Steely Dan Mafia [ENDGAME]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Suspect me for that if you like, I really don't care.

k

I will say that if you actually try to lynch me for that, that it will live on as the silliest thing you have ever done in this game.

By the way, if anyone wants to ask me to be more specific about this matter, don't bother. It's angleshooting.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Yay I love tearing apart silly "fishing for reaction" day 0 arguments.

Yet here you are with zero reads. What have you accomplished?

What is this, a job interview?

I don't have to accomplish shit.

This feels fake and reinforces DDL/Jay not w/w.

Looping back around on this one I questioned before, I got the distinctly opposite impression from reading that DDL post. It's exactly how I would have felt. Don't like that we're not on the same page in this game Jack. My face has scrunched up in confusion from several of your posts.

If it makes you feel better, I’ve liked most of DDL’s posts since then.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]dunya[/mention], Jack doesn't seem to know what you're talking about either. What does that mean to you?

[dunya]

[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] read below. she's already said you're not all mafia together. you're a bigger scum read to her than juliets. if you're bad, juliets probably isn't. where's the issue in defending juliets against you?

Current gut read after having caught up

Jack - bad
Jay - bad
Dunya - Town
Luna - Town
Mata - Town
Nova - Town
Juliets - slight bad lean
Speed - Town
Nutella - rude

Everyone else is null.

Shockedpikachu.jpg

Why are Jay, Jack and maybe Juliets bad?

Is it because our names start with the letter J?

I don’t think you all are together. I think one or two of you are but I’m not sure which ones.

Juliets I don’t feel the normal confused/trying to understand vibe I get from her posts. She seems more confident in her reads than I expect from civ Juliets.

Jay, it’s in the way he has responded to dunya. She pressed to understand why two things read differently because she didn’t see a difference. A valid question imo. His response was , she should know me better than that. An implicationhe thinks she is bad. Then a short time later he calls her good, I don’t see a natural evolution of opinion in there. It looks bad to me.

Jack, you pushed Juliets for her joke questions about Mac/nova. I’ve only played two game series this year and even I knew what she was talking about. You presented it in a manner as if she only asked the questions as if she already knew they were on different teams, but that was t an accurate representation. Looks bad to me.

You think Jay and Jack could be bad together?? Or are they completely separate suspicions without teammate compatibility taken into account bc I would be very surprised.

See the glory of the royal scam

I trend towards if Jack is bad the other two probably are not. Jay could be a teammate withhjuliets, but I wouldn’t say that is a sure thing if one of them is bad they both are. It’s possible, but I’m just spitting out my gut readability independent of each other right now. I don’t believe all three are bad together, no.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Why are people voting for Speed and Nutella?

[MacDougall]

I also don't know what she is talking about.

[Jackofhearts2005]

dunya, Jack doesn't seem to know what you're talking about either. What does that mean to you?

That I overestimate 8 year olds and Dunya?

Didn’t you explain it to her too?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I misread that.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Actually I don't even want to talk about this at all. I don't think it's kosher. I am ending my participation in that discussion.

[dunya]

@dunya, Jack doesn't seem to know what you're talking about either. What does that mean to you?

fine. i'll drop it.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Why are people voting for Speed and Nutella?

You just said you like speed, so cool beans. Why not nutella?

[novaselinenever]

I've just now caught up on it lol. Had to re-read something.

[novaselinenever]

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

That's a good vote. Talk to me about him

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

That's a good vote. Talk to me about him

This is a case where I'd prefer not to do that. Give it a bit first.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I don’t care about her read on me, which she riscended anyway. It doesn’t enter into my read.

Why is she defending Juliets and not Mac if between them, she suspects Juliets?

Jackofhearts2005 read below. she's already said you're not all mafia together. you're a bigger scum read to her than juliets. if you're bad, juliets probably isn't. where's the issue in defending juliets against you?

Current gut read after having caught up

Jack - bad
Jay - bad
Dunya - Town
Luna - Town
Mata - Town
Nova - Town
Juliets - slight bad lean
Speed - Town
Nutella - rude

Everyone else is null.

Shockedpikachu.jpg

Why are Jay, Jack and maybe Juliets bad?

Is it because our names start with the letter J?

I don’t think you all are together. I think one or two of you are but I’m not sure which ones.

Juliets I don’t feel the normal confused/trying to understand vibe I get from her posts. She seems more confident in her reads than I expect from civ Juliets.

Jay, it’s in the way he has responded to dunya. She pressed to understand why two things read differently because she didn’t see a difference. A valid question imo. His response was , she should know me better than that. An implicationhe thinks she is bad. Then a short time later he calls her good, I don’t see a natural evolution of opinion in there. It looks bad to me.

Jack, you pushed Juliets for her joke questions about Mac/nova. I’ve only played two game series this year and even I knew what she was talking about. You presented it in a manner as if she only asked the questions as if she already knew they were on different teams, but that was t an accurate representation. Looks bad to me.

You think Jay and Jack could be bad together?? Or are they completely separate suspicions without teammate compatibility taken into account bc I would be very surprised.

See the glory of the royal scam

I trend towards if Jack is bad the other two probably are not. Jay could be a teammate withhjuliets, but I wouldn’t say that is a sure thing if one of them is bad they both are. It’s possible, but I’m just spitting out my gut readability independent of each other right now. I don’t believe all three are bad together, no.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don’t care about her read on me, which she riscended anyway. It doesn’t enter into my read.

Why is she defending Juliets and not Mac if between them, she suspects Juliets?

juliets was the focal point of the conversation. Mac was only even relevant by proxy and hardly mattered. Again I don't find that surprising.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Why are people voting for Speed and Nutella?

You just said you like speed, so cool beans. Why not nutella?

Mindmeld several times. I remember people suspecting her but not finding it convincing.

[dunya]

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

why would town mac give dunya an easy day green pass just because she hasn't said something "scummy"? other people have found things scummy in what i've said. i don't feel you're being genuine and the sarcasm on me was lost.

i'm not even here to play my hardest civ game, so don't tell me my "civ" is shining through. explain what gave you good vibes about me or this becomes as bad as elohcin's "green" to luna that everyone took issue with imo.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Why are people voting for Speed and Nutella?

You just said you like speed, so cool beans. Why not nutella?

Mindmeld several times. I remember people suspecting her but not finding it convincing.

Share the mindmelds. It appears "spicy" wasn't actually a mindmeld, because she was voicing agreement with the juliets/Mac combination, and you have said everything you can to indicate that you did not necessarily agree. What else?

[Jackofhearts2005]

I don’t care about her read on me, which she riscended anyway. It doesn’t enter into my read.

Why is she defending Juliets and not Mac if between them, she suspects Juliets?

juliets was the focal point of the conversation. Mac was only even relevant by proxy and hardly mattered. Again I don't find that surprising.

It’s only spicy cause it’s Juliets and Mac.

If it was just Juliets it would be like “what if Juliets is bad?” which isn’t even a little bit spicy. Figuratively white bread with nothing on it.

[novaselinenever]

I don’t care about her read on me, which she riscended anyway. It doesn’t enter into my read.

Why is she defending Juliets and not Mac if between them, she suspects Juliets?

Jackofhearts2005 read below. she's already said you're not all mafia together. you're a bigger scum read to her than juliets. if you're bad, juliets probably isn't. where's the issue in defending juliets against you?

Current gut read after having caught up

Jack - bad
Jay - bad
Dunya - Town
Luna - Town
Mata - Town
Nova - Town
Juliets - slight bad lean
Speed - Town
Nutella - rude

Everyone else is null.

Shockedpikachu.jpg

Why are Jay, Jack and maybe Juliets bad?

Is it because our names start with the letter J?

I don’t think you all are together. I think one or two of you are but I’m not sure which ones.

Juliets I don’t feel the normal confused/trying to understand vibe I get from her posts. She seems more confident in her reads than I expect from civ Juliets.

Jay, it’s in the way he has responded to dunya. She pressed to understand why two things read differently because she didn’t see a difference. A valid question imo. His response was , she should know me better than that. An implicationhe thinks she is bad. Then a short time later he calls her good, I don’t see a natural evolution of opinion in there. It looks bad to me.

Jack, you pushed Juliets for her joke questions about Mac/nova. I’ve only played two game series this year and even I knew what she was talking about. You presented it in a manner as if she only asked the questions as if she already knew they were on different teams, but that was t an accurate representation. Looks bad to me.

You think Jay and Jack could be bad together?? Or are they completely separate suspicions without teammate compatibility taken into account bc I would be very surprised.

See the glory of the royal scam

I trend towards if Jack is bad the other two probably are not. Jay could be a teammate withhjuliets, but I wouldn’t say that is a sure thing if one of them is bad they both are. It’s possible, but I’m just spitting out my gut readability independent of each other right now. I don’t believe all three are bad together, no.

How did she defend Juliets? I might have missed that.

Linki - Dunya is bad.

[Jackofhearts2005]

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

why would town mac give dunya an easy day green pass just because she hasn't said something "scummy"? other people have found things scummy in what i've said. i don't feel you're being genuine and the sarcasm on me was lost.

i'm not even here to play my hardest civ game, so don't tell me my "civ" is shining through. explain what gave you good vibes about me or this becomes as bad as elohcin's "green" to luna that everyone took issue with imo.

“Mac’s not getting lynched today.”

[dunya]

nutella is one of my top suspects. i wouldn't oppose her lynch.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don’t care about her read on me, which she riscended anyway. It doesn’t enter into my read.

Why is she defending Juliets and not Mac if between them, she suspects Juliets?

juliets was the focal point of the conversation. Mac was only even relevant by proxy and hardly mattered. Again I don't find that surprising.

It’s only spicy cause it’s Juliets and Mac.

If it was just Juliets it would be like “what if Juliets is bad?” which isn’t even a little bit spicy. Figuratively white bread with nothing on it.

It never had to be "Juliets and Mac"; I don't think this point is meaningful; I think you're losing yourself in your efforts to copy and paste your own logic and mindset into the brains of others.

[Jackofhearts2005]

I don’t care about her read on me, which she riscended anyway. It doesn’t enter into my read.

Why is she defending Juliets and not Mac if between them, she suspects Juliets?

Jackofhearts2005 read below. she's already said you're not all mafia together. you're a bigger scum read to her than juliets. if you're bad, juliets probably isn't. where's the issue in defending juliets against you?

Current gut read after having caught up

Jack - bad
Jay - bad
Dunya - Town
Luna - Town
Mata - Town
Nova - Town
Juliets - slight bad lean
Speed - Town
Nutella - rude

Everyone else is null.

Shockedpikachu.jpg

Why are Jay, Jack and maybe Juliets bad?

Is it because our names start with the letter J?

I don’t think you all are together. I think one or two of you are but I’m not sure which ones.

Juliets I don’t feel the normal confused/trying to understand vibe I get from her posts. She seems more confident in her reads than I expect from civ Juliets.

Jay, it’s in the way he has responded to dunya. She pressed to understand why two things read differently because she didn’t see a difference. A valid question imo. His response was , she should know me better than that. An implicationhe thinks she is bad. Then a short time later he calls her good, I don’t see a natural evolution of opinion in there. It looks bad to me.

Jack, you pushed Juliets for her joke questions about Mac/nova. I’ve only played two game series this year and even I knew what she was talking about. You presented it in a manner as if she only asked the questions as if she already knew they were on different teams, but that was t an accurate representation. Looks bad to me.

You think Jay and Jack could be bad together?? Or are they completely separate suspicions without teammate compatibility taken into account bc I would be very surprised.

See the glory of the royal scam

I trend towards if Jack is bad the other two probably are not. Jay could be a teammate withhjuliets, but I wouldn’t say that is a sure thing if one of them is bad they both are. It’s possible, but I’m just spitting out my gut readability independent of each other right now. I don’t believe all three are bad together, no.

How did she defend Juliets? I might have missed that.

Linki - Dunya is bad.

By uh...scumreading me.

For pushing Juliets. That’s the important part.

[dunya]

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

why would town mac give dunya an easy day green pass just because she hasn't said something "scummy"? other people have found things scummy in what i've said. i don't feel you're being genuine and the sarcasm on me was lost.

i'm not even here to play my hardest civ game, so don't tell me my "civ" is shining through. explain what gave you good vibes about me or this becomes as bad as elohcin's "green" to luna that everyone took issue with imo.

“Mac’s not getting lynched today.”

who is getting lynched today?

[dunya]

damn it jack, lose the quote pyramids.

[dunya]

Linki - Dunya is bad.

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[JaggedJimmyJay]

Anyone can be lynched on any day if there is enough spirit and determination.

[speedchuck]

Anyone can be lynched on any day if there is enough spirit and determination.

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

[speedchuck]

For real though I'm here.

I'm off the drugs and feel a little bit crappy. What should I look at?

[dunya]

By uh...scumreading me.

For pushing Juliets. That’s the important part.

her read on juliets was independent of you being mafia. you weren't w/w in her reads. you were her bigger suspect. it's not rocket science. if she accuses you and defends juliets while doing that, it's because if you're mafia she think juliets would be town. her >weaker< reasons for suspecting juliets had nothing to do with you or even mac and the nova thing.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Okay so maybe Daisy’s read on me does enter into it but not in the way Dunya was saying.

She implied that the problem was scumreading Juliets and also me. Like “but they can’t be scum together” and “she didn’t say you were scum together.”

That’s not the fucking point. It was never about incompatible scumreads.

It was about Daisy defending Juliets specifically and also distancing from Juliets. Inconsistent feelings towards Juliets not based on conflicting evidence or a progression.

This feels like “I will defend Juliets if I can and bus her for cred if I can’t.”

[Jackofhearts2005]

I’m not reading linkis in real time. I’d never post anything.

[dunya]

For real though I'm here.

I'm off the drugs and feel a little bit crappy. What should I look at?

jack thinks you're town. what do you make of that? in fact, you're his biggest town read.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

For real though I'm here.

I'm off the drugs and feel a little bit crappy. What should I look at?

Maybe a quick skim of the prevailing vote recipients would serve you well.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Time for lunch.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

[novaselinenever]

I don’t care about her read on me, which she riscended anyway. It doesn’t enter into my read.

Why is she defending Juliets and not Mac if between them, she suspects Juliets?

Jackofhearts2005 read below. she's already said you're not all mafia together. you're a bigger scum read to her than juliets. if you're bad, juliets probably isn't. where's the issue in defending juliets against you?

Current gut read after having caught up

Jack - bad
Jay - bad
Dunya - Town
Luna - Town
Mata - Town
Nova - Town
Juliets - slight bad lean
Speed - Town
Nutella - rude

Everyone else is null.

Shockedpikachu.jpg

Why are Jay, Jack and maybe Juliets bad?

Is it because our names start with the letter J?

I don’t think you all are together. I think one or two of you are but I’m not sure which ones.

Juliets I don’t feel the normal confused/trying to understand vibe I get from her posts. She seems more confident in her reads than I expect from civ Juliets.

Jay, it’s in the way he has responded to dunya. She pressed to understand why two things read differently because she didn’t see a difference. A valid question imo. His response was , she should know me better than that. An implicationhe thinks she is bad. Then a short time later he calls her good, I don’t see a natural evolution of opinion in there. It looks bad to me.

Jack, you pushed Juliets for her joke questions about Mac/nova. I’ve only played two game series this year and even I knew what she was talking about. You presented it in a manner as if she only asked the questions as if she already knew they were on different teams, but that was t an accurate representation. Looks bad to me.

You think Jay and Jack could be bad together?? Or are they completely separate suspicions without teammate compatibility taken into account bc I would be very surprised.

See the glory of the royal scam

I trend towards if Jack is bad the other two probably are not. Jay could be a teammate withhjuliets, but I wouldn’t say that is a sure thing if one of them is bad they both are. It’s possible, but I’m just spitting out my gut readability independent of each other right now. I don’t believe all three are bad together, no.

How did she defend Juliets? I might have missed that.

Linki - Dunya is bad.

By uh...scumreading me.

For pushing Juliets. That’s the important part.

But how is that a defense of Juliets? I mean you can scum-read someone for a case they make on anyone, it shouldn't matter if the case is on someone you also scum-read. It's about the case itself, being flimsy and fake.

Didn't I scum-read DDL for his case on you, yet I also suspected you? I don't recall you having a problem with that, nor do you seem to have a problem with me beefing with Eloh one of my points being her read on Nutella, yet the latter is also a suspect of mine

[Jackofhearts2005]

I’ve completely lost my place and I blame Dunya.

[dunya]

sorry you're feeling crappy, speedchuck. don't feel like you have to play in your condition.

[juliets]

Anyone can be lynched on any day if there is enough spirit and determination.

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

speed, I don't understand why this comment was vote worthy. Can you provide a little more rationale?

[dunya]

Time for lunch.

it's 10.40am. you gotta wait till 11 at least for lunch. otherwise it's still breakfast.

[novaselinenever]

Time for lunch.

[VOTE: nutella] aubergine

Weak.

[MacDougall]

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

why would town mac give dunya an easy day green pass just because she hasn't said something "scummy"? other people have found things scummy in what i've said. i don't feel you're being genuine and the sarcasm on me was lost.

i'm not even here to play my hardest civ game, so don't tell me my "civ" is shining through. explain what gave you good vibes about me or this becomes as bad as elohcin's "green" to luna that everyone took issue with imo.

I clearly pointed at a post you made that filled me with feelings of civ sincerity that you didn't bother to reference. I asked you to give me a reason not to town read you after that. You had not done so at the time but I have cause to reconsider.

You do this a lot Dunya. You think I can't read you or something. The last several times we have played together I correctly town read you. You need to update your copy of mac.exe.

[speedchuck]

For real though I'm here.

I'm off the drugs and feel a little bit crappy. What should I look at?

jack thinks you're town. what do you make of that? in fact, you're his biggest town read.

Sounds kinda ridiculous at first glance.

Even if I have the towniest tone ever (which I'm pretty sure I do) is there nothing more substantial in this game than a tone-read?
That's not rhetorical. I'm asking. How much stock would you put in a tone-read, [mention]dunya[/mention], [mention]JaggedJimmyJay[/mention]?

[speedchuck]

[VOTE: speedchuck] aubergine

That's a good vote. Talk to me about him

This is a case where I'd prefer not to do that. Give it a bit first.

You changed your vote without doing anything with this.

[speedchuck]

Anyone can be lynched on any day if there is enough spirit and determination.

[VOTE: JJJ] aubergine

speed, I don't understand why this comment was vote worthy. Can you provide a little more rationale?

It was a joke.

I'm not as funny today.

[dunya]

For real though I'm here.

I'm off the drugs and feel a little bit crappy. What should I look at?

jack thinks you're town. what do you make of that? in fact, you're his biggest town read.

Sounds kinda ridiculous at first glance.

Even if I have the towniest tone ever (which I'm pretty sure I do) is there nothing more substantial in this game than a tone-read?
That's not rhetorical. I'm asking. How much stock would you put in a tone-read, dunya, JaggedJimmyJay?

for me it depends on who i am tone reading and what post i am judging. i feel like i can better tone read someone like juliets than i can someone like nutella.

[dunya]

shit guys, need a self imposed mafia ban after this game. i hate myself. bye.

[speedchuck]

For real though I'm here.

I'm off the drugs and feel a little bit crappy. What should I look at?

jack thinks you're town. what do you make of that? in fact, you're his biggest town read.

Sounds kinda ridiculous at first glance.

Even if I have the towniest tone ever (which I'm pretty sure I do) is there nothing more substantial in this game than a tone-read?
That's not rhetorical. I'm asking. How much stock would you put in a tone-read, dunya, JaggedJimmyJay?

for me it depends on who i am tone reading and what post i am judging. i feel like i can better tone read someone like juliets than i can someone like nutella.

Makes me wonder if I'm easy to toneread.
If anyone can, it's probably Jack. I've been mafia with him multiple times, and he's caught/bussed me before.

Would like to hear from [mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention] about it. Same question about tone reads in general.

shit guys, need a self imposed mafia ban after this game. i hate myself. bye.

Are you okay?