The Syndicate

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 3:20 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:12 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:12 am

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:37 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Apr 24, 2019 10:58 pm Ugh. Here's the thing. Jack is bad.

So, knowing Jack is bad, I just think back to these posts:

Hopefully after tonight I'll glean more from a nice reread.

Please clarify this for me. How do we know Jack is bad? Did I miss something? Or are you just saying what you feel certain about?

The water turned to cherry wine. Two nights. That means Jack is bad.

Dafuck is this?

I'm not bad and I can prove it.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 1:50 pm I can freaking prove my ability as soon as the day starts.

Jack, the day started.

And he proved it. I have confirmed.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 2:08 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:59 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:40 pm what even is jack doing?

"i gave speedchuck a vest in return for his power"
"no, wait, i gave nutella a vest in return for her power"
"oh wait, it's a doc protection"

(telling us his teammate's powers and getting them slightly wrong)

(I kid)

(maybe)

I actually don't know what to believe for sure. Epi warned us that claiming wouldn't be all that helpful.

that would be abso-fucking-lutely hilarious. only topped by YOU being that teammate.

Psh. I wouldn't self-target a role trade doctor, nor would I not use the role to make a point.

I'd also bus the ever-living bedonkus out of Jack, to return the favor.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:40 pm what even is jack doing?

"i gave speedchuck a vest in return for his power"
"no, wait, i gave nutella a vest in return for her power"
"oh wait, it's a doc protection"

(telling us his teammate's powers and getting them slightly wrong)

(I kid)

(maybe)

I actually don't know what to believe for sure. Epi warned us that claiming wouldn't be all that helpful.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:38 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:37 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:36 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:34 pm
The weird thing to me is that it is doctor protection, not a vest. Took me by surprise after the intital claim.

why is it weird?

Jack claimed it as a vest initially.

and the host told you it's a doctor protection?

The offer for for the protection of a doctor. And Jack's revised claim falls in line with this.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:38 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:36 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:26 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:25 pm I will self vote if I can get some promises to hang LC when I flip town.

ugh pls don't be that guy

Why does everyone on this site have such a hate-boner for self-voting?

Sometimes it is a perfectly reasonable thing to do.

because it sucks when people throw a fit at the thread cos they're being voted and self vote cos they're angry....for being voted...in a game of mafia....where every day phase people vote each other out.

so i don't differentiate between which situation sucks or not. self voting SUCKS. period.

But what if they do it out of a desire to be lynched and set things in motion because it would be better for the game?

Like in that game where you guys might have lynched scum if I wasn't there to drive the endgame?

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:36 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:34 pm
The weird thing to me is that it is doctor protection, not a vest. Took me by surprise after the intital claim.

why is it weird?

Jack claimed it as a vest initially.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:26 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:25 pm I will self vote if I can get some promises to hang LC when I flip town.

ugh pls don't be that guy

Why does everyone on this site have such a hate-boner for self-voting?

Sometimes it is a perfectly reasonable thing to do.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:34 pm No, I’m saying I’m going to flip green and nobody is going to think LC is bad anyway cause it’s “so risky.”

Linki: There’s no framer.

Heck no. You flip green, LC dies.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:17 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:09 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:29 pm LC: I skipped the day phase.
DDL: Neat!
Jack: I can doctor people.
Speed: Seems suspicious.

LC: I have an alignment checker / phase skipper, and succeeding on one gives me a drawback on the other.
DDL: Neat!
Jack: I can offer not to kill to protect someone at night and then take and use their power, essentially being a rolecop AND a power stealer with the added doctor bit, which is conveniently broken by a mafia strongman on night 1 I guess because nutella HAD to have a vest protect.
Speed: IDK. Roles in this game are confusing. Cop check is more reliable.

Occam's razor says to trust the cop check and see what happens.

But nobody ever said this but you.

The role does not say this.

The weird thing to me is that it is doctor protection, not a vest. Took me by surprise after the intital claim.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:08 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 1:05 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:14 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:02 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:51 am never mind. wouldn't explain the 2 nights in a row thing.

It would if literally any of his teammates could skip a day phase.

At that point we're looking at a huuuge gambit to lynch Jack though

It’s only a huge gambit if people are willing to lynch LC when I flip town.

If LC is a framer and one of his teammates is a dayskipper, it's a stupid gambit. If we happen to lynch the teammate at some point, it would immediately doom LC.
Never base a gambit on two scum powers going undiscovered.

This, of course, is assuming you flip scum.

Why does there need to be a framer?

I'm replying to a Dunya post about framers, back at the start of this chain. Go there.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:29 pm LC: I skipped the day phase.
DDL: Neat!
Jack: I can doctor people.
Speed: Seems suspicious.

LC: I have an alignment checker / phase skipper, and succeeding on one gives me a drawback on the other.
DDL: Neat!
Jack: I can offer not to kill to protect someone at night and then take and use their power, essentially being a rolecop AND a power stealer with the added doctor bit, which is conveniently broken by a mafia strongman on night 1 I guess because nutella HAD to have a vest protect.
Speed: IDK. Roles in this game are confusing. Cop check is more reliable.

Occam's razor says to trust the cop check and see what happens.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:14 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:02 pm

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:51 am never mind. wouldn't explain the 2 nights in a row thing.

It would if literally any of his teammates could skip a day phase.

At that point we're looking at a huuuge gambit to lynch Jack though

It’s only a huge gambit if people are willing to lynch LC when I flip town.

If LC is a framer and one of his teammates is a dayskipper, it's a stupid gambit. If we happen to lynch the teammate at some point, it would immediately doom LC.
Never base a gambit on two scum powers going undiscovered.

This, of course, is assuming you flip scum.

dunya wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 11:51 am never mind. wouldn't explain the 2 nights in a row thing.

It would if literally any of his teammates could skip a day phase.

At that point we're looking at a huuuge gambit to lynch Jack though

WTH is a discord theory?

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Apr 26, 2019 12:35 am Also, was it Jack who was trying to turn it around on me back there, and he said something about me checking Discord? I've never used Discord in my baddie chats, but one thing I do know is that Juliets is possibly the most frequent Discord user on the site. That was a little slip from Jack.

I'm pretty sure BTSCs are using Chatzy this game.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 11:02 pm I don't really care about his vest thing.

It's not a vest. It's (not copied and pasted) something like 'protection for just this night.'

It could be a town role, but it feels more like a 'gimme your power and I won't kill you tonight' extortion racket.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:28 pm Yes but some of us found a way to shut that off I think and others such as myself just don’t look at or consider that. I also don’t go invisible myself.

Who? How?

World Asunder and Hogwarts are not very good standards to hold mafia games to, though. One is crazy, the other has spells and stuff.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 8:05 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 7:39 pm That PM from jack's role was like "sell me your power and you get protection for one night"

Just one night. Like a freakin' protection racket IMO. (<3 Jack)

Yeah well your power isn’t just townie after World Asunder and Hogwarts.

Fair.

That PM from jack's role was like "sell me your power and you get protection for one night"

Just one night. Like a freakin' protection racket IMO. (<3 Jack)

Guests right now, will give my opinion on Jack's thing a bit later.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:01 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 6:00 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:59 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:50 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:45 pm I'd like to kindly point out that skipping day phases is not a frigging town aligned power.

Neither is restricting people’s ability to post, but here I am.

Are you restricting people's ability to post?

I tried.

N1 - speedchuck (Day 2 never happened)
N2 - nijuukyugou - failed

Well...stop being anti town, then.

@speedchuck

I told Epi I'd be your doctor but you gotta pay.

I accepted!

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:43 pm Heyo I'm still here. Still trade with Speed or what?

I'm down.

So that extra night was just a bunch of time for abilities to get used and info to get got. Nice.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:30 pm I do not see nova and Jack as teammate compatible. If you see it differently though please argue

If I was a lyncher and my goal was to kill Nova, this would displease me.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:06 pm my role can out you all, one by one. kill me while i'm still warm and willing.

Meh. You can do that without the role. That's not that impressive.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:05 pm Actually it's five in a row with World Flags. Damn I've been on fire.

The Vault Hunt boys (and girls) managed it without you, though. And then they won.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:58 pm Don't say anything about that Long Con

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 5:01 pm Are there one-shot roles in this game?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:51 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:50 pm I skimmed that post and read it as Jay being like "So this is Jack's role? Skip a day phase if scum, skip a night phase if civ?"
And LC was like "yep."

So nevermind my last ten posts or so about all roles being alignment neutral.

I think LC's can be neutral too if it's one-shot.

It can be. But it's not proof, like the role I had in mind (I think I was thinking of a mega man role that was conditional on who recruited it?).

I skimmed that post and read it as Jay being like "So this is Jack's role? Skip a day phase if scum, skip a night phase if civ?"
And LC was like "yep."

So nevermind my last ten posts or so about all roles being alignment neutral.

Or wait, is Long Con saying that HE skipped the day by targeting Jack? Because that's all kinds of funky.

linki: Oh okay.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:44 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:44 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:49 pm If he were Civ, then we'd be having two days in a row instead. The end.

Guys this is a rolecop?

...no?

alignment cop.

Are you not seeing this?

Why would a Civ Jack give us two days in a row instead of two nights with a scum Jack?

Fun idea:

If Jack is mafia, he can get someone else on his team to target me with an offer even if LC says he's the dayskipper. He also easily knows that Elohcin has a mafia-or-town role, because he knows that everyone does, because he's the day/nightskipper.

Jack is scum.

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 3:49 pm If he were Civ, then we'd be having two days in a row instead. The end.

Guys this is a rolecop?

For Jack to be sincere, the following must be true:

Mafia (or town for some reason) decided to busdrive Jack with one of their members, thus diverting any ill attacks on them at Jack.
This sent Long Con's role check at the mafia member, when he had aimed it at Jack.
When Jack is confronted with this, he says he targeted speedchuck, which was false, then corrected to nutella.
Mafia strongmanned nutella.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:37 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:36 pm Is it weird to anyone that we have two rolecops?

is LC a "role cop" or flavorful alignment cop?

He told us what Jack's role was.

Is it weird to anyone that we have two rolecops?

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 4:34 pm linki - wait what? I'm not a mafia stump.

We're discussing how roles are possibly assigned separate from alignment.

I don't actually suspect you.

So what you're saying is that Juliets is a mafia stump.

It's a cool idea for a setup, and LC's reveal puts it into perspective. I think every role is built to be used by mafia OR town. Then alignments are assigned separately. It's a perfect closed setup.

If Jack is scum and he delays his death through the end of night 3 for verification purposes, that's a win for him. Him having a role that pings people during the day would help with that even further.

I'm still going to announce what I hear tomorrow (in a few hours I guess), but I'm skeptical.

My role has a clever twist on it. It's really neat.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:42 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:32 pm @JaggedJimmyJay
Nova's bad, too.

Also, Jack what do you see about nova? I have been antsy about him not looking the same as the nova I saw in the last 3 games I played with him where he was civ, but he has a plausible excuse (school).

Nova said Jack should be vigged, therefore bad.

I think that's the thought process anyway.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:19 pm Linki: It's not! I've been mafia with Speed twice and we barely even talked. Idk why.

Because I can't access Chatzy during the day. And I sleep at night.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:19 pm This hour of Mafia gave me gas. I farted.

From now on, I'm associating your green skittle avatar with a fart bubble.

linki: I can verify during the day, someone else will be able to verify after the role resolves.

dunya wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:16 pm

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:15 pm

speedchuck wrote: ↑Thu Apr 25, 2019 2:05 pm If Jack lives through the night, we monitor this crap. Display EVERYTHING openly. And still consider lynching him before the swap happens.

I'm not a bad target, rolewise, because I'm extremely verifiable and not something that would help scum. But I'm not trusted, so if anyone has suggestions for hypothetical D3jack, let them rip!

Nevermind.

Speedchuck it is.

so speedchuck will verify it day 2 and not night 3. correct? it's a "day action"

I can verify if I was targeted during the day. Then after Jack uses the borrowed night role on someone, they will also be able to verify that he used it the next morning.

Assuming my verification gets Jack through the Day 3 lynch, but any nightrole verification assumes that.

I'll note as well that if Jack stole my role, he could verify that without outting anyone but me.

I'm okay with that. Again, assuming Jack lives that long.

I'm also not a bad target to get vestsploded if we go all the way testing this.

If Jack lives through the night, we monitor this crap. Display EVERYTHING openly. And still consider lynching him before the swap happens.

I'm not a bad target, rolewise, because I'm extremely verifiable and not something that would help scum. But I'm not trusted, so if anyone has suggestions for hypothetical D3jack, let them rip!

If Jack gives vests that go splodey that would be an amazing role, not gonna lie.