Art UPickish D3

[Lemonfairy]

[VOTE: Dubz] aubergine ?

idk

[Kate]

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

Hi pyxxy why did you say you're "fine with town dennis" earlier?

Why do you always ask this question? Do you want us to talk about you more or are you trying to learn your own play?

Most of the time, it's because I don't think I'd done anything AI when they made the read, and if I had I want that specified. In this case pyxxy said it very in passing, and didn't answer me the first time I pushed him

So its a combination of I want to know what he thought is AI, not allowing him to just ignore a question like that, and especially since pyxxy and I get along easily I'm pretty susceptible to him trying to pocket me. I also have a secret theory that's possible that I won't share as of now

Oh fun. More secrets

[Lemonfairy]

EOD when?
should be soon?

[Kate]

Uh oh, Kate might be Maf

Why?

Something someone once told me about how she approaches early game, I'm seeing it here.






Of course I could be wrong, but also [VOTE: kate] aubergine

This is Kate in Summer, where she was Town. Notice her entry to that game, and compare & contrast it to her entry this game.

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It is different. One thing I'm wondering is does Kate always townread Dennis this quickly? From the Kate/Dennis interactions I don't think it's Kate t/Dennis w but any other combination is plausible. With how fast Kate was townreading Dennis I could see w!Kate pocketing t!Dennis.

Dennis will throw me under a bus in a hot second. No pocketing would stop that. I kinda think Dennis and I are just TOO close to pocket each other.

And I'm townLEANING dennis.

[Kate]

I'm disappointed that my art was never auctioned. It was an MS paint masterpiece of... something.

neither was mine which means it's mechanical

happy birthday

I went back to this and why would you think it's mechanical? I looked at all the communication in the discord and signups and each person's role is interpreting the art subjectively. There was nothing about what happens to unauctioned art.

[VOTE: quin] aubergine

I'll ask everyone else too. Is there a reason to think this from the information a townie has?

No. I would have assumed it were an error if mine were not included.

[Kate]

Falcon gets a townlean too. Him going straight for Kate would be a very bold move as scum considering Kate had very good reads in recent games and I think he knows that. Unless they're w/w I don't think w!Falcon does it.

Falcon most likely wants to bug me, I don't blame him really.

[Kate]

Also, re: falcon...I don't see a wfalcon making up a case on me on day, that's tfalcon meta imo. So, although he's wrong, I townlean him too.

[Kate]

Where is camilla?

[Kate]

I'm comfortable with my Quin vote and I'm leaving my vote there. I'll check back in before EOD.

[Quin]

ive decided all of you are mafia except creature who is a jester

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

my vote makes perfect sense if you think about what im trying to achieve

[Quin]

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

Because I just became privvy to the implication of his name spelled backwards

Seems Ytliug

Certified yttocS moment

So can you give me a bit more than that

Sure:

Spoiler: show

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English I Honors
14 April 2023
Avoiding Responsibility for Your Actions
It happens more often than not for one to blame others if they only look on the surface. People would rather not be held accountable for their actions and instead point the finger at whoever seems the most obvious. However, one must look deeper and think critically to decide where to place blame. This is put on display in Romeo and Juliet by William Shakespeare. The tragedy of Romeo and Juliet often gets blamed on Friar Laurence and Juliet’s nurse because of their secrecy and handling of the situation. One could claim the friar or the nurse should have told the Lords of the plans or refused to help Romeo and Juliet outright. However, there were hidden risks and dangers to each option. Friar Laurence and Juliet’s nurse prove through the play that they are acting according to their judgment, not just whatever Romeo or Juliet demands, and are not responsible for the tragedy of Romeo and Juliet.
In the play, Friar Laurence gives Juliet a potion to make her appear dead for several days as a part of a plan to reunite her with her husband (Shakespeare 4.1.89-120). There are multiple seemingly risky and dangerous plans used by Friar Laurence and Juliet’s nurse, but there is always more to them than meets the eye. Friar Laurence’s poison plan, for example, was not on a whim. The friar is a master at herbology and knows many different uses for herbs. It would be irresponsible and deadly to attempt this plan without his knowledge. He is clearly putting thought, and his own skills, into aiding Juliet, while avoiding certain failure. But, this play would not be a tragedy if something didn’t go wrong. Friar Laurence’s message to Romeo in Mantua doesn’t get through, as all friars are being quarantined because of a breakout of the plague (5.2.10-11). It is unjust to blame Friar Laurence for this wicked twist of fate. Every part of his plan was crucial and meticulous--if everything went smoothly, it would have worked. A breakout of the plague could not have even been predicted by doctors during this time period, much less a friar. One cannot blame Friar Laurence for losing control of his plan. But the friar is not the only person who people claim should have taken a different course of action. At multiple points in the play, Juliet’s nurse has the opportunity to bring up Romeo and Juliet’s marriage to Lord and Lady Capulet, but she doesn’t. One might say she carries some blame for keeping it a secret. However, Lord Capulet displays very violent tendencies, especially regarding Juliet and her marriage, and Lady Capulet sides with him (3.5). The nurse cannot safely let anyone know about the marriage without putting her and Juliet’s safety at risk. She is forced into a very troubling situation where she doesn’t want to have to keep this secret but cannot. Both the nurse and Friar Laurence were trying to help, but one may argue they should not have even tolerated the relationship between the two.
Romeo and Juliet’s forbidden love is the driving factor of the play, forcing everyone involved to be secretive and hide things to avoid the Lords becoming furious. But would it have been a happier ending if the nurse or Friar Laurence had refused to help? Juliet was receiving constant pressure from her parents to marry Paris (1.3.60-66), but Juliet says she would rather “bid me go into a new-made grave” than marry him (4.1.84). The Nurse is aware of Juliet’s feelings, but she cannot take either side. On one side, she wants to side with Juliet. Juliet and her nurse have always been very close, and so it is natural that she wouldn’t want to see Juliet married miserably. On the other, this is a time period where it is considered proper for children, especially unmarried girls, to always respect and obey their parents. Zhao Ban, a philosopher and generally considered the first female Chinese historian wrote in her article “On Reverence for Parents” that “Girls not yet gone out from their homes / Must carefully reverence their parents” (1-2). It goes against the nurse’s core values to help Juliet disobey the Capulets. The nurse is trapped in a moral dilemma where she must make a decision or else Juliet would be trapped by her parents into an unhappy marriage, but must be careful with her actions or else she could get in serious trouble with the Capulet family. Friar Laurence plays a pivotal role in Romeo and Juliet’s blossoming relationship. He agrees to marry the two the same day he learns that Romeo has met Juliet and moved on from Rosaline. On the surface, this is a ridiculous idea. However, when one considers that Friar Laurence married them not to appease Romeo, but instead to resolve the conflict between the Capulets and Monagues, the situation gets complicated (Shakespeare 2.3.88-92). Friar Laurence refuses at first, saying Romeo is only attracted to Juliet’s body and is moving much too fast (2.3.65-80). Romeo proves himself to be very emotionally volatile, going from moping about Rosaline (1.1.222-230) to being enamored of Juliet in the same day. Friar Laurence could not have been able to accurately predict Romeo’s reaction. In addition, the marriage is not just because Friar Laurence doesn’t see harm in it--he advises Romeo to slow down and think. The reason he follows through is because of the constant fights breaking out between the Capulets and Montagues. He sees this as a way to “turn your households’ rancor to pure love” (2.3.92). If this marriage works, it will prove that the houses have no real reason to fight, and the citizens of Verona will not have to live in fear of fights breaking out. It’s even possible the Friar actually sees himself as the hero, putting an end to the violence. If he refused, he would both have to deal with whatever Romeo’s reaction was and potentially live with the guilt of every innocent person slain in the subsequent fights. The reaction of the two children is a major driving factor as well. Both Romeo and Juliet threaten to kill themselves at multiple points in the play. Romeo, when he learns he is banished from Verona (3.3.105-109) and Juliet claims she would if all other plans to reunite with Romeo failed (3.5.244). These two children, clearly emotionally unstable and a lot of stress, put the nurse and Friar Laurence in a very tough position. If at any point things did not work out for them, they would kill themselves and their blood would be on the hands of the adults. It was nearly impossible for the adults to simply do nothing. The consequences of the rash behavior of the children ended up being the nurse and Friar Laurence’s responsibility, and they acted the best they could in that terrible situation.
Romeo and Juliet are rash and irresponsible, forcing themselves into very adult situations and then begging for aid, so far as to threaten killing themselves if the adults don’t help. Friar Laurence and the nurse, being thrusted into this position, make attempts to rationalize with the children before they try their more unorthodox plans. The nurse at first goes along with what Juliet wishes, but after Romeo is banished, she thinks about what to do and suggests Juliet just marry Paris and forget about Romeo (3.5.216-226). The nurse believes that this has gone too far and that Juliet should just follow her parent’s advice. Despite her constant complaints, the chances that Juliet would fall in love with Paris in an arranged marriage are higher than they seemed. According to “Would You Marry a Stranger?” by Jessica McBirney, arranged marriages are not all terrible. In fact, there is data that “those in arranged marriages generally enjoy happier lives and lower divorce rates” (2). The whole situation caused more problems for everyone than it solved, and Juliet is arguably being selfish. By refusing to try and move on and shame everyone around her into helping her, she manipulates the situation into exactly what she wants, and refuses the nurse’s attempts to make her reconsider Paris, or even just move on from Romeo. Friar Laurence had the almost exact opposite problem with Romeo. The friar was disappointed to hear how quickly Romeo moved on from Rosaline and advises that Romeo think about his decision more (Shakespeare 2.3.74-78). Romeo characteristically refuses to reconsider and begs until Friar Laurence gives in. It’s almost as if he doesn’t want help, he just wants what will make him happiest and doesn’t consider the consequences of his actions or the advice the friar gives. While Friar Laurence stands stronger on his position than the nurse did, he eventually caves as well and marries Romeo and Juliet. This could be seen as the initial conflict that starts the path to the tragedy, but truly the blame lies in Romeo and Juliet manipulating the adults around them. They are irresponsible and manipulative, threatening to kill themselves and leave the guilt of their deaths in the hearts of the adults unless everything goes their way. It eventually becomes clear that the only people who can truly be blamed for the tragedy of Romeo and Juliet is Romeo and Juliet themselves.
Juliet’s nurse and Friar Laurence tried their best, in a situation where they were being manipulated and had to be very careful with their actions, to aid Romeo and Juliet. The scholars that argue Friar Laurence and the nurse are responsible must reconsider and recognize the emotional struggle Romeo and Juliet put on them. It is important to think critically, from an unbiased perspective about situations before one places blame. We have all been in arguments or situations where taking the blame is unfavorable and attempt to place the blame on someone else. It’s hard to reconcile with guilt, and it’s okay to feel these things. But when someone else takes the fall for one, one carries the same, if not more responsibility than before.
Works Cited
“On Reverence for Parents”, Zhao Ban, c, 4.-120. Commonlit.
Shakespeare, William. Romeo and Juliet. Literatur, Grade 9, edited by Janet Allen, McDougal Littell, 2008, 940-1050.

This essay obviously has nothing to do with me and it's kind of unnerving you don't want to give a serious answer, especially because you just pushed me to top wagon

That’s fair. There’s no substance behind my vote.

I think I’ll feel bad if you were an actual wagon for no reason; as it stands with 2 votes, you’re more like a tricycle on a gentle slope

buddying

lol
what kind of buddies do you hang out with? I’m currently voting the chap

halfway into day 1, where nothing is happening and there is a zero percent chance dennis is actually being lynched

you were halfway out the door with your dennis vote the second after you made it

[Quin]

I'd be ok with a vote for genny, Quin or to a lesser extent creature.

Don't vote dennis.

I'm gonna vote [VOTE: quin] aubergine for now. BBL

why why why

[Creature]

Oh I nearly missed this game again

[Creature]

Jesus what's the most correct thing to do when I don't have interest in a game that just started?

[Creature]

Where is camilla?

Prob forgot this game existed

[Quin]

I've decided that Dennis is town and Dubz is not. Let it be known.

It is known

Hey there hero. Any thoughts on genny? I've watched her play once baddie where she was super quiet, and played with her once where she was solvey. Here, she seems "present." How do I interpret that?

And guys let's not mislynch @dennis again.

why are you already so sure Dennis is town?

I'm not SO SURE, but I'd say most likely not. He's present, he's chatting, he's not tentative. That's civ Dennis indicators. So when I read his posts, it sounds like Dennis not someone trying to sound like Dennis.

in all my experience with dennis so far "present, chatting, non-tentative" have been NAI.

[Quin]

I'm disappointed that my art was never auctioned. It was an MS paint masterpiece of... something.

neither was mine which means it's mechanical

happy birthday

I went back to this and why would you think it's mechanical? I looked at all the communication in the discord and signups and each person's role is interpreting the art subjectively. There was nothing about what happens to unauctioned art.

[VOTE: quin] aubergine

I'll ask everyone else too. Is there a reason to think this from the information a townie has?

i wanted to see who would deviate and start talking about mechanics. no bites.

[Scotty]

Jesus what's the most correct thing to do when I don't have interest in a game that just started?

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

You wouldn’t mind if we voted you out?

[Creature]

Jesus what's the most correct thing to do when I don't have interest in a game that just started?

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

You wouldn’t mind if we voted you out?

It looks pretty bad for my track to be mislynched.

[Quin]

im probably screwed so

lynch scotty and dennis in that order

porscha is probably town

evaluate if you're lynching creature for productive reasons, or because he's pissing you off. it's probably the latter.

im moving so i dont really have the time to afford to greater defense, sorry.

[Quin]

[VOTE: scotty] aubergine

[Scotty]

[VOTE: scotty] aubergine

Towny vote

He has no impetus to start a wagon on me as wolf imo

Don’t lynch quin

[Scotty]

[VOTE: Dennis] aubergine

[Scotty]

My vote is fluid. Where should I go fam

[Scotty]

I'm disappointed that my art was never auctioned. It was an MS paint masterpiece of... something.

neither was mine which means it's mechanical

happy birthday

I went back to this and why would you think it's mechanical? I looked at all the communication in the discord and signups and each person's role is interpreting the art subjectively. There was nothing about what happens to unauctioned art.

[VOTE: quin] aubergine

I'll ask everyone else too. Is there a reason to think this from the information a townie has?

i wanted to see who would deviate and start talking about mechanics. no bites.

I haven’t read the last few pages. Let’s chat

[Thunal33]

I'm disappointed that my art was never auctioned. It was an MS paint masterpiece of... something.

neither was mine which means it's mechanical

happy birthday

I went back to this and why would you think it's mechanical? I looked at all the communication in the discord and signups and each person's role is interpreting the art subjectively. There was nothing about what happens to unauctioned art.

[VOTE: quin] aubergine

I'll ask everyone else too. Is there a reason to think this from the information a townie has?

i wanted to see who would deviate and start talking about mechanics. no bites.

Okay, so you didn't actually believe unauctioned roles had anything to do with mechanics?

[Kate]

My vote is fluid. Where should I go fam

Creature or genny?

[Thunal33]

I'm not voting Dennis or Kate today. I'm deciding between Quin and Creature.

[Scotty]

My vote is fluid. Where should I go fam

Creature or genny?

Honoring quin and not going creature

[VOTE: genny] aubergine

[Quin]

I'm disappointed that my art was never auctioned. It was an MS paint masterpiece of... something.

neither was mine which means it's mechanical

happy birthday

I went back to this and why would you think it's mechanical? I looked at all the communication in the discord and signups and each person's role is interpreting the art subjectively. There was nothing about what happens to unauctioned art.

[VOTE: quin] aubergine

I'll ask everyone else too. Is there a reason to think this from the information a townie has?

i wanted to see who would deviate and start talking about mechanics. no bites.

Okay, so you didn't actually believe unauctioned roles had anything to do with mechanics?

non. i'll check with nanook before adding to this.

[Kate]

My vote is fluid. Where should I go fam

Creature or genny?

Honoring quin and not going creature

[VOTE: genny] aubergine

Ok vote [VOTE: genny] aubergine

[Thunal33]

[VOTE: scotty] aubergine

Towny vote

He has no impetus to start a wagon on me as wolf imo

Don’t lynch quin

After thinking this over for a bit I might agree, especially since he wasn't really trying to get people to follow onto you today instead giving a legacy for after he dies.

[Quin]

My vote is fluid. Where should I go fam

Creature or genny?

Honoring quin and not going creature

[VOTE: genny] aubergine

why are you honoring me specifically? i'm no less likely to self-pres if you 'honored' someone elses suspects.

[Scotty]

Like my d1 reads are generally Jackson Pollack paintings. But I feel confident Quin is town. Let’s get off him

[Scotty]

My vote is fluid. Where should I go fam

Creature or genny?

Honoring quin and not going creature

[VOTE: genny] aubergine

why are you honoring me specifically? i'm no less likely to self-pres if you 'honored' someone elses suspects.

Why do you suspect me?

[Creature]

[VOTE: genny] aubergine

[Thunal33]

I want to have an actual wolfread. Currently I don't.

[Lemonfairy]

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

[Scotty]

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Unlike quin, I think this vote sucks

[Thunal33]

You should all focus on players who are playing because lynching LHF D1 is like re-starting D1 with two fewer town players.

[VOTE: genny] aubergine

What happened to this?

[Lemonfairy]

hmmmmm

[Lemonfairy]

[VOTE: Scotty] aubergine

Unlike quin, I think this vote sucks

[Scotty]

Like, do y’all not see what I’m seeing with quin?

And if you think quin is good, why am I as wolf trying to pull off him? TMI? I just sit back and let it happen

[Thunal33]

[VOTE: Creature] aubergine

[Quin]

My vote is fluid. Where should I go fam

Creature or genny?

Honoring quin and not going creature

[VOTE: genny] aubergine

why are you honoring me specifically? i'm no less likely to self-pres if you 'honored' someone elses suspects.

Why do you suspect me?

buddying/distancing with dennis, but most recently i think your reaction to my most recent posts have been inauthentic.

[Quin]

you didn't answer my question.

[Scotty]

My vote is fluid. Where should I go fam

Creature or genny?

Honoring quin and not going creature

[VOTE: genny] aubergine

why are you honoring me specifically? i'm no less likely to self-pres if you 'honored' someone elses suspects.

Why do you suspect me?

buddying/distancing with dennis, but most recently i think your reaction to my most recent posts have been inauthentic.

You guys keep bringing up this buddying thing with Dennis. I don’t get it

[Scotty]

My vote is fluid. Where should I go fam

Creature or genny?

Honoring quin and not going creature

[VOTE: genny] aubergine

why are you honoring me specifically? i'm no less likely to self-pres if you 'honored' someone elses suspects.

Why do you suspect me?

buddying/distancing with dennis, but most recently i think your reaction to my most recent posts have been inauthentic.

oh, I thought that was obvious. You are the leading wagon and your random vote for me DOESNT come from wolf imo.

Ergo, im following you

Also haven’t caught up

[Quin]

Like, do y’all not see what I’m seeing with quin?

And if you think quin is good, why am I as wolf trying to pull off him? TMI? I just sit back and let it happen

because i had 4 votes and about 30 minutes until EoD. that's the best time to pull off me.

[Scotty]

Thunal tying it up for creature/genny, eh?

Just noting