The Syndicate

[mention]timmer[/mention] Need to know if you used a Digicrawl last night

I want Timmer's take on this.

Gonna figure out a bit more about what happened before possibly foolishly outing the town vig lol

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:59 pmArea=sees

It's a creature thing

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:57 pm >Mafia kills timmer
>I target timmer with a Patronus
>timmer uses Diricrawl on Long Con
>Both myself and mafia target Long Con (Patronus doesn't protect against avada kedavra)
>Long Con dies

Okay.

Then what happened to Epi?

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:46 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:45 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:44 pm this only raises more questions
Ask them.

Considering that a vig quite probably murderified LC, I don't want to out everything without thinking about it.
what's screwy about my night action?

You somehow visited LC.

You weren't the only one.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:44 pm this only raises more questions

Ask them.

Considering that a vig quite probably murderified LC, I don't want to out everything without thinking about it.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:41 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:39 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:37 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:36 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:35 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:34 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:32 pm harry potter and the night of the wasted night actions
WHO DID YOU TARGET
timmer and sloonei you squib now stop hounding me
YOU LIE
no bitch
IDK something's screwy but I will stop hounding you.
what'd you do last night bud

Watched Long Con.

Pretty sure Quin is town.

I'm waiting until EOD to vote for INH tho.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:37 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:36 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:35 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:34 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:32 pm harry potter and the night of the wasted night actions
WHO DID YOU TARGET
timmer and sloonei you squib now stop hounding me
YOU LIE
no bitch

IDK something's screwy but I will stop hounding you.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:35 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:34 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:32 pm harry potter and the night of the wasted night actions
WHO DID YOU TARGET
timmer and sloonei you squib now stop hounding me

YOU LIE

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:32 pm harry potter and the night of the wasted night actions

WHO DID YOU TARGET

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:29 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:28 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:26 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:25 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:21 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:19 pm Why do you think he didn't?
Night actions. Timmer didn't visit Long Con last night.
This is correct. I assumed that any attempt at using my vig would be tampered with, so I used a different item to avoid having an obvious killshot redirected.
god damn it timmer you wasted my patronus
Tell me what you did and I'll tell you what I did
well i know what you did and you know what i did so i reckon nah

Patronus affects like 3 people

Who did you target? And I'll give you my details.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:26 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:25 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:21 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:19 pm Why do you think he didn't?
Night actions. Timmer didn't visit Long Con last night.
This is correct. I assumed that any attempt at using my vig would be tampered with, so I used a different item to avoid having an obvious killshot redirected.
god damn it timmer you wasted my patronus

Tell me what you did and I'll tell you what I did

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:22 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:21 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:19 pm Why do you think he didn't?
Night actions. Timmer didn't visit Long Con last night.
Who did he target?

I have no idea.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 6:19 pm Why do you think he didn't?

Night actions. Timmer didn't visit Long Con last night.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:46 pm Hey so why did the Mafia not kill Timmer?

Real question is: Why did Timmer not kill Long Con?

Bye bye I'm gonna go vote

Kill a mafia for me vig person

linki: okay thanks

Nutella is in the tunnel right now. Mac is just Mac, for better or worse.

If anyone wants to level a case against me, I will engage them. Quite frankly, I'm just happy to be in the game again. I have copious amounts of sarcasm for everyone, and I do not care what comes of it.

*ahem*

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:17 pm So anyway speed buddied me for a lot of D3. Spent the first half of the day trying to figure out your alignment, which is documented in the thread. Determined that you were likely town.

Toyed with joining me in suspecting Jay, then backed off just as he'd previously backed off of suspecting me. Funny how you criticize me for taking your suspicion, showing interest, following up on it, and coming to a conclusion.

And his dancing around at EOD/the way he decided to move to LC right at the end was suspect. Amazing. I don't actually know what was suspect about this. And you did the same dance I did, only without moving off of glorf after JJJ 'cleared' him.

And he's inconsistent on Colin, having gone after him during lynchandrezmegate but now saying that was null. Criticizing someone for being stupid illogical is not the same thing as calling them scum.

Also he took a while to really start participating after the replacement, which I can't help but think could be due to orienting himself to a new team/alignment. Luna and I were out of town that whole first day, which I again documented. I went south to visit family and preach.

Also Bullzeye was clearly bad and I have no reason to think otherwise now that we know he didn't kill Nova. You were the only one who ever thought that.

So basically case closed speed is bad and also so is colin. Yeah okay you've accused me with quantity and not quality.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:07 pm Scumchuck how can you rationalise you being town given Bullzeye is, quite clearly, Mafia?

Would you have us believe, Scumchuck, that in swapping you in our esteemed host also flipped your alignment?

Scumchuck, sir, would this be a first in the history of Mafia?

Scumchuck I put it to you that Bullzeye was scum. You upon taking his slot have assumed his scum role and ergo you are also scum.

Can't argue with that.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:08 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:07 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:04 pm Also sorry for calling you a twerp nutella. That was mean and uncalled for.

Linki: Oh just that I am locktown.

Are you jlaw giffing the apology or the obvious fact?

Obvious fact.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:04 pm Also sorry for calling you a twerp nutella. That was mean and uncalled for.

Linki: Oh just that I am locktown.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:01 pm
Spoiler: show

Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:05 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:03 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 8:02 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:58 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:56 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sun Nov 04, 2018 7:55 pm

Yes it is you arrogant twerp
Why is it arrogant of her?
Because I am mad and say angry things
No, I mean... nutella is arrogant to dictate what is or isn't town Mac. Is nutella a Civ then?
I don't have the liberty of knowing her alignment Long Con.
Just that arrogance of that type doesn't translate to a baddie. A baddie knows who's Civ, so it's not arrogance to label people, it's TMI.

I think you just accidentally revealed nutella is Civ.

Let's not forget this exchange for when LC flips Mafia.

And what should we draw from the exchange?

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:54 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:52 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:45 pm Who is bullzeye? Bullzeye's slot is a scum slot.
That's me.

TBF I have you as town in tone and action and everything except your weirdness with the vigs and fake flips and stuff. My rainbow list was more of a POE list.

And Jack is almost down there with you. He keeps jumping back and forth.
Oh. Okay you're scum.

You're welcome.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:39 pm Search my posts for his name. I have a few gripes with him from day 3 and today.

"Lynch me then rez me!" - WIFOM weirdness. It doesn't make sense for town or mafia. I don't know what to do with it.

No INH interactions - fair point. Had forgotten.

Buddied by Long Con until the going got tough - Not sure how this reflects on him exactly. Scum can help out teammates and/or buddy townies. Also depends on LC being scum for it to mean anything at all.

Colin draws a link between Long Con and Luna without completing it - The syndicate apparently has a 'thing' against people building scumteams or making associations before the lynch goes through. It's called world-building where I come from. And Colin's

in that follow-up post seemed more like a "you said it, not me" kind of thing.

-

He probably should be in my light greens and not my dark greens though.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:45 pm Who is bullzeye? Bullzeye's slot is a scum slot.

That's me.

TBF I have you as town in tone and action and everything except your weirdness with the vigs and fake flips and stuff. My rainbow list was more of a POE list.

And Jack is almost down there with you. He keeps jumping back and forth.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:23 pm Speed can you explain why you have Colin in green?

It might be outdated.

Early in the game, he cared a lot about the roof. High effort. Since then I haven't seen anything to change my mind. Everything else I've seen is just obvious statements and "world-building" which the syndicate seems to frown on for some reason.

Why wouldn't he be in there?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 4:20 pm When is EON? Soon?

Sometime in the next hour and a half, if we're looking at 23 or 24 hour nights.

Speedchuck 2.0

Timmer
karavalenge
Lunalee
poutanko
Sloonei
ColinIsCool
Juliets
nutella

Quin
JaggedJimmyJay
DharmaHelper
Jackofhearts2005

Long Con
Epignosis
MacDougall
sprityo

LC and Owner possible alignment?

These are my POE notes I'm keeping. Reference in case I get killed. Order doesn't matter that much.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 3:24 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:54 pm I am proceeding forward with the presumption that JJJ is civ for now. I was the person that called out his teammates in Mountain Mafia, so I know how he busses. In that game, the cases he made didn't stick and were invalidated by responses. He called out the smaller things in order to obscure the bigger picture.

I don't think Jay is doing that this game. The results speak for themselves. Suspicion on INH did not wane. JJJ, one way or another, was the main reason that INH was lynched. I would not think them likely teammates, because even while tunneling and investigating JJJ's posts through the game, I didn't find that likely. I went into that ISO with bias and only came away thinking "It's technically possible."

I'm down to argue if people want to, but I suspect I'm the only one who cared. :P And besides, Jay said something would invalidate my hard work.
INH wasn't lynched tho

Okay, yeah. Wasn't thinking when I typed that. I meant to say it's why he was vigged, but again technically that could have been a reactive revenge kill thing.

If he was vigged by a swayed townie, point stands.

I am proceeding forward with the presumption that JJJ is civ for now. I was the person that called out his teammates in Mountain Mafia, so I know how he busses. In that game, the cases he made didn't stick and were invalidated by responses. He called out the smaller things in order to obscure the bigger picture.

I don't think Jay is doing that this game. The results speak for themselves. Suspicion on INH did not wane. JJJ, one way or another, was the main reason that INH was lynched. I would not think them likely teammates, because even while tunneling and investigating JJJ's posts through the game, I didn't find that likely. I went into that ISO with bias and only came away thinking "It's technically possible."

I'm down to argue if people want to, but I suspect I'm the only one who cared. :P And besides, Jay said something would invalidate my hard work.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:21 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:19 pm I haven't seen ANY writeup from you on Jay. You suspected him and haven't addressed the information. You said "Jay is INH's most likely teammate. Fight me."

I am addressing that.

In light of the information I put conveniently in the thread, WHAT IS YOUR READ ON JAY?
I suspect him. I think at this current juncture I suspect him less than I suspect you and Colin. I can see a world in which he is good and a world in which he is bad, which is basically the same thing you said except you included me as a factor.

That's so neat.

I haven't seen ANY writeup from you on Jay. You suspected him and haven't addressed the information. You said "Jay is INH's most likely teammate. Fight me."

I am addressing that.

In light of the information I put conveniently in the thread, WHAT IS YOUR READ ON JAY?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:06 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:05 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:02 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:52 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:48 pm relatedly I have had some developing thoughts about speed2.0 that I'll try to get around to summarizing before the night ends, nothing elaborate but some trends have been bugging me
I will allow this if you address my JJJ writeup.
What in there is directed at me? I saw there were some comments about me but I don't know what you want me to address.
You've been blowing smoke at JJJ for two days. I did some legwork in summarizing his actions in light of recent events.

I want your opinion.
My opinion is you sure did some summarizing.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:07 pm Short version: Speed is buddying me and taking advantage of my suspicion of Jay.

You are so full of it.

And you are avoiding the ever-living heck out of the question.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 2:02 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:52 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:48 pm relatedly I have had some developing thoughts about speed2.0 that I'll try to get around to summarizing before the night ends, nothing elaborate but some trends have been bugging me
I will allow this if you address my JJJ writeup.
What in there is directed at me? I saw there were some comments about me but I don't know what you want me to address.

You've been blowing smoke at JJJ for two days. I did some legwork in summarizing his actions in light of recent events.

I want your opinion.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:48 pm relatedly I have had some developing thoughts about speed2.0 that I'll try to get around to summarizing before the night ends, nothing elaborate but some trends have been bugging me

I will allow this if you address my JJJ writeup.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:46 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:43 pm Yeah if LC has a hallow I'd like to hear about it.

Wow, that sounded better before I said it. Still probably true.
..... would've sounded better without the disclaimer dude

It's something that needs to be addressed. The negative side of LC claiming a hallow.

Yeah if LC has a hallow I'd like to hear about it.

Wow, that sounded better before I said it. Still probably true.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 1:20 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:59 am speedchuck, answering you this was to avoid a megaquote on my phone

I’d say that on a 1-10 scale representing my relative confidence in a mafioso read on a Day 2 following a Day 1 mislynch, INH was a 7 and Soneji was a 6. Or something. I’d call Long Con presently a 7, though the scale is different on Night 3 with an active dead mafioso trailing. Nobody else presently would be comparable though.

Numbers.
I don't understand this sentence can you clarify

Having a 10 on someone day 2 is different than having a 10 on someone day 3 after a scum died the previous night. More information. Day 3 10 > day 2 10.

That's how I understood it anyway. Different scales because we have more info.

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:32 pm Just a few thoughts - this probably is player salad but putting the thoughts in separate posts seems silly.

Jay described very well how I feel about nutella (not the part where I think we are of the same mind though, that is specific to Jay). I go up and down and around and around on her. I'll read her today and see if I can come to a more definitive decision.

I've been much the same with luna though in Luna's case I see her most recent stuff as more civ than bad. I didn't feel like her comment on LC was distancing or bussing, it sounded genuine to me. I'll confirm how I feel about her with a read today too.

JJJ - if I'm remembering correctly he was bad in Ass Class along with Mac. That was a heavy duty baddie team. I will probably take a look there to refresh on what they look like when bad. Others may want to do the same. He and Mac fooled us totally and completely. (Jay, it's not that I'm reading you bad at the moment but that game was humiliating and I just want to be sure I don't see parallels.)

I looked at Quin's scum game (the one for which he won the Best Baddie Socky) and his behavior looks nothing like this game. His short punchy style here to me says town but was there someone else out there who said they saw this style out of him as a baddie in some recent game?

It's not salad if you substantiate it, treat each as a read instead of a potential target, and have townreads and stuff. This isn't even close to salad.

Also other things.

His INH interactions look pretty good, but some other stuff looks bad.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:19 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:16 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:16 pm What’s the short version of the case on Long Con?
He bad.
How did we all reach this conclusion?

He survived a lynch. There are no town powers that allow that.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:12 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:07 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:03 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:53 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:38 am "Actually guys theres a 3/5 chance Long Con is good so lets like not lynch him please we already lost two of our teammates lol please omg stahp"
I've already been mislynched once for defending a scum Long Con even after he scumslipped. I'm guessing you want to make it two?

If you'd like to actually engage me instead of pooping on my posts without any substance to what you're saying then I'd be happy to debate it with you.
The idea that Long Con survived due to having a Hallow assumes too much and takes too many liberties. The idea that he survived because he's bad and had a Horcrux assumes much less and takes almost no liberties.
Okay, I agree with that. Assuming that a Horcrux exists is much less taxing than assuming what a hallow does, that the hallow is one-shot and game-breaky, and that LC somehow got it. In just a numbers game, there are probably equal or more scum remaining than hallows.

So why did you conflate my contradiction of your hallows statement into a blanket statement that LC is 3/5 odds town. That isn't remotely close to what I said, and that's not how reads or odds work.
I read it as you giving 3/5 chances that if Long Con came upon a Hallow by way of killing then he did so because he's a good killer not a bad killer.

Didn't like it.

Well then... you read it correctly. If Long Con happened to kill to get a Hallow, 3 out of five of the kills the game were presumably not scumkills. What's wrong with that?

I missed a question mark Macdougall.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 12:03 pm
speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:53 am
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:38 am "Actually guys theres a 3/5 chance Long Con is good so lets like not lynch him please we already lost two of our teammates lol please omg stahp"
I've already been mislynched once for defending a scum Long Con even after he scumslipped. I'm guessing you want to make it two?

If you'd like to actually engage me instead of pooping on my posts without any substance to what you're saying then I'd be happy to debate it with you.
The idea that Long Con survived due to having a Hallow assumes too much and takes too many liberties. The idea that he survived because he's bad and had a Horcrux assumes much less and takes almost no liberties.

Okay, I agree with that. Assuming that a Horcrux exists is much less taxing than assuming what a hallow does, that the hallow is one-shot and game-breaky, and that LC somehow got it. In just a numbers game, there are probably equal or more scum remaining than hallows.

So why did you conflate my contradiction of your hallows statement into a blanket statement that LC is 3/5 odds town. That isn't remotely close to what I said, and that's not how reads or odds work.

No further questions, yer honor

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:38 am "Actually guys theres a 3/5 chance Long Con is good so lets like not lynch him please we already lost two of our teammates lol please omg stahp"

I've already been mislynched once for defending a scum Long Con even after he scumslipped. I'm guessing you want to make it two?

If you'd like to actually engage me instead of pooping on my posts without any substance to what you're saying then I'd be happy to debate it with you.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:37 am
Spoiler: show

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:21 amI want to know how your read progressed on Nutella throughout the game. Mostly in the past 48 hours.
Early I was giving her token civilian credit for many of the reasons both you and she cited in her defense later: she was posting at a high clip, seemed loose, and was on meta.

When INH died and I reviewed his interactions with nutella, she looked as bad as anyone in the game. I was then stuck with a conflict between her appearance at face value and her dealings with the bad guy, and that brought me to question the validity of my original read (should I be giving credit for adhering to a meta like this one, or is it easily replicated? Does she really believe I am the best suspect emerging from INH’s death; does that make sense? Have I underestimated her? Etc.). I turned on her because it felt right in the moment.

The conflict remained though, because at nutella’s posting rate and given the attitude she conveyed, room for a civilian in her slot wasn’t difficult to find. Then Glorf’s stuff happened; I thought he was obvious about an hour before he claimed; and she refused to budge on his wagon. To me that looked like absolute hogshit. And so my suspicion peaked.

Most recently I’ve cooled again, as I have noticed a trend in which her behavior bears the same sort of character as my own in our dealings with each other. She is flippant, arrogant at isolated moments of inspiration, and eager to spar. At times it has felt like arguing with myself, and indeed I have enjoyed annoying her.

It may evidence that we’re approaching our dynamic from similar brains and that would bode well for her.

speedchuck wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:21 amI want to know when your suspicion for INH reached its zenith.

Those are the two biggest questions that came out of my readthrough. linki: Thanks, I appreciate it.
I was confident in him as a mafioso when he committed the cardinal salad. I was happy to lynch either him or Soneji and would have gladly gone that way at EOD if more than just one person had bitten on the case. I also didn’t care to see Luna or Owner lynched, so remaining on the counterwagon was sensible.

I appreciate the response. It raises one more question, if you would indulge me.

If you were confident in INH's scumminess, how confident were you in Soneji's? Can you compare the two? Can you compare them to your current feelings toward Long Con?

For real, though [mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]

I want to know how your read progressed on Nutella throughout the game. Mostly in the past 48 hours.

I want to know when your suspicion for INH reached its zenith.

Those are the two biggest questions that came out of my readthrough. linki: Thanks, I appreciate it.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Nov 06, 2018 11:18 am I feel bad that you’ve gone to such effort there chuckaroo, though I appreciate it anyway. It really wasn’t necessary for reasons you can’t be expected to understand, but you will in due time.

You're going to kill me, aren't you.

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