The Syndicate

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:27 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:22 pm

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:16 pm All right, Guillo is now ahead of me now. I'll vote for cat rather than making a vanity vote as I would prefer not to yeet him.

[VOTE: cat] aubergine

This is kinda LAMIST @Michelle

What do you think?

If you wanna take it that way

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:24 pm @Guillotine Do you have a current read on Cat? I had you as reading Cat Null in my notes because I was unsure what you were leaning.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:16 pm All right, Guillo is now ahead of me now. I'll vote for cat rather than making a vanity vote as I would prefer not to yeet him.

[VOTE: cat] aubergine

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:18 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:08 pm @Guillotine tell me what do you want to work at

i want you to keep me in check if I start acting like I'm losing control, I'm very paranoid and stupid pushes that could very well come from town cloud my judgement, I need you to be my compass.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:08 pm @Guillotine tell me what do you want to work at

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:01 pm Epi: SVS and Michelle are scum
SVS: Epi and Michelle are scum

?

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 5:46 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 5:46 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 5:44 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 5:43 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 4:09 pm I mean Mafia would be silly to attack a Parity Cop Nigh 1.
Guillotine's claim just means that they will be safe from virtually all Wolf non-Roleblocker roles and draw in Town-aligned Protective Roles.
It's a very safe claim for a wolf, I'll say that. It wont be CCed today, maybe tomorrow another Cop might CC. And most townies wont want to chop a Cop claim Day 1.

I won't be CCed and anyone waiting to fake CC any other day than today will be lynched first.

That is not true at all. A Cop would be a fool to CC you today. From their perspective you are a very obvious wolf who is trying to draw out a Cop CC.

That is stupid, if a wolf claimed parity cop in this game I would have CCed, a wolf is a wolf.

Then we agree to strongly disagree.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 5:44 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 5:43 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 4:09 pm I mean Mafia would be silly to attack a Parity Cop Nigh 1.
Guillotine's claim just means that they will be safe from virtually all Wolf non-Roleblocker roles and draw in Town-aligned Protective Roles.
It's a very safe claim for a wolf, I'll say that. It wont be CCed today, maybe tomorrow another Cop might CC. And most townies wont want to chop a Cop claim Day 1.

I won't be CCed and anyone waiting to fake CC any other day than today will be lynched first.

That is not true at all. A Cop would be a fool to CC you today. From their perspective you are a very obvious wolf who is trying to draw out a Cop CC.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 4:18 pm The only problem I'm having is that I'm not actually confident a Parity Cop played like Guillotine has been playing today.

It's odd for a role that wont get info unto day 3 to be super active, trying to get people to speculate on them, and all that. Seems very Vanilla play.

I obviously haven't seen they play Cop, but it is certainly not expected of an average player.

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 4:09 pm I mean Mafia would be silly to attack a Parity Cop Nigh 1.
Guillotine's claim just means that they will be safe from virtually all Wolf non-Roleblocker roles and draw in Town-aligned Protective Roles.
It's a very safe claim for a wolf, I'll say that. It wont be CCed today, maybe tomorrow another Cop might CC. And most townies wont want to chop a Cop claim Day 1.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 4:04 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:55 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:53 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:50 pm Harclaim Parity Cop

Ok, you have my attention

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Can we finally work together or not. Im gonna die soon, i dont think im gonna see the day where i can reveal a parity check now that i claimed! Thanks!

Maybe there'd be a doctor in the house as well?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:58 pm I was gonna vote SVS after ISOing them, but then Guillo claimed parity cop so I don't want to move off Guillo.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:53 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:50 pm Harclaim Parity Cop

Ok, you have my attention

[VOTE: unvote] aubergine

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:51 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:45 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 2:48 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:28 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:25 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 1:22 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 1:03 am If I'm wrong at any point, there's another several hours to discuss it. Guillotine called me good (I don't know why) and S~V~S has said nothing about me (I don't know why).

One thing is for sure:

Unlike Ozymandias, I will be back later.

If you still dont know why, you have not been reading or lack of reading comprehension or dont understand language or you are myopic

Why don't you think Epi could be scum here, pushing an agenda?

Because i put myself on his shoes to see from his vantage point what he saw, and i can see that my reason to vote SvS at the time looked based on poor logic. It id a townie thought.

Talking about that poor logic, why do you think someone taking advantage of your mistake, if you are town, is town motivated?

Because that lines up to what ive seen from town!Epi, he is like me, trying to catch people with gotchas

Personally I think scum Epi wouldn't let his mate without his presence so many hours after posting first in the game, and from this reason I never had Epi in scum reads.

The rest of his posts felt like he found something really suspicious, not like he has a scum agenda to push.
Also, i liked what he said.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:46 pm From the OP

1.) Claim whatever you want if anything. This game has no roles.

Thoughts?

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:07 pm I don't necessary think either of these are bad kills. Although I am confused as to why SVS is wolf reading Guillotine, but not voting them despite SVS being Guillotine's current counterwagon.

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:41 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:39 pm

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:38 pm Hello!

I am here, but only for a little bit. What is going on?

Have you at least read the game?

If I had read the game, I wouldn't need someone to tell me what's going on.

What's going on?

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 2:48 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:28 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:25 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 1:22 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 1:03 am If I'm wrong at any point, there's another several hours to discuss it. Guillotine called me good (I don't know why) and S~V~S has said nothing about me (I don't know why).

One thing is for sure:

Unlike Ozymandias, I will be back later.

If you still dont know why, you have not been reading or lack of reading comprehension or dont understand language or you are myopic

Why don't you think Epi could be scum here, pushing an agenda?

Because i put myself on his shoes to see from his vantage point what he saw, and i can see that my reason to vote SvS at the time looked based on poor logic. It id a townie thought.

Talking about that poor logic, why do you think someone taking advantage of your mistake, if you are town, is town motivated?

Seanzie wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 3:38 pm Hello!

I am here, but only for a little bit. What is going on?

cat wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 1:10 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:49 am

cat wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 2:54 am Michelle posts actually seems more like baiting discussion than actually slipping something, she came back from work, started talking to people and trying to rile them up, unlike Guillotina who did nothing to start and start flailing when they get called out... I don't know the attentiveness of th people here but i'm pretty sure directly talking to people is more likely to create actual discussion then ignoring them. I won't give pointers since im a reactionary player myself but if you want to get people to talk about you it's much better to do something else than make the entire thread suspect you by saying something bland or generic

What is your take away from this Cat? This feels like there should be a conclusion following this but there isn't.

Should be pretty self-explanatory. Michelle is a villager, Gullotine is a wolf, SVS is null. The rest i don't have much opinion on. Nor a lot of time to dissect either. I'll just see where the wind takes me.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 12:53 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 12:48 pm It seems people are quite confident in their solves so I'll happily assume town is crushing this and let myself be carried to a win.

NO! Get your ass back here Radishman!

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 12:44 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 12:29 pm

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:09 am

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 5:34 pm @Guillotine Are you currently scum reading Wilgy? I was mostly curious since Wilgy also had voted with Seanize at the same time Michelle was doing and I recall you mentioning that Wilgy was flip-floppy with their reading of you.

I'm thinking Wilgy looks a bit worse than Michelle in this situation. Mostly due to the fact Wilgy is more or less letting you just go at Michelle here when the same argument you are presenting also applies to Wilgy. There was also the point that Wilgy agreed with me on Town reading Michelle, whom I jotted down that Wilgy was scum reading early. And despite as of post #149 Wilgy moving over to Town reading Michelle, they have seemed content to allow you to just go after her freely, unquestioned.

What do you mean by this? Why would I interject for Michelle rather than try to solve between Guillo/Michelle as I observe their interactions. While I do think it's likely Michelle saw the same 'poopoo on the thread' that resulted in the vote that I did, I gave reasoning for it (at michelle's request) to which Michelle was in agreement with. I wouldn't be able to parse weather or not Michelle just took the reason I gave as their own in mimicry or not.

I feel as if you didn't read why I had Michelle in the read before posting this. I'd advise looking at that again. Michelle's equity, even early, was always in direct contrast to Guillo, the better I feel about Guillo the worse I feel about Michelle and the inverse. Both of them had reasons to be red in my first rainbow.

I asked Wilgy the question earlier about what they would read me and Falcon as if both SVS and you were Town. They were adamant that falcon would always be Town, even if it turns out they are currently leading a mischop, but were not willing to say I was Mafia or Town either way in that same scenario.


To me with what you were saying about Wilgy earlier and their answer to my question I think they might be scum hedging their bets a bit and trying not to get too in the way of anyone spearheading a vote.

Yes, because Falcon has extensive meta to reflect that their posting is town. It has nothing to do with any equity towards or against other players. I do not have that same read for you.

Outside of Michelle, do you have any other instances where I'm hedging as opposed to solving? I think 112 put it well in your recent game, 'is me hedging scum indicative? OR is it me parsing the data and moving reads around?'

Trying to deflect and say I did not read your posts is not going to do a whole lot to convince me. I've read through your posts and the game significantly more than you have if I were a betting man.

I know full well you do not think they are a scum pair, that was pretty obvious by your firsts reads list. The point was that you were, up to the point I made your quoted post, a fairly active person in the discussion. So you to suddenly drop a response to my town read of Michelle with an affirmation that you agreed, then proceeded to step aside and not comment further on Guillotine or Michelle when Guillotine was laying out their case for Michelle is very odd to me. I would expect for someone who had a strong wolf read on Guillotine and a (at least) a town lean on Michelle to comment on the ongoing case that their scum read was making on a town read of there's.

The fact that you said you were trying to avoid talking about it looks even worse for you in my eyes. For Wolf!Wilgy this is just a win/win/win. You get a free mislynch on Michelle and you can pawn it off on Guillotine because you were already scum reading them and all you had to do was put no effort into defending your town read while you main scum read pushes.

Advising how I feel on a subject is not deflecting. I did not say you did not read it, I said how it made me feel about it. The advisement comes regardless of if you did or not. It is not a competition of who read more you silly chameleon.

I had to get back to work and returned to the thread when I could. I'd glance at it on my phone, but without the ability to invest time into it I felt no need to comment. I could barely absorb the information from Guillo's and Michelle's big posts (something I'm just kinda bad at in general). I have also commented on it upon returning. Still very much feels in the realm of forced narrative from Guillo.

There's a big difference between 'I'm trying to avoid talking about it' and 'I'm not going to interject.' I've spoken about it. I think out of Michelle/Guillo at this point, there's likely a W guillo but not Michelle. Again, Guillo feels like they've been forcing a narrative that isn't accurate.

I also wasn't aware that you were referring to specifically when I had to step away. Seems kinda shifty to sr someone for that. Like I was just working.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 11:31 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 11:20 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:54 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 3:40 pm Guillo's prolly town, he's swinging at anything he finds sus

Are we playing different games? Guillo's openly advised they are tunneling and they've been hyper fixated upon me/michelle while at the same time svs is scum but didn't say anything about that one?

Some of this just aligns w/ how I've come to expect T Guillo to play, he tunnels all the time, but his soft claim is sus AF IMO






What's your take on his claim?

a pr knowing that they can negate the one tool town has going for them is not town sided. NAI at best, W at worst.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 11:20 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:54 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 3:40 pm Guillo's prolly town, he's swinging at anything he finds sus

Are we playing different games? Guillo's openly advised they are tunneling and they've been hyper fixated upon me/michelle while at the same time svs is scum but didn't say anything about that one?

Some of this just aligns w/ how I've come to expect T Guillo to play, he tunnels all the time, but his soft claim is sus AF IMO






What's your take on his claim?

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 11:17 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:39 am Game ends in 14 hours, if in 4 hours momentum has not changed, i will have no choice but to claim.

Dude, you just did.





I don't understand this at all if you're town, what's the point?

S~V~S wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:56 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:25 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:23 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:19 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:11 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:03 am And just like that DrWilgy goes away from a real time convo with me.

Chicken lol

Some of us have better things to do than entertain you Guillo.

More than resolving your alleged pair of Guillo/SvS? Tsk tsk tsk

yeah, I'd say reading two pages of a 7 page game and actually parsing the data there is somewhat important. Then I get to go back to work.

If info within those pages changes the Guillo/SvS pairing fine, but otherwise we sleepy boi hours.

Ok, i think SvS is paired with you, you think SvS is paired with me, wouldnt make more sense to just kill the common factor here but instead you choose to counterwagon me?

I’m not paired with either one of you, but based on this discussion Guillo looks worse than Wilgy to me.

Wilgy is making sense from a Wilgy world perdoective, whereas Guillo just wants to yeet”not himself”.

At this point I’m mainly a distraction, and town may learn most from yeeting me.

From reading back to Michelle’s reaction to Epis case, I had the thought that a yeet of me might be used by Michelle and:or Epi to clear her.

Because his whole case feels made up to me, from my perspective as town. So I might reverse the town reads I had on Michelle and the thought that his case made him town, too, cause I didn’t see it as something bad Epi would do. But Michelle’s reaction to it, I dunno.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:23 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:19 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:11 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:03 am And just like that DrWilgy goes away from a real time convo with me.

Chicken lol

Some of us have better things to do than entertain you Guillo.

More than resolving your alleged pair of Guillo/SvS? Tsk tsk tsk

yeah, I'd say reading two pages of a 7 page game and actually parsing the data there is somewhat important. Then I get to go back to work.

If info within those pages changes the Guillo/SvS pairing fine, but otherwise we sleepy boi hours.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:11 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:03 am And just like that DrWilgy goes away from a real time convo with me.

Chicken lol

Some of us have better things to do than entertain you Guillo.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 10:11 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:59 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:57 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:56 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:51 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:48 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:41 am

Alright and so do I? Very much a time where I'd chain games putting a 3rd vote down just to see how'd people interact around it.

Further, if it's NAI why is he discounted in the read? Where has your read on where's it's specifically wolfy for either me or Michelle to have been the 2nd and 3rd vote?

I never said im scum reading for being the 2nd or the 3rd.
This is why i think you are more likely to be scum than Michelle, because Michelle has read my content, she knows why she is being scum read. You on the other are still pretending not to know when ive been clear why i think you are scum if Michelle is not, you are still playing dumb and it infuriates to the point i wanna kill you with my own hands tonight, except i cant kill.

Maybe, JUST maybe, you aren't being clear? is that somehow within the realm of possibility to you?

No, i have been clear

clearly wolfy

Ok sure.

Say im mafia, who is my partner?

You and SVS have equity, I don't think I've seen anything immediate that excludes Seanzie, Cat, or MR.

Hmmm real weird when someone has half a cast they could be w/w with.

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 1:41 am I as town read from you Guillo, like earlier, is conditioned by meta

Meta is no more than a crutch, not a meaning to make a read, because people can break it on purpose, if you look at it from distance.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:57 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:56 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:51 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:48 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:41 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:37 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:31 am

This doesn't even make sense and if the argument is the "wagon of three early" you are discounting Seanzie entirely.

This feels like I said previously, a forced perspective.

Seanzie does this allthe time

Alright and so do I? Very much a time where I'd chain games putting a 3rd vote down just to see how'd people interact around it.

Further, if it's NAI why is he discounted in the read? Where has your read on where's it's specifically wolfy for either me or Michelle to have been the 2nd and 3rd vote?

I never said im scum reading for being the 2nd or the 3rd.
This is why i think you are more likely to be scum than Michelle, because Michelle has read my content, she knows why she is being scum read. You on the other are still pretending not to know when ive been clear why i think you are scum if Michelle is not, you are still playing dumb and it infuriates to the point i wanna kill you with my own hands tonight, except i cant kill.

Maybe, JUST maybe, you aren't being clear? is that somehow within the realm of possibility to you?

No, i have been clear

clearly wolfy

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:51 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:48 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:41 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:37 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:31 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 1:19 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 12:45 am

I am going to explain this to you.

Because you're so good at Mafia and all.

You said S~V~S was bad. That was this afternoon.

Later at this afternoon, you said you would vote S~V~S "if the wagons remain like this."

If you are a civilian, you vote S~V~S and go on about your business. You didn't do that.

You are teammates.

Explain to me why I am wrong.

Because my focus at the time was Michelle whom i believed was scum and that if she was not then it is wilgy, im treating those as a difference check and as the cred hog that i am, i prefer a flip of a wolf i pushed than a flip of a wolf i was not responsible for pushing.

This doesn't even make sense and if the argument is the "wagon of three early" you are discounting Seanzie entirely.

This feels like I said previously, a forced perspective.

Seanzie does this allthe time

Alright and so do I? Very much a time where I'd chain games putting a 3rd vote down just to see how'd people interact around it.

Further, if it's NAI why is he discounted in the read? Where has your read on where's it's specifically wolfy for either me or Michelle to have been the 2nd and 3rd vote?

I never said im scum reading for being the 2nd or the 3rd.
This is why i think you are more likely to be scum than Michelle, because Michelle has read my content, she knows why she is being scum read. You on the other are still pretending not to know when ive been clear why i think you are scum if Michelle is not, you are still playing dumb and it infuriates to the point i wanna kill you with my own hands tonight, except i cant kill.

Maybe, JUST maybe, you aren't being clear? is that somehow within the realm of possibility to you?

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:50 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:54 pm Town

Michelle

Null

Seanzie
Cat

Scum

DrWilgy
SvS


Spicy read

LinearPoint could be whiteknighting me.

I get that Epi already pointed out how weird it is to have SvS in scum reads on this per the interactions between you and SvS as W/W, but in isolation this is just weird.

Your ONLY reference to SVS prior to this was:

Spoiler: show

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:18 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:14 pm

Guillotine wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:01 pm

LinearPoint wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 11:17 am I am not liking what I am reading from S~V~S so far.

This post is basically just meaningless fluff that doesn't even realistically contribute to anything.

Spoiler: show

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:18 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:50 am How many mafia we have in this game?

Well a post up there ^^ mentions that the “team” can start BTSC, so more than 1. Prolly 2. More than that would be unbalanced and Jay is all about balance.

Pair that last post with this one and I think there is a solid argument that S~V~S is trying to comment on the setup while sidestepping other topics. This is doubly so since by the point of this second post the Guillotine and Michelle situation was starting to develop.

Spoiler: show

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:28 am

Michelle wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:24 am
Why would be 3 unbalanced?

With only 10 players? That’s almost a third of the players list?

His Solar System game had 11 players, 2 mafia. With fewer players more wolves seems unlikely?

This is rather a debatable point to get aggro about?

Then I found this post to also ping me a bit. I find it weird they drop the Guillotine suspicious read in there, but were not one of the people voting on Guillotine. Then they also drop a good read on MIchelle while (in my opinion) also shading them as potentially bussing Guillotine. Which I do think it is also just odd to bring up bussing this early into the game.

Spoiler: show

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:24 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:20 am LP
Seanzie
Cat
Epi
SVS
MR
Michelle
Guillo

I get why Guillo, but why Michelle? I don’t associate snap votes with bad Michelle, do you think she’s bussing him?

This last one is probably just me being paranoid, but these few posts are reading to me as a wolf who is trying to go with the nice guy approach and trying to talk people down by being overly non-agressive.

Spoiler: show

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:39 am

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:28 am

With only 10 players? That’s almost a third of the players list?

His Solar System game had 11 players, 2 mafia. With fewer players more wolves seems unlikely?

This is rather a debatable point to get aggro about?

Did I put enough question marks in this ^^? Maybe I need a few more?

@DrWilgy mathematical balance is not my strong suit; I was working on the premise that he wouldn’t have more wolves than in a game with more players than this. Hopefully he chooses to tell us, but if not, not.

S~V~S wrote: ↑Wed Aug 23, 2023 10:54 am @falcon45ca nah

You’re reading too much into one word. I’ve noticed you tend to do this with me.

Do you think Michelle is town?

[VOTE: S~V~S] aubergine

@Michelle have you played with SVS before? If so, how many times approximately?

Yes, of course. Many times but I never counted.
Also I mix up in my head her meta with other sweet Syndicate voices so I have to read her from scratch each time.

Why?

Then SVS is scum because everyone that has played with you knows that you dont bus on day 1 ever, you are not a hellbusser. I would have understand the suspicion if they said i could be bussing you as i have a bussing meta, but not the other way around. You dont bus because you don't feel confident to survive as a wolf on your own, you rather be bussed.

So the read was strictly based on meta AND based on a direct dependency on Michelle from a singular interaction. This is not a good look. It feels like you felt the NEED to put SVS there rather than it being an actual read positioning.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:41 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:37 am

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:31 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 1:19 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 12:45 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 12:40 am Somif your solve is SVS and me then easy, lynch SvS then me, except of course if there are two scum which i firmly believe, the game will not end and then you vote out Wilgy and the game will end.m

I am going to explain this to you.

Because you're so good at Mafia and all.

You said S~V~S was bad. That was this afternoon.

Later at this afternoon, you said you would vote S~V~S "if the wagons remain like this."

If you are a civilian, you vote S~V~S and go on about your business. You didn't do that.

You are teammates.

Explain to me why I am wrong.

Because my focus at the time was Michelle whom i believed was scum and that if she was not then it is wilgy, im treating those as a difference check and as the cred hog that i am, i prefer a flip of a wolf i pushed than a flip of a wolf i was not responsible for pushing.

This doesn't even make sense and if the argument is the "wagon of three early" you are discounting Seanzie entirely.

This feels like I said previously, a forced perspective.

Seanzie does this allthe time

Alright and so do I? Very much a time where I'd chain games putting a 3rd vote down just to see how'd people interact around it.

Further, if it's NAI why is he discounted in the read? Where has your read on where's it's specifically wolfy for either me or Michelle to have been the 2nd and 3rd vote?

cat wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 2:54 am I don't see what people see about SVS so i will stay off.

To me reading Michelle posts actually seems more like baiting discussion than actually slipping something, she came back from work, started talking to people and trying to rile them up, unlike Guillotina who did nothing to start and start flailing when they get called out... I don't know the attentiveness of th people here but i'm pretty sure directly talking to people is more likely to create actual discussion then ignoring them. I won't give pointers since im a reactionary player myself but if you want to get people to talk about you it's much better to do something else than make the entire thread suspect you by saying something bland or generic

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:31 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 1:19 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 12:45 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 12:40 am Somif your solve is SVS and me then easy, lynch SvS then me, except of course if there are two scum which i firmly believe, the game will not end and then you vote out Wilgy and the game will end.m

I am going to explain this to you.

Because you're so good at Mafia and all.

You said S~V~S was bad. That was this afternoon.

Later at this afternoon, you said you would vote S~V~S "if the wagons remain like this."

If you are a civilian, you vote S~V~S and go on about your business. You didn't do that.

You are teammates.

Explain to me why I am wrong.

Because my focus at the time was Michelle whom i believed was scum and that if she was not then it is wilgy, im treating those as a difference check and as the cred hog that i am, i prefer a flip of a wolf i pushed than a flip of a wolf i was not responsible for pushing.

This doesn't even make sense and if the argument is the "wagon of three early" you are discounting Seanzie entirely.

This feels like I said previously, a forced perspective.

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:28 am

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:25 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 1:22 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 1:03 am If I'm wrong at any point, there's another several hours to discuss it. Guillotine called me good (I don't know why) and S~V~S has said nothing about me (I don't know why).

One thing is for sure:

Unlike Ozymandias, I will be back later.

If you still dont know why, you have not been reading or lack of reading comprehension or dont understand language or you are myopic

Why don't you think Epi could be scum here, pushing an agenda?

Because i put myself on his shoes to see from his vantage point what he saw, and i can see that my reason to vote SvS at the time looked based on poor logic. It is a townie thought.

falcon45ca wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 9:25 am

Guillotine wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 1:22 am

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 1:03 am If I'm wrong at any point, there's another several hours to discuss it. Guillotine called me good (I don't know why) and S~V~S has said nothing about me (I don't know why).

One thing is for sure:

Unlike Ozymandias, I will be back later.

If you still dont know why, you have not been reading or lack of reading comprehension or dont understand language or you are myopic

Why don't you think Epi could be scum here, pushing an agenda?

Michelle wrote: ↑Thu Aug 24, 2023 1:41 am I as town read from you Guillo, like earlier, is conditioned by meta

Meta is no more than a crutch, not a meaning to make a read, because people can break it on purpose, if you look at it from distance.

Like Michelle is town because she don't wall posts as mafia is like a far away taken photo, but Michelle is town because she was careful to make the wall easy readable is a more close up photo of a detail in the landscape.

Also if you want to go even closer to the truth, you check what Michelle intended to do with that post and leave the photographic approach of meta and go to level 2, if analysing it.


For eg, if I say Guillo is scum because he never wall case as town from what I know would be the first bad approach.