Phenon Mafia: ENDGAME - Snuffed

#2561

Quin wrote:Vote Dizzy, might switch to marmot, for reasons.

#2562

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:I'll also say that the reason I didn't join her on the marmot wagon at the time was because I didn't entirely trust her at the time. I did consider it though.
Why didn't you trust her?

Don't remember.

#2563

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:INH was self-aligned, and his interests were purely his own. It wasn't the best lynch, it wasn't the worst lynch. Most importantly, in the eyes of the Hive team, he was not one of theirs. In that vein it can be treated as a mislynch, particularly during the day prior to INH revealing himself as an LMS independent role. The votes that preceded that claim:

Golden
speedchuck
JOH
Fredwood

I would appreciate if the four of you would at least briefly state or restate what motivated your INH votes when you placed them.

Dizzy and Quin voted for INH after his claim. It is more difficult to ascertain ulterior motives there as INH provided an obvious motive. I will still each of you though: what made you feel that the vote was still worth making?

It was him or me. I know I'm town. I didn't know his alignment when I voted. I probably would have voted just about anybody to save myself. Maaaaaybe would have held off on Nutella and you.

My reason for suspecting INH and being willing to lynch him aside from saving myself is that he was 95% focused on Dizzy for the entire game. He put forth an unconvincing argument, spent almost all of his time pursing it and then after D2, disappeared completely. His throwing shade at Golden and you (who I both believe are town) on day 1 for the map confusion didn't look great at the time (I've been waffling a bit on who came out better, INH or LC during that discussion) and looked extra bad once you were confirmed by Nut. This all gave the impression of a player who wasn't trying to catch scum and wasn't out to help the town.

As it turns out, I'm a bit vindicated because INH wasn't town. He wasn't trying to catch scum. He didn't have the town's best interest at heart.

But he wasn't mafia.

#2564

Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:I'll also say that the reason I didn't join her on the marmot wagon at the time was because I didn't entirely trust her at the time. I did consider it though.
Why didn't you trust her?
Don't remember.

You suspected nutella might have information on Marmot, suggested you might move your vote accordingly but didn't, because you were wary of nutella for reasons you don't remember. Instead you tried to lynch the easiest target available via the counterwagon to the potentially information-exposed (in your mind) bad guy.

Vote Quin

#2565

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:As it turns out, I'm a bit vindicated because INH wasn't town. He wasn't trying to catch scum. He didn't have the town's best interest at heart.

But he wasn't mafia.

I think that's it in a nutshell. Correct behaviour identification, incorrect motive assignment.

#2566

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:I'll also say that the reason I didn't join her on the marmot wagon at the time was because I didn't entirely trust her at the time. I did consider it though.
Why didn't you trust her?
Don't remember.
You suspected nutella might have information on Marmot, suggested you might move your vote accordingly but didn't, because you were wary of nutella for reasons you don't remember. Instead you tried to lynch the easiest target available via the counterwagon to the potentially information-exposed (in your mind) bad guy.

Vote Quin

I still don't remember.

#2567

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:I'll also say that the reason I didn't join her on the marmot wagon at the time was because I didn't entirely trust her at the time. I did consider it though.
Why didn't you trust her?
Don't remember.
You suspected nutella might have information on Marmot, suggested you might move your vote accordingly but didn't, because you were wary of nutella for reasons you don't remember. Instead you tried to lynch the easiest target available via the counterwagon to the potentially information-exposed (in your mind) bad guy.

Vote Quin

Question.

Would a baddie nightkill nutella and then immediately say 'I thought she'd be an every night cop'?

#2568

Quin wrote:
Quin wrote:Vote Dizzy, might switch to marmot, for reasons.

What were the reasons?

#2569

Question.

Why am I supposed to vote a maybe-copped person by a player I didn't trust over someone I'd been reading as bad and arguing against the past two days?

#2570

Golden wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:I'll also say that the reason I didn't join her on the marmot wagon at the time was because I didn't entirely trust her at the time. I did consider it though.
Why didn't you trust her?
Don't remember.
You suspected nutella might have information on Marmot, suggested you might move your vote accordingly but didn't, because you were wary of nutella for reasons you don't remember. Instead you tried to lynch the easiest target available via the counterwagon to the potentially information-exposed (in your mind) bad guy.

Vote Quin
Question.

Would a baddie nightkill nutella and then immediately say 'I thought she'd be an every night cop'?

Sure.

Nut claimed to cop JJJ during the day.

Quin didn't read all of Nut's posts, forgot about them or is lying. Alignment has nothing to do with the first two.

#2571

Quin wrote:Question.

Why am I supposed to vote a maybe-copped person by a player I didn't trust over someone I'd been reading as bad and arguing against the past two days?

Question

Why did you copy my question format?

#2572

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Quin wrote:
Quin wrote:Vote Dizzy, might switch to marmot, for reasons.
What were the reasons?

We are literally talking about them right now.

#2573

Golden wrote:
Quin wrote:Question.

Why am I supposed to vote a maybe-copped person by a player I didn't trust over someone I'd been reading as bad and arguing against the past two days?
Question

Why did you copy my question format?

Question.

Why did you forget the period at the end of Question?

#2574

Golden wrote:Question.

Would a baddie nightkill nutella and then immediately say 'I thought she'd be an every night cop'?

I think that answer depends upon the player. If Quin did that, the implication is that he really believed his team was removing a true cop and utilized transparency as a shield in the thread. It's the clever variety of WIFOM that I would associate with strong baddies. I don't believe it would be an accidental slip though, at least not from a veteran.

#2575

Quin wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Quin wrote:
Quin wrote:Vote Dizzy, might switch to marmot, for reasons.
What were the reasons?
We are literally talking about them right now.

RWAR

#2576

Quin wrote:Question.

Why am I supposed to vote a maybe-copped person by a player I didn't trust over someone I'd been reading as bad and arguing against the past two days?

You're supposed to vote for whoever you think is the best vote. I am supposed to judge whether your voting effort is truly representative of that. Here's my beef, sir:

You state vague distrust of nutella. I think she was blindingly town all game long. She was a glowing beacon of town. I need to know what your problem was if I am going to have any chance of caring about that problem relative to your voting behavior.

I also think Dizzy was an easy ass counterwagon vote on Day 2 and I don't think you ever did a satisfactory job of supporting that vote. Nobody who voted for Dizzy did that.

#2577

I'll make this a bit more blatant for you if you aren't satisfied, 3J. Give the word.

#2578

Quin wrote:I'll make this a bit more blatant for you if you aren't satisfied, 3J. Give the word.

Pineapple

#2579

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:Question.

Why am I supposed to vote a maybe-copped person by a player I didn't trust over someone I'd been reading as bad and arguing against the past two days?
You're supposed to vote for whoever you think is the best vote. I am supposed to judge whether your voting effort is truly representative of that. Here's my beef, sir:

You state vague distrust of nutella. I think she was blindingly town all game long. She was a glowing beacon of town. I need to know what your problem was if I am going to have any chance of caring about that problem relative to your voting behavior.

I also think Dizzy was an easy ass counterwagon vote on Day 2 and I don't think you ever did a satisfactory job of supporting that vote. Nobody who voted for Dizzy did that.

He's explaining right now.

#2580

I would personally recommend you just move on from this conversation, though.

#2581

Quin wrote:I would personally recommend you just move on from this conversation, though.

Where should I move my conversing to? Give me a direction that appeals to me and I might do that. Or I might continue to interrogate you. Depends on my mood.

#2582

Soneji, I'd love to hear about your worthless Day 3 vote.

#2583

Quin wrote:I would personally recommend you just move on from this conversation, though.

You heard him, guys.

Quin doesn't want to talk about his scum behavior anymore.

Just leave him alone already, okay?

Vote Quin

#2584

speedchuck wrote:http://forum.chocolatepi.net/showthread.php?tid=481 Mafia me.

http://forum.chocolatepi.net/showthread.php?tid=720 Town me.

I remember nothing of the town game.

Just saw this, thanks chuck. I'll take a quick look.

#2585

Are we gonna get vote tallies?

I've lost track of where our train has been and don't want a repeat of yesterday.

#2586

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Quin wrote:I would personally recommend you just move on from this conversation, though.
You heard him, guys.

Quin doesn't want to talk about his scum behavior anymore.

Just leave him alone already, okay?

Vote Quin

Because the only thing I could be trying to do in that blatant dismissal is avoid discussion. Okay.

#2587

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
speedchuck wrote:http://forum.chocolatepi.net/showthread.php?tid=481 Mafia me.

http://forum.chocolatepi.net/showthread.php?tid=720 Town me.

I remember nothing of the town game.
Just saw this, thanks chuck. I'll take a quick look.

I'm pretty proud of that scum game.

Going to bed. I'll answer about my INH vote when I tomorrow wake.

#2588

speedchuck wrote:Going to bed. I'll answer about my INH vote when I tomorrow wake.

Or you could answer it now instead of sleeping on it. I don't need a dissertation, I need an answer.

#2589

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Quin wrote:I would personally recommend you just move on from this conversation, though.
You heard him, guys.

Quin doesn't want to talk about his scum behavior anymore.

Just leave him alone already, okay?

Vote Quin

Please justify this. The only controversial thing pointed out is that I don't remember why I didn't trust nutella. Why exactly is that scum behaviour?

#2590

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
speedchuck wrote:Going to bed. I'll answer about my INH vote when I tomorrow wake.
Or you could answer it now instead of sleeping on it. I don't need a dissertation, I need an answer.

First reaction:

Didn't like the dizzy push because I thought dizzy as town. Marmot buddy stuff.
If you don't think this is thourou enough, whatever. Bed call..s

#2591

speedchuck wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
speedchuck wrote:Going to bed. I'll answer about my INH vote when I tomorrow wake.
Or you could answer it now instead of sleeping on it. I don't need a dissertation, I need an answer.
First reaction:

Didn't like the dizzy push because I thought dizzy as town. Marmot buddy stuff.
If you don't think this is thourou enough, whatever. Bed call..s

It'll do for now, thanks.

↑ Trust commanded

↓ Friendliness

#2592

Quin wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Quin wrote:I would personally recommend you just move on from this conversation, though.
You heard him, guys.

Quin doesn't want to talk about his scum behavior anymore.

Just leave him alone already, okay?

Vote Quin
Because the only thing I could be trying to do in that blatant dismissal is avoid discussion. Okay.

Do tell.

#2593

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Quin wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Quin wrote:I would personally recommend you just move on from this conversation, though.
You heard him, guys.

Quin doesn't want to talk about his scum behavior anymore.

Just leave him alone already, okay?

Vote Quin
Because the only thing I could be trying to do in that blatant dismissal is avoid discussion. Okay.
Do tell.

I'd rather not.

#2594

speedchuck wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
speedchuck wrote:http://forum.chocolatepi.net/showthread.php?tid=481 Mafia me.

http://forum.chocolatepi.net/showthread.php?tid=720 Town me.

I remember nothing of the town game.
Just saw this, thanks chuck. I'll take a quick look.
I'm pretty proud of that scum game.

Going to bed. I'll answer about my INH vote when I tomorrow wake.

And I thought INH's avatar was bad.

Brb. Having a seizure.

#2595

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Do tell.

#2596

This is Jay after he can't post for 24 hours

'give me answers now or I will flip!'

I have thoughts on Quin's entry today but I want to see what others have to say first.

#2597

Golden wrote:This is Jay after he can't post for 24 hours 'give me answers now or I will flip!'

I have thoughts on Quin's entry today but I want to see what others have to say first.

Will I like your thoughts on my entry today?

#2598

RIP nutella, thanks for playing a hell of a game.
I've only skimmed the EoD events from yesterday so I'm not too sure what happened, but the results could have heen worse. I'll get caught up and say things tomorrow.

How are we all feeling about JOH today? Did he convince everyone not to lynch him, or did INH make himself too lynchable to miss?

#2599

Sloonei wrote:How are we all feeling about JOH today?

Please tell me your own read, based on whatever content you have read, before others answer your prod.

#2600

Quin wrote:
Golden wrote:This is Jay after he can't post for 24 hours 'give me answers now or I will flip!'

I have thoughts on Quin's entry today but I want to see what others have to say first.
Will I like your thoughts on my entry today?

#2601

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Sloonei wrote:How are we all feeling about JOH today?
Please tell me your own read, based on whatever content you have read, before others answer your prod.

Nothing has changed since I left the thread yesterday.

#2602

I am sorry for being curt. I'm just upset that 3J is going to reclaim his title for most posts given his newfound motivation today.

#2603

I have apparently voted to travel West. I do not recall doing this.

#2604

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:INH was self-aligned, and his interests were purely his own. It wasn't the best lynch, it wasn't the worst lynch. Most importantly, in the eyes of the Hive team, he was not one of theirs. In that vein it can be treated as a mislynch, particularly during the day prior to INH revealing himself as an LMS independent role. The votes that preceded that claim:

Golden
speedchuck
JOH
Fredwood

I would appreciate if the four of you would at least briefly state or restate what motivated your INH votes when you placed them.

Dizzy and Quin voted for INH after his claim. It is more difficult to ascertain ulterior motives there as INH provided an obvious motive. I will still each of you though: what made you feel that the vote was still worth making?

He was one of 3 targets I was comfortable lynching. I still would not have voted for Jack at the end of the phase, and of my suspects he was the only one that was reasonably being pressured.

I wasn't 100 percent sure he was Mafia, but I felt the chances he was town was much slimmer. If he came on sooner and explained his theory, I don't know if I change my vote because his logic didn't make sense. He loses the game if Dys get's lynched, so there was still plenty of things that were red-flagging me about his claim that I don't know if I would have given him the leeway to get away with it.

#2605

Quin wrote:I am sorry for being curt. I'm just upset that 3J is going to reclaim his title for most posts given his newfound motivation today.

Call me when you're the King of Fuck Mountain.

#2606

Quin wrote:I am sorry for being curt. I'm just upset that 3J is going to reclaim his title for most posts given his newfound motivation today.

I was worried I was about to surpass the two of you.

#2607

Sloonei wrote:I have apparently voted to travel West. I do not recall doing this.

This happened yesterday. I have absolutely no idea where we are in the grand scheme of things. Can someone sum up where we've moved?

#2608

Re: location

The poll remains from last day phase. I don't know if that's sprityo's intent. If we end up with a new poll later, we'll need to be a bit more careful. We ended up wandering into a location we'd already visited and screwed ourselves out of an item vote.

#2609

3J. With that big ol' brain of yours, can you come up with a civ-minded reason that I'd enter the way I did today? No need to share with the class.

#2610

Fredwood wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:INH was self-aligned, and his interests were purely his own. It wasn't the best lynch, it wasn't the worst lynch. Most importantly, in the eyes of the Hive team, he was not one of theirs. In that vein it can be treated as a mislynch, particularly during the day prior to INH revealing himself as an LMS independent role. The votes that preceded that claim:

Golden
speedchuck
JOH
Fredwood

I would appreciate if the four of you would at least briefly state or restate what motivated your INH votes when you placed them.

Dizzy and Quin voted for INH after his claim. It is more difficult to ascertain ulterior motives there as INH provided an obvious motive. I will still each of you though: what made you feel that the vote was still worth making?
He was one of 3 targets I was comfortable lynching. I still would not have voted for Jack at the end of the phase, and of my suspects he was the only one that was reasonably being pressured.

I wasn't 100 percent sure he was Mafia, but I felt the chances he was town was much slimmer. If he came on sooner and explained his theory, I don't know if I change my vote because his logic didn't make sense. He loses the game if Dys get's lynched, so there was still plenty of things that were red-flagging me about his claim that I don't know if I would have given him the leeway to get away with it.

Who were your other two suspects?

I believe you have the most experience playong with JOH of any of us, so I should probably pay attention to your opposition to his lynch. Why do you see him as a bad lynch candidate?

How would you Rate this game?