Cyberpunk Mafia [Town Wins]

[tutuu]

why are dutch people the tallest in the world? coz the short ones all drowned

[fingersplints]

Expected 102F in a few days with 38% humidity fuck me

The only thing I know about Fahrenheit is that 100+ is hot.

39C

Was out on the street dancing with my girl in the rain
23 deg now yay

[Belzy]

Expected 102F in a few days with 38% humidity fuck me

The only thing I know about Fahrenheit is that 100+ is hot.

39C

The horror. You will melt away.

me and the polar ice caps too buddy

ur smart ass soon:

If it is just us humans who drown, then at least Earth gets its peace back.

[tutuu]

Expected 102F in a few days with 38% humidity fuck me

The only thing I know about Fahrenheit is that 100+ is hot.

39C

Was out on the street dancing with my girl in the rain
23 deg now yay

best time to be british

[Belzy]

why are dutch people the tallest in the world? coz the short ones all drowned

[Belzy]

Who died walking home at night?
Poll runs till Sun Jul 09, 2023 1:00 am
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

You may select 1 option



Tutuu
1
6%
Voters: Seanzie

Spacedaisy
1
6%
Voters: pyxxy

Kate
3
17%
Voters: Spacedaisy, falcon45ca, Roxy

Pyxxy
3
17%
Voters: tutuu, Belzy, fingersplints

Nanook
2
11%
Voters: Porscha, Caitlin

Hollowkatt
3
17%
Voters: NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, baker, DrWilgy

[Belzy]

Kate vs Pyxxy vs HK
And vs Nook

[tutuu]

i think theres a good chance all 3 scum are wagoned which is rly funny i hope thats the case. well maybe 1-2 more realistically

[Belzy]

My scumreads vote off wagon (Sean and Pyxxy), or don't vote at all (Kate). Baker and Nook vote for HK, two players who I semi-scumread voting for HK. HK has yet to vote.

[Belzy]

i think theres a good chance all 3 scum are wagoned which is rly funny i hope thats the case. well maybe 1-2 more realistically

Which 3 would be teamed then?

Or which 2?

[Belzy]

Tutuu: I don't like this wagon.
Space: I don't like this wagon.
Kate: I like this wagon.
Pyxxy: I like this wagon.
Nook: I like this wagon.
HK: I don't like this wagon.

[Belzy]

Kate should probably be given a pass for now. They are a little flat, but that is NAI IMO. sin!Kate in Seven was active, just not as uhh... crisply solvy as town!Kate can be, so Kate is not activity-polarized or anything.

Sean thinks this about Kate. Does this make sense to people who are fam with (both Sean and) Kate?

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Tutuu] aubergine

The team is Tutuu, Caitlin, Wilgy.

I see your vote is still on Tutuu. A lot of time has passed since this vote of yours. How do you feel on Tutuu, Cait and Wilg now? I am asking because I don't scumread them at all.

I feel fine about them, I just haven't been swayed to move my vote yet.

[Seanzie]

Pyxxy and Seanzie are doing things which is better than nothing.

Probably not voting them either

I am probably the most content-dense person here, I got us out of RVS by pushing a team with actual reasons that caused people to have to respond, I don't have to have 10,000 posts to have more AI, solvy content than 75% of people in the game, and you'd label that as just "doing thing"? I don't feel like you're actually reading my posts. What do you think of my takes? You haven't responded to any of what I've said about people.

[Seanzie]

Pyxxy and Seanzie are doing things which is better than nothing.

Probably not voting them either

I semi-like Pyyxxy carefully, but not Sean. What about Sean is better than nothing?

What about Sean is worse than nothing?

[Belzy]

Pyxxy and Seanzie are doing things which is better than nothing.

Probably not voting them either

I semi-like Pyyxxy carefully, but not Sean. What about Sean is better than nothing?

What about Sean is worse than nothing?

Your vote on Tutuu, your approval of the HK wagon, and your scumreads.

[Seanzie]

Not sure about hk. I don’t understand why they got votes to begin with and their response to it seems very understated. I feel like I’d try to be chill about it like that if I was in that position and were bad.

What response...? I don't think they have replied? And they are being voted because they tried to force the lynch in me, Baker and Falcon, without much explanation

My point exactly

They have posted but not really reacted to the fact they’ve had votes on them from the jump and now are the lead wagon. I’d at least say something about it if I were in that position. Saying nothing looks fishy to me. A bit like, if I don’t move maybe they won’t notice me.

Has someone built an actual case for HK that just didn’t stick with me and I should revisit? Why did they end up with so many votes?

Hmmmm, Kate eh?

Indeed

I don't rlly like how she's just sitting on the sidelines asking for a summary, without rlly trying to do any solving on her own. She's just... there

It’s funny, I was just thinking this as I am reading in my catch up. I think I’ll move my vote back to [VOTE: Kate] aubergine.

I am slightly leaning town on Cait, Falcon, tutuu, and Wilgy.

Not sure about hk. I don’t understand why they got votes to begin with and their response to it seems very understated. I feel like I’d try to be chill about it like that if I was in that position and were bad.

In the end I am more familiar with Kate and I originally voted her since she had one post and wanted to encourage her to post some more. But it doesn’t feel like there is effort there I expect from her. Don’t worry about catching up Kate it’s mostly just Day 1 antics and Falcon is the only one really building a case. Just jump in and play from here because it’s probably going to come down to your gut anyway.

Honestly, there isn’t much to base anything on so it’s the best I’ve got at the moment.

Anyway, those are my current thoughts. They aren’t really worth much.

mostly I'm used to carrying wagons early in the game so I don't typically pay much attention to them. Nanook is going to vote me and park there it's a thing he's done basically since our champs game last year. Tutuu had an opportunistic vote but the rest of their content has been super townie so I don't really care about that either. Wigly is random and does whatever he wants to do, again it's just kind of a thing that exists.
Finally there's Caitlin who is what I consider the only legit vote I'm carrying as her suspicion is at least explained and understandable.

ultimately it's a 4 vote wagon with one auto, one rando, one opportunistic, and one legit vote. Not a thing I'd actually concern myself with.

Fair enough.

I want more than "Fair enough." after the biggest opinion you've had yet gets deflated live right before your eyes.

[VOTE: Spacedaisy] aubergine

I acknowledge that this is maybe an unfair expectation.

God this is such a wolf post imo

[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine
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[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine
[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine
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[VOTE: pyxxy] aubergine

Eh, I actually politely disagree, I thought Pyxxy made a good point against Space Daisy here. Daisy's posts could easily have come from a wolf looking for a reason to support a wagon on a townie, and then when HK responded with some meh meh meh meh, Daisy didn't see it as meh, and instead said "oh, I shouldn't push there because HK is cognizent/fighting back". Daisy felt like they didn't actually want to engage with HK.

[Seanzie]

Yes and also coz u guys initially listened to the 3 dead towns all screaming to chop delta but then delta wasnt chopped

Tbf I screamed that y'all should chop Epi...

[Seanzie]

Porscha is probably town, Sean Roxy daisy and fingers are all in weh territory which is very weh for me cause they should be easier reads, hk is weh bordering on scum, and i guess I'll lazy townread Caitlin.

I am far from weh territory, try again.

[Seanzie]

Not voting new players as per an original og rule here on TS.

But baker is bad.
Caity seems to be trying too hard especially the first few pages.

Falcon, tutuu, seanzie town
Wigly I have no idea

Kate however ........ whoever is calling her lhf is probs her partners bc nothing and I do mean NOTHING could be further from the truth.

Its where I'm voting vote kate

Gonna be doing the granddaughter thing all day at the watershed

Tell me about me... and Baker.

[Seanzie]

Seanzie in an ISO doesn’t read great. Lots of redirection and fluff. It’s day 1 so I can give some leniency here

Tbd scum lean

Okay.... uhh what?

I usually have a good sense of where I'm at in terms of content, and sometimes I have a meh ISO, but not this time.

My first two posts I move the game out of RVS with a nuanced take on 3 players from the first 4 pages. My next two posts I question Tutuu's uncharacteristic townread of me, getting a sense of a player in the way I find best (getting them to engage with me about me), Then I pressured the highest-posting slot to interact with me, I made one joke post, and then two posts asking/thanking Baker for their avatar, I think ask clear pointed questions to Baker that they never responded to, then made a joke because Caitlin expects me to be playing 24/7, and then dropped multiple nuanced takes on 3 of the key players currently IMO.

What about this is redirection and fluff? I had maybe 3 or 4 joke/fluff posts, the rest were content-ladden.

For those scumreading me here, I don't get it. Sometimes this happens and I get it, but here? Nah. I'm peak-towning here. Right ya'z heads and lets actually solve this.

[Seanzie]

also roxy's post makes me feel fine about possibly moving back to kate

if she's town it's roxy's fault if she's scum then I'm 2 for 2 baybeee

in the meantime spacedaisy hasn't reappeared so I'm content

Don’t like this. “If she’s town…. Blame someone else not me!”

I think this is a common NAI joke that many people do.

[Seanzie]

tutuu
cait - obv town, tons of posting, frustrated at getting scumread by falcon
belzy - obv town, imo exhausting questions due to diligence due to being town
falcon - obv town, should always be townread, diligence, theres solving

daisy - i think her tone is rly towny; non-chalant; rejected a townread due tone
porscha - i think town due to being chill; porscha is prone to being perpetually anxious; as scum she'd struggle hiding it more
sean - i think town due to the normal town sean where he makes up some reads and lies about being confident about them. that's what he's done every single town game so no reason to doubt it. i havent seen him copy it as scum in the 2 scum games ive seen of him. i also thought that his thoughts were interesting on tutuu/cait/wilgy being w/w/w even tho its pretty off and pretty pepe silvia
roxy - just town due to tone, seems consistent with past town games, i dig her reads too

wilgy - i dunno how to read him
finger - i dunno how to read her
kate - i dunno how to read her this game
baker - i had some towny pings but a lot of ppl are expressing a scumread so i need to take baker out. potentially whiteknighted town!cait from town!falcon
nook - i dunno how to read him
hkatt - i dunno how to read him. similar to baker. gut i wanna say town but he seems pretty calm and cordial which is generally scummy especially for hkatt imo and also im taking into account the scumreads placed onto him so im rejecting my gut townread here

pyx - i think he saw the v/v wagons at hkatt and kate and didnt want the heat and placed vote onto v!daisy. daisy is obv town for me but she can also be not a too difficult mischop for mafia here as her townyness isnt shown in the standard / expected way of a town to show, its an easy vote to make on daisy here. i hated it

i personally dont think pyxxy is w/w with hkatt and w/w with kate, as i predict that pyxxy would be bussing them if he's mafia, as he loves bussing in general + recent game mafia bussed hardcore and stole a won game from town so he'd be biased to bus even more imo

Why hasn't your read on me changed since page 3?

[Seanzie]

Seanzie in an ISO doesn’t read great. Lots of redirection and fluff. It’s day 1 so I can give some leniency here

Tbd scum lean

Now I wonder whether or not people who townread Sean, actually have ISO'd Sean, or only read his posts by reading the thread, cuz I did ISO Sean also and scumread him too.

When have you not scumread me?

[Seanzie]

roxy feels town to me

im fine with poeing everyone else including baker who im taking out of townreads now due to lot of ppl grievances with them

Yea Roxy had a pretty decent entry, I agree

Also pyxxy and hkatt not w/w i predict w pyxxy would bus hkatt here

tutuu don't take this the wrong way but I almost feel like this post TMIs hollowkatt as town

^
Imo it's weird how Tutuu is basing so much off of Hollowkatt/Kate being TvT while having both in the orange tier of their readslist

If Tutuu is mafia, good look on all of Pyxxy, Hollowkatt and Kate

Seanzie in an ISO doesn’t read great. Lots of redirection and fluff. It’s day 1 so I can give some leniency here

Tbd scum lean

Also still not a fan of Seanzie's early theory, I still don't rlly believe that they believed it as strongly as they appeared to be, which is a scumtell I once heard

This is true, and that was purposeful. I often throw out overly-confident reads in the early game because this is how you get the game going, it give people something to do something with. Reads that are actually at D1 confidence don't generate content

I literally picked up this technique from watching a video from JJJ about good town play.

[Seanzie]

re: kate lhf or not lhf i think there are some definition differences that are causing miscommunication

one definition of calling someone a lhf is to basically call them a noob

another definition of calling someone a lhf is say that theyre slanking (low posting) in this particular game

ive seen people use both definitions here and thats what causing discord from the looks of it

Town Kate falls into non of these categories

Kate currently is very non-active and has not actually engaged with the game. They claim to be busy, which I believe to be NAI, and I could see them seeing themselves as the slanking LHF.

I do want to say that I don't think LHF means noob. Many people have a certain aire of scumminess to them that they have a hard time shaking as town, or have townplay that is sometimes deemed unorthodox. These people can be quite good, very experienced players, but often end up being miselimmed due to these factors, and I believe they fall into the LHF category sometimes since they are common pushes.

[Seanzie]

i think theres a good chance all 3 scum are wagoned which is rly funny i hope thats the case. well maybe 1-2 more realistically

My worldview and yours are pretty starkly opposed.

Kate is =rand

Nanook is =rand

Pyxxy is <rand!wolf

HK is the only one >rand!wolf here, and even that isn't a read I'd write home about.

I don't like the wagons.

[Seanzie]

Pyxxy and Seanzie are doing things which is better than nothing.

Probably not voting them either

I semi-like Pyyxxy carefully, but not Sean. What about Sean is better than nothing?

What about Sean is worse than nothing?

Your vote on Tutuu, your approval of the HK wagon, and your scumreads.

My vote on Tutuu is a just a holdover from page 3. I've already said this to you. Are you listening, or do you just want to chop me no matter what?

What is wrong with the HK wagon? I'm not even on it and it has 3 others, so I am not the only one who views HK as potentially bad. Since you said you don't like my scumreads, does that mean you townread Baker? They're voting HK.

Tell me about HK. What is your take on their slot?

[Seanzie]

Why aren't people around when I am around?

[Seanzie]

Wagons are bad folks. Let's hit a reset on this, shall we?

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Porscha is probably town, Sean Roxy daisy and fingers are all in weh territory which is very weh for me cause they should be easier reads, hk is weh bordering on scum, and i guess I'll lazy townread Caitlin.

What is weh? Whatevah?

Weh is weh

[tutuu]

i think theres a good chance all 3 scum are wagoned which is rly funny i hope thats the case. well maybe 1-2 more realistically

Which 3 would be teamed then?

Or which 2?

i feel like pyx baker nook is one possibility for the team

kate and/or hkatt and/or 1 or 2 random poe members is another possibility

[tutuu]

Eh, I actually politely disagree, I thought Pyxxy made a good point against Space Daisy here. Daisy's posts could easily have come from a wolf looking for a reason to support a wagon on a townie, and then when HK responded with some meh meh meh meh, Daisy didn't see it as meh, and instead said "oh, I shouldn't push there because HK is cognizent/fighting back". Daisy felt like they didn't actually want to engage with HK.

thats just how daisy talks ime. she puts a lot of effort to be polite, be cordial, she vehemently avoids getting in people's faces

[Seanzie]

Eh, I actually politely disagree, I thought Pyxxy made a good point against Space Daisy here. Daisy's posts could easily have come from a wolf looking for a reason to support a wagon on a townie, and then when HK responded with some meh meh meh meh, Daisy didn't see it as meh, and instead said "oh, I shouldn't push there because HK is cognizent/fighting back". Daisy felt like they didn't actually want to engage with HK.

thats just how daisy talks ime. she puts a lot of effort to be polite, be cordial, she vehemently avoids getting in people's faces

1. Would Pyxxy know that?

2. I agree that that is what I expect from Daisy as a person, but they can still solve while being cordial, and that is not the sense I got from their interaction with HK.

[tutuu]

Why hasn't your read on me changed since page 3?

why should it change? u havent been too active in the middle of the day phase, and ive always locked u as town in the early game in the last 5 or so games we've played, except the turtles game

in syn's game u and alison were both sus of me coz i did the same - i locked townread u from ur first 3 or so posts and i never looked back. why fix something that isnt broken

[tutuu]

1. Would Pyxxy know that?

i dont know, probably not. i still scumread him due to his own cordial line

[tutuu]

Wagons are bad folks. Let's hit a reset on this, shall we?

i really disagree but im curious who do u scumread that isn't a wagon except daisy

[tutuu]

wagons are good folks keep the boat steady imo

[tutuu]

Seanzie in an ISO doesn’t read great. Lots of redirection and fluff. It’s day 1 so I can give some leniency here

Tbd scum lean

Okay.... uhh what?

I usually have a good sense of where I'm at in terms of content, and sometimes I have a meh ISO, but not this time.

My first two posts I move the game out of RVS with a nuanced take on 3 players from the first 4 pages. My next two posts I question Tutuu's uncharacteristic townread of me, getting a sense of a player in the way I find best (getting them to engage with me about me), Then I pressured the highest-posting slot to interact with me, I made one joke post, and then two posts asking/thanking Baker for their avatar, I think ask clear pointed questions to Baker that they never responded to, then made a joke because Caitlin expects me to be playing 24/7, and then dropped multiple nuanced takes on 3 of the key players currently IMO.

What about this is redirection and fluff? I had maybe 3 or 4 joke/fluff posts, the rest were content-ladden.

For those scumreading me here, I don't get it. Sometimes this happens and I get it, but here? Nah. I'm peak-towning here. Right ya'z heads and lets actually solve this.

sean lock town this post went hard

this is the sean equivalent of saying "get ur fucking heads out of ur asses"

[Seanzie]

pyxxy
tutuu
Caitlin

Porscha
Roxy
falcon45ca

Kate
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
DrWilgy

Belzy

hollowkatt
Spacedaisy

fingersplints

baker

Fingersplits was someone I had a hard time sorting GTH so I looked at their ISO. The majority of their posts are NAI posts about Kate being a LHF while never actually taking a stance on Kate. Their push on Pyxxy I think is picking at something that is that level -1 type of scummy that comes from town as often (maybe more often) than scum, and their post about me is starkly contrasted with my own self-perception right now. I actually had them slightly higher when I started writing this, but I moved them down halfway through this paragraph.

Belzy is focusing almost exclusively on me, and I don't like that. I'm not sure if they're slightly below null entirely because of OMGUS, but I definitely want to see them actually... do things that aren't just parrot their read of me over and over again.

Porscha I didn't feel the best about putting them there. I usually find them relatively quickly, and honestly while I think they are closer to town than wolf here, I don't feel confident about that, and that worries me.

[tutuu]

alright sure i was thinking earlier of proposing a baker wagon but idk if we'd be spreading ourselves too thin. idk who i'd ask for a baker vote. id still vote pyxxy over baker. but i support a baker wagon if we can somehow fit it in

[Seanzie]

Wagons are bad folks. Let's hit a reset on this, shall we?

i really disagree but im curious who do u scumread that isn't a wagon except daisy

Baker is a big one, but I don't want to push there because I do kinda like the site soft-meta of letting 1st timers play at least one full day.

I'm probably going to push for a FS vote, I'd love to hear your opinion there.

[Seanzie]

[VOTE: Fingersplints] aubergine

[tutuu]

I'm probably going to push for a FS vote, I'd love to hear your opinion there.

mine? ive no idea, ive barely played mafia with her, i dont know her too well outside mafia too. usually she's busy being a mom and can't afford to post too much so i struggle reading her

[tutuu]

sean is ic due to saying "no u cant do that" in response to getting scumread + omgusing belzy and finger

[Seanzie]

I'm probably going to push for a FS vote, I'd love to hear your opinion there.

mine? ive no idea, ive barely played mafia with her, i dont know her too well outside mafia too. usually she's busy being a mom and can't afford to post too much so i struggle reading her

The fact that she talked so much about the Kate/LHF thing without giving a single opinion on what it means for Kate's alignment really doesn't sit well with me.

I also think that if you suspend disbelief and consider a possible Pyxxy!town world, her vote on Pyxxy does not look good in that world.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Porscha is probably town, Sean Roxy daisy and fingers are all in weh territory which is very weh for me cause they should be easier reads, hk is weh bordering on scum, and i guess I'll lazy townread Caitlin.

I am far from weh territory, try again.

Weh

[tutuu]

The fact that she talked so much about the Kate/LHF thing without giving a single opinion on what it means for Kate's alignment really doesn't sit well with me.

i think its characteristic of her, a lot of the old school syndicators like to shield themselves due to liking each other - see daisy threatening to vote anyone voting finger etc

which is another reason to townread roxy - for not only voting kate, but admitting she thinks baker is mafia even though she's the biggest pusher of the "dont chop newcomers d1" thing

[tutuu]

i found it wild that u had pyxxy as top town sean but then i realized that ur worldbuilding for a full team, ur basing ur reads off of that

(i have no further implication here, this is a neutral observation, just sharing that ive made it) - ur pyxxy daisy finger reads are all connected it seems

[Belzy]

Seanzie in an ISO doesn’t read great. Lots of redirection and fluff. It’s day 1 so I can give some leniency here

Tbd scum lean

Now I wonder whether or not people who townread Sean, actually have ISO'd Sean, or only read his posts by reading the thread, cuz I did ISO Sean also and scumread him too.

When have you not scumread me?

The last couple of games, actually. All MU games hosted by Nook I correctly townread you. And all games on this website as well. You were town everytime, and I defended you.