinced, even for Day 0 Jay-level-shit flinging and I'm gonna say what I see.

It’s in the punctuation and the goodnight. Matahari made it clear in three words that 1) she is here, and 2) she isn’t going to say anything. And I don’t think she looks concerned with the repercussions.

speed’s was generic.

Guess I need to preheat the oven.

Dragon D. Luffy I hate to belabor the point but I'm lost as to why you find Jay and nova's back and forth as confusing. To me it was basically "ur bad" "no ur bad" "see, ur bad" "see, ur bad" etc. What did I miss that was confusing?

hmmm.

What does "hmmm" mean here?

I don't really think Jay thinks nova is bad.

I don't think nova is bad.

Never mind.

dunya griping about my reads being fake is the worst thing in this thread. She knows me better than that.

Yeah never mind.

Yay I love tearing apart silly "fishing for reaction" day 0 arguments.

Yet here you are with zero reads. What have you accomplished?

What is this, a job interview?

I don't have to accomplish shit.

This feels fake and reinforces DDL/Jay not w/w.

Also Jay, telling lies in the internet is not nice.

buster.gif

Hahahaha - will nova and Mac be on the same side? Will they both win or lose? OR will one of them move ahead in the only game that counts?

Does Juliets know the answers to some of these questions?

OOOOooof sPiCy


Any major dude will tell you

Does anyone think that nutella found this to be spicy?

I mean if Juliets knows one of them will win, she knows Mac and Nova aren’t the same alignment. That would make her mafia and since the accusation comes from Nova, Mac mafia as well.

Saying Mac and Juliets have w/w equity right out of the gate is pretty spicy imo.

Jack reels off 12 posts in quick succession. Only one read exists in that set, and it is conditional crud: “DDL and Jay not both bad”

Poop

You’re poop.

If you're telling me you found this stuff to be "shining bright green", then I just plain don't believe you. There's almost nothing there. That doesn't mean you have to read him as suspicious, but a brilliant town read to such an extent that you need to defend him while a different town read is giving him shit?

No.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Just because I think I need to post something, I’ll put this out here.
I’m at a point where I’m making connections between people, no further than that. I have connected at least five people, but I’m not naming them yet. Because, I feel like studying them more, and because I don’t feel strongly that any of them are bad. One more because- there are still two people who haven’t checked in yet.

If I need to say anything more productive, prod me and I’ll try. Otherwise, I’m going back to observation mode.

I like the sound of that. Keep doing it.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Why not? I wouldn't say you are one of the most dangerous players to accuse. You aren't particularly prone to have aggressive reactions to it.

It's not "aggression" I refer to as much as "persistence". All three of Jack, juliets, and I are players who are likely to engage in a prolonged interaction which forces a mafioso accuser to continuously make posts.

I don't think it's a terribly important point though. I was more trying to speak Jack's language.

[nutella]

Man what ever. Maybe he wasn't quite "shining bright" yet but I absolutely got the idea he was reacting genuinely to things in the thread from a town mindset, and at least one of the posts you quoted had some mind meld resonance with me re: spicy. I had every right to town read him and I don't care if you don't have the same interpretation of his tone because my opinions are my opinions.

[juliets]

I am aware that right in the beginning Jay throws out names attached to alignments like candy. But now others are doing it too, namely dunya and nutella. Is this knew? Are they just trying to seem civ since Jay does it when he is civ? IDK.

Elo I know I have seen dunya do it before. I can't say with certainly nutella has done it without looking back but I feel like she has. Mac also does it a lot. It's gotten to be more common recently for people to follow suit.

linki

"Follow suit" pshhh bold of you to assume that man has anything to do with my in-game behaviors. I've been doing the thing you're talking about since before this site existed let alone meeting Jay.

I meant no offense and didn't really mean everyone was following Jay - just that throwing names out at the beginning is now popular.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am aware that right in the beginning Jay throws out names attached to alignments like candy. But now others are doing it too, namely dunya and nutella. Is this knew? Are they just trying to seem civ since Jay does it when he is civ? IDK.

Elo I know I have seen dunya do it before. I can't say with certainly nutella has done it without looking back but I feel like she has. Mac also does it a lot. It's gotten to be more common recently for people to follow suit.

linki

"Follow suit" pshhh bold of you to assume that man has anything to do with my in-game behaviors. I've been doing the thing you're talking about since before this site existed let alone meeting Jay.

Hey gang I'm right here.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: Lunalee] aubergine

DDL town
Juliets town
Nova town

dunya town

because you know I always have to town read you on day 0. It's just a thing now.

The only read isn't actually a read.

so what's up with nutella's weird posts? I keep trying to find a code of some sort in them.

The only post about any thread content is a token question about a gimmick. This is default stuff.

[Dragon D. Luffy]

Why not? I wouldn't say you are one of the most dangerous players to accuse. You aren't particularly prone to have aggressive reactions to it.

It's not "aggression" I refer to as much as "persistence". All three of Jack, juliets, and I are players who are likely to engage in a prolonged interaction which forces a mafioso accuser to continuously make posts.

I don't think it's a terribly important point though. I was more trying to speak Jack's language.

Hmm that depends. If I argue with you I expect an intellectually tiring argument, but I also expect you to change focus fast. Somebody will pass in front of you being suspicious and you'll let me slip away.

Now if I accuse, say, nova, I'm flirting with danger. Because if he notices my argument is fabricated he's gonna tunnel me until hell freezes over.

[Spacedaisy]

Current gut read after having caught up

Jack - bad
Jay - bad
Dunya - Town
Luna - Town
Mata - Town
Nova - Town
Juliets - slight bad lean
Speed - Town
Nutella - rude

Everyone else is null.

I'd like to hear more about your Jay and Jack suspicions.

Keep reading, it’s all there.

[Long Con]

Hey dudes. I hear we got a game goin' here! Sorry I'm late to the party.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Hey dudes. I hear we got a game goin' here! Sorry I'm late to the party.

welcome aboard laddie

[Long Con]

Anyone do anything suspicious yet?

[speedchuck]

Anyone do anything suspicious yet?

Long Con overcompensated and made even his username green instead of red

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Not sure why Jack's and LC's colors changed.

[novaselinenever]

I call bullshit Nutella.

Now this is spicier.

@novaselinenever

Elaborate.

no

[novaselinenever]

I call bullshit Nutella.

Which post of Nutella’s did you call bullshit ?

Her description of what had happened in D0. "No actual discussion", "no interaction", "so lackluster" to justify her lack of thoughts at the time.

[Matahari]

[mention]Elohcin[/mention] you find it odd that more people are throwing out suspicions like candy, but you are suspicious of me because I’m not?
I gave a few reasons why I’m not naming people that I think might be working together, in a later post, but I didn’t state the main reason. If I named off a couple people, (on the off-chance I was right) and they are mafia, then fine. But if they are a town team, that’s not so good. I would like to observe a little longer before I start pointing fingers.

[novaselinenever]

I'm sorry for what I did Juliets lol.

[novaselinenever]

Cause Nova said it. Why would Nova’s hot take be that the two of you are scum together?

that's why i think your thought process is a bit shaky.

So you think maybe Nova was confessing? What are you talking about?

Lmao yeah I'm with jack on this one. As I said earlier the implication was juliets/Mac w/w because nova called it out. I guess nova could do that for the wine but that would just be too silly.

When Black Friday comes
I'm gonna dig myself a hole
Gonna lay down in it til
I satisfy my soul

Why isn't it Juliets Mafia, Mac and Nova civ/civ? She'd have the answer to the question in this case.

[novaselinenever]

Novaselinenever

Tell me more.

He has one of the highest post counts and I haven't noticed a thing he's said.

I haven't read 70% of the game but that still seems pretty egregioso

@novaselinenever

Have a go

[novaselinenever]

bring it nova

Is time for round 2

Didn't end so well for you last time

[novaselinenever]

Hello! I'm Nova and I've read the whole thread. AMA.

[nutella]

Cause Nova said it. Why would Nova’s hot take be that the two of you are scum together?

that's why i think your thought process is a bit shaky.

So you think maybe Nova was confessing? What are you talking about?

Lmao yeah I'm with jack on this one. As I said earlier the implication was juliets/Mac w/w because nova called it out. I guess nova could do that for the wine but that would just be too silly.

When Black Friday comes
I'm gonna dig myself a hole
Gonna lay down in it til
I satisfy my soul

Why isn't it Juliets Mafia, Mac and Nova civ/civ? She'd have the answer to the question in this case.

Bc I got a weird feeling from her post that made me think she knew you and mac were in fact on different teams.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Hello! I'm Nova and I've read the whole thread. AMA.

who's bad

[JaggedJimmyJay]

weird feeling