Fallout 2: A Post-Nuclear Mafia Game [AMERICA RISES]

[Dom]

Falcon feels good too.

BoKnows should receive some attention.

I don't disagree. I just don't know what to give attention. It's all shit posts. I don't know this player so I don't know how to take that.

I kinda feel like, based on thread state rn, if Jess is scum a lot of her partners are low posters

Do we know how many mafia there are btw?

This I could buy.

I kinda feel like, based on thread state rn, if Jess is scum a lot of her partners are low posters

Do we know how many mafia there are btw?

I think I agree with this, if she had active partners they'd be simping for her and her biggest defenders are on "this is mostly NAI and I'm bored of it"

not just that but the only person actually pushing someone who isn't Jess is Dom, who *probably* isn't scum with Jess, lol. So, I don't think any scum is pushing outside of Jess

I mean there was the early LC push.

As I said in the post, it was about the nature of those attacks. There was little to no indication in those posts from Dom that he had even read my posts, especially in the post where he quoted me answering a question to say I dodged a question. Bad attacks with no thought put into them and absolute certainty coming out of them, all coming out simultaneously about the same person, the moment Dom arrived in the thread. Someone told him where to look.

You think wolves would see someone they think is an easy target and send the guy that just got to the thread to push the whole wagon on his own?

You didn't answer the question. Just because you don't know what "specific" means doesn't mean I am wrong.

[c4e5g3d5]

foresight accused him of lifting cases wholesale from scum BTSC

Check again. If I thought that, I wouldn't make special note of how people are finding a hundred different reasons to jump on me. The wolf chat only said "c4". Dom took the rest from there.

[Alison]

Falcon feels good too.

BoKnows should receive some attention.

I don't consider BK an innocent child yet, which means that he's >rand scum.

Have you seen BK as town before tho? He's been scum on all his Syndicate games so I don't get how you can say this

I have, in game... 2 or 3 of the hydra season on MU.

Oh I didn't know he played there, carry on

for context I called him obvious town the first time I saw him and the whole game suspected him and I was very smug when he flipped town

[staypositivefriend]

BK is the lynch today, ok?



Check out his ISO, compare it to Shadow Corridors & Spiderverse...tell me I'm wrong.

as someone who has no meta on BK, why is he scummy?

Check out his ISO from the Spiderverse game to this game, tell me what you think.

boknow's iso in spiderverse is full of pointless questions that go nowhere and overly confident reads that come off like TMI

boknow's iso in this game contains zero reads and zero questions

the main similarity is that his tone in both of those games is laid-back/relaxed - but i struggle to see that as being more alignment indicative than it is personality indicative

i don't think he's posted enough in this game for that type of comparison to work

[c4e5g3d5]

I kinda feel like, based on thread state rn, if Jess is scum a lot of her partners are low posters

Do we know how many mafia there are btw?

I think I agree with this, if she had active partners they'd be simping for her and her biggest defenders are on "this is mostly NAI and I'm bored of it"

Except I exist.

[Jackofhearts2005]

This setup is wack (up with ketchup).

[Esooa]

I wanna know Jess's current read on me, 90% for ego reasons

you are townier than i've ever seen you before. i have no idea what to make of that

i generally like your defense of me - the only thing that bothered me is how you kinda tried to have it both ways in reaction to sloonei's wallpost on me - it felt like you echo'd the sentiment of "yeah, maybe SPF is mafia" and "SPF shouldn't be pushed on" at the exact same time

but i do think that knowing that i tend to perform poorly under pressure (as evidenced by last night lol) and using that as reasoning to ask people to back off of me is a pretty towny thing for you to do in general

i can feel that there is something ~distinct~ about your approach in this game that is different from how i've seen you play any game before - and gth, i think that the fluidity of your playstyle in this game is more likely to come from esooa!town than it is esooa!scum - especially since i think esooa!scum would have a mindset that is slightly more rigid and maybe even afraid of changing things up too much

so yeah, i townlean you, with the caveat that i'm wondering if the reason you seem so towny to me is because you're playing with the conscious intent to get people to townread you

people town reading me *is* nice

[Jackofhearts2005]

There are totes mafia theme ideas I have that I could steal this setup idea from (Ie like 8 factions defined mostly by who they’re against) so I’m actually pretty excited to see how this plays out.

[Esooa]

TTTBAT

too towny to be a town

[falcon45ca]

BK is the lynch today, ok?



Check out his ISO, compare it to Shadow Corridors & Spiderverse...tell me I'm wrong.

as someone who has no meta on BK, why is he scummy?

Check out his ISO from the Spiderverse game to this game, tell me what you think.

boknow's iso in spiderverse is full of pointless questions that go nowhere and overly confident reads that come off like TMI

boknow's iso in this game contains zero reads and zero questions

the main similarity is that his tone in both of those games is laid-back/relaxed - but i struggle to see that as being more alignment indicative than it is personality indicative

i don't think he's posted enough in this game for that type of comparison to work

He's struggling to get involved in the game, I suspect cuz' he's concerned about getting tone busted by Kaz & I as he was in Spiderverse. So, he's electing to barely participate as a means of avoiding the same scenario.

[Alison]

jack is mafia actually. all he seems to do is pop in every few pages to write a post that looks vaguely game related but that falls short of actually advancing a real stance on any player

[Dom]

Shouldn't take long, he has few posts in both games.

I am going to go do this.

I wanna know Jess's current read on me, 90% for ego reasons

you are townier than i've ever seen you before. i have no idea what to make of that

i generally like your defense of me - the only thing that bothered me is how you kinda tried to have it both ways in reaction to sloonei's wallpost on me - it felt like you echo'd the sentiment of "yeah, maybe SPF is mafia" and "SPF shouldn't be pushed on" at the exact same time

but i do think that knowing that i tend to perform poorly under pressure (as evidenced by last night lol) and using that as reasoning to ask people to back off of me is a pretty towny thing for you to do in general

i can feel that there is something ~distinct~ about your approach in this game that is different from how i've seen you play any game before - and gth, i think that the fluidity of your playstyle in this game is more likely to come from esooa!town than it is esooa!scum - especially since i think esooa!scum would have a mindset that is slightly more rigid and maybe even afraid of changing things up too much

so yeah, i townlean you, with the caveat that i'm wondering if the reason you seem so towny to me is because you're playing with the conscious intent to get people to townread you

This post has me feeling lots of things.
1) I did not hate it.
2) I generally think these two are really reluctant to read each other as anything but civvie.
3) That is not a very baddie thing to do.

foresight accused him of lifting cases wholesale from scum BTSC

Check again. If I thought that, I wouldn't make special note of how people are finding a hundred different reasons to jump on me. The wolf chat only said "c4". Dom took the rest from there.

This is all conjecture based on nothing and just a way to obfuscate how vacant his play is.

[falcon45ca]

Jack strikes me as scum.

[staypositivefriend]

BK is the lynch today, ok?



Check out his ISO, compare it to Shadow Corridors & Spiderverse...tell me I'm wrong.

as someone who has no meta on BK, why is he scummy?

Check out his ISO from the Spiderverse game to this game, tell me what you think.

boknow's iso in spiderverse is full of pointless questions that go nowhere and overly confident reads that come off like TMI

boknow's iso in this game contains zero reads and zero questions

the main similarity is that his tone in both of those games is laid-back/relaxed - but i struggle to see that as being more alignment indicative than it is personality indicative

i don't think he's posted enough in this game for that type of comparison to work

He's struggling to get involved in the game, I suspect cuz' he's concerned about getting tone busted by Kaz & I as he was in Spiderverse. So, he's electing to barely participate as a means of avoiding the same scenario.

is boknows usually a high-activity player when he's town?

[Alison]

[VOTE: jack] aubergine

can we rack up some votes on this

[falcon45ca]

BK is the lynch today, ok?



Check out his ISO, compare it to Shadow Corridors & Spiderverse...tell me I'm wrong.

as someone who has no meta on BK, why is he scummy?

Check out his ISO from the Spiderverse game to this game, tell me what you think.

boknow's iso in spiderverse is full of pointless questions that go nowhere and overly confident reads that come off like TMI

boknow's iso in this game contains zero reads and zero questions

the main similarity is that his tone in both of those games is laid-back/relaxed - but i struggle to see that as being more alignment indicative than it is personality indicative

i don't think he's posted enough in this game for that type of comparison to work

He's struggling to get involved in the game, I suspect cuz' he's concerned about getting tone busted by Kaz & I as he was in Spiderverse. So, he's electing to barely participate as a means of avoiding the same scenario.

is boknows usually a high-activity player when he's town?

I wouldn't call him "high-activity" per se, but he's more than capable of contributing far more than he has thus far, and def capable of trying to solve, again something he's not doing this game.

[Dom]

foresight accused him of lifting cases wholesale from scum BTSC

Check again. If I thought that, I wouldn't make special note of how people are finding a hundred different reasons to jump on me. The wolf chat only said "c4". Dom took the rest from there.

@Long Con @Spacedaisy @MacDougall @Epignosis @anyone who has been bad with me
lol

There are totes mafia theme ideas I have that I could steal this setup idea from (Ie like 8 factions defined mostly by who they’re against) so I’m actually pretty excited to see how this plays out.

Very cool.
Do you have any relevant thoughts?

jack is mafia actually. all he seems to do is pop in every few pages to write a post that looks vaguely game related but that falls short of actually advancing a real stance on any player

This is a very real possibility with Jack.

[c4e5g3d5]

Fuck, fix:

what makes you so sure the votes on you are a conspiracy by teamed wolves rather than wrong town or unteamed opportunist wolves

I have nowhere said that there can't be wrong townies on me. What I have said is that there's evidence that my name was brought up as a target in BTSC, and there would be at least one partner joining that push.

where is the evidence

Read #631.

631 is not actually evidence that there are teamed wolves pushing you

for one I have a strong townread on dom and am not convinced at all that the votes on you are a conspiracy, but even if we grant that you are right that dom is looking for reasons to attack you, there is nothing to say that they were concocted in scumchat or that scumchat has other people voting you (as opposed to just giving dom talking points)

As I said in the post, it was about the nature of those attacks. There was little to no indication in those posts from Dom that he had even read my posts, especially in the post where he quoted me answering a question to say I dodged a question. Bad attacks with no thought put into them and absolute certainty coming out of them, all coming out simultaneously about the same person, the moment Dom arrived in the thread. Someone told him where to look.

You think wolves would see someone they think is an easy target and send the guy that just got to the thread to push the whole wagon on his own?

I think if you believe that someone is showing up to repeat words put in his mouth by someone else, that makes more sense if they're the designated messenger, whereas if that someone else was already on the wagon, they would be the first to recite that case and just tell dom to smile and agree.

Eh, all depends how much detail you think wolves would put into their gameplan 6 hours in.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Not yet. I’ll let you know when I’ve caught up.

[c4e5g3d5]

you are townier than i've ever seen you before. i have no idea what to make of that

I know exactly what to make of that.

[staypositivefriend]

A looooooooooooot of players were around last night when I voted spf.
No one really jumped on to it.

If spf were civ I'd imagine a baddie or two might hop right on.

This sounds reasonable.

I kinda tldr all of Sloonei's case for SPF isn't townie enough. Probably later.

^^this is the only post that i actively dislike from jack

not sure if i could articulate why

[Esooa]

btw, does anyone remember a single content-ful post ChopChop has made

I just looked and he has 33 posts and I remember none

[Alison]

A looooooooooooot of players were around last night when I voted spf.
No one really jumped on to it.

If spf were civ I'd imagine a baddie or two might hop right on.

This sounds reasonable.

I kinda tldr all of Sloonei's case for SPF isn't townie enough. Probably later.

^^this is the only post that i actively dislike from jack

not sure if i could articulate why

my main concern is the noise to signal ratio

like he's just active lurking if you iso him and look at the totality of his content

[Alison]

he's clearly not full lurking because he's in touch with the thread goings-on, but he also doesn't have any opinions or pushes or anything. he's just active lurking.

[falcon45ca]

[VOTE: VOTE JACK] aubergine

[falcon45ca]

BK's a better option IMO

[staypositivefriend]

BK is the lynch today, ok?



Check out his ISO, compare it to Shadow Corridors & Spiderverse...tell me I'm wrong.

as someone who has no meta on BK, why is he scummy?

Check out his ISO from the Spiderverse game to this game, tell me what you think.

boknow's iso in spiderverse is full of pointless questions that go nowhere and overly confident reads that come off like TMI

boknow's iso in this game contains zero reads and zero questions

the main similarity is that his tone in both of those games is laid-back/relaxed - but i struggle to see that as being more alignment indicative than it is personality indicative

i don't think he's posted enough in this game for that type of comparison to work

He's struggling to get involved in the game, I suspect cuz' he's concerned about getting tone busted by Kaz & I as he was in Spiderverse. So, he's electing to barely participate as a means of avoiding the same scenario.

is boknows usually a high-activity player when he's town?

I wouldn't call him "high-activity" per se, but he's more than capable of contributing far more than he has thus far, and def capable of trying to solve, again something he's not doing this game.

interesting. i feel like the game is still enough in the early stages (ie: less than 24 hours in) for me to feel a bit uncomfortable with getting anything alignment indicative out of a persons lack of interest in the game - especially if i don't have a frame of reference for how active/invested they typically are. i think your reasoning against him is useful in the sense that it sounds self-resolving - if he is trying to avoid being ~tone busted~, then it's probably going to become more obvious in the next ~24 hoursish if he continues to show any lack of investment or interest

anyone else youre actively worried about right now?

[c4e5g3d5]

As I said in the post, it was about the nature of those attacks. There was little to no indication in those posts from Dom that he had even read my posts, especially in the post where he quoted me answering a question to say I dodged a question. Bad attacks with no thought put into them and absolute certainty coming out of them, all coming out simultaneously about the same person, the moment Dom arrived in the thread. Someone told him where to look.

You think wolves would see someone they think is an easy target and send the guy that just got to the thread to push the whole wagon on his own?

You didn't answer the question. Just because you don't know what "specific" means doesn't mean I am wrong.

Alright fuck this here's some receipts.

Holy fuck are you forced to talk like this or something?

Anyway, ISO me and you should find it pretty quickly.

"Hopefully they'll answer my question"
"no ( : <3"

Above: Epi asks a question.
Middle: I answer the question.
Below: "You didn't answer the question."

Tell me how that is not what happened here before you continue.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Page 1:

I don’t like either Urist (phone: did you mean “austistic?” Me: >:-( ) or Heehokun’s wall posts. Especially Heehokun’s. Both feel like way too much.

[Jackofhearts2005]

KZA probably town. I don’t know their wolf game but they’re unstiff.

[falcon45ca]

as someone who has no meta on BK, why is he scummy?

Check out his ISO from the Spiderverse game to this game, tell me what you think.

boknow's iso in spiderverse is full of pointless questions that go nowhere and overly confident reads that come off like TMI

boknow's iso in this game contains zero reads and zero questions

the main similarity is that his tone in both of those games is laid-back/relaxed - but i struggle to see that as being more alignment indicative than it is personality indicative

i don't think he's posted enough in this game for that type of comparison to work

He's struggling to get involved in the game, I suspect cuz' he's concerned about getting tone busted by Kaz & I as he was in Spiderverse. So, he's electing to barely participate as a means of avoiding the same scenario.

is boknows usually a high-activity player when he's town?

I wouldn't call him "high-activity" per se, but he's more than capable of contributing far more than he has thus far, and def capable of trying to solve, again something he's not doing this game.

interesting. i feel like the game is still enough in the early stages (ie: less than 24 hours in) for me to feel a bit uncomfortable with getting anything alignment indicative out of a persons lack of interest in the game - especially if i don't have a frame of reference for how active/invested they typically are. i think your reasoning against him is useful in the sense that it sounds self-resolving - if he is trying to avoid being ~tone busted~, then it's probably going to become more obvious in the next ~24 hoursish if he continues to show any lack of investment or interest

anyone else youre actively worried about right now?

Jack is lynch worthy IMO.


Grogu is also lookin' slimey

[Jackofhearts2005]

Rej probably a wolf for that opening gif.

I’m really good at mafia fyi.

[staypositivefriend]

A looooooooooooot of players were around last night when I voted spf.
No one really jumped on to it.

If spf were civ I'd imagine a baddie or two might hop right on.

This sounds reasonable.

I kinda tldr all of Sloonei's case for SPF isn't townie enough. Probably later.

^^this is the only post that i actively dislike from jack

not sure if i could articulate why

my main concern is the noise to signal ratio

like he's just active lurking if you iso him and look at the totality of his content

i get what you mean

after thinking about it, there are two things about that post from jack that i dislike:

1. i dislike that jack has a strong opinion about the dynamic surrounding the early momentum on me in the same post where he admits to "skimming" and not having an opinion about the "case" against me

2. i dislike that jack promises more content in the future - this is an incredibly nitpicky point but i've just noticed that scum have a tendency to talk about all the stuff that they're "going" to do in the future

like, when i'm scum, i feel pressured to give my opinion on ~~everything~~, so it's pretty common for me to make posts that say: "i'll probably do this later" if i want to sidestep a point while still looking like i'm engaged in the solving process

and jack doing that "sidestep" while still seeming to have an opinion about the dynamics of the pressure on me just rubs me the wrong way a bit

[Jackofhearts2005]

You couldn’t lynch me if you tried and even if I let you, I’d get rezzed if that’s in the setup.

[Jackofhearts2005]

Well I dislike your face.

[staypositivefriend]

Well I dislike your face.

cold hearted!

also hi jack, nice to play w/you again (even if you rand'd wolf)

[Alison]

the real clincher is #817 and #819, in which two people (who I think are both town, btw) call him out for lack of game related activity, and he brushes them off with jokes intended to deflect attention.

now I see he has conveniently started his catchup - complete with a barrage of hot takes with no reasoning attached - coincidentally right after I start a wagon on him for active lurking.

[BoKnows]

BK is prolly just Mafia guys, he has no idea how to get in to the thread

I could see this. @BoKnows please feel free to tell us what your thoughts are on anything at all in this game right now.

hi tom brady

[staypositivefriend]

Check out his ISO from the Spiderverse game to this game, tell me what you think.

boknow's iso in spiderverse is full of pointless questions that go nowhere and overly confident reads that come off like TMI

boknow's iso in this game contains zero reads and zero questions

the main similarity is that his tone in both of those games is laid-back/relaxed - but i struggle to see that as being more alignment indicative than it is personality indicative

i don't think he's posted enough in this game for that type of comparison to work

He's struggling to get involved in the game, I suspect cuz' he's concerned about getting tone busted by Kaz & I as he was in Spiderverse. So, he's electing to barely participate as a means of avoiding the same scenario.

is boknows usually a high-activity player when he's town?

I wouldn't call him "high-activity" per se, but he's more than capable of contributing far more than he has thus far, and def capable of trying to solve, again something he's not doing this game.

interesting. i feel like the game is still enough in the early stages (ie: less than 24 hours in) for me to feel a bit uncomfortable with getting anything alignment indicative out of a persons lack of interest in the game - especially if i don't have a frame of reference for how active/invested they typically are. i think your reasoning against him is useful in the sense that it sounds self-resolving - if he is trying to avoid being ~tone busted~, then it's probably going to become more obvious in the next ~24 hoursish if he continues to show any lack of investment or interest

anyone else youre actively worried about right now?

Jack is lynch worthy IMO.


Grogu is also lookin' slimey

why is grogu lookin' slimey? is it just the lack of content? i thought his early posts were fine even if they lacked substance

[Alison]

BK's a better option IMO

I think jack is more likely a hit

[Dom]

A looooooooooooot of players were around last night when I voted spf.
No one really jumped on to it.

If spf were civ I'd imagine a baddie or two might hop right on.

This sounds reasonable.

I kinda tldr all of Sloonei's case for SPF isn't townie enough. Probably later.

^^this is the only post that i actively dislike from jack

not sure if i could articulate why

To be fair he immediately disagreed with it right after.

btw, does anyone remember a single content-ful post ChopChop has made

I just looked and he has 33 posts and I remember none

BK's a better option IMO

I just read the posts from spidergame and I didn't see much there either. More, but not much.
Am I just unfamiliar?

As I said in the post, it was about the nature of those attacks. There was little to no indication in those posts from Dom that he had even read my posts, especially in the post where he quoted me answering a question to say I dodged a question. Bad attacks with no thought put into them and absolute certainty coming out of them, all coming out simultaneously about the same person, the moment Dom arrived in the thread. Someone told him where to look.

You think wolves would see someone they think is an easy target and send the guy that just got to the thread to push the whole wagon on his own?

You didn't answer the question. Just because you don't know what "specific" means doesn't mean I am wrong.

Alright fuck this here's some receipts.

Holy fuck are you forced to talk like this or something?

Anyway, ISO me and you should find it pretty quickly.

"Hopefully they'll answer my question"
"no ( : <3"

Above: Epi asks a question.
Middle: I answer the question.
Below: "You didn't answer the question."

Tell me how that is not what happened here before you continue.

You literally say "go read my iso" instead of just answering the question.

This isn't even the thing I said you were vague about. Like you are just pulling shit out of your ass.

[Jackofhearts2005]

having a real shit day so here's some slank cover

Better now?

[Jackofhearts2005]

Well I dislike your face.

cold hearted!

also hi jack, nice to play w/you again (even if you rand'd wolf)

[Dom]

BK is prolly just Mafia guys, he has no idea how to get in to the thread

I could see this. @BoKnows please feel free to tell us what your thoughts are on anything at all in this game right now.

hi tom brady

I wasn't feeling much about BoKnows until he showed up the second he was talked about lol

[BoKnows]

Anyone have the sparknotes of the first 20 pages?

[staypositivefriend]

A looooooooooooot of players were around last night when I voted spf.
No one really jumped on to it.

If spf were civ I'd imagine a baddie or two might hop right on.

This sounds reasonable.

I kinda tldr all of Sloonei's case for SPF isn't townie enough. Probably later.

^^this is the only post that i actively dislike from jack

not sure if i could articulate why

To be fair he immediately disagreed with it right after.

that's true - it's just odd to me that jack had an opinion about the dynamics of the momentum on me at all before he had a stance or an opinion on me

like, one usually comes before the other. it's not inherently wolfy for jack to have an opinion about wagon dynamics without having an opinion about the wagons themselves - it's just distinct from the type of thought process that i typically expect to come from a town mindset

[Urist]

Alison, esooa, grogu, nanook, dom, mac, chopchop, sloonei, falcon, epi, tsp all seem townish in roughly that order

C4 still obviously maf
Poison still maf
Spf still maf

[falcon45ca]

boknow's iso in spiderverse is full of pointless questions that go nowhere and overly confident reads that come off like TMI

boknow's iso in this game contains zero reads and zero questions

the main similarity is that his tone in both of those games is laid-back/relaxed - but i struggle to see that as being more alignment indicative than it is personality indicative

i don't think he's posted enough in this game for that type of comparison to work

He's struggling to get involved in the game, I suspect cuz' he's concerned about getting tone busted by Kaz & I as he was in Spiderverse. So, he's electing to barely participate as a means of avoiding the same scenario.

is boknows usually a high-activity player when he's town?

I wouldn't call him "high-activity" per se, but he's more than capable of contributing far more than he has thus far, and def capable of trying to solve, again something he's not doing this game.

interesting. i feel like the game is still enough in the early stages (ie: less than 24 hours in) for me to feel a bit uncomfortable with getting anything alignment indicative out of a persons lack of interest in the game - especially if i don't have a frame of reference for how active/invested they typically are. i think your reasoning against him is useful in the sense that it sounds self-resolving - if he is trying to avoid being ~tone busted~, then it's probably going to become more obvious in the next ~24 hoursish if he continues to show any lack of investment or interest

anyone else youre actively worried about right now?

Jack is lynch worthy IMO.


Grogu is also lookin' slimey

why is grogu lookin' slimey? is it just the lack of content? i thought his early posts were fine even if they lacked substance

Grogu's comment to mac about "sorry we're not on the same team" is one thing, his vote on Alison w/ no reasoning is another.



Rej is another player I'm suspect of as well

[Urist]

^ more of a note to self than anything tbh

[BoKnows]

BK is prolly just Mafia guys, he has no idea how to get in to the thread

I could see this. @BoKnows please feel free to tell us what your thoughts are on anything at all in this game right now.

hi tom brady

I wasn't feeling much about BoKnows until he showed up the second he was talked about lol

dumb luck at it's finest