Cartomancy [Game Over]

[Seanzie]

Your push on me is so ill advised that you've become a bigger wagon than me even without me pushing you at all.

Everything you're complaining about me doing, you're doing. I'm not doing enough by just pushing Alison? You're not doing enough by just pushing me.

Only I'm pushing a wolf and you're pushing a townie. If you really are town and you really can't get over this, at least do something else useful so people stop thinking you're a wolf.

Bub you can’t even make a half-convincing case that you’re unaware of my alignment. I’m not the one trolling the thread with useless nonsense. I have plenty of other thoughts on other people in the game, and you don’t.

You are frustrating.

What is your take on Baudib?

You asked this of me. I did the work. You prompted to ignore it and do the opposite of the outcome. Why?

Uhh... what are you talking about? You concluded Baudib was bad if I didn't misunderstand you.

Yes but common parlance is to at least acknowledge and regard a post someone makes because you asked them to and to critique and bolster. You just did some random voting and ignored it. For someone who has been critical of me all game this is an irregular outcome

It was long and hard to parse and the world doesn't revolve around you, Rondo. I read maybe 3 lines of it and felt it didn't read well, but I didn't bother to respond because there were other things on my mind.

Did you want like a gold star or something?

[robyn]

Why is Rox always dying here if it’s Rox vs Alison?

lynching town alison is throwing, we are not doing that

[falcon45ca]

We can't have a 4, 4, 3 wagon set up. That's way to fuckin' easy for Maf to find a way to tie IMO

[fingersplints]

Why is Rox always dying here if it’s Rox vs Alison?

lynching town alison is throwing, we are not doing that

Why though? That makes no sense

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: creature] aubergine

[Roxy]

@Roxy I am confirmed town, vote Jack

Yeah I know but that does not mean your reads are correct. I killed the Dr my first try Abbeville I was left alone. Tried to get you to see Golden as doc but you were uber focused on Kate and we missed 2 nks. Bc you would not listen about protections.


Tbh I feel my read here is far more accurate.

I'm sorry if you feel this is mean but I'm trying my best for the town.

nice one hitting at my credibility lmao
it's not that i believe alison is town
i believe alison's foreign playstyle has titled you, and if the wagons are you/alison you are always dying here and it could be v/v, so i want your vote on jack
and lynching town alison is game losing

But I actuarial liked Jack's posts. I thought he made an excellent case on Alison.
Idk what tilted is but I can read a baddie.. she is bad.

You literally just asked people to vote me. Do whatever but i hope people will read what I've said.

I cannot help what happened in game. Your reads were bad.

[robyn]

Alison
3
14%
Voters: sig, Jackofhearts2005, Roxy
Baudib1
3
14%
Voters: Seanzie, Dennis, DrWilgy
Bereft
0
No votes
Voters: None
Creature
2
10%
Voters: MacDougall, falcon45ca
Dennis
0
No votes
Voters: None
DrWilgy
0
No votes
Voters: None
falcon45ca
1
5%
Voters: Bereft
fingersplints
0
No votes
Voters: None
Jackofhearts2005
4
19%
Voters: staypositivefriend, lucy, Baudib1, Neon
Kate
0
No votes
Voters: None
lucy
0
No votes
Voters: None
MacDougall
0
No votes
Voters: None
Neon
0
No votes
Voters: None
Porscha
1
5%
Voters: tutuu
RondoDimBuckle
0
No votes
Voters: None
Roxy
2
10%
Voters: Alison, Creature
Seanzie
1
5%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle
sig
0
No votes
Voters: None
staypositivefriend
0
No votes
Voters: None
tutuu
0
No votes
Voters: None

[DrWilgy]

I don't think Lucy is wolf siding, but I find myself not trusting what they are saying. It feels like there's an agenda, but idk why.

i always play with agenda, as conf town i can openly express that agenda
i can play every game like this if it wouldn't get me killed

This doesn't even make sense? Town agendas come from PRs and from overconfident conclusions. How are you possibly at a certainty at this point in the game where you can have an agenda?

[robyn]

I cannot help what happened in game. Your reads were bad

every alignment read i made in the last game was correct

[DrWilgy]

Voted [VOTE: Baudib] aubergine to tie it up with Jack. Show me something amazing.

god you make my skin crawl wigly, get the fuck off baudib and alison

This post means nothing.

And no.

[Baudib1]

ftr im insecure about my vote on jack and im not sure that im going to hold there

i just prefer him over the baud/alison wagons atm

What wagon(s) would you prefer instead?

i perceive the pool of creature/splints/falcon/sig as being likely to contain at least 2 wolves

I would guess you are probably correct.

I would say of the people casing/pushing me, Rondo is almost certainly town; Seanzie feels genuine; Falcon seems extremely sus. Bereft feels pure and his casing of Falcon was solid work.

Splints/sig/wilgy are flying utr.

Roxy seems rand to me; I think the pushback on Alison is likely at least partially wolf-driven though that doesn't mean much for Roxy's alignment imo.

Pretty tough to yeet mafia in this game state with 5 living so if you want to move to another wagon please @me, i'm out of posts. Who else do you trust?

[DrWilgy]

ftr im insecure about my vote on jack and im not sure that im going to hold there

i just prefer him over the baud/alison wagons atm

What wagon(s) would you prefer instead?

i perceive the pool of creature/splints/falcon/sig as being likely to contain at least 2 wolves

I would guess you are probably correct.

I would say of the people casing/pushing me, Rondo is almost certainly town; Seanzie feels genuine; Falcon seems extremely sus. Bereft feels pure and his casing of Falcon was solid work.

Splints/sig/wilgy are flying utr.

Roxy seems rand to me; I think the pushback on Alison is likely at least partially wolf-driven though that doesn't mean much for Roxy's alignment imo.

Pretty tough to yeet mafia in this game state with 5 living so if you want to move to another wagon please @me, i'm out of posts. Who else do you trust?

You keep posting that I'm obv wolf and utr but I really don't think you've engaged with me once so far.

Don't make sense to me.

[falcon45ca]

ftr im insecure about my vote on jack and im not sure that im going to hold there

i just prefer him over the baud/alison wagons atm

What wagon(s) would you prefer instead?

i perceive the pool of creature/splints/falcon/sig as being likely to contain at least 2 wolves

I would guess you are probably correct.

I would say of the people casing/pushing me, Rondo is almost certainly town; Seanzie feels genuine; Falcon seems extremely sus. Bereft feels pure and his casing of Falcon was solid work.

Splints/sig/wilgy are flying utr.

Roxy seems rand to me; I think the pushback on Alison is likely at least partially wolf-driven though that doesn't mean much for Roxy's alignment imo.

Pretty tough to yeet mafia in this game state with 5 living so if you want to move to another wagon please @me, i'm out of posts. Who else do you trust?

This is my fav quote of the game, hands down.

[robyn]

Voted [VOTE: Baudib] aubergine to tie it up with Jack. Show me something amazing.

god you make my skin crawl wigly, get the fuck off baudib and alison

This post means nothing.

And no.

i am town, i strongly townread baudib, why do you wolfread them?

[RondoDimBuckle]

Voted [VOTE: Baudib] aubergine to tie it up with Jack. Show me something amazing.

god you make my skin crawl wigly, get the fuck off baudib and alison

This post means nothing.

And no.

[VOTE: wilgy] aubergine
I still want to be voting sean but I do not like your posts recently even if tutuu has been calling you town the reasons are weak

[fingersplints]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

This is a bit reactionary, but I don’t like Lucy’s insistence here it’s game over or “throwing” if Alison is voted. No one person is game ending.

[Roxy]

I cannot help what happened in game. Your reads were bad

every alignment read i made in the last game was correct

I think it was 3 townies or close to that gg.

[staypositivefriend]

fingersplints didnt you just tell me like 24 hours ago that you thought alison and baub were town vs town.....? so do u believe this and ur voting alison for the sake of proving a point to lucy? or do u actually sr alison now?

[staypositivefriend]

fingersplints didnt you just tell me like 24 hours ago that you thought alison and baub were town vs town.....? so do u believe this and ur voting alison for the sake of proving a point to lucy? or do u actually sr alison now?

alison and roxy*

[RondoDimBuckle]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

This is a bit reactionary, but I don’t like Lucy’s insistence here it’s game over or “throwing” if Alison is voted. No one person is game ending.

have you not read the game? What is going on here?

Lucy is either Town or IC and I am either IC or Town. We have both CCed each other as Oracle and have not resulted in a dome. Lucy and I are town core. She is more productive because I love chaos so I am happy to give her the lead on the lynch while I do my own thing. Stop doubting her. Both sides of the Oracle want Alison not going over today. (But I would like more Alison posts closer to EOD so I can soul read her)

[robyn]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

This is a bit reactionary, but I don’t like Lucy’s insistence here it’s game over or “throwing” if Alison is voted. No one person is game ending.

jesus fuck why are you fucking doing the opposite of what i say and questioning everything. if it isn't obvious enough to you by now i am playing this game like chess and you are fucking throwing

why do you scumread alison

@DrWilgy I don't know how you go about social interactions, but i'm autistic so socializing is hard, i come into every social interaction with an agenda, usually for nothing if not for it to be normal

i am good at chess and come into an agenda before "rand"

i am strong at calculating and i've calculated out everything already, i am sorry if this is foreign play to you, but why the fuck are you doing what you're doing?

@Roxy why are you attacking my credibility, that is EXTREMELY wolfy, the kind of wolfy strategy i expect from you

[fingersplints]

fingersplints didnt you just tell me like 24 hours ago that you thought alison and baub were town vs town.....? so do u believe this and ur voting alison for the sake of proving a point to lucy? or do u actually sr alison now?

I did not plan on voting her at the time. I said I thought it was a playstyle clash. But I also think now one of those need to resolved or else it will plague us the entire game. And I like the posts of the other players with votes more than her.
And also yes, I disagree with Lucy’s posts

[Roxy]

My last post

I want to thank Neon, Dennis and splints. They seen the ick that was Alison and I and called it what it was.

<3

[fingersplints]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

This is a bit reactionary, but I don’t like Lucy’s insistence here it’s game over or “throwing” if Alison is voted. No one person is game ending.

have you not read the game? What is going on here?

Lucy is either Town or IC and I am either IC or Town. We have both CCed each other as Oracle and have not resulted in a dome. Lucy and I are town core. She is more productive because I love chaos so I am happy to give her the lead on the lynch while I do my own thing. Stop doubting her. Both sides of the Oracle want Alison not going over today. (But I would like more Alison posts closer to EOD so I can soul read her)

Being “either town or IC” does not mean “has info and therefore is infallible”

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: alison] aubergine


No ties yo

[robyn]

[VOTE: alison] aubergine


No ties yo

go on jack

[RondoDimBuckle]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

This is a bit reactionary, but I don’t like Lucy’s insistence here it’s game over or “throwing” if Alison is voted. No one person is game ending.

have you not read the game? What is going on here?

Lucy is either Town or IC and I am either IC or Town. We have both CCed each other as Oracle and have not resulted in a dome. Lucy and I are town core. She is more productive because I love chaos so I am happy to give her the lead on the lynch while I do my own thing. Stop doubting her. Both sides of the Oracle want Alison not going over today. (But I would like more Alison posts closer to EOD so I can soul read her)

Being “either town or IC” does not mean “has info and therefore is infallible”

Sure. I have a tinfoil on Alison as well. But the way you are approaching Lucy is tilting her. I do not like it, it makes you look bad. I want to town read you, I dont know why. Be productive instead of destructive please.

[Spacedaisy]

I have been asked this question privately, and I am going to answer it publicly. If the godfather has the most votes at the end of the day, the person with the second most votes will be eliminated in their place.

I apologize for delay, I've been dealing with some stuff since I got up.

[RondoDimBuckle]

@Porscha post more or be declared wolf

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: alison] aubergine


No ties yo

go on jack

Why Jack over Alison?



If it's purely "don't lynch Alison cuz if she's town that sux", I don't care. Alison's strat to lynch a slanker is sub-optimal, and I don't find it towny D1

[Roxy]

@lucy I attack it bc it is not credible. It is townie to do. You have no info. You have bad reads in the games I played with you. It's simple.

Now get me elimmed if ya can and no one will ever listen to you again this game.

[fingersplints]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

This is a bit reactionary, but I don’t like Lucy’s insistence here it’s game over or “throwing” if Alison is voted. No one person is game ending.

have you not read the game? What is going on here?

Lucy is either Town or IC and I am either IC or Town. We have both CCed each other as Oracle and have not resulted in a dome. Lucy and I are town core. She is more productive because I love chaos so I am happy to give her the lead on the lynch while I do my own thing. Stop doubting her. Both sides of the Oracle want Alison not going over today. (But I would like more Alison posts closer to EOD so I can soul read her)

Being “either town or IC” does not mean “has info and therefore is infallible”

Sure. I have a tinfoil on Alison as well. But the way you are approaching Lucy is tilting her. I do not like it, it makes you look bad. I want to town read you, I dont know why. Be productive instead of destructive please.

How is questioning someone “tilting them” or being destructive?
I’ve questioned her and been respectful in my questioning. I just don’t agree with her assessment

[robyn]

@lucy I attack it bc it is not credible. It is townie to do. You have no info. You have bad reads in the games I played with you. It's simple.

Now get me elimmed if ya can and no one will ever listen to you again this game.

[VOTE: Roxy] aubergine

[RondoDimBuckle]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

This is a bit reactionary, but I don’t like Lucy’s insistence here it’s game over or “throwing” if Alison is voted. No one person is game ending.

have you not read the game? What is going on here?

Lucy is either Town or IC and I am either IC or Town. We have both CCed each other as Oracle and have not resulted in a dome. Lucy and I are town core. She is more productive because I love chaos so I am happy to give her the lead on the lynch while I do my own thing. Stop doubting her. Both sides of the Oracle want Alison not going over today. (But I would like more Alison posts closer to EOD so I can soul read her)

Being “either town or IC” does not mean “has info and therefore is infallible”

Sure. I have a tinfoil on Alison as well. But the way you are approaching Lucy is tilting her. I do not like it, it makes you look bad. I want to town read you, I dont know why. Be productive instead of destructive please.

How is questioning someone “tilting them” or being destructive?
I’ve questioned her and been respectful in my questioning. I just don’t agree with her assessment

Ok thanks for the clarification I have no issue with this

[MacDougall]

@Roxy I am confirmed town, vote Jack

Yeah I know but that does not mean your reads are correct. I killed the Dr my first try Abbeville I was left alone. Tried to get you to see Golden as doc but you were uber focused on Kate and we missed 2 nks. Bc you would not listen about protections.


Tbh I feel my read here is far more accurate.

I'm sorry if you feel this is mean but I'm trying my best for the town.

nice one hitting at my credibility lmao
it's not that i believe alison is town
i believe alison's foreign playstyle has titled you, and if the wagons are you/alison you are always dying here and it could be v/v, so i want your vote on jack
and lynching town alison is game losing

But I actuarial liked Jack's posts. I thought he made an excellent case on Alison.
Idk what tilted is but I can read a baddie.. she is bad.

You literally just asked people to vote me. Do whatever but i hope people will read what I've said.

I cannot help what happened in game. Your reads were bad.

Can you talk me through this please Roxy? I didn't really think Jack's case was very good but you seem to think so. What was so great about it?

[MacDougall]

Voted [VOTE: Baudib] aubergine to tie it up with Jack. Show me something amazing.

Do you really think Baudib is mafia? I'd love an explanation on this.

[robyn]

be back in 40 minutes, to explain myself i now trust alison's read as roxy is being scummy as fuck
the level 2 reason i switched to roxy is because of the 2 votes already on roxy, since it's looking like roxy/alison wagons today
the level 3 reason is alison's alignment will become more clear after roxy flips, and roxy probbaly flips scum

[RondoDimBuckle]

@sig
@Jackofhearts2005
@Roxy
@fingersplints
@falcon45ca

Alison flips town > who are the wolves on your wagon? Who are the town?

Alison flips wolf > who bussed? who is pure?

[robyn]

► Show Spoiler

Alison
5
23%
Voters: sig, Jackofhearts2005, Roxy, fingersplints, falcon45ca
Baudib1
3
14%
Voters: Seanzie, Dennis, DrWilgy
Bereft
0
No votes
Voters: None
Creature
1
5%
Voters: MacDougall
Dennis
0
No votes
Voters: None
DrWilgy
1
5%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle
falcon45ca
1
5%
Voters: Bereft
fingersplints
0
No votes
Voters: None
Jackofhearts2005
3
14%
Voters: staypositivefriend, Baudib1, Neon
Kate
0
No votes
Voters: None
lucy
0
No votes
Voters: None
MacDougall
0
No votes
Voters: None
Neon
0
No votes
Voters: None
Porscha
1
5%
Voters: tutuu
RondoDimBuckle
0
No votes
Voters: None
Roxy
3
14%
Voters: lucy, Alison, Creature
Seanzie
0
No votes
Voters: None
sig
0
No votes
Voters: None
staypositivefriend
0
No votes
Voters: None
tutuu
0
No votes
Voters: None

[RondoDimBuckle]

@Alison

Same question as above to you. But also if you try to drop a case in the last moments I am going to assume you are wolf.

[falcon45ca]

@sig
@Jackofhearts2005
@Roxy
@fingersplints
@falcon45ca

Alison flips town > who are the wolves on your wagon? Who are the town?

Alison flips wolf > who bussed? who is pure?

If Alison flips town, Jack of course needs to be looked at (and prolly should be investigated anyways)


If Alison flips wolf...well, Jack & Alison could be w/w, scum theatre is a thing after all. Sig feels pure to me tho

[RondoDimBuckle]

@sig
@Jackofhearts2005
@Roxy
@fingersplints
@falcon45ca

Alison flips town > who are the wolves on your wagon? Who are the town?

Alison flips wolf > who bussed? who is pure?

If Alison flips town, Jack of course needs to be looked at (and prolly should be investigated anyways)


If Alison flips wolf...well, Jack & Alison could be w/w, scum theatre is a thing after all. Sig feels pure to me tho

Can you case Jack today before EOD?

[Roxy]

@Roxy I am confirmed town, vote Jack

Yeah I know but that does not mean your reads are correct. I killed the Dr my first try Abbeville I was left alone. Tried to get you to see Golden as doc but you were uber focused on Kate and we missed 2 nks. Bc you would not listen about protections.


Tbh I feel my read here is far more accurate.

I'm sorry if you feel this is mean but I'm trying my best for the town.

nice one hitting at my credibility lmao
it's not that i believe alison is town
i believe alison's foreign playstyle has titled you, and if the wagons are you/alison you are always dying here and it could be v/v, so i want your vote on jack
and lynching town alison is game losing

But I actuarial liked Jack's posts. I thought he made an excellent case on Alison.
Idk what tilted is but I can read a baddie.. she is bad.

You literally just asked people to vote me. Do whatever but i hope people will read what I've said.

I cannot help what happened in game. Your reads were bad.

Can you talk me through this please Roxy? I didn't really think Jack's case was very good but you seem to think so. What was so great about it?

Nah
I really wanted to play this game bc of the theme plus i finally randed town on this site, but meh if I'm here tomorrow I will. His case is not all bs. Read it with an open mind.
Yea I think I'm done

[Roxy]

be back in 40 minutes, to explain myself i now trust alison's read as roxy is being scummy as fuck
the level 2 reason i switched to roxy is because of the 2 votes already on roxy, since it's looking like roxy/alison wagons today
the level 3 reason is alison's alignment will become more clear after roxy flips, and roxy probbaly flips scum

You cannot read anyone.

[staypositivefriend]

ftr im insecure about my vote on jack and im not sure that im going to hold there

i just prefer him over the baud/alison wagons atm

What wagon(s) would you prefer instead?

i perceive the pool of creature/splints/falcon/sig as being likely to contain at least 2 wolves

I would guess you are probably correct.

I would say of the people casing/pushing me, Rondo is almost certainly town; Seanzie feels genuine; Falcon seems extremely sus. Bereft feels pure and his casing of Falcon was solid work.

Splints/sig/wilgy are flying utr.

Roxy seems rand to me; I think the pushback on Alison is likely at least partially wolf-driven though that doesn't mean much for Roxy's alignment imo.

Pretty tough to yeet mafia in this game state with 5 living so if you want to move to another wagon please @me, i'm out of posts. Who else do you trust?

i townread mac, lucy, bereft, tutuu, you, and sig roughly in that order. i'm not willing to vote for alison today even though i'm not sure about her alignment

i had fingersplints as a light townlean but she just hopped on alison in a way that extremely rubs me the wrong way

rest of the game feels kind of inscrutable to me rn

[staypositivefriend]

also i know i said i thought sig could be mafia but i ISO'd him and changed my mind

[Roxy]

I'm town lucy now what?

Gl

[staypositivefriend]

i have to go for a bit but i'll try to be here for the EOD

at the risk of wolfsiding, i want to reiterate that killing or baub today both feels like bad options to me. we shouldn't. i'm probably going to vote between jack and creature but i will vote to save alison or baub if it ends up coming down to it

[DrWilgy]

Voted [VOTE: Baudib] aubergine to tie it up with Jack. Show me something amazing.

god you make my skin crawl wigly, get the fuck off baudib and alison

This post means nothing.

And no.

i am town, i strongly townread baudib, why do you wolfread them?

Their suspicion on me has been perpetual and non interactive. I've stated this and attempted to interact to find if it's genuine or not as seen below:

Wilgy is an obvwolf for asking pointless questions and adding zero original thought to the thread.

I'd like to point out that this one is just objectively wrong.

I came into the thread when the main discourse was Alison's claim on Kate, but provided data that was likely important to Creature/Seanzie and Lucy's alignment while also providing feedback on players that had a flow that put them a town lean.

Hell, alot of my time following was trying to figure out if creature was being disingenuous with the push back on me.

Where were you when that was going on other than saying I was a wolf with no reason?

Now I don't know if this is a W aligned push or related to something that isn't being stated from your perspective, but I'd like to be filled in to decide. I think there's a scenario where your sr makes sense but I haven't seen you present this yet. Hell I may have even missed it as I haven't done any in depth reading since yesterday.

This was never responded to in what I saw and seems pretty critical as Baudib seems content to say I'm a wolf without explanation that is sensible.

The "something that isn't being stated" was that I had TMI. I purposely gave out town leans easily to see how some players would respond. However, Baudib didn't bring up my tr on them once, but still insists that I'm wolf without reason or response.

Further this:

The same can be said to literally any wolfread rn. Gotta start somewhere.

No, that's not true. Lots of legit reasons to SR a player can & do emerge D1, but to SR a player just cuz you feel they have 0 wolves in a list of 3 is utter crap

Once again, no it isn’t. Pushing wrong world views is exactly what scum do.

@MacDougall

Baudib wasn't saying Wilgy had a wrong worldview he was managing the reads quality of the player he replied to. He made no comment on Wilgy.

Well, why don't we ask him? Cuz' given the context of that convo, coupled w/ the fact that Baudi has expressed Wilgy as a SR, then I think it's perfectly natural to assume that Baudi was saying that Wilgy had a bad world view because he's scum.


@Baudib1 what say you? Did you mean or do you believe that Wilgy has a wrong world view and that he's scum?

I dislike Wilgy for other reasons but I don’t have an opinion on his wolf leans list. But if someone lists wolf reads that you think are blatantly wrong, that is indeed a good reason to scumread them. This shouldn’t have to be explained frankly.

Doesn't feel genuine.

Also early on I did point out this here:

I don’t have any opinions on anyone’s reads lists.

That's concerning to the point of me doubting it's truth.

So I think my vote is fine based on the above. :Shrug:

[DrWilgy]

Voted [VOTE: Baudib] aubergine to tie it up with Jack. Show me something amazing.

god you make my skin crawl wigly, get the fuck off baudib and alison

This post means nothing.

And no.

[VOTE: wilgy] aubergine
I still want to be voting sean but I do not like your posts recently even if tutuu has been calling you town the reasons are weak

K. This post also means nothing.

Why do I keep having to ask people why. It makes no sense.