Game of Champions 2022 mafia win lol

[MacDougall]

SVS wagon breakdown

Sloonei ... I feel is likely detached town but he's certainly not out of his known wolfrange. His posts have all had good tone and he seems to lack wolf agenda.

Scotty ... I kinda townread for similar reasons. His play is maybe a bit more of the cavalier style than Sloonei's.

Golden. He's... such a good wolf I just can't shake the suspicion. His justifications for his reads and pushes all make sense they're just ... its like they are sensible but not compelling. Good excuses not actual reasons? And I feel that there's something to be said for the moves he's not making ... such as how he's treating Urist and Rondo. It feels like he's trying to thread a needle of powerwolfing without townsiding or something.

Alison ... like I have maybe a little paranoia here too but it's not as bad as it is towards Golden because her rationalisation feels more reasonable each time. The reasons she's giving for her town and mafia reads are consistently evidence based and in a way that's like "ohhh I see this is fair". Such as her Seanzie shield that if not for said effort providing reason would be driving more paranoia.

Sig and Rondo are like the two slots I just shrug and say "beats me they could flip both ways".

So all up I'm trying to say that this wagon has nearly 6 shrug slots on it. And the chances of those 6 being all town is close to nil to me.

I am head empty no thoughts on sloonei and golden, I am decidedly unsure on scotty but I'm enjoying having him around so that's happenstance luck for him, sig and rondo could flip either I agree, but I do think it's a twinge silly to tr alison cuz her reads are logic based (because when are they not?)

It's less that they are logic based and more that I find her evidence compelling. I find wolf Alison's justifications frequently don't pass my vibe checks like they are here.

I do also think it is... sometimes... compelling. But only sometimes and I think half of it is just choosing to pick a side of wifom for the sake of sounding like she is making a point. It sometimes passes the vibe check for me but not always and I am therefore tinfoiled

Haha kinda same.

[Porscha]

SVS wagon breakdown

Sloonei ... I feel is likely detached town but he's certainly not out of his known wolfrange. His posts have all had good tone and he seems to lack wolf agenda.

Scotty ... I kinda townread for similar reasons. His play is maybe a bit more of the cavalier style than Sloonei's.

Golden. He's... such a good wolf I just can't shake the suspicion. His justifications for his reads and pushes all make sense they're just ... its like they are sensible but not compelling. Good excuses not actual reasons? And I feel that there's something to be said for the moves he's not making ... such as how he's treating Urist and Rondo. It feels like he's trying to thread a needle of powerwolfing without townsiding or something.

Alison ... like I have maybe a little paranoia here too but it's not as bad as it is towards Golden because her rationalisation feels more reasonable each time. The reasons she's giving for her town and mafia reads are consistently evidence based and in a way that's like "ohhh I see this is fair". Such as her Seanzie shield that if not for said effort providing reason would be driving more paranoia.

Sig and Rondo are like the two slots I just shrug and say "beats me they could flip both ways".

So all up I'm trying to say that this wagon has nearly 6 shrug slots on it. And the chances of those 6 being all town is close to nil to me.

I am head empty no thoughts on sloonei and golden, I am decidedly unsure on scotty but I'm enjoying having him around so that's happenstance luck for him, sig and rondo could flip either I agree, but I do think it's a twinge silly to tr alison cuz her reads are logic based (because when are they not?)

It's less that they are logic based and more that I find her evidence compelling. I find wolf Alison's justifications frequently don't pass my vibe checks like they are here.

I do also think it is... sometimes... compelling. But only sometimes and I think half of it is just choosing to pick a side of wifom for the sake of sounding like she is making a point. It sometimes passes the vibe check for me but not always and I am therefore tinfoiled

Haha kinda same.

I would have not guessed that, you've seemed pretty pro alison today

[Alison]

@MacDougall You were the one who originally said you thought HK was town and wanted to take him out of the POE, right? What did you see in him?

he told someone to fuck off

Is that really a towntell for him?

[☆Princess Abigail☆]

idk if i 100% trust dizzy but yeah i do like that post

Hmm. I didn't like that post as much as all y'all so imma shut up lol

[MacDougall]

@MacDougall You were the one who originally said you thought HK was town and wanted to take him out of the POE, right? What did you see in him?

he told someone to fuck off

Is that really a towntell for him?

Honestly it kind of has been fairly reliable but I don't think it's enough for this particular game and it's use by date has expired.

[EnderWiggin]

SVS wagon breakdown

Sloonei ... I feel is likely detached town but he's certainly not out of his known wolfrange. His posts have all had good tone and he seems to lack wolf agenda.

Scotty ... I kinda townread for similar reasons. His play is maybe a bit more of the cavalier style than Sloonei's.

Golden. He's... such a good wolf I just can't shake the suspicion. His justifications for his reads and pushes all make sense they're just ... its like they are sensible but not compelling. Good excuses not actual reasons? And I feel that there's something to be said for the moves he's not making ... such as how he's treating Urist and Rondo. It feels like he's trying to thread a needle of powerwolfing without townsiding or something.

Alison ... like I have maybe a little paranoia here too but it's not as bad as it is towards Golden because her rationalisation feels more reasonable each time. The reasons she's giving for her town and mafia reads are consistently evidence based and in a way that's like "ohhh I see this is fair". Such as her Seanzie shield that if not for said effort providing reason would be driving more paranoia.

Sig and Rondo are like the two slots I just shrug and say "beats me they could flip both ways".

So all up I'm trying to say that this wagon has nearly 6 shrug slots on it. And the chances of those 6 being all town is close to nil to me.

I am head empty no thoughts on sloonei and golden, I am decidedly unsure on scotty but I'm enjoying having him around so that's happenstance luck for him, sig and rondo could flip either I agree, but I do think it's a twinge silly to tr alison cuz her reads are logic based (because when are they not?)

I wouldnt be surprised if Wilgy and Sloonie were w/w or t/t or even 3/3. Golden I am happy to just live and not end game just like me. Scotty is just doing scotty things and people are townreading him for it which is like "shrug ok" then why dont you town read Rondo for doing Rondo things? Its interesting. Sig I could kill but he has good energy at times. Alison I have conceded is probably town in the knowledge that Nutella/Mac/Golden/Alison can not ALL be wolves and if one of them is the others will find.

Bold of you to think I'm townreading Scotty.

[Michelle]

Seanzie is clearly a hit for ~threadstate~ reasons

My dear Nutella. Wonderful player that you are. If you believe this, help me FEEL that you do. I'm not feeling the fire behind this read. It just feels like very low effort shade, an attempt to persuade the inattentive masses to vote wantonly for a player without really offering any stakes. Do this for me and I may consider voting there.

His responses to me were all shit. His iso is vacant of anything good. He shot ilario which could easily be a wolf motivated shot and there's already a lot of town kp. He has not contributed to solving in earnest. Many have lightly agreed with my concern about him and yet nobody will wagon there. Why is it so hard to gain momentum on this push. Because he's actual mafia and people would rather go along with the big wagon on marmot who is just busy and can solve like a beast when they have time.

Have you asked me a single time why I'm busy?

Why are you busy?

Who are you? (this is a joke to myself because I honestly don't think I've seen a post from Michelle this game)

Because I got shiz to do.

Mac's second voter (where he votes, I vote when i notice the change)
It looked like you had something to tell us, but in fact you were just spamming

[MacDougall]

SVS wagon breakdown

Sloonei ... I feel is likely detached town but he's certainly not out of his known wolfrange. His posts have all had good tone and he seems to lack wolf agenda.

Scotty ... I kinda townread for similar reasons. His play is maybe a bit more of the cavalier style than Sloonei's.

Golden. He's... such a good wolf I just can't shake the suspicion. His justifications for his reads and pushes all make sense they're just ... its like they are sensible but not compelling. Good excuses not actual reasons? And I feel that there's something to be said for the moves he's not making ... such as how he's treating Urist and Rondo. It feels like he's trying to thread a needle of powerwolfing without townsiding or something.

Alison ... like I have maybe a little paranoia here too but it's not as bad as it is towards Golden because her rationalisation feels more reasonable each time. The reasons she's giving for her town and mafia reads are consistently evidence based and in a way that's like "ohhh I see this is fair". Such as her Seanzie shield that if not for said effort providing reason would be driving more paranoia.

Sig and Rondo are like the two slots I just shrug and say "beats me they could flip both ways".

So all up I'm trying to say that this wagon has nearly 6 shrug slots on it. And the chances of those 6 being all town is close to nil to me.

I am head empty no thoughts on sloonei and golden, I am decidedly unsure on scotty but I'm enjoying having him around so that's happenstance luck for him, sig and rondo could flip either I agree, but I do think it's a twinge silly to tr alison cuz her reads are logic based (because when are they not?)

It's less that they are logic based and more that I find her evidence compelling. I find wolf Alison's justifications frequently don't pass my vibe checks like they are here.

I do also think it is... sometimes... compelling. But only sometimes and I think half of it is just choosing to pick a side of wifom for the sake of sounding like she is making a point. It sometimes passes the vibe check for me but not always and I am therefore tinfoiled

Haha kinda same.

I would have not guessed that, you've seemed pretty pro alison today

It I always harbour a little doubt. I've just felt like being democratic and trying to focus people has required me to set aside most of my less probable feelings for the most part.

[Michelle]

Thanks for Mac's colour name I always know at the first glance where is his vote

[MacDougall]

I probably haven't been living up to my job title lately haha.

[Alison]

Just accept I am not going to late game and this is all fine. You are definitely transferring warmth. The best read on my slot is Ender and he cant even get me right so its ok

The phrasing here implies you think Ender is town. Have you elaborated on this?

Why this attitude when you shaded Mac for scumreading you like 5 posts ago?

[Golden]

Oh Anzac is the one you hosted Mac!

That was fun. A successful deepwolf, but only deep by the skin of my teeth. I had another teammate who was even deeper in that one.

[Michelle]

VC
Idk what changed since the last one , seems like Seanzie is winning the popularity contest but wait, there is SVS with another 5 votes wagon
I don't like Scotty's wagon
Ah, and 112 doesn't have a wagon anymore

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Imagine dying d1 lmao
Poll runs till Wed Feb 22, 2023 2:00 am
Please note that if you vote, your vote will be visible.

You may select 1 option


112
0
No votes
Voters: None
Alison
0
No votes
Voters: None
Creature
0
No votes
Voters: None
DrWilgy
0
No votes
Voters: None
Dyslexicon
0
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Voters: None
EnderWiggin
0
No votes
Voters: None
falcon45ca
0
No votes
Voters: None
Golden
2
6%
Voters: RondoDimBuckle, Guillotine
Guillotine
0
No votes
Voters: None
hollowkatt
0
No votes
Voters: None
Inawordyes
1
3%
Voters: Kate
Kate
0
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Voters: None
Lilypetal
0
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Voters: None
MacDougall
1
3%
Voters: Inawordyes
Marmot
1
3%
Voters: S~V~S
master radishes
2
6%
Voters: 112, Seanzie
Michelle
0
No votes
Voters: None
Neon
0
No votes
Voters: None
Nutella
0
No votes
Voters: None
Party Crasher
0
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Voters: None
Porscha
0
No votes
Voters: None
RondoDimBuckle
3
8%
Voters: EnderWiggin, falcon45ca, Urist
S~V~S
5
14%
Voters: Golden, Alison, sig, Sloonei, Scotty
Scotty
4
11%
Voters: hollowkatt, Creature, Marmot, Party Crasher
Seanzie
5
14%
Voters: nutella, Neon, Dyslexicon, Michelle, MacDougall
sig
1
3%
Voters: DrWilgy
Sloonei
0
No votes
Voters: None
Urist
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Voters: None
No vote/unvote
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Voters: None
Sleep
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No votes
Voters: None
Host/mod/spec/dead etc
11
31%
Voters: Dennis, JaggedJimmyJay, Spacedaisy, NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME, pyxxy, Lime Coke, sabie12, Syn, Sabiplz, lucy, Le petit poussin
Total votes: 36
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[EnderWiggin]

[VOTE: Seanzie] aubergine

I absolutely think Seanzie's wagon is pure so I'm going to poke a vote that way and see what happens.

[Michelle]

Imagine Cape90 just happens to be a lame town role.

I wanted to look at Le petit Iso and i found this.

Is this TMI or just a random thought?

[Porscha]

Like atm I'm probs extremely not interested in touching neon nutella or golden with my caressing vote

[Porscha]

Imagine Cape90 just happens to be a lame town role.

I wanted to look at Le petit Iso and i found this.

Is this TMI or just a random thought?

Random thought cuz even if creature had tmi that cape was town hed have no idea the power of his ability

[Michelle]

Tied wagons

Who was tied with Cape at Eod?

[Porscha]

Tied wagons

Who was tied with Cape at Eod?

Someone who got vig'd I think iawy

[Michelle]

Imagine Cape90 just happens to be a lame town role.

I wanted to look at Le petit Iso and i found this.

Is this TMI or just a random thought?

Random thought cuz even if creature had tmi that cape was town hed have no idea the power of his ability

He would have tbh, a VT/lame role plays different than a PR
Cape was all over the place and made big waves interpreted as wolfy agenda unfortunately.
No PR vibe

[Michelle]

Tied wagons

Who was tied with Cape at Eod?

Someone who got vig'd I think iawy

I bet this was discussed, t/t wagons, happy wolves, etc
Thanks!

[RondoDimBuckle]

Tied wagons

Who was tied with Cape at Eod?

Not sure, I just saw I could tie wagons and I did for waganomics it should be in the votes at EOD

Just accept I am not going to late game and this is all fine. You are definitely transferring warmth. The best read on my slot is Ender and he cant even get me right so its ok

The phrasing here implies you think Ender is town. Have you elaborated on this?

Why this attitude when you shaded Mac for scumreading you like 5 posts ago?

already have in my ISO, but to recap, Ender is either super duper town because he thinks he can catch me as wolf and that investment only comes from Ender town. OR he is a lost wolf going late so I wouldnt really care about him till Fx

I dont know which one you are specifically talking about with Mac so I wont speak to it.

[Porscha]

Imagine Cape90 just happens to be a lame town role.

I wanted to look at Le petit Iso and i found this.

Is this TMI or just a random thought?

Random thought cuz even if creature had tmi that cape was town hed have no idea the power of his ability

He would have tbh, a VT/lame role plays different than a PR
Cape was all over the place and made big waves interpreted as wolfy agenda unfortunately.
No PR vibe

I think that is only a thought if you know hes town then right lol
Like unless you were one of the few people who thought cape was town then you were easily convinced he had a "wolfy agenda" or just went with it cuz you're a wolf who is down for the easy ML. It was a weak and lazy push that he lost because he couldnt direct a directionless thread onto someone else, not because he had a wolfy agenda

[RondoDimBuckle]

Unfortunately I was phone posting EOD but I am pretty sure other people took the vote count at times

[RondoDimBuckle]

[VOTE: Creature ] aubergine Hmmm

[Porscha]

Imagine Cape90 just happens to be a lame town role.

I wanted to look at Le petit Iso and i found this.

Is this TMI or just a random thought?

Random thought cuz even if creature had tmi that cape was town hed have no idea the power of his ability

He would have tbh, a VT/lame role plays different than a PR
Cape was all over the place and made big waves interpreted as wolfy agenda unfortunately.
No PR vibe

I think that is only a thought if you know hes town then right lol
Like unless you were one of the few people who thought cape was town then you were easily convinced he had a "wolfy agenda" or just went with it cuz you're a wolf who is down for the easy ML. It was a weak and lazy push that he lost because he couldnt direct a directionless thread onto someone else, not because he had a wolfy agenda

Sorry just to clarify I do not literally mean "you" as in "michelle", just anyone

[Michelle]

Tied wagons

Who was tied with Cape at Eod?

Not sure, I just saw I could tie wagons and I did for waganomics it should be in the votes at EOD

Just accept I am not going to late game and this is all fine. You are definitely transferring warmth. The best read on my slot is Ender and he cant even get me right so its ok

The phrasing here implies you think Ender is town. Have you elaborated on this?

Why this attitude when you shaded Mac for scumreading you like 5 posts ago?

already have in my ISO, but to recap, Ender is either super duper town because he thinks he can catch me as wolf and that investment only comes from Ender town. OR he is a lost wolf going late so I wouldnt really care about him till Fx

I dont know which one you are specifically talking about with Mac so I wont speak to it.

Thanks for the answer, i don't have time to check but i get the point
Ender is in my top town with Mac with 99% confidence.
Every time when i read their posts i like their vibes and presence.

[Michelle]

Got it Porscha, tnx

[Porscha]

I also tr ender

[MacDougall]

There are strange parallels between Ender/Rondo and Urist/Golden.

Both have one person suspecting the other and being largely ignored.

Both main pushers are not pursuing their read in a way that feels like it's genuinely an attempt to kill the other but both are saying things that sound like the other is their top scum.

The ignoring party in both cases have refrained from Omgus or even really exhibiting frustration towards said person while being visibly frustrated and irritated by other people when they suspected them.

[Michelle]

Golden could go either way I can't keep track of him to save my life

Kate might be town but she has been very centered on her towniness rather than solving, something of note but I don't think it's too alignment indicative

Party Crasher, I've got no clue on but I rolled my eyes and thought "lame" when I read it was 6 people, for some reason. Couldn't tell ya why

Falcon could be bad but also I think that like every D1 so I'm leaving him alone (and on that topic I won't vote Wilgy today for the same reason)

Lucy is doing her thing where she just says "player x town" so like maybe town

Urist could be bad, that's where my vote would be if I wanted to vote but I don't

Sabi and I are townreading each other, which I hate to be THAT guy but it gives me a bad feeling about them. I will ignore that for now though

Alison is doing that thing where she has the largest ego in the world so I guess maybe town but like maybe drop it back a notch

No one else comes to mind immediately, I'm off to bed buh bye

@Dennis j never townread you lol

Good vibes from Dennis in the quoted post

I don't think there's a single read he gave in that post that doesn't contain the word "but". It's hedgey AF

I had this post in a tab because it had an opposed take than mine, obviously i didn't have time to post it back then

What everyone thinks about falcon?

[MacDougall]

I conclude that neither dynamic is likely to be t/t or w/w.

[MacDougall]

Golden could go either way I can't keep track of him to save my life

Kate might be town but she has been very centered on her towniness rather than solving, something of note but I don't think it's too alignment indicative

Party Crasher, I've got no clue on but I rolled my eyes and thought "lame" when I read it was 6 people, for some reason. Couldn't tell ya why

Falcon could be bad but also I think that like every D1 so I'm leaving him alone (and on that topic I won't vote Wilgy today for the same reason)

Lucy is doing her thing where she just says "player x town" so like maybe town

Urist could be bad, that's where my vote would be if I wanted to vote but I don't

Sabi and I are townreading each other, which I hate to be THAT guy but it gives me a bad feeling about them. I will ignore that for now though

Alison is doing that thing where she has the largest ego in the world so I guess maybe town but like maybe drop it back a notch

No one else comes to mind immediately, I'm off to bed buh bye

@Dennis j never townread you lol

Good vibes from Dennis in the quoted post

I don't think there's a single read he gave in that post that doesn't contain the word "but". It's hedgey AF

I had this post in a tab because it had an opposed take than mine, obviously i didn't have time to post it back then

What everyone thinks about falcon?

He's kinda low flying but when isn't he? He has some of the best looks from Sabi interactions. He pushed her in a believable way when nobody else really was.

[RondoDimBuckle]

There are strange parallels between Ender/Rondo and Urist/Golden.

Both have one person suspecting the other and being largely ignored.

Both main pushers are not pursuing their read in a way that feels like it's genuinely an attempt to kill the other but both are saying things that sound like the other is their top scum.

The ignoring party in both cases have refrained from Omgus or even really exhibiting frustration towards said person while being visibly frustrated and irritated by other people when they suspected them.

I mean I did some cheeky OMOGUS in the beginning but I guess its like if Sabi was going hard at you. You would chuckle and move on

[MacDougall]

Thing is I kinda have a pretty solid read on Urist and feel like he's squarely in his town Urist meta. Maybe I'm underestimating his scum game. It's plausible. I might review him a bit closer.

I think Ender is much more towny than Rondo. I think Rondo knows it too. I just kinda ... don't think Rondo is playing like a wolf. Or a town. His play really does give 3p/lost wolf vibes.

[RondoDimBuckle]

I conclude that neither dynamic is likely to be t/t or w/w.

now this is some bullshit that needs to go away. I am almost 100% certain barring Ender being late wolf that we are t/t Thats why I am ignoring him. Bad logic bad Mac

[Michelle]

@Alison if cape v, shoot scotty, if cape w, shoot radish?

cape v shoot golden imo

[RondoDimBuckle]

Thing is I kinda have a pretty solid read on Urist and feel like he's squarely in his town Urist meta. Maybe I'm underestimating his scum game. It's plausible. I might review him a bit closer.

I think Ender is much more towny than Rondo. I think Rondo knows it too. I just kinda ... don't think Rondo is playing like a wolf. Or a town. His play really does give 3p/lost wolf vibes.

You said this in games where there werent any 3p at all. So maybe I am just doing my thing

[MacDougall]

There are strange parallels between Ender/Rondo and Urist/Golden.

Both have one person suspecting the other and being largely ignored.

Both main pushers are not pursuing their read in a way that feels like it's genuinely an attempt to kill the other but both are saying things that sound like the other is their top scum.

The ignoring party in both cases have refrained from Omgus or even really exhibiting frustration towards said person while being visibly frustrated and irritated by other people when they suspected them.

I mean I did some cheeky OMOGUS in the beginning but I guess its like if Sabi was going hard at you. You would chuckle and move on

That is not what would happen if Sabi went hard at me lol. Demonstrably so.

And it's certainly not a reasonable allusion to make given Ender and you know each other better than anyone else in the game knows either of you. You hand waving away someone you know as well as Ender pushing you makes zero sense to be coming from town you. I would expect town Rondo to view it as so egregious to be outing.

[Michelle]

Golden could go either way I can't keep track of him to save my life

Kate might be town but she has been very centered on her towniness rather than solving, something of note but I don't think it's too alignment indicative

Party Crasher, I've got no clue on but I rolled my eyes and thought "lame" when I read it was 6 people, for some reason. Couldn't tell ya why

Falcon could be bad but also I think that like every D1 so I'm leaving him alone (and on that topic I won't vote Wilgy today for the same reason)

Lucy is doing her thing where she just says "player x town" so like maybe town

Urist could be bad, that's where my vote would be if I wanted to vote but I don't

Sabi and I are townreading each other, which I hate to be THAT guy but it gives me a bad feeling about them. I will ignore that for now though

Alison is doing that thing where she has the largest ego in the world so I guess maybe town but like maybe drop it back a notch

No one else comes to mind immediately, I'm off to bed buh bye

@Dennis j never townread you lol

Good vibes from Dennis in the quoted post

I don't think there's a single read he gave in that post that doesn't contain the word "but". It's hedgey AF

I had this post in a tab because it had an opposed take than mine, obviously i didn't have time to post it back then

What everyone thinks about falcon?

He's kinda low flying but when isn't he? He has some of the best looks from Sabi interactions. He pushed her in a believable way when nobody else really was.

Ok, that's enough for now

[MacDougall]

I conclude that neither dynamic is likely to be t/t or w/w.

now this is some bullshit that needs to go away. I am almost 100% certain barring Ender being late wolf that we are t/t Thats why I am ignoring him. Bad logic bad Mac

See how quick you are to weathervane back to sussing me. Yet Ender is being treated like a lock town. Make me understand why are you being so generous towards him?

[MacDougall]

Thing is I kinda have a pretty solid read on Urist and feel like he's squarely in his town Urist meta. Maybe I'm underestimating his scum game. It's plausible. I might review him a bit closer.

I think Ender is much more towny than Rondo. I think Rondo knows it too. I just kinda ... don't think Rondo is playing like a wolf. Or a town. His play really does give 3p/lost wolf vibes.

You said this in games where there werent any 3p at all. So maybe I am just doing my thing

I'm quite sure I've actually correctly read you as a 3p before at least once which is not an easy read to make. I don't think me incorrectly reading you as a 3p one time is a reasonable reason for me to ignore the logic I'm following in this case.

Wolf you AND town you would probably BOTH be tilted and omgussing Ender or at least bothered and confused and flip flopping on him. Calm adamance he is just wrong town is just such a surprising response from you. Do you have mech that he is town or something?

[Party Crasher]

Golden remember I just read Anzac mafia ISOs and reconsider how you're engaging with me knowing that please. Any attempt to persuade or manipulate me directly right now is going to make this worse. Ignore my suspicion and play mafia. I'm not engaging you directly on the subject of you, it only benefits wolf you for that to occur. Doesn't benefit town you, me or anyone else in the game. So stop doing it. Play mafia and talk to me about your reads and stuff, don't tell me I'm tinfoiling and fuck off with self meta.

Don't even remember what that game is.

And I need to say this to you the same way I say it to anyone else.

I do not... I really do not... take any influence from others opinions are of me self metaing. It benefits town me permanently... every time I'm town. People remember this shit. I do it for a reason. I guard my obvitown meta jealously so I can pull it out when I need to and people stand up and listen. It's not about this game, it's about next game, and the one after that, and the one after that. I need this so that when I am busy and stressed I can pull the card out and play the game with less suspicion coming my way.

[MacDougall]

Ender please chime in and explain how you feel about this and Rondo in general. How do you reconcile him as mafia still if he is unwaveringly townreading you? What is the mafia agenda in doing this?

[EnderWiggin]

There are strange parallels between Ender/Rondo and Urist/Golden.

Both have one person suspecting the other and being largely ignored.

Both main pushers are not pursuing their read in a way that feels like it's genuinely an attempt to kill the other but both are saying things that sound like the other is their top scum.

The ignoring party in both cases have refrained from Omgus or even really exhibiting frustration towards said person while being visibly frustrated and irritated by other people when they suspected them.

You REALLY think I haven't been trying to kill Rondo?

I am the reason Rondo was in contention and have been making points for Rondo being wolf like all day lmao

[EnderWiggin]

Golden could go either way I can't keep track of him to save my life

Kate might be town but she has been very centered on her towniness rather than solving, something of note but I don't think it's too alignment indicative

Party Crasher, I've got no clue on but I rolled my eyes and thought "lame" when I read it was 6 people, for some reason. Couldn't tell ya why

Falcon could be bad but also I think that like every D1 so I'm leaving him alone (and on that topic I won't vote Wilgy today for the same reason)

Lucy is doing her thing where she just says "player x town" so like maybe town

Urist could be bad, that's where my vote would be if I wanted to vote but I don't

Sabi and I are townreading each other, which I hate to be THAT guy but it gives me a bad feeling about them. I will ignore that for now though

Alison is doing that thing where she has the largest ego in the world so I guess maybe town but like maybe drop it back a notch

No one else comes to mind immediately, I'm off to bed buh bye

@Dennis j never townread you lol

Good vibes from Dennis in the quoted post

I don't think there's a single read he gave in that post that doesn't contain the word "but". It's hedgey AF

I had this post in a tab because it had an opposed take than mine, obviously i didn't have time to post it back then

What everyone thinks about falcon?

Town. Sabi interactions is kinda clearing imo

[S~V~S]

I am seeing alot of this in my read back; what is a "lost wolf"?

I would guess solo baddie waiting to be recruited by a bad team?

[EnderWiggin]

Thing is I kinda have a pretty solid read on Urist and feel like he's squarely in his town Urist meta. Maybe I'm underestimating his scum game. It's plausible. I might review him a bit closer.

I think Ender is much more towny than Rondo. I think Rondo knows it too. I just kinda ... don't think Rondo is playing like a wolf. Or a town. His play really does give 3p/lost wolf vibes.

I think he's lost wolf so this checks out.

[MacDougall]

There are strange parallels between Ender/Rondo and Urist/Golden.

Both have one person suspecting the other and being largely ignored.

Both main pushers are not pursuing their read in a way that feels like it's genuinely an attempt to kill the other but both are saying things that sound like the other is their top scum.

The ignoring party in both cases have refrained from Omgus or even really exhibiting frustration towards said person while being visibly frustrated and irritated by other people when they suspected them.

You REALLY think I haven't been trying to kill Rondo?

I am the reason Rondo was in contention and have been making points for Rondo being wolf like all day lmao

Eh that's fair. I was probably trying to force my weird allegory and overlooked that a bit. But I haven't really personally felt like you've made much in terms of appeals to others.

[MacDougall]

I am seeing alot of this in my read back; what is a "lost wolf"?

I would guess solo baddie waiting to be recruited by a bad team?

Yes a lost wolf is a wolf that is outside wolf chat that generally knows the wolf team but they don't know they do. It's up to the mod whether the wolf "pack" know there is one.

A recluse is a similar role where the pack know who they are and they don't know the identity of the team.