Phenon Mafia: ENDGAME - Snuffed

#2551

Quin wrote:Confirming shenanigans last night.

What do you mean by shenanigans?

#2552

At this point I am highly in favor of a Marmot lynch, not only because he is my top suspect but because I think his flip will be very, VERY telling in regard to several other players. I am less confident in my suspicion of INH and it largely depends on whether MM is bad. I strongly believe lynching MM is by far the most productive thing we can do today.

Golden, if by some miracle you're still here and see this, if you trust me I very strongly recommend that you join me in voting for MM.

The second one, predominantly. I hope it speaks for itself.

linki: I am confirming a role blocker, or another role.

#2553

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:INH was self-aligned, and his interests were purely his own. It wasn't the best lynch, it wasn't the worst lynch. Most importantly, in the eyes of the Hive team, he was not one of theirs. In that vein it can be treated as a mislynch, particularly during the day prior to INH revealing himself as an LMS independent role. The votes that preceded that claim:

Golden
speedchuck
JOH
Fredwood

I would appreciate if the four of you would at least briefly state or restate what motivated your INH votes when you placed them.

Dizzy and Quin voted for INH after his claim. It is more difficult to ascertain ulterior motives there as INH provided an obvious motive. I will still each of you though: what made you feel that the vote was still worth making?

I felt like he wasn't hunting at all. His case on the map-makers felt artificial as he boxed himself into a perspective on info. Beyond that, all he did was a case on dizzy that didn't seem great and meant he wasn't on the marmot vote, and literally nothing else. This is in stark contrast to what I am used to seeing from town inh - a guy who gives lots of opinions and isn't afraid to make them and stick on them.

I stuck on him because he claimed LMS, which is inherently not town-aligned (although, as it happened, he didn't exactly turn out to be LMS, and it looks like he can still win).

#2554

Quin wrote:
At this point I am highly in favor of a Marmot lynch, not only because he is my top suspect but because I think his flip will be very, VERY telling in regard to several other players. I am less confident in my suspicion of INH and it largely depends on whether MM is bad. I strongly believe lynching MM is by far the most productive thing we can do today.

Golden, if by some miracle you're still here and see this, if you trust me I very strongly recommend that you join me in voting for MM.
The second one, predominantly. I hope it speaks for itself.

linki: I am confirming a role blocker, or another role.

At what point did you first consider that she might have information on Marmot?

#2555

http://forum.chocolatepi.net/showthread.php?tid=481 Mafia me.

http://forum.chocolatepi.net/showthread.php?tid=720 Town me.

I remember nothing of the town game.

#2556

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:
At this point I am highly in favor of a Marmot lynch, not only because he is my top suspect but because I think his flip will be very, VERY telling in regard to several other players. I am less confident in my suspicion of INH and it largely depends on whether MM is bad. I strongly believe lynching MM is by far the most productive thing we can do today.

Golden, if by some miracle you're still here and see this, if you trust me I very strongly recommend that you join me in voting for MM.
The second one, predominantly. I hope it speaks for itself.

linki: I am confirming a role blocker, or another role.
At what point did you first consider that she might have information on Marmot?

When I read the second post.

#2557

Golden wrote:I stuck on him because he claimed LMS, which is inherently not town-aligned (although, as it happened, he didn't exactly turn out to be LMS, and it looks like he can still win).

Same reason I stuck. I wish he hadn't called himself "LMS", because that literally made him a threat.

#2558

Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:
At this point I am highly in favor of a Marmot lynch, not only because he is my top suspect but because I think his flip will be very, VERY telling in regard to several other players. I am less confident in my suspicion of INH and it largely depends on whether MM is bad. I strongly believe lynching MM is by far the most productive thing we can do today.

Golden, if by some miracle you're still here and see this, if you trust me I very strongly recommend that you join me in voting for MM.
The second one, predominantly. I hope it speaks for itself.

linki: I am confirming a role blocker, or another role.
At what point did you first consider that she might have information on Marmot?
When I read the second post.

You voted for Dizzy that day, not Marmot. Why?

#2559

I'll also say that the reason I didn't join her on the marmot wagon at the time was because I didn't entirely trust her at the time. I did consider it though.

#2560

Quin wrote:I'll also say that the reason I didn't join her on the marmot wagon at the time was because I didn't entirely trust her at the time. I did consider it though.

Why didn't you trust her?

#2561

Quin wrote:Vote Dizzy, might switch to marmot, for reasons.

#2562

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:I'll also say that the reason I didn't join her on the marmot wagon at the time was because I didn't entirely trust her at the time. I did consider it though.
Why didn't you trust her?

Don't remember.

#2563

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:INH was self-aligned, and his interests were purely his own. It wasn't the best lynch, it wasn't the worst lynch. Most importantly, in the eyes of the Hive team, he was not one of theirs. In that vein it can be treated as a mislynch, particularly during the day prior to INH revealing himself as an LMS independent role. The votes that preceded that claim:

Golden
speedchuck
JOH
Fredwood

I would appreciate if the four of you would at least briefly state or restate what motivated your INH votes when you placed them.

Dizzy and Quin voted for INH after his claim. It is more difficult to ascertain ulterior motives there as INH provided an obvious motive. I will still each of you though: what made you feel that the vote was still worth making?

It was him or me. I know I'm town. I didn't know his alignment when I voted. I probably would have voted just about anybody to save myself. Maaaaaybe would have held off on Nutella and you.

My reason for suspecting INH and being willing to lynch him aside from saving myself is that he was 95% focused on Dizzy for the entire game. He put forth an unconvincing argument, spent almost all of his time pursing it and then after D2, disappeared completely. His throwing shade at Golden and you (who I both believe are town) on day 1 for the map confusion didn't look great at the time (I've been waffling a bit on who came out better, INH or LC during that discussion) and looked extra bad once you were confirmed by Nut. This all gave the impression of a player who wasn't trying to catch scum and wasn't out to help the town.

As it turns out, I'm a bit vindicated because INH wasn't town. He wasn't trying to catch scum. He didn't have the town's best interest at heart.

But he wasn't mafia.

#2564

Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:I'll also say that the reason I didn't join her on the marmot wagon at the time was because I didn't entirely trust her at the time. I did consider it though.
Why didn't you trust her?
Don't remember.

You suspected nutella might have information on Marmot, suggested you might move your vote accordingly but didn't, because you were wary of nutella for reasons you don't remember. Instead you tried to lynch the easiest target available via the counterwagon to the potentially information-exposed (in your mind) bad guy.

Vote Quin

#2565

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:As it turns out, I'm a bit vindicated because INH wasn't town. He wasn't trying to catch scum. He didn't have the town's best interest at heart.

But he wasn't mafia.

I think that's it in a nutshell. Correct behaviour identification, incorrect motive assignment.

#2566

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:I'll also say that the reason I didn't join her on the marmot wagon at the time was because I didn't entirely trust her at the time. I did consider it though.
Why didn't you trust her?
Don't remember.
You suspected nutella might have information on Marmot, suggested you might move your vote accordingly but didn't, because you were wary of nutella for reasons you don't remember. Instead you tried to lynch the easiest target available via the counterwagon to the potentially information-exposed (in your mind) bad guy.

Vote Quin

I still don't remember.

#2567

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:I'll also say that the reason I didn't join her on the marmot wagon at the time was because I didn't entirely trust her at the time. I did consider it though.
Why didn't you trust her?
Don't remember.
You suspected nutella might have information on Marmot, suggested you might move your vote accordingly but didn't, because you were wary of nutella for reasons you don't remember. Instead you tried to lynch the easiest target available via the counterwagon to the potentially information-exposed (in your mind) bad guy.

Vote Quin

Question.

Would a baddie nightkill nutella and then immediately say 'I thought she'd be an every night cop'?

#2568

Quin wrote:
Quin wrote:Vote Dizzy, might switch to marmot, for reasons.

What were the reasons?

#2569

Question.

Why am I supposed to vote a maybe-copped person by a player I didn't trust over someone I'd been reading as bad and arguing against the past two days?

#2570

Golden wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:I'll also say that the reason I didn't join her on the marmot wagon at the time was because I didn't entirely trust her at the time. I did consider it though.
Why didn't you trust her?
Don't remember.
You suspected nutella might have information on Marmot, suggested you might move your vote accordingly but didn't, because you were wary of nutella for reasons you don't remember. Instead you tried to lynch the easiest target available via the counterwagon to the potentially information-exposed (in your mind) bad guy.

Vote Quin
Question.

Would a baddie nightkill nutella and then immediately say 'I thought she'd be an every night cop'?

Sure.

Nut claimed to cop JJJ during the day.

Quin didn't read all of Nut's posts, forgot about them or is lying. Alignment has nothing to do with the first two.

#2571

Quin wrote:Question.

Why am I supposed to vote a maybe-copped person by a player I didn't trust over someone I'd been reading as bad and arguing against the past two days?

Question

Why did you copy my question format?

#2572

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Quin wrote:
Quin wrote:Vote Dizzy, might switch to marmot, for reasons.
What were the reasons?

We are literally talking about them right now.

#2573

Golden wrote:
Quin wrote:Question.

Why am I supposed to vote a maybe-copped person by a player I didn't trust over someone I'd been reading as bad and arguing against the past two days?
Question

Why did you copy my question format?

Question.

Why did you forget the period at the end of Question?

#2574

Golden wrote:Question.

Would a baddie nightkill nutella and then immediately say 'I thought she'd be an every night cop'?

I think that answer depends upon the player. If Quin did that, the implication is that he really believed his team was removing a true cop and utilized transparency as a shield in the thread. It's the clever variety of WIFOM that I would associate with strong baddies. I don't believe it would be an accidental slip though, at least not from a veteran.

#2575

Quin wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Quin wrote:
Quin wrote:Vote Dizzy, might switch to marmot, for reasons.
What were the reasons?
We are literally talking about them right now.

RWAR

#2576

Quin wrote:Question.

Why am I supposed to vote a maybe-copped person by a player I didn't trust over someone I'd been reading as bad and arguing against the past two days?

You're supposed to vote for whoever you think is the best vote. I am supposed to judge whether your voting effort is truly representative of that. Here's my beef, sir:

You state vague distrust of nutella. I think she was blindingly town all game long. She was a glowing beacon of town. I need to know what your problem was if I am going to have any chance of caring about that problem relative to your voting behavior.

I also think Dizzy was an easy ass counterwagon vote on Day 2 and I don't think you ever did a satisfactory job of supporting that vote. Nobody who voted for Dizzy did that.

#2577

I'll make this a bit more blatant for you if you aren't satisfied, 3J. Give the word.

#2578

Quin wrote:I'll make this a bit more blatant for you if you aren't satisfied, 3J. Give the word.

Pineapple

#2579

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
Quin wrote:Question.

Why am I supposed to vote a maybe-copped person by a player I didn't trust over someone I'd been reading as bad and arguing against the past two days?
You're supposed to vote for whoever you think is the best vote. I am supposed to judge whether your voting effort is truly representative of that. Here's my beef, sir:

You state vague distrust of nutella. I think she was blindingly town all game long. She was a glowing beacon of town. I need to know what your problem was if I am going to have any chance of caring about that problem relative to your voting behavior.

I also think Dizzy was an easy ass counterwagon vote on Day 2 and I don't think you ever did a satisfactory job of supporting that vote. Nobody who voted for Dizzy did that.

He's explaining right now.

#2580

I would personally recommend you just move on from this conversation, though.

#2581

Quin wrote:I would personally recommend you just move on from this conversation, though.

Where should I move my conversing to? Give me a direction that appeals to me and I might do that. Or I might continue to interrogate you. Depends on my mood.

#2582

Soneji, I'd love to hear about your worthless Day 3 vote.

#2583

Quin wrote:I would personally recommend you just move on from this conversation, though.

You heard him, guys.

Quin doesn't want to talk about his scum behavior anymore.

Just leave him alone already, okay?

Vote Quin

#2584

speedchuck wrote:http://forum.chocolatepi.net/showthread.php?tid=481 Mafia me.

http://forum.chocolatepi.net/showthread.php?tid=720 Town me.

I remember nothing of the town game.

Just saw this, thanks chuck. I'll take a quick look.

#2585

Are we gonna get vote tallies?

I've lost track of where our train has been and don't want a repeat of yesterday.

#2586

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Quin wrote:I would personally recommend you just move on from this conversation, though.
You heard him, guys.

Quin doesn't want to talk about his scum behavior anymore.

Just leave him alone already, okay?

Vote Quin

Because the only thing I could be trying to do in that blatant dismissal is avoid discussion. Okay.

#2587

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
speedchuck wrote:http://forum.chocolatepi.net/showthread.php?tid=481 Mafia me.

http://forum.chocolatepi.net/showthread.php?tid=720 Town me.

I remember nothing of the town game.
Just saw this, thanks chuck. I'll take a quick look.

I'm pretty proud of that scum game.

Going to bed. I'll answer about my INH vote when I tomorrow wake.

#2588

speedchuck wrote:Going to bed. I'll answer about my INH vote when I tomorrow wake.

Or you could answer it now instead of sleeping on it. I don't need a dissertation, I need an answer.

#2589

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Quin wrote:I would personally recommend you just move on from this conversation, though.
You heard him, guys.

Quin doesn't want to talk about his scum behavior anymore.

Just leave him alone already, okay?

Vote Quin

Please justify this. The only controversial thing pointed out is that I don't remember why I didn't trust nutella. Why exactly is that scum behaviour?

#2590

JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
speedchuck wrote:Going to bed. I'll answer about my INH vote when I tomorrow wake.
Or you could answer it now instead of sleeping on it. I don't need a dissertation, I need an answer.

First reaction:

Didn't like the dizzy push because I thought dizzy as town. Marmot buddy stuff.
If you don't think this is thourou enough, whatever. Bed call..s

#2591

speedchuck wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
speedchuck wrote:Going to bed. I'll answer about my INH vote when I tomorrow wake.
Or you could answer it now instead of sleeping on it. I don't need a dissertation, I need an answer.
First reaction:

Didn't like the dizzy push because I thought dizzy as town. Marmot buddy stuff.
If you don't think this is thourou enough, whatever. Bed call..s

It'll do for now, thanks.

↑ Trust commanded

↓ Friendliness

#2592

Quin wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Quin wrote:I would personally recommend you just move on from this conversation, though.
You heard him, guys.

Quin doesn't want to talk about his scum behavior anymore.

Just leave him alone already, okay?

Vote Quin
Because the only thing I could be trying to do in that blatant dismissal is avoid discussion. Okay.

Do tell.

#2593

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Quin wrote:
Jackofhearts2005 wrote:
Quin wrote:I would personally recommend you just move on from this conversation, though.
You heard him, guys.

Quin doesn't want to talk about his scum behavior anymore.

Just leave him alone already, okay?

Vote Quin
Because the only thing I could be trying to do in that blatant dismissal is avoid discussion. Okay.
Do tell.

I'd rather not.

#2594

speedchuck wrote:
JaggedJimmyJay wrote:
speedchuck wrote:http://forum.chocolatepi.net/showthread.php?tid=481 Mafia me.

http://forum.chocolatepi.net/showthread.php?tid=720 Town me.

I remember nothing of the town game.
Just saw this, thanks chuck. I'll take a quick look.
I'm pretty proud of that scum game.

Going to bed. I'll answer about my INH vote when I tomorrow wake.

And I thought INH's avatar was bad.

Brb. Having a seizure.

#2595

Jackofhearts2005 wrote:Do tell.

#2596

This is Jay after he can't post for 24 hours

'give me answers now or I will flip!'

I have thoughts on Quin's entry today but I want to see what others have to say first.

#2597

Golden wrote:This is Jay after he can't post for 24 hours 'give me answers now or I will flip!'

I have thoughts on Quin's entry today but I want to see what others have to say first.

Will I like your thoughts on my entry today?

#2598

RIP nutella, thanks for playing a hell of a game.
I've only skimmed the EoD events from yesterday so I'm not too sure what happened, but the results could have heen worse. I'll get caught up and say things tomorrow.

How are we all feeling about JOH today? Did he convince everyone not to lynch him, or did INH make himself too lynchable to miss?

#2599

Sloonei wrote:How are we all feeling about JOH today?

Please tell me your own read, based on whatever content you have read, before others answer your prod.

#2600

Quin wrote:
Golden wrote:This is Jay after he can't post for 24 hours 'give me answers now or I will flip!'

I have thoughts on Quin's entry today but I want to see what others have to say first.
Will I like your thoughts on my entry today?

How would you Rate this game?