Scooby Doo: Monster Collective (GAME OVER- MAFIA WIN)

[DrWilgy]

Post Cap

Kill me if you want it's probably good for thread health to remove me from this game at this point. Sorry for ruining the game vibe and stuff.

Don't kill Kate I have mech. It could be wrong but I at least want a chance to get answers before she dies.

Kill Dennis and Wilgy they are woofin.

Top town is like HK Creature Rondo... probably Sig to. Think that's my town core.

Don't wanna kill LPP or Kate today.

Peace.

@Kate you need to answer this. Having you both solved would be huge for this game

Killing neon would be bad and dumb.

Killing me, would also be bad.

Hk and rondo are civ.

I don't know about wilgy. He's null, why is that?
Come play @DrWilgy.

You know, I'd really like to not be outed anymore than I am. I'm not an info dump type player.

So do you believe that the Chihiro voters were pure and there were no wolves there? Or is there one in Falcon/Dennis?

[Scrappy Doo]

wigly arrived at the kate/dennis solve, i will feed him grapes while he lays down because god he’s town and townsiding

[Scrappy Doo]

@Kate

you up to kill Lucy/HK?

I've never been up to kill hk. But Lucy, yes. My vote is not moving. There are others who need to go, but today my vote is planted where it is.

out your mech on me uwu

[DaughterOfOmega]

Also Wigly's thoughts just aren't consistent. If he was seriously thinking I was the best yeet, he'd spend time reading my thoughts and would compare my reads to his.

He has Kate and HK as "tolerable" options, but I came into the day pushing these two. If he and I really see the game so similarly, he'd be putting a lot more thought into yeeting me or not.

Instead of this, he hasn't actually read my posts and analyzed my thoughts, he just sees me as a town who can die.

[Kate]

Just popping in really quick between work calls.

@Neon blink twice if Lucy kidnapped you or if you’ve been abducted by aliens

Seriously though glad to see for the time being neon has reached the same conclusion that myself and Mac did regarding the slot. I think we can get a lot more done without having two pro towny people go at it.

I honestly think we might have a wagon between 3 mafias right now, but just to see what happens I’ll tie it with a vote to Dennis.

I will say overall right now I like that he’s posting period compared with Wilgy, but I need to do a reread of said posts.

I wish Kate had less content based around Lucy and more around other stuff but she’s still in the tunnel.

LPP is only mafia if Dennis/Kate are civ if one or both are mafia (I don’t really see a world where one is mafia and not the other) he’s 100% cleared in my mind. Right now he’s like 80% cleared and solid town core.

@DaughterOfOmega what’s the deal with HK?

Sig, please give me a specific topic you'd like me to speak to. Specifically.

[DrWilgy]

An explanation of biases at this point:
I very much think DoO is the best yeet as it stands.

Sig OR Kate are tolerable options as well. I do not know why but I think I would like to flip Sig in spite of the wolfweight pointing that Kate would be the better flip. Perhaps Sig's new gutsto when it comes to mafia has me wavering at a gut fear read.

HK is a tolerable option. I do think that if a wolf was found on Chihiro, HK has the greater of wolfweights.

It is VERY hard for me to see a world where this is wolf Falcon. Again, as I think I've expressed the past 3 games. Town Falcon is a very easy read as wolf Falcon is just miserable doing so. That is not happening this game.

This is a post made by someone who has TMI, why?

Because not even a town could be this wrong

Goddamn, Sig and DOO both did it. We wildin.

How is it in town mindset to interact with an 'explanation of biases' as opposed to 'a wall of actual weighted vca' from which those biases were affected and evaluated?

[DaughterOfOmega]

Im at the spot where people should either be going after Kate/Dennis or Lucy/Hk, maybe even Wigly

[Le petit poussin]

According to hosts by ability did not fail, so neon should have recieved something.

I Targeted Kate and the info was given to neon, but neon said nothing and kate is hard defending neon.

Which is why I am lowkey suspect of them both.

I literally have a role that proves me but because neon decided not to out the info they recieved, I don't have any proof of that.

Isn't it just far more likely that she didn't want to out a civ? Because if the info was about me, that's what she got.

@DaughterOfOmega Neon is civ. I'd bet the game on it, if that helps at all.

OK Kate, you will have to post more about this too considering Neon post capped themselves.

in which world a villager doesn't want to out a green peek on a slot that gets heat (D2, already down 2 townies?)

Now Chihiro flipped villager too, you have to speak tbh.

What do you want me to explain that isn't completely obvious at this point? Youre forcing town info into the thread for mafia to read.

u know when townies keep being flipped, you have to be info dumping itt to actually have a solid POE. We don't care if some townies are going to die in the process (I mean, wolves will kill townies or lucy since she counts toward parity), we do care about having a solid POE. So if your info can avoid a clear townie to get within said POE, it's for the best really. Now if it isn't happening, fine. But you can't say nothing and then come back l8r with "oh no fools, I knew they were town and u chopped them" kindof posts.

[Kate]

and to be perfectly clear, I do think lucy is solving rn and not in my immediate POE.

Yea agreed with this.

My view of Lucy has always been if she’s solving and posting let her be, don’t trust her reads as being like 100% right or maybe even genuine but given that she came to the same conclusion of at least a portion of town on Dennis/Kate that means she’s being genuine my mind.

Also look if Dennis or Kate is voted off today and they flip mafia she’s solidly town sided.

I’ll also say that I’m very concerned that Kate is so solidly focused on Lucy, after she (Kate) said Dennis was mafia in our chat. And Lucy is on Dennis?

That would suggest that I got something that changed my opinion on what is more important. , wouldn't it?

[DrWilgy]

Also Wigly's thoughts just aren't consistent. If he was seriously thinking I was the best yeet, he'd spend time reading my thoughts and would compare my reads to his.

He has Kate and HK as "tolerable" options, but I came into the day pushing these two. If he and I really see the game so similarly, he'd be putting a lot more thought into yeeting me or not.

Instead of this, he hasn't actually read my posts and analyzed my thoughts, he just sees me as a town who can die.

Doo, I've already advised that I'm not doing this. I don't know your takes or your perspectives.

I desired to do VCA and solve from there.

Next I get to ctrl f on my name and see people's reason's and logic around me intentionally slanking as that sounds fun and informative.

[Kate]

I’ll also say that I’m very concerned that Kate is so solidly focused on Lucy, after she (Kate) said Dennis was mafia in our chat. And Lucy is on Dennis?

another thing Kate needs to articulate itt lmao. Sorry Kate, but u have some homeworks to do!

I'm not putting anymore info in the thread right now.

[DaughterOfOmega]

Also Wigly's thoughts just aren't consistent. If he was seriously thinking I was the best yeet, he'd spend time reading my thoughts and would compare my reads to his.

He has Kate and HK as "tolerable" options, but I came into the day pushing these two. If he and I really see the game so similarly, he'd be putting a lot more thought into yeeting me or not.

Instead of this, he hasn't actually read my posts and analyzed my thoughts, he just sees me as a town who can die.

Doo, I've already advised that I'm not doing this. I don't know your takes or your perspectives.

I desired to do VCA and solve from there.

Next I get to ctrl f on my name and see people's reason's and logic around me intentionally slanking as that sounds fun and informative.

Wigly said "How is it in town mindset to interact with an 'explanation of biases' as opposed to 'a wall of actual weighted vca' from which those biases were affected and evaluated?"

Then wigly says ""Doo, I've already advised that I'm not doing this. I don't know your takes or your perspectives."

HOW IS IT TOWN MINDEST TO IGNORE ALL TAKES AND PERSPECTIVES

[Scrappy Doo]

that means dennis isn’t cleared and there’s no mech on me

1) kates softed mech that should kill me
2) kates also softed mech that should keep dennis from dying

neither of these are coherent with the other even if she got the former from someone else like she claims because in the thread i don’t have many if any detractors who think i’m scum

tldr she’s lying or letting us waste time on wagons she knows is town

[DaughterOfOmega]

Some of yall are weird mafia players

[DaughterOfOmega]

that means dennis isn’t cleared and there’s no mech on me

1) kates softed mech that should kill me
2) kates also softed mech that should keep dennis from dying

neither of these are coherent with the other even if she got the former from someone else like she claims because in the thread i don’t have many if any detractors who think i’m scum

tldr she’s lying or letting us waste time on wagons she knows is town

Kate softed the mech I gave her.

Although the mech has no alignment information about you.

[DrWilgy]

This one is separate as personal knowledge results in this potentially being less valid to external persons. A review of early d3 votes and only functions in comparison to the previous vote patterns:

Dennis 3
Voters: lucy, Neon, Scrappy Doo
DrWilgy 4
Voters: hollowkatt, Creature, falcon45ca, Le petit poussin
Kate 3
Voters: sig, RondoDimBuckle, Fish
lucy 2
Voters: Dennis, Kate

HK, Creature, Falcon and LPP on me most likely points to the wolf on my wagon being HK just based on the previous observations. This does add a badvote weight to LPP, Creature and Falcon, HOWEVER As how I've been playing, I don't believe that badvote weight should be very heavy without other observations on how these players actually interacted with the fruit I've plated for them.

Dennis being at three with bad voter Lucy/Neon and null Scrappy does not fill me with confidence. If the argument that I'm at least now seeing from DoO/Lucy are the reason for this, why not just vote Kate?

Kate wagon. Sig being on here makes me wonder if they've noticed the tension between them and Kate re Seanzie. Odd that Kate isn't on Sig in return. Kate's wagon is much more null in weight than Dennis.

Lucy wagon. Dennis has slightly towny weight, Kate has slightly wolfy weight. Again more votes on the 3p serving as a neutral vote bed.

[Scrappy Doo]

kate’s positions off mech aren’t logical because her claims are inconsistent with themselves and come off as tmi due to the clarity in which she’s reading the gamestate while doing 0 hunting for wolves

[Scrappy Doo]

that means dennis isn’t cleared and there’s no mech on me

1) kates softed mech that should kill me
2) kates also softed mech that should keep dennis from dying

neither of these are coherent with the other even if she got the former from someone else like she claims because in the thread i don’t have many if any detractors who think i’m scum

tldr she’s lying or letting us waste time on wagons she knows is town

Kate softed the mech I gave her.

Although the mech has no alignment information about you.

what does it give her

[DaughterOfOmega]

that means dennis isn’t cleared and there’s no mech on me

1) kates softed mech that should kill me
2) kates also softed mech that should keep dennis from dying

neither of these are coherent with the other even if she got the former from someone else like she claims because in the thread i don’t have many if any detractors who think i’m scum

tldr she’s lying or letting us waste time on wagons she knows is town

Kate softed the mech I gave her.

Although the mech has no alignment information about you.

what does it give her

My role puts a bounty on someone of my choice, if kate gets you killed she is rewarded

[DaughterOfOmega]

I need to jog on my treadmill while playing Fire Emblem engage soon

[Scrappy Doo]

that means dennis isn’t cleared and there’s no mech on me

1) kates softed mech that should kill me
2) kates also softed mech that should keep dennis from dying

neither of these are coherent with the other even if she got the former from someone else like she claims because in the thread i don’t have many if any detractors who think i’m scum

tldr she’s lying or letting us waste time on wagons she knows is town

Kate softed the mech I gave her.

Although the mech has no alignment information about you.

what does it give her

My role puts a bounty on someone of my choice, if kate gets you killed she is rewarded

LMAOOOOO NICE MECH @Kate no wonder u wouldn’t claim

[Kate]

Post Cap

Kill me if you want it's probably good for thread health to remove me from this game at this point. Sorry for ruining the game vibe and stuff.

Don't kill Kate I have mech. It could be wrong but I at least want a chance to get answers before she dies.

Kill Dennis and Wilgy they are woofin.

Top town is like HK Creature Rondo... probably Sig to. Think that's my town core.

Don't wanna kill LPP or Kate today.

Peace.

@Kate you need to answer this. Having you both solved would be huge for this game

Killing neon would be bad and dumb.

Killing me, would also be bad.

Hk and rondo are civ.

I don't know about wilgy. He's null, why is that?
Come play @DrWilgy.

You know, I'd really like to not be outed anymore than I am. I'm not an info dump type player.

So do you believe that the Chihiro voters were pure and there were no wolves there? Or is there one in Falcon/Dennis?

I really wish you guys would relax and be patient with the info. But yes there is one.

[Scrappy Doo]

kate is literally not townsiding

[DrWilgy]

Also Wigly's thoughts just aren't consistent. If he was seriously thinking I was the best yeet, he'd spend time reading my thoughts and would compare my reads to his.

He has Kate and HK as "tolerable" options, but I came into the day pushing these two. If he and I really see the game so similarly, he'd be putting a lot more thought into yeeting me or not.

Instead of this, he hasn't actually read my posts and analyzed my thoughts, he just sees me as a town who can die.

Doo, I've already advised that I'm not doing this. I don't know your takes or your perspectives.

I desired to do VCA and solve from there.

Next I get to ctrl f on my name and see people's reason's and logic around me intentionally slanking as that sounds fun and informative.

Wigly said "How is it in town mindset to interact with an 'explanation of biases' as opposed to 'a wall of actual weighted vca' from which those biases were affected and evaluated?"

Then wigly says ""Doo, I've already advised that I'm not doing this. I don't know your takes or your perspectives."

HOW IS IT TOWN MINDEST TO IGNORE ALL TAKES AND PERSPECTIVES

Time effectivity.

The strict contrary behavior was displayed in that two pieces of data were given back to back and you chose to focus on one over the other.

Do not get me wrong my friend, bias and understanding of perspectives at least SHOULD occur even in me, it just hasn't happened yet nor am I able to go out of my way for it. Analyzing strictly based on vote count and weighing information based on how players have attempted to interact with me in spite of my slank I think are the best ways for me to find a footing in this game and also approach the game from a strict form of logos.

[Kate]

wigly arrived at the kate/dennis solve, i will feed him grapes while he lays down because god he’s town and townsiding

Why don't you let go of your ego for 5 friggin seconds and read. Not tunnel not confbias just READ.

[Scrappy Doo]

wigly arrived at the kate/dennis solve, i will feed him grapes while he lays down because god he’s town and townsiding

Why don't you let go of your ego for 5 friggin seconds and read. Not tunnel not confbias just READ.

“Conclusion:
Solving between the Chihiro wagon and the Seanzie wagon I think would be in our best interest. I do not think, based on votes, that it is not in the realm of reason to suspect 1 in Kate/Sig and 1 in Dennis/HK.”

seems like a dennis/kate solve and i can hard defend hk/sig successfully and wolf case you two v easily

[DaughterOfOmega]

Also Wigly's thoughts just aren't consistent. If he was seriously thinking I was the best yeet, he'd spend time reading my thoughts and would compare my reads to his.

He has Kate and HK as "tolerable" options, but I came into the day pushing these two. If he and I really see the game so similarly, he'd be putting a lot more thought into yeeting me or not.

Instead of this, he hasn't actually read my posts and analyzed my thoughts, he just sees me as a town who can die.

Doo, I've already advised that I'm not doing this. I don't know your takes or your perspectives.

I desired to do VCA and solve from there.

Next I get to ctrl f on my name and see people's reason's and logic around me intentionally slanking as that sounds fun and informative.

Wigly said "How is it in town mindset to interact with an 'explanation of biases' as opposed to 'a wall of actual weighted vca' from which those biases were affected and evaluated?"

Then wigly says ""Doo, I've already advised that I'm not doing this. I don't know your takes or your perspectives."

HOW IS IT TOWN MINDEST TO IGNORE ALL TAKES AND PERSPECTIVES

Time effectivity.

The strict contrary behavior was displayed in that two pieces of data were given back to back and you chose to focus on one over the other.

Do not get me wrong my friend, bias and understanding of perspectives at least SHOULD occur even in me, it just hasn't happened yet nor am I able to go out of my way for it. Analyzing strictly based on vote count and weighing information based on how players have attempted to interact with me in spite of my slank I think are the best ways for me to find a footing in this game and also approach the game from a strict form of logos.

I'm an old school player, the belief I have is that those people who focus on votes/mechs over interacting and analyzing thoughts are just mafia.

[Kate]

that means dennis isn’t cleared and there’s no mech on me

1) kates softed mech that should kill me
2) kates also softed mech that should keep dennis from dying

neither of these are coherent with the other even if she got the former from someone else like she claims because in the thread i don’t have many if any detractors who think i’m scum

tldr she’s lying or letting us waste time on wagons she knows is town

Wrong, on both counts, yet again.

[DaughterOfOmega]

Im gone for a couple hours, see yall

[sig]

@DaughterOfOmega is this the same as the power you gave creature and why did you pick Kate?

[DaughterOfOmega]

@DaughterOfOmega is this the same as the power you gave creature and why did you pick Kate?

It's similar. Different rewards

[DaughterOfOmega]

I picked Kate because at night I believed Lucy/Kat were different alignments

[Scrappy Doo]

I picked Kate because at night I believed Lucy/Kat were different alignments

3p/mafia yes

[Kate]

that means dennis isn’t cleared and there’s no mech on me

1) kates softed mech that should kill me
2) kates also softed mech that should keep dennis from dying

neither of these are coherent with the other even if she got the former from someone else like she claims because in the thread i don’t have many if any detractors who think i’m scum

tldr she’s lying or letting us waste time on wagons she knows is town

Kate softed the mech I gave her.

Although the mech has no alignment information about you.

what does it give her

My role puts a bounty on someone of my choice, if kate gets you killed she is rewarded

THIS is what that meant lol. I asked the host to clarify but he would not. Omg.

Ok then, if that's the case. Vote dennis. He's a hit.

Jfc maybe be a little clearer doom.

[Kate]

[VOTE: dennis] aubergine

[DrWilgy]

Also Wigly's thoughts just aren't consistent. If he was seriously thinking I was the best yeet, he'd spend time reading my thoughts and would compare my reads to his.

He has Kate and HK as "tolerable" options, but I came into the day pushing these two. If he and I really see the game so similarly, he'd be putting a lot more thought into yeeting me or not.

Instead of this, he hasn't actually read my posts and analyzed my thoughts, he just sees me as a town who can die.

Doo, I've already advised that I'm not doing this. I don't know your takes or your perspectives.

I desired to do VCA and solve from there.

Next I get to ctrl f on my name and see people's reason's and logic around me intentionally slanking as that sounds fun and informative.

Wigly said "How is it in town mindset to interact with an 'explanation of biases' as opposed to 'a wall of actual weighted vca' from which those biases were affected and evaluated?"

Then wigly says ""Doo, I've already advised that I'm not doing this. I don't know your takes or your perspectives."

HOW IS IT TOWN MINDEST TO IGNORE ALL TAKES AND PERSPECTIVES

Time effectivity.

The strict contrary behavior was displayed in that two pieces of data were given back to back and you chose to focus on one over the other.

Do not get me wrong my friend, bias and understanding of perspectives at least SHOULD occur even in me, it just hasn't happened yet nor am I able to go out of my way for it. Analyzing strictly based on vote count and weighing information based on how players have attempted to interact with me in spite of my slank I think are the best ways for me to find a footing in this game and also approach the game from a strict form of logos.

I'm an old school player, the belief I have is that those people who focus on votes/mechs over interacting and analyzing thoughts are just mafia.

I'm of the argument that town loses when they don't focus on votes. I believe the recent GoC highlighted this as there were some associations that could've been found in review of the votes to lead town to victory, however this wasn't done.

This game at least to me and my desire to use and prove VCA can win games for town I think are being reflected and were impacted BY this occurrence in the GoC.

[Scrappy Doo]

that means dennis isn’t cleared and there’s no mech on me

1) kates softed mech that should kill me
2) kates also softed mech that should keep dennis from dying

neither of these are coherent with the other even if she got the former from someone else like she claims because in the thread i don’t have many if any detractors who think i’m scum

tldr she’s lying or letting us waste time on wagons she knows is town

Kate softed the mech I gave her.

Although the mech has no alignment information about you.

what does it give her

My role puts a bounty on someone of my choice, if kate gets you killed she is rewarded

THIS is what that meant lol. I asked the host to clarify but he would not. Omg.

Ok then, if that's the case. Vote dennis. He's a hit.

Jfc maybe be a little clearer doom.

[Kate]

that means dennis isn’t cleared and there’s no mech on me

1) kates softed mech that should kill me
2) kates also softed mech that should keep dennis from dying

neither of these are coherent with the other even if she got the former from someone else like she claims because in the thread i don’t have many if any detractors who think i’m scum

tldr she’s lying or letting us waste time on wagons she knows is town

Kate softed the mech I gave her.

Although the mech has no alignment information about you.

what does it give her

My role puts a bounty on someone of my choice, if kate gets you killed she is rewarded

THIS is what that meant lol. I asked the host to clarify but he would not. Omg.

Ok then, if that's the case. Vote dennis. He's a hit.

Jfc maybe be a little clearer doom.

Lmao. I'm sticking to my own mech from now on.

[Le petit poussin]

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

[Scrappy Doo]

@Kate if dennis flips scum i consider you to be fairly clear based off your interactions this cycle ftr

[Le petit poussin]

this is not a TR Wilgy, I need to fully digest your wall. (and to be blunt, I tend to be like DoOm - old school and all, and willing to yeet VCA only, meta only, urmotheronly type of reads)

[Scrappy Doo]

dennis’s interactions with you are bad

and you sr him in the night

what’s towny however is the fact you got some inconclusive mech and tunneled me and protected him based off it, off the assumption

you dove off the deep end expecting mech to vindicate you, you did it in a way which indicates you don’t have tmi that dennis would flip scum because according to most and old me you’d be the lynch after dennis pretty easily and i don’t think you’d willingly play like that

tldr you don’t have tmi he’ll flip mafia

[DrWilgy]

Wilgy - hi. Yep you will always be hard for me to read but I feel pretty good about you so far. Your thoughts about Scrappy seem to be thought out but you do seem to be "sheeping" a bit more than normal this game. I also do not like the fact that you openly admit to not actually reading the full game. I am disappoint.

[DrWilgy]

How the hell did I post that?

I must've tabbed and hit enter real quick twice tyring to double space?

Anyways, disregard. I'm moving into reviewing player thoughts on my purposely obstinate slot.

[Scrappy Doo]

dennis’s interactions with you are bad

and you sr him in the night

what’s towny however is the fact you got some inconclusive mech and tunneled me and protected him based off it, off the assumption

you dove off the deep end expecting mech to vindicate you, you did it in a way which indicates you don’t have tmi that dennis would flip scum because according to most and old me you’d be the lynch after dennis pretty easily and i don’t think you’d willingly play like that

tldr you don’t have tmi he’ll flip mafia

@Le petit poussin

i think you should solve in dennis w and kate v worlds because this is a pretty strong/confident read

[Scrappy Doo]

@sig @Kate can you elaborate on mac’s weak tr’s and sr’s, just list the names and not the reasoning so i can have even more original thoughts and narrow down a new poe

[Scrappy Doo]

@sig @Kate can you elaborate on mac’s weak tr’s and sr’s, just list the names and not the reasoning so i can have even more original thoughts and narrow down a new poe

weak tr’s and weak or strong sr’s etc

all his reads and ignore the harder/confident townreads

[sig]

dennis’s interactions with you are bad

and you sr him in the night

what’s towny however is the fact you got some inconclusive mech and tunneled me and protected him based off it, off the assumption

you dove off the deep end expecting mech to vindicate you, you did it in a way which indicates you don’t have tmi that dennis would flip scum because according to most and old me you’d be the lynch after dennis pretty easily and i don’t think you’d willingly play like that

tldr you don’t have tmi he’ll flip mafia

I totally disagree with this take.

Especially with Mac dying at night after he said he’d push her.

I think she was trying to play a distance game with him and now that it’s clear that won’t work she’s throwing him under the bus for civ credit.

I’ll answer your other post in a bit (after work)

[sig]

I’m also seeing LPP broke the tie it looks like for Dennis.

Anyone after a tie breaker doesn’t get civ points in my book.

[Kate]

dennis’s interactions with you are bad

and you sr him in the night

what’s towny however is the fact you got some inconclusive mech and tunneled me and protected him based off it, off the assumption

you dove off the deep end expecting mech to vindicate you, you did it in a way which indicates you don’t have tmi that dennis would flip scum because according to most and old me you’d be the lynch after dennis pretty easily and i don’t think you’d willingly play like that

tldr you don’t have tmi he’ll flip mafia

I'd be happier leaving it that way, honestly lol