Champions 2019 - Crisis on The Syndicate [GAME OVER]

[Dom]

math is wonderful

what TSP is doing is not mathematics. : (

[MacDougall]

“Math is scummy!”

TSP doesn't think I am a good lynch
TSP uses probability to vote for me
I flip town
TSP "well it was still the better lynch"
TSP gets to vote for a player he considers a bad lynch and abscond his personal accountability

He should not be allowed to do this.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

You guys are also being verrrrry liberal with the term gaslighting

I have a wonderful solution to this. You'll see it one day.

As long as it’s electric

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

You guys take this game too seriously sometimes, sheesh

[MacDougall]

Let me rephrase. He can do whatever he wants. But it should not be looked upon favourably by anybody who actually understands how to win this game. What he is doing is a specifically scummy strategy. If he was town he would attempt to cause the lynch of somebody he thinks is a good lynch.

If I am wrong for voicing this or your natural reaction is to mock me for it then I question how seriously you're taking winning this game as a civilian.

[MacDougall]

You guys take this game too seriously sometimes, sheesh

Sure, sometimes. I have moods lol.

[MacDougall]

If he was town he would attempt to cause the lynch of somebody he thinks is a good lynch.

I mean. Wtf.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

You’re right mac, I’m not treating this game Super Seriously. I’m treating this game as a game. Because it’s what I do with moments of free time to distract myself. Not really interested in the MAFIA IS SERIOUS BUSINESS AND ANYBODY THAT DOESNT TAKE IT SERIOUSLY IS A PIECE OF SHIT THAT SHOULD GO PLAY CHARADES INSTEAD approach

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

Fwiw my natural reaction to most things is snark or sarcasm

[Sloonei]

Spoiler: show

Convince me on tranq and michelle. I feel nothing about the former and townread the latter (though less so than before as I haven't seen much from her lately)

I can't remember why I thought tranq was bad. I probably was just piggy backing someone elses suspicions. Michelle is just not on her meta.

what is michelle's meta and why/how is she not on it?

I expect more from her by now in terms of reacting to stuff and asking a lot of questions. She's kinda like juliets in that she asks a lot of questions, and (somewhat unlike juliets) I believe that it pretty strongly indicates her town meta when she does, and she has a hard time replicating it as scum. I know she was offline for a bit but I still feel like I haven't seen as much as I expect from her since day 1.

Sloonei

Noted. I see you also compare her to juliets. I forget which game Michelle was scum in recently. Maybe i'll dig that up later. I'm distracted by america's dumb election results right now

Australian Murder Mystery is the recent game I played with Mafia Michelle. A quick glance at her ISO there suggests that she was perhaps quicker to level accusations in that game, with fewer than her typical amount of questions.

I don't know what this does for my read of her in this game. I admit that it's been a while since I looked at her. I gave her an early town read because she was not reminding me of the Australian version of herself.

[Epignosis]

Why is everybody up sig's ass? Holy shit.

!

Yes?

[MacDougall]

You’re right mac, I’m not treating this game Super Seriously. I’m treating this game as a game. Because it’s what I do with moments of free time to distract myself. Not really interested in the MAFIA IS SERIOUS BUSINESS AND ANYBODY THAT DOESNT TAKE IT SERIOUSLY IS A PIECE OF SHIT THAT SHOULD GO PLAY CHARADES INSTEAD approach

I'm not interested in that either. You can play exactly how you like.

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

[Sloonei]

have you seen my binders?

[Turnip Head]

Anybody got thoughts about ted?

[Turnip Head]

His vote is still on G-Man

[MacDougall]

Anybody got thoughts about ted?

I appreciate his existence and would prefer it to continue

[Turnip Head]

Anybody got thoughts about ted?

I appreciate his existence and would prefer it to continue

What if he just lived on as a ghost for a little bit

[MacDougall]

Anybody got thoughts about ted?

I appreciate his existence and would prefer it to continue

What if he just lived on as a ghost for a little bit

If he lived on as a ghost all game long I'd be happier

[Turnip Head]

Well I think he's a bit sketchy. Why do you like him?

[MacDougall]

Well I think he's a bit sketchy. Why do you like him?

Mostly because he's defended me. I don't see why any scum would do that in light of the hysteria about lynching me. Same reason I like you.

[Turnip Head]

I've defended you outright, has Ted defended you based on team affiliation? I'ma do some research later

[Turnip Head]

I don't remember him defending you that's all

[MacDougall]

I skimmed the Mac push and I want it on record that he does have a point w/r/t his other GoC games, I scum read him from his first few posts and questions in Inception when I was practicing my scum hunting and I am far from feeling him scum here

Although him showing his pelts is kind of a turn off

Hold on. If Mac flips wolf, Ted may have just outed himself as his teammate.

In Inception his posts stuck out like a sore thumb and he was forcing interactions with his scum buds that were honestly the closest thing to open wolfing ever since day one.

In here he just posted his thoughts and didn’t force anything. His questions in Inception also sucked and he had a general agenda of looking townie, whereas in here he does seem to go at his own pace.

'His posts stuck out...' - yeah, for you reading in retrospect, sure. If they were that obvious, why didn't he get lynched right away?

And also, context is necessary. Inception was a game Mac had invited a lot of his new Champs friends to, and he presumably had more time to play. I'm not at all surprised he's playing differently here regardless of alignment.

I honestly think you’re town and the push on you kind of makes me suspicious of the people on you.

G-Man has been a point of contention ever since day one, so has Radishes. Some people have expressed their reasoning for scum reading G-Man and yet nobody’s really pushing it, and the fact you’re being pushed over him, especially when people are claiming he ain’t done anything makes me sick to my stomach.

Lynch people that are scum.

Also, the case sig presented (which seems like the main reason people are voting you) is easily refutable by you asking in one of your posts “yo sig why are you voting me?” If you were Saitama you’d have known you silenced him so that question makes no sense. I am honestly surprised nobody pointed this out.

Especially going as far as to mention him, which meets a level of expectation of “why hasn’t he tried to engage with me / talk to me” which he couldn’t have done in one post before reaching a scum read on you. First ask questions, then reach a conclusion, and you having that thought is the closest thing to an easy derp clear like sig did on Day 1.

First, the tone seems too confident about Mac being town.

Secondly, why push G-Man as your counter example instead of me? I've been far more bandied about as a lynch. I actually don't know that this is scummy, but it's odd.

Third, you think Mac trying to engage with Sig refutes him being Saitama? I guess no one has ever lied in a game of Mafia before.


Honestly, this defence feels a bit straw-graspy and is also quite confident about Mac's 'town' alignment, and I question whether a townie would write it.

First, I think you’re putting a lot more stock into how I’m reading you when my suspicion was more of a “he’s not doing anything and has shit tone so i’m fine voting there” which feels rather weird. You even mentioned how my vote on you would express towards that, even though it’s not in these exact words, but this is essentially what you were doing as well. I wasn’t really scum reading you heavily because I had nothing to go based off of. I do have for G-Man. You started posting a lot more of your analysis, which was what my initial vote was based on, you not doing anything. I think this angle that you’ve taken is really opportunistic because I don’t remember saying anything about your slot other than placing a vote on you or calling you scum for not doing anything. This dichotomy is weird, do you feel like I should be voting you right here or? I don’t get it. It seems like disingenous posturing, you mentioned I was looking elsewhere while voting you, so I wasn’t really scum reading you, and i clearly stated reasons for scum reading G-Man and pushing him.

Secondly, yes, I think that posting is real and it doesn’t even matter if he’s Saitama or not, my point was I expect mafia members to know of each other’s actions so that just spews him not scum.

Going back to my point about G-Man, you’ve been constantly poked and when you started doing shit, people kind of either left you or voted you anyway, which probably means you’re town, whereas G-Man has been poked, he’s on people’s scum lists, people have actual reasoning to vote there and yet he’s constantly being avoided. People comment on how bad he looks and never hard push him. But people do push you though.

I mean, Mac’s play just reminds me of All My Circuits really, and me having an obvious scum read on him reading Inception and seeing how easy he is to be caught as scum, of course I’m going to lean the opposite because I can’t find anything scum about him in this game, so what’s your point?

Hi I’d like to introduce you to a concept known as the fake derp clear, have you been introduced before or is this your first time?

I would've perceived it as fake if I had a reason to believe he was scum. Which I don't. Because, once again, he has nothing scummy about him.

Jumping from me not having any reasoning to scum read a slot that I've easily scum read in the past to believing an alleged "fake attempt at derp clear because he's scum" requires some kind of mental contortion to get to that conclusion.

I mean you’re pushing something that just isn’t AI as a reason to TR mac, and it just isn’t.

My point was that I'm not seeing scum Mac here unlike his Inception game where I sniped his ass page 10 or something.

[mention]Turnip Head[/mention]

[Turnip Head]

Yeah dude that POV looks scum af. Like Ted's bad but he's not sure if you are, and leans towards you not being bad. He's leaning, but it's not a civ looking for another civ, it's a baddie making a gut call

[Turnip Head]

Just my opinion of course

[TonyStarkPrime]

Is it not the case that the entire case against Sig hinges on him swinging at Mac night one and then TMIing?

[Turnip Head]

He also compared you to g-man as if that's his pet vote

[TonyStarkPrime]

Let me rephrase. He can do whatever he wants. But it should not be looked upon favourably by anybody who actually understands how to win this game. What he is doing is a specifically scummy strategy. If he was town he would attempt to cause the lynch of somebody he thinks is a good lynch.

If I am wrong for voicing this or your natural reaction is to mock me for it then I question how seriously you're taking winning this game as a civilian.

this is right.
if Mac is scum this is moot I think but in either case if I’m serious I’d be spending more time trying to find a better lynch.
ironically Mac knows that I’d be more serious about it if I were scum.
But I don’t care enough to save Mac.

[MacDougall]

Is it not the case that the entire case against Sig hinges on him swinging at Mac night one and then TMIing?

No, he has strong teammate equity with both Sabie and Radishes based on interactions.

[MacDougall]

Let me rephrase. He can do whatever he wants. But it should not be looked upon favourably by anybody who actually understands how to win this game. What he is doing is a specifically scummy strategy. If he was town he would attempt to cause the lynch of somebody he thinks is a good lynch.

If I am wrong for voicing this or your natural reaction is to mock me for it then I question how seriously you're taking winning this game as a civilian.

this is right.
if Mac is scum this is moot I think but in either case if I’m serious I’d be spending more time trying to find a better lynch.
ironically Mac knows that I’d be more serious about it if I were scum.
But I don’t care enough to save Mac.

Quite quite quite the opposite

[MacDougall]

He also compared you to g-man as if that's his pet vote

I don't follow your point here?

[Turnip Head]

He also compared you to g-man as if that's his pet vote

I don't follow your point here?

Like why would a civ bother doing that. He's setting up a "suspicion" in the same breath as "defending" you

[TonyStarkPrime]

Is it not the case that the entire case against Sig hinges on him swinging at Mac night one and then TMIing?

No, he has strong teammate equity with both Sabie and Radishes based on interactions.

show me

[MacDougall]

sig & radishes (from page 3 of sig's ISO on)

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: Nanook] aubergine

I'll potentially bite the bullet to stop a tie if it comes down to it, but like I've been saying he's my number one choice and just generally meh on Nutella/Jack.

I plan to read over Radish when I have time to form a more cohesive opinion. He does seem blendy/not super active and his Nanook connection troubles me.

sig continues to kick the can down the road on Radishes. He's yet to actually say anything substantive, which continues to look even worse in the light of baddie-gate. At least this post acknowledges some negativity around him.

Radishes is incidentally named in a Michelle ISO. Okay.

A comprehensive reads list on which Radishes is listed under "Mafia lean". I am squinting my eyeballs at this post, sig. They are squinted very hard, so much so that my eyes are almost fully closed. I can't even see what I'm typing anymore. I'm also going to note for posterity that sabie is listed as a "civ lean" for, like, no reason.

Another incidental Radish namedrop, this time with implicit shade at people who voted for him. In a multiball game, chances are that every significant wagon is gonna have scum on it, honestly.

Spoiler: show

It's actually really funny that radishes is looking for scum in the Nutella wagon when he got just as many votes to be lynched

That struck me as odd also. I guess it removes the potential bias/OMGUS, but personally I'd look at my own wagon first especially it I was a civ.

This seems kinda like a more mafiaish thing so I'd like an explanation for why he started that way

On this historic occasion, sig acknowledges a point against Radishes in the Syndicate's 2019 Game of Champions. At least three other people had already expressed this opinion.

In one big post, sig ISOs a handful of people at once. This post produces four hits when I ctrl+f "Radish". All four hits occur in quoted posts from the ISOee's, zero from sig's own analysis. Just stating facts.

Spoiler: show

Holy shit.

Here’s what’s up:
Uhh
Nothing it’s been really slow the large post count disguises this fact

So absolutely nothing of work has occurred?

I'd read the jack/nutella stuff maybe even though we know results idk what page it started on but that's where alot of people weighted in.

People are pretty scattered with reads, radish was a top suspect so maybe read him over as well.

I'd also suggest reading N1 onward for sure.

Greets Dragomir (now nutella), and in doing so he frames the Radish suspicion in the past tense. Noted. Sig also is instructing another player to review the case against Radishes. Sig has personally avoided that case like the plague coronavirus.

In sig's Day 2 wall post (which remains commendable regardless of sig's alignment), he lists Radishes under the "MAYBE LYNCH" heading, saying that he "talked about him already" with an implication that he did so in an ISO post. I may simply be missing something here, but I don't see any such ISO. What does this mean? He gives a couple other tentative nods of support to the radishes case as well, but hedges it a bit. I'm not loving this.

And that'll bit it for Radishes. I'll do sabie tomorrow. Definite compatibility here.

@sig big question that you can address is where exactly you laid out your thoughts on Radishes, as you suggested in your Day 2 post. I don't see that anywhere and it makes your stated suspicion against him look like a puff of smoke.

Sloonei's read on Radishes/Sig interactions.

Allow me.

Sig's first mention of Sabie. Replies to Dizzy to provide some neither here or there thoughts but has her in her civ meta at this point.

Spoiler: show

Players who knows Sabie much better than I, please talk about Sabie.

I've got some experience with her, but not alot.

She generally starts slow and doesn't post much but doesn't post fluff when around. Right now she seems to be within her normal civ meta.

Also a Pre-ISO (minus Michelle) breakdown of my thoughts.

Super duper Civ:
Sig

Civ Reads:
Epi: Playing within Civ meta, active.
SVS: Good tone and activity push. I like how she clarified her Radish Slip thing seemed very civvie.
tedxtr: This may change after I ISO him, but based off D0/early D1 liked him.


Civ Leans:
Sloonei
TH
sprityo
sabie12

Null:
juliets
G-Man
Dyslexicon
TonyStarkPrime
Dom

Need more posts:
Colins
Drag
Tranq


Mafia Lean:
nutella
MacDougall
Jackofhearts2005
JaggedJimmyJay
Master Radishes
speedchuck
Michelle


Mafia:
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME

Tried to minimize my null reads. My Jack/Nutella reads are based off their back and forth so I really didn't know where to stick them, but they're both pinging me right now.

First reads list has Sabie as a civ lean, which is inline with previous post, but I suppose counteracted by the fact that she was in fact, bad.

Spoiler: show

Dizzy, Mac, SVS, and TH/Colins are one team
Gman, Sabie, Radish, and (???) on other

linki: Yea sure tunneling since there's just one team whatever.

Next mention is on day 2 and suddenly has Sabie on a team with Radish and G-Man. Fails to provide a fourth option for that team (because he's in it?). There was no explanation as to why Sabie was suddenly mafia to Sig.

Sig


Dom
Epignosis
Jackofhearts2005







NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME 2.0
Sloonei
tedxtr
JaggedJimmyJay
juliets
TonyStarkPrime
Michelle



Dragomir
Tranq




Dyslexicon
ColinIsCool
Turnip Head
S~V~S
speedchuck



G-Man
MacDougall
sprityo
sabie12

Suddenly Sabie is the absolute red. Even more red than me. Still hasn't really explained his read at all. Interesting to note that he has sprityo and G-Man here too. If Sig is team radishes, then I doubt either of them are. It'd be some bullshit to throw 2/3 of your remaining partners into the deep red here.

D1 Nanook is confirmed you dipstick

Anyways, sabie and Dom are likely radish partners. Possibly one between jay/SvS/sloonei as well cause syndicate likes to bus.

Why Dom?

The only other thing close to a Sabie discussion point. He replies to Nanook to ask how Nanook has rationalised Dom as a scum partner of Radishes. Fmpov it seems pretty clear, so I don't actually buy that he really wanted to know. More just wanted to steer Nanook down the wrong path. If Sig is in team radishes/sabie this is a good look for both Dom, and Nanook not being Radishes partner. Dom because this "Why Dom" would be genuine surprise, and perhaps opportunism. Eliminating Dom and Nanook as the final partner would be a good result because until now I had them pretty much locked there.

The worst thing going for sig being teammates with Sabie is that she was apparently deep red to him but he spent literally no time talking about her outside of readslists. Like not even a "I think Sabie might be with Radishes", just literally nothing. There was no explanation about how she went from civ read to scum read either. So explaining how you went from civ read to scum, and specifically what about her play caused this would be helpful @sig. I am aware you didn't have a chance to talk on day 2, but you did on night 1 and night 2. Obviously the implication is that you changed your read of her on day 2 when you were unable to speak much. I would have thought that one of your civ reads dropping to hard scum read would be something you'd enter the thread primed to talk about, but you instead have spent almost the entire content of your game attacking me instead.

Overall I'm a little torn because a lot of the other players that have radishes compatibility that aren't flipped (Dom, Nanook, G-Man, Sprityo) don't look very likely to be Sig partners. But as a Sabie partner he definitely profiles based on his content.

Sorry, S~V~S I am jumping in the shower and out the door to the gym. Quickly though, there were debates about Colin and Mac so I would look at them in ISO's if you can.

Thanks, Jules. I tend to have better comprehension reading thread exchanges than ISOs in general, I find I miss less nuance that way, but I will ISO them as well. Colin was a red read for me, but only as a default since I did not remember much of what he had said, and Mac was a red as well since he had not had anything to say after nutella flipped non-baddie, and his whole thing there reminded me of bad Mac (although I tend to baddie read him in general, so my opinion is not always the most valuable there), so they were both on my list.

Also, if there is anything I have to address, let me know.

Also, can anyone give me their take on why sprit voted for Nanook? Out of all the votes I see up there, that is the one that surprises me the most.

I was also busy yesterday but I had a chance to read up on what's been happening. Colin has been getting suspicion for not doing much of anything. A few people namely sloonei and spirit said colin often gets mislynched for this so they were wary of voting him so soon. TH said they're suspicious for defending him. I didn't see that as defending him as much as just being cautious of voting him too early without giving him a chance. I understand this because I get mislynched for my weird playstyle too sometimes but I haven't seen anything from colin that convinces me he's town. I had pointed out that sloonei and spirit haven't been their usual selves in the beginning of the game but I feel like sloonei has been more towny than spirit. Sloonei questioned me on my post and what I meant was if TH was suspecting him because of his difference in playstyle I could have understood that more than sayi g he's bad fir defending colin. I realize I worded that weird.


Sig had a big long post saying he was limited to one post and he thought mac did it. Mac disappeared for awhile and when he came back to find suspicion on him he was in full force mac mode and saying he's going to be mislynched and saying he won all these sockys so he is a good player and how could anyone accuse him and usual mac jokey stuff. He gave some reads and threw some suspicion at jack. I plan to read through his ISO and compare to some other games. He can be pretty tricky to read and as he pointed out he is a good player. I'm wondering if the more emotional mac is a scummy mac that got annoyed he was caught or just a civ mac being annoyed that anyone would suspect him.

I'm trying to enjoy my weekend but I plan to read through the ISOs and I'll be around in and out.

Sabie only made one post that mentions sig and she didn't offer thoughts about him in it.

The absence of a read and content about sig in general is quite odd given sig's shifting position on her. I would think that a mafioso would pay attention to an opponent that has a deep red read of them that earlier civ read them? Contrast how she dealt with sig with how she dealt with me for instance.

My analysis of Sabie/Sig interactions.

[Turnip Head]

I encourage everybody to read in detail those Ted quotes that Mac posted, and tell me if that's not a scum looking for a read on Mac while pushing a g-man scapegoat agenda

[nutella]

Is it not the case that the entire case against Sig hinges on him swinging at Mac night one and then TMIing?

That's not all of it. His interactive history with Radish and Sabie is nasty.

[nutella]

Yeah dude that POV looks scum af. Like Ted's bad but he's not sure if you are, and leans towards you not being bad. He's leaning, but it's not a civ looking for another civ, it's a baddie making a gut call

This is a fun take. In a world where Mac isn't on the Master team I could entertain a world where Ted is. Also yeah I feel like we haven't heard from him in a while.

[nutella]

Let me rephrase. He can do whatever he wants. But it should not be looked upon favourably by anybody who actually understands how to win this game. What he is doing is a specifically scummy strategy. If he was town he would attempt to cause the lynch of somebody he thinks is a good lynch.

If I am wrong for voicing this or your natural reaction is to mock me for it then I question how seriously you're taking winning this game as a civilian.

this is right.
if Mac is scum this is moot I think but in either case if I’m serious I’d be spending more time trying to find a better lynch.
ironically Mac knows that I’d be more serious about it if I were scum.
But I don’t care enough to save Mac.

[TonyStarkPrime]

This is a fun take. In a world where Mac isn't on the Master team I could entertain a world where Ted is. Also yeah I feel like we haven't heard from him in a while.

I encourage everybody to read in detail those Ted quotes that Mac posted, and tell me if that's not a scum looking for a read on Mac while pushing a g-man scapegoat agenda

Okay I’m getting lost in all of these nets but this definitely doesn’t scan. If Ted is scum, he knows that Mac is not. He doesn’t need to probe Mac to try to find that.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Is it not the case that the entire case against Sig hinges on him swinging at Mac night one and then TMIing?

That's not all of it. His interactive history with Radish and Sabie is nasty.

Meh. I have read the evidence and I refuse to admit that I might be wrong.

[MacDougall]

Is it not the case that the entire case against Sig hinges on him swinging at Mac night one and then TMIing?

That's not all of it. His interactive history with Radish and Sabie is nasty.

Meh. I have read the evidence and I refuse to admit that I might be wrong.

This is a really strange take for anything other than a mafioso exactly teammates with Radishes and Sabie.

[MacDougall]

TSP stock chart

[TonyStarkPrime]

Is it not the case that the entire case against Sig hinges on him swinging at Mac night one and then TMIing?

That's not all of it. His interactive history with Radish and Sabie is nasty.

Meh. I have read the evidence and I refuse to admit that I might be wrong.

This is a really strange take for anything other than a mafioso exactly teammates with Radishes and Sabie.

And Sig too? Congrats you caught us?

[nutella]

This is a fun take. In a world where Mac isn't on the Master team I could entertain a world where Ted is. Also yeah I feel like we haven't heard from him in a while.

I encourage everybody to read in detail those Ted quotes that Mac posted, and tell me if that's not a scum looking for a read on Mac while pushing a g-man scapegoat agenda

Okay I’m getting lost in all of these nets but this definitely doesn’t scan. If Ted is scum, he knows that Mac is not. He doesn’t need to probe Mac to try to find that.

Okay, any likelihood he's on the radish team then, in which case Mac could still be on the master team?

(Actually asking this, I don't remember anything specific about ted's equity or lack thereof with radish/sabie)

[TonyStarkPrime]

TSP stock chart

Fears of the coronavirus have taken clear effects in the market. The Fed needs to cut the hot takes rate significantly to deal with this.

[nutella]

Is it not the case that the entire case against Sig hinges on him swinging at Mac night one and then TMIing?

That's not all of it. His interactive history with Radish and Sabie is nasty.

Meh. I have read the evidence and I refuse to admit that I might be wrong.

This is a really strange take for anything other than a mafioso exactly teammates with Radishes and Sabie.

Lol

[nutella]

Stonks

[Turnip Head]

This is a fun take. In a world where Mac isn't on the Master team I could entertain a world where Ted is. Also yeah I feel like we haven't heard from him in a while.

I encourage everybody to read in detail those Ted quotes that Mac posted, and tell me if that's not a scum looking for a read on Mac while pushing a g-man scapegoat agenda

Okay I’m getting lost in all of these nets but this definitely doesn’t scan. If Ted is scum, he knows that Mac is not. He doesn’t need to probe Mac to try to find that.

Mr. Stark I know you're a billionaire Playboy genius but there's two mafia teams...

[TonyStarkPrime]

This is a fun take. In a world where Mac isn't on the Master team I could entertain a world where Ted is. Also yeah I feel like we haven't heard from him in a while.

I encourage everybody to read in detail those Ted quotes that Mac posted, and tell me if that's not a scum looking for a read on Mac while pushing a g-man scapegoat agenda

Okay I’m getting lost in all of these nets but this definitely doesn’t scan. If Ted is scum, he knows that Mac is not. He doesn’t need to probe Mac to try to find that.

Okay, any likelihood he's on the radish team then, in which case Mac could still be on the master team?

(Actually asking this, I don't remember anything specific about ted's equity or lack thereof with radish/sabie)

JJJ said no and Sloonei said inconclusive. I tend to lean inconclusive but I haven’t ISOed TexMex.