The Syndicate

Thanks @Zenon for the very fun game.

Well done everyone! Very good game, a nailbiter down to the end, and everyone involved did very well, both mafia and town.

LET IT RAND!

I'd like to remind everyone that HK is actually only at 3 votes, so right now wagons are

Nook - 4 Belzy, Porscha, Spacedaisy, Caitlin
Pyxxy - 3 tutuu, Lime Coke, fingersplints
HK - 3 NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, DrWilgy, Seanzie

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 6:51 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 6:45 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 6:42 pm My wife has released me from the clutches of shopping.

What's going on here?
Honestly, I feel like not much has happened, which is worriesome.

HK, Nook and Pyxxy are wagons. HK's wagon is one smaller than it looks because Lime Coke subbed in for Baker.

I'd still possibly support a Baker/LC wagon (where I was at before moving to HK in a failed attempt at creating a tie)
Upon rereading through Porscha in isolation real quick, I do think that I'd like for my Porscha wagon to be back.

Porschas Nanook vote just seems to be slipped in there, and the only read I find is that Falcon and Pyxxy are towny.

Falcon being obvious town is just a lackluster statement, and then Pyxxy got a point for what seemed like am awfully level 0 read.

Originally, I had thought Porscha having 20 or so posts earlier without substance was somewhat sketchy, but now that it hasn't changed, It is even more so.

There are 8 minutes left and no one has talked about Porscha more than a little today. While I agree that they should get some scrutiny tomorrow, they aren't a reasonable option to consider right now. What do you think of the current wagons?

very unsettling that it is this quiet with 12 minutes left.

Who all is here?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 6:42 pm My wife has released me from the clutches of shopping.

What's going on here?

Honestly, I feel like not much has happened, which is worriesome.

HK, Nook and Pyxxy are wagons. HK's wagon is one smaller than it looks because Lime Coke subbed in for Baker.

I'd still possibly support a Baker/LC wagon (where I was at before moving to HK in a failed attempt at creating a tie)

I'm at HK > Nook >Pyxxy in terms of order of who I'd like chopped to not chopped in regards to the 3 top wagons right now.

Oh, HK is actually only at 3 votes, Baker's vote is obscuring things.

[VOTE: HollowKatt] aubergine

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 5:22 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 5:05 pm
fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 5:01 pm He’s an easy miselim, especially on day 1
And now things have quieted down when he took the lead. Mafia ok with that vote I think
You have sus on my slot, I'm pushing that the current wagons are bad, and trying to start new wagons, but you interpret the current gamestate as "now things have quieted down"?

I don't feel like I've been very quiet. Do you still suspect me?
No reason to town lean you yet.

How does that fit with your "no things have quieted down" narrative?

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 5:18 pm THE MAN

THE MYTH

THE LEGEND

LIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIME

COOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOCKKKK

Lol! Well, this is the best post I've seen in a while.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 5:16 pm Who is Belzy supposed to be? I thought I remember seeing the name on this site before, but forgot who they said it was.

Erika/Internet Cupid/Belzy, all the same person.

Lime Coke wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 5:10 pm [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

I think Falcon has exhibited some of the behaviors that are much more strongly associated with town!Falcon thus far. What are you seeing that causes you to want to vote there?

How much have you read thus far?

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 5:01 pm He’s an easy miselim, especially on day 1
And now things have quieted down when he took the lead. Mafia ok with that vote I think

You have sus on my slot, I'm pushing that the current wagons are bad, and trying to start new wagons, but you interpret the current gamestate as "now things have quieted down"?

I don't feel like I've been very quiet. Do you still suspect me?

[VOTE: Baker] aubergine

I kinda like the whole "let new players survive D1 thing", but I also don't like the current wagons that much and it feels like no one is heading towards a non-Baker wagon I'd like (I mean, there's HK, but meh... I'm shiz at reading HK, so I'd probably only vote them if it was between them and a townread, rather than because of my HK read).

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:59 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:58 pm lemme know when you realize that tutuu has pocketed you
surely not a real thought right pyx when have u seen my pocket anyone when have you seen me even play scum?

People who haven't seen you play scum are allowed to think you're doing scummy things. Not everything is meta-based.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:42 pm
baker wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:33 pm When is EOD btw? I might sneak out for drinks and kebab soon
in 4 hours 18 minutes theres a timer at the top above the poll

it might be off +-1 hour due to summer daylight saving bullshit

You can check if your timezone setting are correct if someone just posted by comparing the timestamp of the just-post to your clock.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:41 pm Current reads
Cait
Seanzie
Roxy
Belzy

Tutuu

baker
Porscha
Falcon
Fingersplints
Wilgy
HK

Kate
Nook

Pyxxy

I need to sort out how I feel about those middle people more.

Can you tell me why Roxy is so high? They've only posted a few times, and I agree that their posts have looked fine, but I'd have a hard time putting them anywhere near the tipy-top group like you did based off their 4 posts.

baker wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 2:11 pm I don't like the way you are treating me @Seanzie

You pull one post to respond and ignore everything else I said. What's your problem with me?

I didn't ignore anything else you've said. Looking at your ISO, your first 40 posts don't really contain any content (you voted Nanook over them scumclaiming, and vote HK because: "It's time to dismount the hollowkatt wagon. Baker is here." whatever that means. Aside from those, you had a joke-read on Caitlin early on and a joke-push on Tutuu early on, and then decided to make the point that Caitlin was posting goofy vs fluffy when Falcon was clearly trying to highlight that most of Caitlin's posts did not have solvy content, NOT that they weren't goofy?

After those 40 posts with essentially no content, you actually do give some reads, but the closest thing to an explanation you provide for any of them is that " I liked Falcon's reactions so far from what I am reading.", and that "Pyxxy and Seanzie are doing things which is better than nothing.". I don't actually know why you townread any of the people on your list, and as I already explained, I think your take on me is lacking.

Plus, you never responded to me here:

Seanzie wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:59 pm
baker wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 5:43 pm @falcon45ca

GOOFY 16 | FLUFFY 4
I don't care about goofy vs fluffy. Which of the posts have content? Which of the posts are pushing the game in the right direction?

Also, I've spoken in length about you in at least 3 posts prior to this, so you should know the answer to "What's your problem with me?" already, and if you'd like to engage with any of the things I've already said, I am happy to. If you think I am ignoring something you said/did, please let me know what and I will take a look.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 1:46 pm You are* one my favourites

You are one of my favorites too!

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 1:43 pm McLaren nabbed P2 & P3, just in case y'all missed it.

I do not know what this is in reference to. Apparently I missed it.

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 1:18 pm
pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 1:50 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:53 pm
Caitlin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 7:08 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 7:03 pm Not sure about hk. I don’t understand why they got votes to begin with and their response to it seems very understated. I feel like I’d try to be chill about it like that if I was in that position and were bad.
What response...? I don't think they have replied? And they are being voted because they tried to force the lynch in me, Baker and Falcon, without much explanation
My point exactly

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:57 pm They have posted but not really reacted to the fact they’ve had votes on them from the jump and now are the lead wagon. I’d at least say something about it if I were in that position. Saying nothing looks fishy to me. A bit like, if I don’t move maybe they won’t notice me.

Has someone built an actual case for HK that just didn’t stick with me and I should revisit? Why did they end up with so many votes?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 11:05 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:54 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 7:03 pm
Caitlin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:28 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:27 pm Hmmmm, Kate eh?
Indeed

I don't rlly like how she's just sitting on the sidelines asking for a summary, without rlly trying to do any solving on her own. She's just... there
It’s funny, I was just thinking this as I am reading in my catch up. I think I’ll move my vote back to [VOTE: Kate] aubergine.

I am slightly leaning town on Cait, Falcon, tutuu, and Wilgy.

Not sure about hk. I don’t understand why they got votes to begin with and their response to it seems very understated. I feel like I’d try to be chill about it like that if I was in that position and were bad.

In the end I am more familiar with Kate and I originally voted her since she had one post and wanted to encourage her to post some more. But it doesn’t feel like there is effort there I expect from her. Don’t worry about catching up Kate it’s mostly just Day 1 antics and Falcon is the only one really building a case. Just jump in and play from here because it’s probably going to come down to your gut anyway.

Honestly, there isn’t much to base anything on so it’s the best I’ve got at the moment.

Anyway, those are my current thoughts. They aren’t really worth much.
mostly I'm used to carrying wagons early in the game so I don't typically pay much attention to them. Nanook is going to vote me and park there it's a thing he's done basically since our champs game last year. Tutuu had an opportunistic vote but the rest of their content has been super townie so I don't really care about that either. Wigly is random and does whatever he wants to do, again it's just kind of a thing that exists.
Finally there's Caitlin who is what I consider the only legit vote I'm carrying as her suspicion is at least explained and understandable.

ultimately it's a 4 vote wagon with one auto, one rando, one opportunistic, and one legit vote. Not a thing I'd actually concern myself with.
Fair enough.
I want more than "Fair enough." after the biggest opinion you've had yet gets deflated live right before your eyes.

[VOTE: Spacedaisy] aubergine

I acknowledge that this is maybe an unfair expectation.
Fair enough = I am unsure how I feel about the response, but it felt reasonable.

If you had to GTH HK right now, what would you say?

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 1:16 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 1:14 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 12:36 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 11:51 am
Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:10 am
fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:55 am Seanzie in an ISO doesn’t read great. Lots of redirection and fluff. It’s day 1 so I can give some leniency here

Tbd scum lean
Now I wonder whether or not people who townread Sean, actually have ISO'd Sean, or only read his posts by reading the thread, cuz I did ISO Sean also and scumread him too.
When have you not scumread me?
The last couple of games, actually. All MU games hosted by Nook I correctly townread you. And all games on this website as well. You were town everytime, and I defended you.
For some reason I thought you were pushing hard for me in one of the Turtles games, but I can't actually find any evidence for that now, so meh. The MU games dont count IMO since I really only played the very first one. So, I retract my question because you actually do seem to townread me most of the time.

I am getting a bit tired of reading you continually saying you scumread me without actually going into any detail though. Can you walk me through what you actually find scummy about me? Again, I feel like I am pro-towning, so while I don't necessarily expect everyone to see it as easily as I can (I do have TMI afterall), I am pretty confident that my light can be found by anyone willing to delve into it. So, tell me about me. What bothers you? What are you seeing? Is there anything townie that I've done, or am I straight-up howlin'?
MU games, Turtle game, and ALL games in between I always townread you!!!!!! Stop staying stuck in Mafia Cafe time where I am retired years ago!! How can you still be tired after many games us townreading each other???

I was mistaken. I don't know why but I thought you were pushing for me in Turtles. You weren't so I retract what I said. Sorry.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 1:06 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 12:57 pm Seanzie 95
Porscha 87
Pyxxy 86
Michelle 85
Lilypetal 83
Trisscar 82
Good Question 80
Cape90 75
Zenon 66
Prince J 61

@Seanzie I top town read you. Eat your words!
And I never scumread you once since that game @Seanzie not even a vote. You were town everytime. I learned reading you compared to 3 years ago on Mafia Cafe. How can you forgot 5 most recent games I townread you everytime?

I believe you. I am not sure why I thought otherwise, so sorry on that point.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 1:06 pm
Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 1:02 pm I wanted to vote Sean all day long, but I waited to see what he had to say once returning here. He is still scum.
@Seanzie this is probably fruitless but can u pls say sorry to belzy and kiss up so we can move on plz ur both extremely clearly town

u know i dont generally like right winged politics / rhetoric but theres one rhetoric that seems applicable in this scenario - "lets focus on logic and ignore emotions" - pls can we do that

i think sean vs belzy and belzy vs sean is purely emotional from both of ur ends and its clouding ur judgements

ur both the GOATs and ur both town cmon we're the power rangers

This might be because I'm from the US where the political landscape is uhh... bad... but I don't associate that maxim with right-winged politics.

I don't actually have a strong read on Belzy, they are litterally the null color, just south of the bigger null group. I'm just getting frustrated that most of their posts call me scum without elaboration and I want to figure out if this is them trying to wolf and get me over, or if it is them town but not actually willing to work towards a better read on me by engaging with me beyond surface-level accusations.

I also know that the few time I go over as town, it is usually because of bad D1 flash wagons, and enough random people have called me scum without elaboration that this is actually exactly the atmosphere that precedes a bad D1 flashwagon on pro-town Sean. No one has a case, no one elaborates, but when panic sets in close to EoD, someone offers me up, and people jump there even though I have not actually been explored throughout the day. As such, wanna nip that in the bud right now.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 12:39 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 7:06 am
fingersplints wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 4:05 am Me and the kids have come down with a stomach bug. I’ll catch up and play as soon as possible
Splints get a pass from me today and I will vote anyone who tries to get her yeeted because I love her.
this aint w/w @Seanzie

I'm not worldbuilding like you're claiming I am, but I will keep this in mind in case one of them flips.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 12:36 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 11:51 am
Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:10 am
fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:55 am Seanzie in an ISO doesn’t read great. Lots of redirection and fluff. It’s day 1 so I can give some leniency here

Tbd scum lean
Now I wonder whether or not people who townread Sean, actually have ISO'd Sean, or only read his posts by reading the thread, cuz I did ISO Sean also and scumread him too.
When have you not scumread me?
The last couple of games, actually. All MU games hosted by Nook I correctly townread you. And all games on this website as well. You were town everytime, and I defended you.

For some reason I thought you were pushing hard for me in one of the Turtles games, but I can't actually find any evidence for that now, so meh. The MU games dont count IMO since I really only played the very first one. So, I retract my question because you actually do seem to townread me most of the time.

I am getting a bit tired of reading you continually saying you scumread me without actually going into any detail though. Can you walk me through what you actually find scummy about me? Again, I feel like I am pro-towning, so while I don't necessarily expect everyone to see it as easily as I can (I do have TMI afterall), I am pretty confident that my light can be found by anyone willing to delve into it. So, tell me about me. What bothers you? What are you seeing? Is there anything townie that I've done, or am I straight-up howlin'?

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 12:33 pm i found it wild that u had pyxxy as top town sean but then i realized that ur worldbuilding for a full team, ur basing ur reads off of that

(i have no further implication here, this is a neutral observation, just sharing that ive made it) - ur pyxxy daisy finger reads are all connected it seems

No I am not worldbuilding for a full team, I just see the post Pyxxy made re:Spacedaisy as very townie, where you see it as scummy.

My mention about the Pyxxy/Finger thing to you was because I know your read on Pyxxy, and I thought you might be viewing FS through that lens, in which case FS's vote might look good to you (and honestly, I think if Pyxxy did flip scum, it would look reasonably good for FS since their vote did not feel like bussing/distancing), even though I think it is objectively bad.

Daisy is down there because I agreed with Pyxxy's take, but not necessarily based off of worldbuilding around Pyxxy's alignment or other people's alignments.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 12:31 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 12:28 pm The fact that she talked so much about the Kate/LHF thing without giving a single opinion on what it means for Kate's alignment really doesn't sit well with me.
i think its characteristic of her, a lot of the old school syndicators like to shield themselves due to liking each other - see daisy threatening to vote anyone voting finger etc

which is another reason to townread roxy - for not only voting kate, but admitting she thinks baker is mafia even though she's the biggest pusher of the "dont chop newcomers d1" thing

FS isn't shielding Kate though. If anything, FS's posts look more like they want Kate voted, but don't want to be the ones to push there themselves.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 12:25 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 12:23 pm I'm probably going to push for a FS vote, I'd love to hear your opinion there.
mine? ive no idea, ive barely played mafia with her, i dont know her too well outside mafia too. usually she's busy being a mom and can't afford to post too much so i struggle reading her

The fact that she talked so much about the Kate/LHF thing without giving a single opinion on what it means for Kate's alignment really doesn't sit well with me.

I also think that if you suspend disbelief and consider a possible Pyxxy!town world, her vote on Pyxxy does not look good in that world.

[VOTE: Fingersplints] aubergine

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 12:16 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 12:07 pm Wagons are bad folks. Let's hit a reset on this, shall we?
i really disagree but im curious who do u scumread that isn't a wagon except daisy

Baker is a big one, but I don't want to push there because I do kinda like the site soft-meta of letting 1st timers play at least one full day.

I'm probably going to push for a FS vote, I'd love to hear your opinion there.

pyxxy
tutuu
Caitlin

Porscha
Roxy
falcon45ca

Kate
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
DrWilgy

Belzy

hollowkatt
Spacedaisy

fingersplints

baker

Fingersplits was someone I had a hard time sorting GTH so I looked at their ISO. The majority of their posts are NAI posts about Kate being a LHF while never actually taking a stance on Kate. Their push on Pyxxy I think is picking at something that is that level -1 type of scummy that comes from town as often (maybe more often) than scum, and their post about me is starkly contrasted with my own self-perception right now. I actually had them slightly higher when I started writing this, but I moved them down halfway through this paragraph.

Belzy is focusing almost exclusively on me, and I don't like that. I'm not sure if they're slightly below null entirely because of OMGUS, but I definitely want to see them actually... do things that aren't just parrot their read of me over and over again.

Porscha I didn't feel the best about putting them there. I usually find them relatively quickly, and honestly while I think they are closer to town than wolf here, I don't feel confident about that, and that worries me.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 12:10 pm
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 11:36 am Eh, I actually politely disagree, I thought Pyxxy made a good point against Space Daisy here. Daisy's posts could easily have come from a wolf looking for a reason to support a wagon on a townie, and then when HK responded with some meh meh meh meh, Daisy didn't see it as meh, and instead said "oh, I shouldn't push there because HK is cognizent/fighting back". Daisy felt like they didn't actually want to engage with HK.
thats just how daisy talks ime. she puts a lot of effort to be polite, be cordial, she vehemently avoids getting in people's faces

1. Would Pyxxy know that?

2. I agree that that is what I expect from Daisy as a person, but they can still solve while being cordial, and that is not the sense I got from their interaction with HK.

Wagons are bad folks. Let's hit a reset on this, shall we?

Why aren't people around when I am around?

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 11:31 am
Seanzie wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 11:30 am
Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 6:39 am
baker wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 6:34 am Pyxxy and Seanzie are doing things which is better than nothing.

Probably not voting them either
I semi-like Pyyxxy carefully, but not Sean. What about Sean is better than nothing?
What about Sean is worse than nothing?
Your vote on Tutuu, your approval of the HK wagon, and your scumreads.

My vote on Tutuu is a just a holdover from page 3. I've already said this to you. Are you listening, or do you just want to chop me no matter what?

What is wrong with the HK wagon? I'm not even on it and it has 3 others, so I am not the only one who views HK as potentially bad. Since you said you don't like my scumreads, does that mean you townread Baker? They're voting HK.

Tell me about HK. What is your take on their slot?

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 11:02 am i think theres a good chance all 3 scum are wagoned which is rly funny i hope thats the case. well maybe 1-2 more realistically

My worldview and yours are pretty starkly opposed.

Kate is =rand

Nanook is =rand

Pyxxy is <rand!wolf

HK is the only one >rand!wolf here, and even that isn't a read I'd write home about.

I don't like the wagons.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:15 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:13 am re: kate lhf or not lhf i think there are some definition differences that are causing miscommunication

one definition of calling someone a lhf is to basically call them a noob

another definition of calling someone a lhf is say that theyre slanking (low posting) in this particular game

ive seen people use both definitions here and thats what causing discord from the looks of it
Town Kate falls into non of these categories

Kate currently is very non-active and has not actually engaged with the game. They claim to be busy, which I believe to be NAI, and I could see them seeing themselves as the slanking LHF.

I do want to say that I don't think LHF means noob. Many people have a certain aire of scumminess to them that they have a hard time shaking as town, or have townplay that is sometimes deemed unorthodox. These people can be quite good, very experienced players, but often end up being miselimmed due to these factors, and I believe they fall into the LHF category sometimes since they are common pushes.

Caitlin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:13 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 8:57 am roxy feels town to me

im fine with poeing everyone else including baker who im taking out of townreads now due to lot of ppl grievances with them
Yea Roxy had a pretty decent entry, I agree
pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:51 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 7:07 am Also pyxxy and hkatt not w/w i predict w pyxxy would bus hkatt here
tutuu don't take this the wrong way but I almost feel like this post TMIs hollowkatt as town
^
Imo it's weird how Tutuu is basing so much off of Hollowkatt/Kate being TvT while having both in the orange tier of their readslist

If Tutuu is mafia, good look on all of Pyxxy, Hollowkatt and Kate

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:55 am Seanzie in an ISO doesn’t read great. Lots of redirection and fluff. It’s day 1 so I can give some leniency here

Tbd scum lean
Also still not a fan of Seanzie's early theory, I still don't rlly believe that they believed it as strongly as they appeared to be, which is a scumtell I once heard

This is true, and that was purposeful. I often throw out overly-confident reads in the early game because this is how you get the game going, it give people something to do something with. Reads that are actually at D1 confidence don't generate content

I literally picked up this technique from watching a video from JJJ about good town play.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:10 am
fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:55 am Seanzie in an ISO doesn’t read great. Lots of redirection and fluff. It’s day 1 so I can give some leniency here

Tbd scum lean
Now I wonder whether or not people who townread Sean, actually have ISO'd Sean, or only read his posts by reading the thread, cuz I did ISO Sean also and scumread him too.

When have you not scumread me?

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:08 am tutuu
cait - obv town, tons of posting, frustrated at getting scumread by falcon
belzy - obv town, imo exhausting questions due to diligence due to being town
falcon - obv town, should always be townread, diligence, theres solving

daisy - i think her tone is rly towny; non-chalant; rejected a townread due tone
porscha - i think town due to being chill; porscha is prone to being perpetually anxious; as scum she'd struggle hiding it more
sean - i think town due to the normal town sean where he makes up some reads and lies about being confident about them. that's what he's done every single town game so no reason to doubt it. i havent seen him copy it as scum in the 2 scum games ive seen of him. i also thought that his thoughts were interesting on tutuu/cait/wilgy being w/w/w even tho its pretty off and pretty pepe silvia
roxy - just town due to tone, seems consistent with past town games, i dig her reads too

wilgy - i dunno how to read him
finger - i dunno how to read her
kate - i dunno how to read her this game
baker - i had some towny pings but a lot of ppl are expressing a scumread so i need to take baker out. potentially whiteknighted town!cait from town!falcon
nook - i dunno how to read him
hkatt - i dunno how to read him. similar to baker. gut i wanna say town but he seems pretty calm and cordial which is generally scummy especially for hkatt imo and also im taking into account the scumreads placed onto him so im rejecting my gut townread here

pyx - i think he saw the v/v wagons at hkatt and kate and didnt want the heat and placed vote onto v!daisy. daisy is obv town for me but she can also be not a too difficult mischop for mafia here as her townyness isnt shown in the standard / expected way of a town to show, its an easy vote to make on daisy here. i hated it

i personally dont think pyxxy is w/w with hkatt and w/w with kate, as i predict that pyxxy would be bussing them if he's mafia, as he loves bussing in general + recent game mafia bussed hardcore and stole a won game from town so he'd be biased to bus even more imo

Why hasn't your read on me changed since page 3?

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 10:02 am
pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:59 am also roxy's post makes me feel fine about possibly moving back to kate

if she's town it's roxy's fault if she's scum then I'm 2 for 2 baybeee

in the meantime spacedaisy hasn't reappeared so I'm content
Don’t like this. “If she’s town…. Blame someone else not me!”

I think this is a common NAI joke that many people do.

fingersplints wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 9:55 am Seanzie in an ISO doesn’t read great. Lots of redirection and fluff. It’s day 1 so I can give some leniency here

Tbd scum lean

Okay.... uhh what?

I usually have a good sense of where I'm at in terms of content, and sometimes I have a meh ISO, but not this time.

My first two posts I move the game out of RVS with a nuanced take on 3 players from the first 4 pages. My next two posts I question Tutuu's uncharacteristic townread of me, getting a sense of a player in the way I find best (getting them to engage with me about me), Then I pressured the highest-posting slot to interact with me, I made one joke post, and then two posts asking/thanking Baker for their avatar, I think ask clear pointed questions to Baker that they never responded to, then made a joke because Caitlin expects me to be playing 24/7, and then dropped multiple nuanced takes on 3 of the key players currently IMO.

What about this is redirection and fluff? I had maybe 3 or 4 joke/fluff posts, the rest were content-ladden.

For those scumreading me here, I don't get it. Sometimes this happens and I get it, but here? Nah. I'm peak-towning here. Right ya'z heads and lets actually solve this.

Roxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 8:44 am Not voting new players as per an original og rule here on TS.

But baker is bad.
Caity seems to be trying too hard especially the first few pages.

Falcon, tutuu, seanzie town
Wigly I have no idea

Kate however ........ whoever is calling her lhf is probs her partners bc nothing and I do mean NOTHING could be further from the truth.

Its where I'm voting vote kate

Gonna be doing the granddaughter thing all day at the watershed

Tell me about me... and Baker.

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 8:29 am Porscha is probably town, Sean Roxy daisy and fingers are all in weh territory which is very weh for me cause they should be easier reads, hk is weh bordering on scum, and i guess I'll lazy townread Caitlin.

I am far from weh territory, try again.

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 7:47 am Yes and also coz u guys initially listened to the 3 dead towns all screaming to chop delta but then delta wasnt chopped

Tbf I screamed that y'all should chop Epi...

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 7:12 am
pyxxy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 1:50 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:53 pm
Caitlin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 7:08 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 7:03 pm Not sure about hk. I don’t understand why they got votes to begin with and their response to it seems very understated. I feel like I’d try to be chill about it like that if I was in that position and were bad.
What response...? I don't think they have replied? And they are being voted because they tried to force the lynch in me, Baker and Falcon, without much explanation
My point exactly

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 9:57 pm They have posted but not really reacted to the fact they’ve had votes on them from the jump and now are the lead wagon. I’d at least say something about it if I were in that position. Saying nothing looks fishy to me. A bit like, if I don’t move maybe they won’t notice me.

Has someone built an actual case for HK that just didn’t stick with me and I should revisit? Why did they end up with so many votes?

Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 11:05 pm
hollowkatt wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 10:54 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 7:03 pm
Caitlin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:28 pm
falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2023 6:27 pm Hmmmm, Kate eh?
Indeed

I don't rlly like how she's just sitting on the sidelines asking for a summary, without rlly trying to do any solving on her own. She's just... there
It’s funny, I was just thinking this as I am reading in my catch up. I think I’ll move my vote back to [VOTE: Kate] aubergine.

I am slightly leaning town on Cait, Falcon, tutuu, and Wilgy.

Not sure about hk. I don’t understand why they got votes to begin with and their response to it seems very understated. I feel like I’d try to be chill about it like that if I was in that position and were bad.

In the end I am more familiar with Kate and I originally voted her since she had one post and wanted to encourage her to post some more. But it doesn’t feel like there is effort there I expect from her. Don’t worry about catching up Kate it’s mostly just Day 1 antics and Falcon is the only one really building a case. Just jump in and play from here because it’s probably going to come down to your gut anyway.

Honestly, there isn’t much to base anything on so it’s the best I’ve got at the moment.

Anyway, those are my current thoughts. They aren’t really worth much.
mostly I'm used to carrying wagons early in the game so I don't typically pay much attention to them. Nanook is going to vote me and park there it's a thing he's done basically since our champs game last year. Tutuu had an opportunistic vote but the rest of their content has been super townie so I don't really care about that either. Wigly is random and does whatever he wants to do, again it's just kind of a thing that exists.
Finally there's Caitlin who is what I consider the only legit vote I'm carrying as her suspicion is at least explained and understandable.

ultimately it's a 4 vote wagon with one auto, one rando, one opportunistic, and one legit vote. Not a thing I'd actually concern myself with.
Fair enough.
I want more than "Fair enough." after the biggest opinion you've had yet gets deflated live right before your eyes.

[VOTE: Spacedaisy] aubergine

I acknowledge that this is maybe an unfair expectation.
God this is such a wolf post imo

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine
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Eh, I actually politely disagree, I thought Pyxxy made a good point against Space Daisy here. Daisy's posts could easily have come from a wolf looking for a reason to support a wagon on a townie, and then when HK responded with some meh meh meh meh, Daisy didn't see it as meh, and instead said "oh, I shouldn't push there because HK is cognizent/fighting back". Daisy felt like they didn't actually want to engage with HK.

Belzy wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 6:39 am
baker wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2023 6:34 am Pyxxy and Seanzie are doing things which is better than nothing.

Probably not voting them either
I semi-like Pyyxxy carefully, but not Sean. What about Sean is better than nothing?

What about Sean is worse than nothing?

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