Dogs vs. Cats [END]

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@Epignosis I think that Jay is just about the only person who WOULD kill TH in that slot based on how TH was playing. I think you may be right about him after all.

I don't kill Turnip Head in his first game back here in 900 years either. Believe me or don't, I don't care. My first priority is always the website, and Turnip Head is a major part of it.

Do you agree with the notion that TH wasn't playing in such a way to attract a kill from a team comprised of people unfamiliar with him? If they wanted to clear the POE of people who looked good from the Rej lynch I would imagine that I would be a more optimal kill than TH because I have been more present and have a more forceful thread character. Would you agree with that sentiment?

I don't entirely agree. His low post count might make him seem by ordinary terms a less likely target, but like I said before -- he did more with those 8 posts than anyone ever has before. TH wins the Efficiency Socky for 2019. Killing a more vocal player is always plausible; many mafia teams are vigilant (sometimes too vigilant) about avoiding protective powers. So I don't find TH to be a surprising choice, especially in a game with people who don't know him. He was about to be the world's biggest town read.

[MacDougall]

Dragomir has my vote currently.

Why would Dragomir kill someone advocating for him?

People do stupid shit.

Dragomir has my vote currently.

Why would Dragomir kill someone advocating for him?

You should try the wine in front of you.

There's wifom and then there's pro-town. If Dragomir just lost a teammate and then his team and he determined that killing someone who is town reading him and scum reading me... I just think Dragomir is a better player than that.

[Dom]

Like we could analyze that forever...

Is it someone who wants Mac dead?
Is it to throw us off of Dragomir?

Who's to say?

[Dom]

I think night kill analysis with the lack of information we have currently is hard, at best.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Well the thing is that I can see a benefit to you. Someone reads it and goes "as if Jay would have written that if he knew TH was gonna get shot". So like the only benefit I can see is to you being town read. Yet you won't admit that's why you did it. If you had have just been "I wrote it there and thought by posting it people would town read me" I'd be inclined to believe you because I think that it's not beneath your town self to do things like that. But now you're afraid to say that...

It's not why I did it. I expected to come in here and catch a pile of flak anyway for the Long Con vote. I did analyses for everyone, and so I posted them. I don't expect anyone to read me as town for any of that, certainly not for a dead guy. It's my token move and nobody gives me civilian credit for it anymore.

[Dom]

Where's Long Con?

[Epignosis]

My vote is likely going to JJJ or Dragomir.

[MacDougall]

@Epignosis I think that Jay is just about the only person who WOULD kill TH in that slot based on how TH was playing. I think you may be right about him after all.

I don't kill Turnip Head in his first game back here in 900 years either. Believe me or don't, I don't care. My first priority is always the website, and Turnip Head is a major part of it.

Do you agree with the notion that TH wasn't playing in such a way to attract a kill from a team comprised of people unfamiliar with him? If they wanted to clear the POE of people who looked good from the Rej lynch I would imagine that I would be a more optimal kill than TH because I have been more present and have a more forceful thread character. Would you agree with that sentiment?

I don't entirely agree. His low post count might make him seem by ordinary terms a less likely target, but like I said before -- he did more with those 8 posts than anyone ever has before. TH wins the Efficiency Socky for 2019. Killing a more vocal player is always plausible; many mafia teams are vigilant (sometimes too vigilant) about avoiding protective powers. So I don't find TH to be a surprising choice, especially in a game with people who don't know him. He was about to be the world's biggest town read.

It's a sub-optimal kill imo. He hadn't even pushed Rej strongly enough to gain non bus cred imo.

Like we could analyze that forever...

Is it someone who wants Mac dead?
Is it to throw us off of Dragomir?

Who's to say?

It's worthy of discussion. Things stack up over time. Not everything is a "gotcha right now".

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Is it Mac himself? Is he getting out in front of it?

[MacDougall]

Is it Mac himself? Is he getting out in front of it?

I would probably do that tbf.

[Dom]

I agree, Mac. I'm just saying it's not changing my mind right now by itself.

[MacDougall]

Rej, as far as I am concerned your vote is on Dragomir right now. You're exploring ideas and asking questions, but the day is over in less than 40 minutes. Who do you want to lynch?

I have my vote nowhere for exactly such a moment. We can agree on doing the Long Con gamble lynch. Else my lynch would be wasted on others I feel, in a sense that we can't get enough votes maybe.
So my vote on Long Con should be bringing us forward.
[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

Gonna take a smoke, gonna check all 5 minute instances.

Dafuq is this

Rej/LC w/w?

[VOTE: rej] aubergine

Let's talk about Rej/LC w/w.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I suspect sprityo. What do you guys think of that?

[Dom]

I'd like to know why LC isn't posting shit.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

w/r/t Long Con, beyond the interactive analysis, I revisit the roles. How much should I care that Rej was the weakest mafia role? Any attempt by him to kill a teammate kills a stronger role.

[Dom]

I suspect sprityo. What do you guys think of that?

I can't name a fact about the player for the whole game without looking it up.

What does that say to you?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

People do dumb shit.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I suspect sprityo. What do you guys think of that?

I can't name a fact about the player for the whole game without looking it up.

What does that say to you?

I understand. He's done nothing. That's not unusual for him. My suspicion stems from Rej's posts.

[MacDougall]

That end of day reads like Jay coordinating Long Con and Rej to try to create the most distance between each other.

@Rej please say what you have against LC as quickly as possible. We're very short on time.

He is a fucking Arsonist

I'll vote Rej.

Do you find Rej suspicious?

And yes, he did actually try to defend Rej after all.

Rej could have saved himself all day by voting Dragomir. Instead he opted to push this Long Con wagon, which until three minutes ago was an unlikely enterprise for survival.

Maybe we're all Civ.

I don't like this.

[Epignosis]

bleh [VOTE: Rej] aubergine

But Michelle says Rej is Civ.

I am going to veto a Long Con lynch.

This post here is not Rej's teammate.

[MacDougall]

bleh [VOTE: Rej] aubergine

But Michelle says Rej is Civ.

I am going to veto a Long Con lynch.

This post here is not Rej's teammate.

What are you talking about, that is literally him using a third party to try to hard defend Rej? That's like the most teammate indicative shit ever lol.

[Dom]

That end of day reads like Jay coordinating Long Con and Rej to try to create the most distance between each other.

@Rej please say what you have against LC as quickly as possible. We're very short on time.

He is a fucking Arsonist

I'll vote Rej.

Do you find Rej suspicious?

And yes, he did actually try to defend Rej after all.

Rej could have saved himself all day by voting Dragomir. Instead he opted to push this Long Con wagon, which until three minutes ago was an unlikely enterprise for survival.

Maybe we're all Civ.

I don't like this.

I agree.

I don't think it's a good look for Dragomir either tbh.

[Epignosis]

bleh [VOTE: Rej] aubergine

But Michelle says Rej is Civ.

I am going to veto a Long Con lynch.

This post here is not Rej's teammate.

What are you talking about, that is literally him using a third party to try to hard defend Rej? That's like the most teammate indicative shit ever lol.

It isn't Long Con though.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

That end of day reads like Jay coordinating Long Con and Rej to try to create the most distance between each other.

Nope, just your everyday JJJ headless chicken EoD junk. I think I lost my Perfect Zen a bit there at the end. I need practice.

[novaselinenever]

Don't love nova ignoring my entire day one post history where I very clearly say what my beef with Drago is.

I iso'd you. You spent most of that day giving him shit for being stubborn and refusing to comply with giving reads. It doesn't feel like there is much else, you were quoting the posts were he was messing around that way with some bullshit "this is why I suspect Drago". There is no progression, nothing else. Feels like you just jumped on the bandwagon, and you've been milking it to have a scum read to navigate the game through.

Ah. I misunderstood what you meant by "Doing Dom".

Sure. I've been going hard after Dragomir. Does that seem out of the ordinary to you? Where do you stand on it? Here's where I'm at:

Drago was my top suspect during Day 1. Rej's lack of vote on him and the way the EoD went down do not lead me to change that belief. I'm open to other ideas, but I see no reason why I should be crucified over being consistent and having any semblance of logic to my thoughts. Rej did not vote for him. That does not make me feel great about him.


Also-- is nutella civ?

Going hard against him isn't what I'm grieving about. It's the for what and the how behind going hard against him. It's been mainly been about him refusing to share reads, and being stubborn. It doesn't make sense how strong and stiff your read seems to be when it's based on stuff like that. It doesn't feel real to me and there doesn't seem to be any kind of development one way or another. Seems like you just latched on to it to have an easy scum read and fake contribution. Like a robot lol, especially with the "this is why I suspect Drago *insert him refusing to share reads*" rather than it being about the content of his posts. It's weak.

That's actually something I think reflects good on him. Rej wasn't voting him, but Drago also didn't vote him. If they're teammate, I'd think they vote for each other in that scenario since they neutralize their own vote against each other. I'd like to know what you think more about his posts and the think he shared.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I actually thought Long Con was being at least a little facetious there.

[mention]Long Con[/mention] have a go.

[Dom]

Mac, have you flipped to maybe Jay is bad?

[novaselinenever]

GTH nut is civ. Her reaction EoD feels genuine and how she was flip flopping. Feel like she came in late without any prep and everything caught her by surprise. There was that post where she reacts to someone else's take on the Rej's/LC thing and switches from Rej to LC.

[novaselinenever]

Think it was Jay's post

[Epignosis]

I am going to have a go.

At the toilet.

And then bed.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

GTH nut is civ. Her reaction EoD feels genuine and how she was flip flopping. Feel like she came in late without any prep and everything caught her by surprise. There was that post where she reacts to someone else's take on the Rej's/LC thing and switches from Rej to LC.

Felt the same way.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Mac, have you flipped to maybe Jay is bad?

His vote is on me. U dipping those tippy toes in the lynch JJJ water

[Dom]

Don't love nova ignoring my entire day one post history where I very clearly say what my beef with Drago is.

I iso'd you. You spent most of that day giving him shit for being stubborn and refusing to comply with giving reads. It doesn't feel like there is much else, you were quoting the posts were he was messing around that way with some bullshit "this is why I suspect Drago". There is no progression, nothing else. Feels like you just jumped on the bandwagon, and you've been milking it to have a scum read to navigate the game through.

Ah. I misunderstood what you meant by "Doing Dom".

Sure. I've been going hard after Dragomir. Does that seem out of the ordinary to you? Where do you stand on it? Here's where I'm at:

Drago was my top suspect during Day 1. Rej's lack of vote on him and the way the EoD went down do not lead me to change that belief. I'm open to other ideas, but I see no reason why I should be crucified over being consistent and having any semblance of logic to my thoughts. Rej did not vote for him. That does not make me feel great about him.


Also-- is nutella civ?

Going hard against him isn't what I'm grieving about. It's the for what and the how behind going hard against him. It's been mainly been about him refusing to share reads, and being stubborn. It doesn't make sense how strong and stiff your read seems to be when it's based on stuff like that. It doesn't feel real to me and there doesn't seem to be any kind of development one way or another. Seems like you just latched on to it to have an easy scum read and fake contribution. Like a robot lol, especially with the "this is why I suspect Drago *insert him refusing to share reads*" rather than it being about the content of his posts. It's weak.

That's actually something I think reflects good on him. Rej wasn't voting him, but Drago also didn't vote him. If they're teammate, I'd think they vote for each other in that scenario since they neutralize their own vote against each other. I'd like to know what you think more about his posts and the think he shared.

I don't see why rej wouldn't vote for Drago.
And I don't really know what you want clarity on. I've made the points I want to about Dragomir. When will you stop badgering me about it?

[Dom]

Mac, have you flipped to maybe Jay is bad?

His vote is on me. U dipping those tippy toes in the lynch JJJ water

I didn't notice that.

I'm not, no.

[novaselinenever]

speedchuck, why Rej?

Because not Dragomir. Dragomir's current play feels scummy, but doesn't make much sense as scumplay on further reflection.

I buy Dragomir's response to pressure better than Rej's. Rej has been on edge since the first time he was prodded.

@Rej what is your absolute favorite thing ever about sprityo in this here game thread?

Gimme a break I cant ISO posts on mobile, can I?

Felt like a disproportionate reaction, hardly worth noting at the time. But it's escalated to the point that he has a vote on you, and that read doesn't seem genuine. He's banking all of his analysis on the one Persona game, which is fallacious as heck. "JJJ isn't doing things exactly like he did in P5" is not a case, it's a justification.

Speedchucks evolution seems well marked here. In fact, he never really jumps on the drago train very hard. Nova, I'm not sure your analysis is fully there.

I don't really like the "current play feels scummy", and how he further reflected on it apparently but it doesn't make sense. Like why doesn't it make sense for him? And where's that reflection at.

I don't mind that his initial take on Rej's thing here, but he seemed to soften up when Jay gave him some more insight on the Persona game and how it was the only game the two player together. It made me think that he didn't really buy his own stuff, and he just pulled Persona out of nowhere.

[Dom]

GTH nut is civ. Her reaction EoD feels genuine and how she was flip flopping. Feel like she came in late without any prep and everything caught her by surprise. There was that post where she reacts to someone else's take on the Rej's/LC thing and switches from Rej to LC.

Does someone more detail oriented than I have a tally of the votes when the nut switched her vote?

[Dom]

speedchuck, why Rej?

Because not Dragomir. Dragomir's current play feels scummy, but doesn't make much sense as scumplay on further reflection.

I buy Dragomir's response to pressure better than Rej's. Rej has been on edge since the first time he was prodded.

@Rej what is your absolute favorite thing ever about sprityo in this here game thread?

Gimme a break I cant ISO posts on mobile, can I?

Felt like a disproportionate reaction, hardly worth noting at the time. But it's escalated to the point that he has a vote on you, and that read doesn't seem genuine. He's banking all of his analysis on the one Persona game, which is fallacious as heck. "JJJ isn't doing things exactly like he did in P5" is not a case, it's a justification.

Speedchucks evolution seems well marked here. In fact, he never really jumps on the drago train very hard. Nova, I'm not sure your analysis is fully there.

I don't really like the "current play feels scummy", and how he further reflected on it apparently but it doesn't make sense. Like why doesn't it make sense for him? And where's that reflection at.

I don't mind that his initial take on Rej's thing here, but he seemed to soften up when Jay gave him some more insight on the Persona game and how it was the only game the two player together. It made me think that he didn't really buy his own stuff, and he just pulled Persona out of nowhere.

I don't see the point you originally made, though.

[novaselinenever]

I suspect sprityo. What do you guys think of that?

I got nothing there, what you got? TSP is my non-poster suspicion.

[MacDougall]

Mac, have you flipped to maybe Jay is bad?

I have an argument for it at least now yes. He profiles as someone I could see shooting TH, and dumping that interactive analysis in the thread reads like he is trying to distance himself from that kill via wifom.

He also hard defended Rej at EOD. Rej's reactions to him were a bit friendly too.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I don't get the scumreads on Dragomir. Sounds a bit forced by JJJ and novas, also it was quite a speedy jump.

Mac is looking OK

There was a thing with Sprityo and Michelle that bothered me. They just quoted each other and then dropped the D0 fluffing. It gave me a "picky" vibe.
I really wait for @sprityo and @Michelle post to deduct further about their alignment in the game.

Again about the above tizzy I feel like JJJ is town. It fits with his previous townplay of engagin agressively to collect as much data as possible from something, I like it and I wanna see more of it through the course of the game!

I am too tired to read a wolf in Drago or novas, in best case I want them to be town with us.

I will go sleep now, I hope I won't have to catch up that much pages when I am at work after I woke up.

@Rej what is your absolute favorite thing ever about sprityo in this here game thread?

Gimme a break I cant ISO posts on mobile, can I?

Anyway its first impression, besides fluff they show a readyness to set a vote or move a vote as seen when approached Michelle.
All in all Sprityo seems like one who tries to bait other players with fluff posts.
Gutfeeling is good. I didnt saw a low ammount of posts comming from them either when skimmed through.

Why do you see them as cat?

@Dragomir we must be the best mafia players on earth when people always try to get us dayoned.

Yare yare I come and I have to catch up as fuck on mobile.



Ok switch in scenes: I am sitting on the toilette and have time now:
@JaggedJimmyJay I was neither civ nor scum reading Dragomir. Until you bring me a vital slip I wont scumread Dragomir that easily simple as that. Get used it.

Back to JJJ : I feel you are way too agressive to get a clear civ read from me. I dont know how scum profits from this but we got 2 fast wagons started up. And I feel town does not profit from these wagons. We still have time and need to wait for some replies.

So I have 3 votes on me. And I threw soft suspicion on Michelle and Sprityo. I feel like scum is voting me up in hope that my wagon becomes stronger EoD when others join up to generate an easy mislynch.

I will revisit novas post brb.

OOOOOOOOOOOH, I didn't knew what "spew" means until I read your explanations below. Omg thanks, now I can read the situation better.
This is my bad and a new interaction I should consider.

As for nutella I don't find any scum tells or scummy approaches by her towards some other player.
Now I think Mac and Fayt are getting more interesting for me.

I can't get more reads at this point as I rely on Sprityo and Michelles reads.

I will look at Long Con and then I looked at everyone.

No need for Dom ISO, that guy looks pretty townish since he became active in the Drago suspicion train.
But I ask myself if @Dom has some other reads, like some read on Mac (bringing back Mac because I think Dom was asked about Mac before and he had no read about him back then).

I am torn between a pressure vote on Michelle/Sprityo and solidifying the lynch on Drago. But if I won't like the flip I will pretty much feel bad.
Another option is voting @Turnip Head because I feel they haven't given enough reads this DP to read them back properly.
Turnip do you have some input on others? Votes have been moved to Speedchuck for example. I didn't like how he voted me so I question @speedchuck if his vote on me is locked?


okay addition after Michelles read on me:
@Michelle I would always @ you, sadly we haven't played much games fully together, I often leave in the early stages. xD
I need more reads from you tho, and I sadly know nothing about your scumplay I feel.

Rej treated sprityo and Michelle like they were conjoined at birth.

Why

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I suspect sprityo. What do you guys think of that?

I got nothing there, what you got? TSP is my non-poster suspicion.

I suspect sprityo infinitely more than TSP.

[Dom]

Mac, have you flipped to maybe Jay is bad?

I have an argument for it at least now yes. He profiles as someone I could see shooting TH, and dumping that interactive analysis in the thread reads like he is trying to distance himself from that kill via wifom.

He also hard defended Rej at EOD. Rej's reactions to him were a bit friendly too.

I think you also profile as someone who could kill TH.

Why shouldn't I suspect you?

[Dom]

Why are you singling out sprityo and not Michelle?

[novaselinenever]

GTH nut is civ. Her reaction EoD feels genuine and how she was flip flopping. Feel like she came in late without any prep and everything caught her by surprise. There was that post where she reacts to someone else's take on the Rej's/LC thing and switches from Rej to LC.

Does someone more detail oriented than I have a tally of the votes when the nut switched her vote?

It was around 5 (Rej) - 3 (LC), made it 6-3 by voting Rej then 5-4 when she switched to LC.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

tbh the TH kill could also be in Dom's favor. How long has it been since they've played a Mafia game together? That would be a lame choice.

Obviously all of this stuff is subject to "but maybe the other mafioso overrode!". I'll consider that player-by-player. I don't think Epignosis gets overrode. I think Dom would be reasonably animated about it too.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Why are you singling out sprityo and not Michelle?

Michelle has already responded to me, and I think she sounds pretty genuine for the most part. I got nothing for sprityo.

[Dom]

GTH nut is civ. Her reaction EoD feels genuine and how she was flip flopping. Feel like she came in late without any prep and everything caught her by surprise. There was that post where she reacts to someone else's take on the Rej's/LC thing and switches from Rej to LC.

Does someone more detail oriented than I have a tally of the votes when the nut switched her vote?

It was around 5 (Rej) - 3 (LC), made it 6-3 by voting Rej then 5-4 when she switched to LC.

I find that more null than anything.
Nutella is good at hiding behind her waffles.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[VOTE: sprityo] aubergine

[Dom]

Why are you singling out sprityo and not Michelle?

Michelle has already responded to me, and I think she sounds pretty genuine for the most part. I got nothing for sprityo.

That tracks.

But... why would rej link them, then?

I'm just not sure what the point you're making is.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I really want to know what nutella thinks about everything in general. She can respond to queries herself; that's what I await.