FTL Mafia [ENDGAME]

[MacDougall]

I am tilted by the fact that we have Jay and Sloonei in this game and the gamestate is so frozen the day after a scum flip.

It’s been really nice out and I just finished writing a 70 page thesis, get off my back!

No Sloonei, your purpose in life is to solve Mafia games for me.

[MacDougall]

I am tilted by the fact that we have Jay and Sloonei in this game and the gamestate is so frozen the day after a scum flip.

The flip gave us usable town points, but not as many usable scum points.

Is this a joke or can I attack you for it earnestly?

[Long Con]

I am tilted by the fact that we have Jay and Sloonei in this game and the gamestate is so frozen the day after a scum flip.

The flip gave us usable town points, but not as many usable scum points.

Is this a joke or can I attack you for it earnestly?

I'm sure my answer would not change your response. Unfreeze us with a glorious attack!

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am tilted by the fact that we have Jay and Sloonei in this game and the gamestate is so frozen the day after a scum flip.

I'm chilling and saving myself for the semis. You're getting this version of me for the time being I'm afraid

[Sloonei]

we've both done mass ISOs already and the peasants are still complaining.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I am tilted by the fact that we have Jay and Sloonei in this game and the gamestate is so frozen the day after a scum flip.

It’s been really nice out and I just finished writing a 70 page thesis, get off my back!

mine was literally 71 pages you underachiever

[Sloonei]

mine was actually only 67, i rounded up

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Interactions of Jack and Soneji

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Jack

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I figure we should give the bonus scrap to Soneji because we miss playing with him or a new player as a welcome present/wolves probably don't shoot the new players early anyway. There's three of them though, so I'm just gonna vote Soneji for scrap.

Good sentiment. Not super inspiring.

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Nutella isn't here though, so would Jack call this salad?

I mean, I think salad is a more useful tool against specific players who tend to do that, especially ones who don't know about salad and can consciously not do it. For Sig, it's maybe -5% off his townieness score. Not worth lynching for alone but relevant after being like "lol people are voting for Sig."

Soneji's question is a fair one. This dialogue is soft though so whatever.

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Soneji just claimed mafia

Morethepeopleseyebrow.gif

Yawn

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Nutella isn't here though, so would Jack call this salad?

Asking questions for the sake of asking questions.

Eh, I feel that this deserves a little push-back. Couching your own opinions in someone else's reasoning strikes me as creating
'distance' between yourself and your actions. The follow-up feels warranted to get Jackofhearts2005's actual thoughts/reasoning without basing it on outside logic that he's not claiming as his own.

I think this is a fair take.

I don’t suspect Soneji for asking me to clarify or think it was pointless.

This post is extremely beep boop, more than any other I see from Jack, and on that basis it bugs me for Soneji.

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Nutella isn't here though, so would Jack call this salad?

Asking questions for the sake of asking questions.

Eh, I feel that this deserves a little push-back. Couching your own opinions in someone else's reasoning strikes me as creating
'distance' between yourself and your actions. The follow-up feels warranted to get Jackofhearts2005's actual thoughts/reasoning without basing it on outside logic that he's not claiming as his own.

I think this is a fair take.

I don’t suspect Soneji for asking me to clarify or think it was pointless.

Those posts didn't age well though, given nutella is actually in the game now

nutella

Is this a salad?

Meaningless

Soneji

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Nutella isn't here though, so would Jack call this salad?

Asking questions for the sake of asking questions.

Asking questions to get a better grasp on Jack's position, rather than let him hide behind what other players would say about a post. This is called trying to establish someone's alignment through questioning, and is a good way to get both townreads and scumreads. Jack gave a solid if overly long answer to my question, so now I slightly town lean him.

The rationale is fine. Cramming "if overly long" in there isn't my favorite thing, as it adds negative energy to an otherwise positive comment -- negative energy that would seem to have no bearing on the final read. There might be some discomfort evident in that -- also in that dang word "slightly".

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Conclusion:

I think there's room for concern about Soneji, albeit stemming from very little content.

Tell me why Soneji is a civilian

[JaggedJimmyJay]

12 hours later

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]sig[/mention] what about this game suggests to you that an inactive player is more likely than usual to be a mafioso?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Alright fine. I’ll play hardball, because we have newcomers to the site who’ve heard nothing but how awesome we are, rightfully. We need to prove that reputation true with action though, and this extremely dead game will not do that.

Let’s engage, people. Play to win. And I swear to bob if I have to try to wake the thread up and then hear a bunch of “Jay is feigning investment in the game state”, I will get cranky and unpleasant. Let’s go.

[tedxtr]

Jay is feigning investment

[MacDougall]

Jay is feigning investment

Tempting proposition.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

He’s calling it an uninspiring read. What else you got?

Things that stand out:

Lon Con. Decent number of comments but a lot are arguing about his credit for the Jackofhearts2005 lunch. The beating of a dead horse is ehhhhhhh to me. Reading it back it seems very obvious to me that he isn’t going to get people to agree with him but he keeps going. Strikes me a bit as thread derailment, but it was a night phase, so I’m not actually sure how much merit this point holds since there was no lynch voting ongoing.

What is the message you intend to convey with this read? Is Long Con a mafioso? You seem to drift faintly in that direction, but you remove any clarity from the read with that "but" caveat at the end.

JaggedJimmyJay flips between calling Sloonei suspicious last phase to ranking him town this phase with no reasoning to the switch that I’ve seen. As I’ve said, I don’t particularly like rapid flip-flops on alignment with no reasoning behind the switch, it comes across to me as throwing things out and seeing what gets picked up by others and then moving on from the rest.

Sloonei is evidentially suspicious and tonally okay. I don't care about my flip flop. I may well do it again. What's your own read on Sloonei?

As it stands, your only clear read remains: MacDougall is town. That's not indicative to me of a player hunting for the mafia team.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]Sloonei[/mention] a mafioso corpse has existed within your reach for over a day and I have no idea how you feel that reflects on anyone. Terrible.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

[mention]tedxtr[/mention] you asked me about Soneji and I answered at the bottom of the previous page. Talk to me about that immediately or die.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I’m only on page 13 right now, but I will say these few things.

Civs can misread people and get things wrong and look bad, but still be civs. I am.

I came in and saw I only had a few minutes to vote so I went with my gut and voted Soneji, without even knowing a Jack was on the block. But I wouldn’t have voted Jack anyway even if I knew because I incorrectly believed him to be civ. I would not have so blatantly called my teammate civ like that if I were bad. I’m not bad.

I feel pretty sure you all are going to lynch me today anyway and I will guarantee the civs will regret it. I appreciate logical analysis but I hope you all can leave room for some gut instinct too because logic alone will probably put me in the bad seat for good reasons. But logic is going to mislead you this time.

Now I’m going to continue my catch up.

Yeah not a lot worth commenting on. Not bad but I fully expect you guys are going to roll with this easy lynch. Whatever man, bring it on, eliminate me and hopefully move on to lore fruitful topics.

Ftr I still really don’t trust Soneji.

Mindset disconnect

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I felt like Soneji’s EoD was fine with jack’s flip in mind

What’s your gripe with him, Jay?

What's "fine" about Soneji's EOD? What did he even do?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

People are here to help me wake the game up, but instead they just poke me with a cattle prod and laugh. Cranky intensifies.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I was going to vote for you for scrap, but now I kind of think Spacedaisy is a better choice because you sound like you are trying to pretend to figure out who is bad and who is good.

I have two questions for you, motobot:

1. Why was Spacedaisy the best choice for scrap?

2. What made you think MacDougall was pretending?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Well you already know it was ironic but since McD is obviously town it is concerning that McD is your only read~

This is a curious accusation for you to piggyback on given that in your own posts I only see two reads. One of them is the same!

- MacDougall town
- tedxtr mafia

I have no clear understanding of how you view the game.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

Required exercise for all players

I can't count on running live gun-to-head reads with a small and relatively inactive group. So instead we're going to do them as a take-home exam. Please quote or copy/paste the following player list and indicate for me what your most instinctive read is on that player.

You may not say "null" or "neutral" or "I don't know" or any such thing. You must say either "good" or "bad", or some other equivalent terms e.g. "civilian" or "mafia". Anyone who does not take part in this exercise will be regarded as the enemy.

ColinIsCool / JaggedJimmyJay
JiwonMeganPark
Long Con
MacDougall
motobot
Myo
nutella
sig
Sloonei
Soneji
Spacedaisy
tedxtr

[MacDougall]

ColinIsCool / JaggedJimmyJay - Town
JiwonMeganPark - Town
Long Con - Town
motobot - Mafia
Myo - Town
nutella - Town
sig - Town
Sloonei - Town
Soneji - Town
Spacedaisy - Mafia
tedxtr - Town

[tedxtr]

@tedxtr you asked me about Soneji and I answered at the bottom of the previous page. Talk to me about that immediately or die.

If it's the big Jack - Soneji thing I can't say I'm really inspired by it.

I thought the way he focused on sig last EoD was actually not posturing for a cfd there but merely attempting to discern his alignment. He didn't have the survival instinct of pulling something out of his ass in order to make sig gain more steam.

I am not aware of what the wagons were but if sig wasn't a top contender then soneji not even saying anything about LC in order to vote him in favour of his buddy looks good enough to me.

He looked relaxed at EoD if you ask me.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

If it's the big Jack - Soneji thing I can't say I'm really inspired by it.

I thought the way he focused on sig last EoD was actually not posturing for a cfd there but merely attempting to discern his alignment. He didn't have the survival instinct of pulling something out of his ass in order to make sig gain more steam.

I am not aware of what the wagons were but if sig wasn't a top contender then soneji not even saying anything about LC in order to vote him in favour of his buddy looks good enough to me.

He looked relaxed at EoD if you ask me.

Fair

Need errbody else in here saying things

[Long Con]

ColinIsCool / JaggedJimmyJay good
JiwonMeganPark bad
Long Con good
MacDougall bad
motobot who?
Myo bad
nutella good
sig bad
Sloonei bad
Soneji good
Spacedaisy good
tedxtr good

[JaggedJimmyJay]

MacDougall bad

Tell me more

[nutella]

ColinIsCool / JaggedJimmyJay Town
JiwonMeganPark Town
Long Con Scum
MacDougall Town
motobot Town
Myo Town
nutella Town
sig Town
Sloonei Scum
Soneji Scum
Spacedaisy Scum
tedxtr Town

[nutella]

MacDougall bad

Tell me more

Wild

[nutella]

@tedxtr you asked me about Soneji and I answered at the bottom of the previous page. Talk to me about that immediately or die.

If it's the big Jack - Soneji thing I can't say I'm really inspired by it.

I thought the way he focused on sig last EoD was actually not posturing for a cfd there but merely attempting to discern his alignment. He didn't have the survival instinct of pulling something out of his ass in order to make sig gain more steam.

I am not aware of what the wagons were but if sig wasn't a top contender then soneji not even saying anything about LC in order to vote him in favour of his buddy looks good enough to me.

He looked relaxed at EoD if you ask me.

I don't think this really means anything. There was no sig wagon at EOD. It's a non-factor. I don't recall anything about whether or how Soneji responded to the quick LC wagon and the cfd onto Jack. I don't know how he felt about anything at EOD. If he was around, I have no recollection of him being around, and he certainly didn't influence anything relevant. That's a problem.

[Long Con]

MacDougall bad

Tell me more

Just had the idea that this is a Jack & Mac scheme. Max sudden insight at the eleventh hour and Jack innocently not even knowing the lynch was up, while conveniently being several pages behind and watching Animaniacs... just all kind of convenient. Also Mac keeps listing me as town on his list while calling me scum in the thread, which makes no sense.

[tedxtr]

@tedxtr you asked me about Soneji and I answered at the bottom of the previous page. Talk to me about that immediately or die.

If it's the big Jack - Soneji thing I can't say I'm really inspired by it.

I thought the way he focused on sig last EoD was actually not posturing for a cfd there but merely attempting to discern his alignment. He didn't have the survival instinct of pulling something out of his ass in order to make sig gain more steam.

I am not aware of what the wagons were but if sig wasn't a top contender then soneji not even saying anything about LC in order to vote him in favour of his buddy looks good enough to me.

He looked relaxed at EoD if you ask me.

I don't think this really means anything. There was no sig wagon at EOD. It's a non-factor. I don't recall anything about whether or how Soneji responded to the quick LC wagon and the cfd onto Jack. I don't know how he felt about anything at EOD. If he was around, I have no recollection of him being around, and he certainly didn't influence anything relevant. That's a problem.

I wasn't there at EoD but looking through his posts before EoD, it didn't look like he had any scum agenda / knew that Jack would flip scum

[Sloonei]

@Sloonei a mafioso corpse has existed within your reach for over a day and I have no idea how you feel that reflects on anyone. Terrible.

I haven’t looked, so neither do I.

[nutella]

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[Sloonei]

the obligatory iso

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I figure we should give the bonus scrap to Soneji because we miss playing with him or a new player as a welcome present/wolves probably don't shoot the new players early anyway. There's three of them though, so I'm just gonna vote Soneji for scrap.

Howdy, @JiwonMeganPark @motobot and @Myo. Where are ya'll from and do I know you by any other names already?

Jack goes out of his way to single out Soneji among the non-regular syndicate players in the game. That could indicate something about their alignment. Jack might just be bold enough to latch himself to a teammate like this in the thread. I don't have to read it that way, and he nods to the other three as well, but this is a Soneji post first and foremost. Idgi

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Lol at Sig already having two votes.

Myo is my favorite player, 10/10 buddying accepted.

Mac seems civvie.
Nanook seems meh, this time I'm right I swear.
I wanna lynch Sloonie, for reasons,
LC, since I've gotten away from my roots of always lynching him and him usually, sometimes, kinda always being mafia.
Ted, since I never wanna lynch Ted and I think it'll be a fun way to start the game.

If Nutella was here, she'd call this salad tho.

The first of these posts makes me feel worse about sig. The second makes me feel better. Sig's list-style commentary is barely even salad-adjacent, and we now have confirmation that nutella would not call it that. I read it as an inflammatory accusation against a player who has a history of receiving disproportional scrutiny early in games.

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Lol at Sig already having two votes.

Was my initial reaction but also Sloonei isn't the type to just lolvote sig so he may have seen something there that I did not.

I feel like Sloonei's votes are pretend for the first 3/4ths of D1 and Sig somehow pocketed me in a game recently iirc. Covid? Like I'm just gonna let that stuff play out without worrying about what either of them are doing atm. Unless when I read the posts I've missed there's nothing else interesting going on.

Mirrored a lot of my thoughts Jack. Shall we dance together in honour of our failure to do so in the recent game?

Yeah and when we come to an agreement on who is scummy, we agree not to lynch them.

I don't understand this but deal!

The joke is we found each other last game...and then together, decided that Nanook and Boo were the mafia but they were both town.

This exchange does not exist if Mac and Jack are teammates. Mac is town.

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[VOTE: Spacedaisy] aubergine

Jack farts out an empty vote on Daisy.

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Me neither but they say something in here:
"Eat the grape, don't ask the vineyard"

What does that mean and who is they?

This post exists. Part of me wants to spend time dissecting that emoji, whether it conveys anything about the relationship between these two players. But I can't draw anything conclusive from that, I'm sorry. This post feels somewhat obligatory and I'm not loving Jiwon's Day 2 so far. That has nothing to do with this specific moment in the thread, but there's limited Jiwon-evidence in Jack's ISO and she's on my shortlist for today. There is no evidence elsewhere in Jack's ISO that he actually cared about this post.

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the problem with this game right now is that all the posts have been made by like five people.

hey everyone else, come talk about the talkative losers.

After last game, I’m willing to vote off quiet people. torturous endgame.

Colin, Drago and Daisy haven’t posted at all.

Jack also goes out of his way to advocate for inactive lynches. He is not incapable of bussing/distancing early in games, so I would not eliminate the possibility that he has a teammate in this pool. Especially if we consider that he's just paying lip service, knowing that we have at least one highly viable replacement waiting in the wings at the time. That's not a direct accusation against nutella (or Jay), just an observation about the possibility of a quiet partner for jack somewhere. That could be Daisy or Myo or Jiwon as well as either of the two subs.

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Nutella isn't here though, so would Jack call this salad?

I mean, I think salad is a more useful tool against specific players who tend to do that, especially ones who don't know about salad and can consciously not do it. For Sig, it's maybe -5% off his townieness score. Not worth lynching for alone but relevant after being like "lol people are voting for Sig."

I could kind of see this as an interaction between two teammates. Jack's response feels a bit stiff, in a way that I might expect when a pair of naughty boys decides they need to interact in the thread for optics. This post feels like it was recited from a mafia script.

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Hey all, just found out this game started. Just wanted to say hello before I go back and start catching up. Sorry I missed the start, I’ve had a rough week and honestly Thursday is my busiest day, so bear with me.

[VOTE: Drago] aubergine

Daisy shows up and Jack immediately moves his votefart to Drago.

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[VOTE: Long Con] aubergine

I’ll be the green ranger and Mac can be the red and LC can be a giant train monster or whatever.

Once Jack started to receive votes, he hopped over to LC. LC and soneji were the two somewhat viable wagons at the time. Jack never actually offered a read on either of them. This post also does not acknowledge any sort of case on either of them, nor does he comment on the votes he is receiving. This is a kneejerk reaction. I think it reflects well on LC, and slightly poorly on Soneji, though that is not essential.

soneji, daisy, and jiwon are the players I have the most direct concerns about here. Jay/nutella are indirectly linked, and myo could be as well. I don't feel like there's anything which points directly to any of those three players, though, and if there's suspicion to be brought against them it's for reasons not contained in Jack's posts.

[Sloonei]

[VOTE: jiwon] aubergine again.

Jack's vote for LC is a good look. I also have concerns about Jiwon which I have not stated yet. I'll make them stated in a moment.

[nutella]

Nah as the connoisseur of true spice I declare that paprika is bland af


[VOTE: sloonei] aubergine

[Sloonei]

Nah as the connoisseur of true spice I declare that paprika is bland af


[VOTE: sloonei] aubergine

yes it is

[Sloonei]

Jiwon concerns

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Who is long con?

I have never seen a player inquire about the existence of another player in a game when the mystery player in question has been active and present to the degree that LC has. "Who is long con?" implies that Jiwon sees us all talking about something or someone by that name and does not know what the hell we're talking about. But... there is a player named Long Con who is also posting in the thread. His name appears on the poll and on the player list on Page 1 in addition to his own posts. "Who is Long Con?" is a question that never ever needs to exist. I don't really know what to do with this, but it was such a bizarre moment that my reaction was to squint my eyeballs at it and consider that it could be feigned ignorance.

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sig / myo / LC is PoE I guess? Debating on jiwon.

Didn't read all of soneji's posts

If I was mafia why woulf I kill Nanook though~?

I asked for an explanation to this post and never got one. Jiwon frames this as though the thought of her being responsible for the nanook kill is completely outlandish. But I see absolutely no reason to make that assertion, so I don't know why it's being brought up unprovoked like this.

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I already said I found tedx suspicious and I have no idea about vote count last day so don't have anything to say about that.

"I already named a suspect, I've done my job."

[nutella]

did everyone forget about this game or something

[nutella]

Jiwon concerns

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Who is long con?

I have never seen a player inquire about the existence of another player in a game when the mystery player in question has been active and present to the degree that LC has. "Who is long con?" implies that Jiwon sees us all talking about something or someone by that name and does not know what the hell we're talking about. But... there is a player named Long Con who is also posting in the thread. His name appears on the poll and on the player list on Page 1 in addition to his own posts. "Who is Long Con?" is a question that never ever needs to exist. I don't really know what to do with this, but it was such a bizarre moment that my reaction was to squint my eyeballs at it and consider that it could be feigned ignorance.

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sig / myo / LC is PoE I guess? Debating on jiwon.

Didn't read all of soneji's posts

If I was mafia why woulf I kill Nanook though~?

I asked for an explanation to this post and never got one. Jiwon frames this as though the thought of her being responsible for the nanook kill is completely outlandish. But I see absolutely no reason to make that assertion, so I don't know why it's being brought up unprovoked like this.

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I already said I found tedx suspicious and I have no idea about vote count last day so don't have anything to say about that.

"I already named a suspect, I've done my job."

I don't think any of these are real reasons to believe she's scum Except maybe the last one, she was directed to the vote count record and still had nothing to say

[Sloonei]

Jiwon concerns

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Who is long con?

I have never seen a player inquire about the existence of another player in a game when the mystery player in question has been active and present to the degree that LC has. "Who is long con?" implies that Jiwon sees us all talking about something or someone by that name and does not know what the hell we're talking about. But... there is a player named Long Con who is also posting in the thread. His name appears on the poll and on the player list on Page 1 in addition to his own posts. "Who is Long Con?" is a question that never ever needs to exist. I don't really know what to do with this, but it was such a bizarre moment that my reaction was to squint my eyeballs at it and consider that it could be feigned ignorance.

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sig / myo / LC is PoE I guess? Debating on jiwon.

Didn't read all of soneji's posts

If I was mafia why woulf I kill Nanook though~?

I asked for an explanation to this post and never got one. Jiwon frames this as though the thought of her being responsible for the nanook kill is completely outlandish. But I see absolutely no reason to make that assertion, so I don't know why it's being brought up unprovoked like this.

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I already said I found tedx suspicious and I have no idea about vote count last day so don't have anything to say about that.

"I already named a suspect, I've done my job."

I don't think any of these are real reasons to believe she's scum Except maybe the last one, she was directed to the vote count record and still had nothing to say

The first one is more a moment of utter confusion that I can't place anywhere sensible, so I'm lingering on it as something that bears consideration.

The middle point is the one that resonates the most with me. It feels like Jiwon just wanted to use that line of defense and shoehorned it in at the first opportunity. And I still don't know why it is something that would be used at all.

[Sloonei]

I'd feel more comfortable voting for soneji today than yesterday. Daisy is still on the table as well.

[nutella]

I don’t see how that’s an AI derp clear but I’m going to hard sheep you this game so I’ll roll with it

I will sheep Nanook

Soneji, Dragomir/nutella, and Long Con have multiple votes.

Does anybody town read any of those players?

Nutella is lock lock lock lock lock town. The other two are specifically the two players that I wanted to be the focus of D1 in my path forward post. Which was always going to happen. Because even though people don't actually listen to me, they still do what I want.

I feel like I should sheep you instead of Nanook

sig / myo / LC is PoE I guess? Debating on jiwon.

Didn't read all of soneji's posts

If I was mafia why woulf I kill Nanook though~?

...Wait yeah I don't understand this at all.


[mention]JiwonMeganPark[/mention] What is your read on Nanook and how/why has it seemingly changed over the course of the game so far?

[nutella]

Er what was your read on nanook before he died lol. Basically what sloonei said, why is the idea that you killed him untenable?

[Soneji]

Lol at Sig already having two votes.

I wanna read this w/w so bad

Would be a funny on the nose post here if the team is Jack, ted and sig.

I think it's too wolfy to be a wolf but they seem like posts that wolves make anyway.

I have a bad habit of scum reading posts that I can't understand.

This wasn't really scum reading Jack but it just felt like...what did I just read

and it felt this way for a few pages now

I feel like there's no villager posts, I think Myo is maybe slightly >rand to be a villager.

In retrospect with Jack's flip, I town lean this based on tone.

the problem with this game right now is that all the posts have been made by like five people.

hey everyone else, come talk about the talkative losers.

After last game, I’m willing to vote off quiet people. torturous endgame.

Colin, Drago and Daisy haven’t posted at all.

Hey all, just found out this game started. Just wanted to say hello before I go back and start catching up. Sorry I missed the start, I’ve had a rough week and honestly Thursday is my busiest day, so bear with me.

[VOTE: Drago] aubergine

What's interesting about this sequence is that Jack immediately switched off Daisy upon them coming into the thread moving to another on the inactive list, but unless Jack removed it on the poll while not announcing it in the thread, Jack didn't do the same when nutella posted. He acknowledged he was voting for them, but didn't switch onto Colin.

I had multiquoted things that stood out to me as I was going and then my browser signed me out, so that’s annoying. I’m at work so I’m just going to try and recall as best I can atm.

1. I like the look of Jack atm. His vote for me, and subsequent move to someone else inactive is a method I approve of. This early in the game is the best time to vote for an inactive unless you have a solid reason to suspect someone else. I also felt like a jokey exchange between he and a Mac earlier made me feel like they are either civ/wolf or civ/civ combo. I’m leaning civ on both but more strongly feel civ vibes from Jack.

2. This might sound a little weird after #1, but I didn’t like the lengths sig went to explain that he wouldn’t normally vote an inactive but this time... etc. It felt a little like he was covering his ass before a controversial vote. Over explanation, if you will.

3. Soneji’s comment about sloonei’s “why does this exist” post felt kind of off to me. He called it clarifying, it didn’t feel like clarifying to me. It felt like an accusation. Also the rest of his post felt like a lot of questions that can make it appear like he’s doing more hunting than he actually was. Feeling a little bad about him, and possible he is covering for Sloonei?

Just a caveat, I was reading the thread at work, there is the chance I mixed up what was from which poster. I can’t look now because I’m headed to lunch and I’ve got a thing over my lunch. Those are my thoughts at the moment. I’ll vote after work.

1. Going back to this, I can't see how someone can approve so much of inactive votes early when votes are great for pressure in the early game. You shouldn't just park on inactives, it's a copout and doesn't move forward discussion. Daisy also left the door open for them to push onto Mac later.

2. It seems like he doesn't have reason to think inactive votes controversial with this crowd.

3. This definitely does feel more against Sloonei than what I did, especially given they were getting what I was saying wrong/not taking into account all of Sloonei's posts on the matter.

Their late vote on me was terrible and I only narrowly didn't get lynched over Jack.

[VOTE: Spacedaisy] aubergine

I give up, you get the point.

I will add that there probably is a world where I'm pushing the gas pedal on sig if Soneji flips mafia. His progression on sig is the one of a typical w/w interaction.

He stated something about sig, just so he keeps up the appearance of an actual progression to the read, when in reality, the fuel comes only at a specific post that looks sort of bad for sig, so it looks good for anti-spew, etc etc.

This is interesting, as it seems townie from the view of trying to make teammate connections that shows progression, but they also were calling sig/Jack potentially w/w earlier, and if they're mafia with sig then they're never actually going to follow through with this when I flip town. It isn't as bad in light of them being against my lynch later.

@Jackofhearts2005 @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME we must summon the Megazord!

You should know I’m torn between posting Power Ranger memes and just voting LC (cause his push on me was limp and Sloonei’s mini iso on him does show him being scummy) and you know, actually finishing catching up cause I’m only a f[mention]Jackofhearts2005[/mention]

Interactions of Jack and Soneji

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Jack

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I figure we should give the bonus scrap to Soneji because we miss playing with him or a new player as a welcome present/wolves probably don't shoot the new players early anyway. There's three of them though, so I'm just gonna vote Soneji for scrap.

Good sentiment. Not super inspiring.

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Nutella isn't here though, so would Jack call this salad?

I mean, I think salad is a more useful tool against specific players who tend to do that, especially ones who don't know about salad and can consciously not do it. For Sig, it's maybe -5% off his townieness score. Not worth lynching for alone but relevant after being like "lol people are voting for Sig."

Soneji's question is a fair one. This dialogue is soft though so whatever.

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Soneji just claimed mafia

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Yawn

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Nutella isn't here though, so would Jack call this salad?

Asking questions for the sake of asking questions.

Eh, I feel that this deserves a little push-back. Couching your own opinions in someone else's reasoning strikes me as creating
'distance' between yourself and your actions. The follow-up feels warranted to get Jackofhearts2005's actual thoughts/reasoning without basing it on outside logic that he's not claiming as his own.

I think this is a fair take.

I don’t suspect Soneji for asking me to clarify or think it was pointless.

This post is extremely beep boop, more than any other I see from Jack, and on that basis it bugs me for Soneji.

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Nutella isn't here though, so would Jack call this salad?

Asking questions for the sake of asking questions.

Eh, I feel that this deserves a little push-back. Couching your own opinions in someone else's reasoning strikes me as creating
'distance' between yourself and your actions. The follow-up feels warranted to get Jackofhearts2005's actual thoughts/reasoning without basing it on outside logic that he's not claiming as his own.

I think this is a fair take.

I don’t suspect Soneji for asking me to clarify or think it was pointless.

Those posts didn't age well though, given nutella is actually in the game now

nutella

Is this a salad?

Meaningless

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Nutella isn't here though, so would Jack call this salad?

Asking questions for the sake of asking questions.

Asking questions to get a better grasp on Jack's position, rather than let him hide behind what other players would say about a post. This is called trying to establish someone's alignment through questioning, and is a good way to get both townreads and scumreads. Jack gave a solid if overly long answer to my question, so now I slightly town lean him.

The rationale is fine. Cramming "if overly long" in there isn't my favorite thing, as it adds negative energy to an otherwise positive comment -- negative energy that would seem to have no bearing on the final read. There might be some discomfort evident in that -- also in that dang word "slightly".

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Conclusion:

I think there's room for concern about Soneji, albeit stemming from very little content

I put the part about it being overly long in there because it being overly long gave me a gut feel that it was wolfy in tone even if solid in content, so yes it did have bearing on the read given there and even more on my close to the vest read on Jack.

It would be funny if both Soneji and jiwon flip mafia and I railed both of them by commenting on that post of mine

How's your townhunting going ted?

Why votes have small aubergine after them?

It provides a way to quickly search for them within the thread if you CTRL+F the word "aubergine" (assuming you're not on mobile).

I mean who uses them? If you do that and search aubergine you will get like only 20% of the votes, it won't tell anything about game really, why would anyone use it?

Do we get to see who had most votes at end of night? Also I thought sloonei and soneji was same person until just before :biggrin

Slooneji strikes again. @Sloonei it's time :

sig / myo / LC is PoE I guess? Debating on jiwon.

Didn't read all of soneji's posts

If I was mafia why woulf I kill Nanook though

This is a common defense of mafia members to suspicion on them, and is just iffy logic. Just because you said you'd sheep them, doesn't mean you wouldn't kill them, nor would you be the only one making choices within a mafia team.

[Soneji]

Damn image messing up. [mention]Sloonei[/mention] it's time :

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We’re always lynching Space today, no EoD shenanigans por favor amigos

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ColinIsCool / JaggedJimmyJay - town
JiwonMeganPark - who
Long Con - who
MacDougall - town
motobot - who
Myo - who
nutella - being careful here
sig - who
Sloonei - town
Soneji - town
Spacedaisy - scum
tedxtr - lack claire town

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Yeah yeah I’m sorting the who sometime

I keep mixing up posts from Myo with Jiwon is it just me

I feel like they’re playing in a hydra but from separate accounts