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Re: Magic the Gathering Mafia - Day 2

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MacDougall wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:31 am
Guillotine wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:29 am
MacDougall wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:27 am
Guillotine wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:26 am
MacDougall wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:24 am
Guillotine wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:22 am
MacDougall wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:21 am

What's PtF?
Punish the Fool! Mafia's anti claim mechanic.
No soup kills or any sort of punishment for claiming. Role claiming and info dumping completely safe.
Take a look at the mafia factional cards.
Wolfy awareness of mafia powers
Yah... that are posted publicly.... to the thread.

Mac is scum here then. He is never a derp, he is faking it.
Im mafia because I didn't know what the wolf powers were? Strong strong logic.
don't pull a grogu on us now ok

you dont have the cute baby yoda avatar to pull it off like he did
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Epignosis wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:32 am
falcon45ca wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:29 am Epi, why would you give Guillo 6 mana? Was there a post he made that led you to believe he needed mana?
No.
were you sure he was town then?
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dunya wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:42 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 9:56 pm Nah. My shot didn't kill the player, I misread the mana requirements, and couldn't use the kicker.
if you tell us who, don't disclose how much damage pls.

i hope when i catch up you havent said both
He did disclose the damage
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Marmot wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 12:59 am What do you think of 112/esooa?
I agree that her usual scumhunting game is not here, but im not sure it's because she is just demotivated or scum. She helped a lot to understand the mechanics of this game though, i feel scum would try to do just the opposite, scum would try to confuse us more and if not, at least they wouldn't help us get clarity about how shit works? After all, our weakness is being uninformed.
There is a person who can answer mechanical questions.

That person is tutuu.

I will be handing out zero credit for answering mechanical questions.
What did you think about my comment and Kyle’s vomment about you feeling kind of pocketing on D1?
kyle was clearly joking about his comment.
I don't believe so. I think he was half joking half bringing it to our attention. Just like i did prior to his.
dunya wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:00 pm
Guillotine wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 11:49 pm
Epignosis wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 11:48 pm I am about to give six mana to the next winner. Hopefully the next winner will prove more grateful and useful.
Yah yah yah, uhuh uhuh
why are you denying that you got mana last night?
I am not, i actually claimed it at day start. But if i got mana from someone and wanted not to disclose it, i would because i fucking can.
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Urist wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:16 am
Guillotine wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:15 am Urist cant wait to find a way to yeet me. First it was the pictures now the way i vote seeking for reactions.

[VOTE: Urist] aubergine
Scummy is as scummy does.
Nice self reflection there buddy. Kind of defeatist attitude there though.

You've been in my scum list since day 1 and you havent town up.

Im pretty much inno child and your vote on me looks bad either when im alive or dead.
>urist posts ~1000 words asking players questions (it's in a tab open, i'll read it all urist dw)

>guillio says urist has defeatist attitude and hasn't towned it up

how does someone town it up? this seems more omgussy to me than anything viable.
You've been playing this game for half the time ive been playing it, you should know how a town that scum reads someone expects that read to town up. Also, a tip for you: Town can OMGUS, wolves call out OMGUS to discredit the target.
dunya wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:10 pm
Guillotine wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:05 pm Im gonna let Dunya catch up. Notice scum do similar shit, they react to old posts to create chaos in the current game state.
Once she finishes up all those little posts im gonna multiquote them and reply.
excuse me?

i've played mafia for 10 years and i'm anal about reading every post, so go shit in someone else's cornflakes about my style of catchup k thx

even if it's old, doesn't mean the ping i felt isn't relevant. i often iso myself later to see where my head at was ~in the moment.
I will continue to shit in your cornflakes if they continue to smell like dirty pelt!
dunya wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:16 pm hmm, i saw pyre ted yesterday, i tred him in that game and defended him against the thread and he sussed me so i'm gonna be wary of letting him think i townread him now lol.

[VOTE: guillio] aubergine tbh. he's stifling me and i don't like it. if anyone has been "chaotic" in the thread, it's been him.
You are outing but you are not my top scum read.

My vote on Urist stays and gets parked too.
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Re: Magic the Gathering Mafia - Day 2

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Guillotine wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:05 pm Im gonna let Dunya catch up. Notice scum do similar shit, they react to old posts to create chaos in the current game state.
Once she finishes up all those little posts im gonna multiquote them and reply.
How do you read Enrique given this statement?
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dunya wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:45 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:44 pm
dunya wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:42 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 9:56 pm Nah. My shot didn't kill the player, I misread the mana requirements, and couldn't use the kicker.
if you tell us who, don't disclose how much damage pls.

i hope when i catch up you havent said both
I disclosed the damage, but not the player
yikes
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Re: Magic the Gathering Mafia - Day 2

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112 wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:48 am
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112 wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:44 am
Marmot wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:20 am
112 wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:11 am also voting jack

[VOTE: jack] aubergine

sorry for my poor attendance today- coming to terms with some personal stuff

Why are you voting Jack?
mostly convenience

Convenience? Could you expand?
i was looking for someone to shift my vote to and jack was the first person that sprang to mind that felt like it could be a hit

and then someone else voted for him, so i figured i might be onto something
what made jack spring to your mind exactly as being a hit?
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falcon45ca wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:32 pm
dunya wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:45 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:44 pm
dunya wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:42 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 9:56 pm Nah. My shot didn't kill the player, I misread the mana requirements, and couldn't use the kicker.
if you tell us who, don't disclose how much damage pls.

i hope when i catch up you havent said both
I disclosed the damage, but not the player
yikes
What's yikes about that?
reading your iso, i can narrow down the names youd shoot probably.
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falcon45ca wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:31 pm
Guillotine wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:05 pm Im gonna let Dunya catch up. Notice scum do similar shit, they react to old posts to create chaos in the current game state.
Once she finishes up all those little posts im gonna multiquote them and reply.
How do you read Enrique given this statement?
Enrique is different, he has not been present in the game, he is actually catching up as opposed to Dunya who has been here.
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@Guillotine ily dude, i'm gonna ignore you today for both our sanities and because it's my parents anniversary and i just wanna catch up and get the fuck out of here
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Enrique wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:58 am 1) I don't trust falcon. They have an extremely chaotic energy in the first 10 or so pages (of which I can provide more detailed examples if necessary, right now it's just an observation), and then manage to accuse Kyle of creating chaos w his jokish answers. They also downplay the scum team's potential power pointing at their factional artifacts as if we were to assume that they don't have individual planeswalkers, lands, and artifacts. Then feeds into the whole "ted doesn't know we all have 3 lands" nonsense.

2) I disagree a lot with hk and I would be suspicious of them over a few issues (mishandling of Urist, Ted, and Jack, actually... the current poll leaders) BUT I think the fact that they've tried to discourage discussing mana transfers is actually a pretty good look. Mafia would want to encourage that kind of discussion to abuse PtF. hk has been firm against it and not just in a shallow disinterested way that the mafia could use to distance themselves from the project. I think hk warrants close observation but I feel relatively comfortable with them vs falcon because they've given a bigger indication of having town interests in mind.
1. falcon is the first person to soft and hard claim a vig type role. i don't know if mafia would be ballsy to do that if it was a damage role for mafia. i also don't think they'd have more damage/vig type roles in addition to punish the fool and their factional kill but i do know tutuu likes killing power and i don't doubt town can be loaded up.

2. what exactly is hk's "mishandling" or urist, ted and jack?
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Re: Magic the Gathering Mafia - Day 2

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dunya wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:35 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:32 pm
dunya wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:45 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:44 pm
dunya wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:42 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 9:56 pm Nah. My shot didn't kill the player, I misread the mana requirements, and couldn't use the kicker.
if you tell us who, don't disclose how much damage pls.

i hope when i catch up you havent said both
I disclosed the damage, but not the player
yikes
What's yikes about that?
reading your iso, i can narrow down the names youd shoot probably.
Let's hear your best guesses. I won't divulge the answer, just curious
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DrWilgy wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 3:12 am
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Long Con wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:03 pm Urist, why did you agree with Nicol Bolas that falcon wasn't a wolf? Because you agree with his posts, right? Which ones do you agree with, and why haven't those agreements manifested themselves as opinions in the thread?
lol

LC, meet urist, a man of little words but big skills.

i have actually never seen mafia urist and he hates randing mafia.
Marmot wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:34 pm
MacDougall wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 10:51 pm Dunya is probably town because I am still alive tbh.

Let's leave her alone shall we.

And here, I'm thinking dunya might be mafia because I'm still alive. :biggrin:
aww, i love this.
DrWilgy wrote: Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:35 pmThat was fun.
it was! i laughed till my belly hurt. you even thought of "redpeeked" cos kyle posted in "dead red" right? at first i was like wtff, then i was like lmaoooo wilgy :goofp: tell me, what do you make of your experiment?
Not much. I'm very sleepy.
how about now? pls share.
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Marmot wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 11:17 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 4:41 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 11:25 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 9:25 am
Long Con wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 9:24 am
Justplayingitcool wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 9:20 am
Long Con wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 9:19 am

Any follow-up on that assertion?
Yes, you're his partner
Not really what I was going for.
I tr both urist and falcon, so marmot putting two of my top townies is highly suspect
Why is that suspect? Do you not like Marmot's reasoning for having Urist and I as scum?
I find it legit concerning if my top two townies are scumread yeah, especially with a made town flip

Why are you making a read post-Made flip on content stated pre-Made flip?

I backed off of both of them after I posted my rainbow, so :shrug:
That's convenient
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Long Con wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:53 am
Guillotine wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:47 am Note that Urist just either townread me or TMIed me, i dont know what to make of it yet.
"To be honest, if I were scum and forced to give 6 mana to a townie, I would 100% pick Guillotine..." I'm not sure it's either, isn't he creating a hypothetical from Epi's perspective?
Although if Epi was scum and forced to give me that 6 mana, why not keep it secret. Why out it?
I don't think he was forced, I didn't get that impression.
Like that’s my thought process on this, too. Like, I wouldn’t know Guillo is shite with night actions. Why would Epi?
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Re: Magic the Gathering Mafia - Day 2

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Urist wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:20 am
Long Con wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 9:36 am It's good to see some more involved takes from you, but I'm not sure they're all legit. Some of them, it looks like you skimmed an ISO for five seconds just to tack off a box of "yup, I interacted with that player!" For instance, in the same post, you ask Mac if he's still sheeping dunya on ted, and later state that dunya is sheeping Mac on ted. Not sure what to make of that, but it belies the idea that you were thinking cohesively about a solve. That thing about noting hollowkatt's claiming credit for ted feels like lip service to a degree - I don't see what your stance would be if ted flipped town of mafia, just sort of an on-the-fence shade at HK.

What was more important for you when you made this post - posting your real thoughts and feelings and solves, or making sure you checked all the boxes of "I interacted with everyone"?
dunya outright said that she was sheeping Mac on ted, but Mac hadn't given any reasons for voting ted outside of "sheeping dunya" and later "dunya and ted are partners". That's why I noted it and why I think it's suspicious for dunya.
The reason for why I asked Mac about whether he had his own reasons for voting ted is wholly due to the above. I wanted to confirm that when dunya said she was sheeping Mac, that it didn't make any sense because Mac doesn't have any reasons for suspecting ted.
So yes, I am thinking cohesively. I think the part you missed is that dunya explicitly said she was sheeping Mac, that wasn't an assumption I was making.
it's true, i did that. i did that because i was angry with mac and it didn't really mean anything and should be nai.

"i sheeped dunya d1 and if she didn't hit mafia, i was gonna come and yeet her d2" was....oh the word i learned! ~tilting~ me personally lol

he really gets on my nerves with that so it was just me being pissy with him i guess. sorry.

i joined this game to have fun with my friends, i really wanted to play a laid back game where i didn't take control of any narrative, formed reads and maybe for once in my life actually sheeped others who i townread instead.

so i'm gonna do that and if it's gets me yeeted, yolo
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Enrique wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 11:49 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 8:40 pm Wilgy, Jack & Enrique seem to insist on not playing the game.
I understand the concern but this is actually incorrect.
Who's mafia?
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Urist wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:13 am @Justplayingitcool
Have your reads changed at all now that Made has flipped town?
Nope
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Guillotine wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:18 am
Urist wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:16 am
Guillotine wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:15 am Urist cant wait to find a way to yeet me. First it was the pictures now the way i vote seeking for reactions.

[VOTE: Urist] aubergine
Scummy is as scummy does.
Nice self reflection there buddy. Kind of defeatist attitude there though.

You've been in my scum list since day 1 and you havent town up.

Im pretty much inno child and your vote on me looks bad either when im alive or dead.
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Guillotine wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:28 am Spicy read. Wilgy and Mac are partners.

I dont like how he came to Wilgy’s rescue when we were pushing him and dunya off the fake redcheck.
I dont like how Wilgy is voting there knowing well that wagon might not take off today. I don’t like it how Mac is not reacting to it.
spicy indeed

mac and wilgy in scumchat

wilgy: im gonna redpeek dunya lol
mac: do it! i can push her then.

>dunya claims to have targeted mac
mac: dunya town

mmmmmmmmm i can't see it.
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Urist wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:45 am
Guillotine wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:34 am @Urist who are the players difficult to execute in this game?
Any of the TS regulars are unlikely to execute each other. dunya, Mac, Epi, Marmot, LC.
that is not true about myself. i was never mischopped as town before i migrated to TS. now it's a common occurrence here if im not quickly nightkilled. if i live till end game, it's like a ~70% chance im mafia ok?
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Urist wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:11 am
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Urist wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:01 am
hollowkatt wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:06 am kinda like you for a wolf, kinda think Epi maybe possibly could be (or that's just my take on his attitude), pairings I haven't thought of, and generally don't.
Also bolas/112 probably a wolf.

you don't have to like me wanting ted cred, but if he flips wolf gimmie
You may have brought up the initial suspicions, I pushed that the hardest and most consistently. And it's not that Ted is talking mech, it's the way he went about it. That you're glossing over that is interesting
What happens if ted flips town? How do you think your reads will change?

The reason I don't like you pre-claiming credit for the ted elimination isn't because I want credit for myself or anything. I get the feeling that ted is just town this game. What I don't like about it is that I think you may be going for a "why would she push a townie so hard" angle. I don't see why you'd be so confident about ted flipping scum.
And yeah I realize your scum read is not based on the fact he was talking mech. What I was saying is that the questions ted was reacting strangely to were mine. I don't understand how you can have a scum read on ted for his reaction to my posts without having a town read on me for eliciting those reactions.
OK, I'm not really building associatives or worlds to fit with Ted so I wouldn't say that my reads would shift all that much should he flip town. I'm not banking on chain chops of mafia here. I can find reasons independently to scum read Ted, you, and a couple other people. It's possible there's a team there. It's also possible I'm wrong. I really don't think I am though, especially not on Ted.
I've been a railroaded townie before and when that happens i dig in my heels, post my ass off, and solve things. I don't see Ted doing that here and he's been on the ropes for almost two full game days now. Instead i see deflections, half-attempts to sus other people, and generally just defending instead of attempting to show townie bona fides by solving.

It's not about the reactions Ted gave, it's about his actual words and how he approached the mana generation conversation. His conclusions don't make sense to me given what I know. I think what you're doing now is more town than what you've been doing earlier in the game, but fwiw I don't town read you off of the questions you were asking Ted that lead to the mana kerfuffle.
Hm, alright, what you're saying makes sense and I can understand your perspective, thanks for explaining. I disagree that ted is deflecting or only defending himself - I think he's been looking into and interacting with multiple people directly today. Your accusations might have been accurate on d1, but I don't think they hold up anymore. Can you point out to me where he's been deflective / defensive today?
I went looking for what I thought was there. I can't find any D1 posts in the ISO, something weird going on there.
tedxtr wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 3:14 pm there's no way you have anything remotely close to a wolf read on me if you came in with a clear head and saw just how bad the pushes on me were

so please elaborate
tedxtr wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 3:17 pm because it all started from something that got debunked easily, and most of the votes are around that anyway

why am i a wolf?
These are the only ones that seem super defensive to me, so maybe I'm misreading them or thought I'd seen something that wasn't there.
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Marmot wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:57 am @Jackofhearts2005 been largely MIA today, where you at boi
Going for the classic LHF I see :beer:
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Guillotine wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:47 am Note that Urist just either townread me or TMIed me, i dont know what to make of it yet.
Although if Epi was scum and forced to give me that 6 mana, why not keep it secret. Why out it?
why would he be ~forced to you mana?

and what's the benefit in not telling you?
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Re: Magic the Gathering Mafia - Day 2

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Enrique wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:58 am 1) I don't trust falcon. They have an extremely chaotic energy in the first 10 or so pages (of which I can provide more detailed examples if necessary, right now it's just an observation), and then manage to accuse Kyle of creating chaos w his jokish answers. They also downplay the scum team's potential power pointing at their factional artifacts as if we were to assume that they don't have individual planeswalkers, lands, and artifacts. Then feeds into the whole "ted doesn't know we all have 3 lands" nonsense.
Meh, I think Falcon had an incredibly towny start to the game. I really enjoyed his energy, and his pushes have felt genuine.
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tedxtr wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:59 am ok and that big urist post is townie

maybe the mafia aren't doing anything at all

[VOTE: jpic ] aubergine
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HK is giving me strong Michelle vibes with how she handled tutuu in GOC

instead, it's HK on ted
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Urist is so blatantly town
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Guillotine wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:06 pm If you are town, sheep me to eliminate Urist.
No.
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Urist wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:38 am
falcon45ca wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:33 am
Urist wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 10:47 am Oh sorry falcon I forgot to remove that, didn't explicitly need a response from you.

I'm not going to suggest a shot outright, but I think you'd have an idea of whom I'd shoot if given the chance.

Btw, I do think that Jack is town this game. I think he's another easy vote that will result in another town flip, just like Made.

@falcon45ca which of your scumreads do you think would be the most difficult to execute today?
Epi.


How does the 6 mana swap w/ Guillo sit with you? I asked Epi, he could give no reason as to why he gave that much mana to Guillo. I see it as possible w/w interaction to try and establish a mutual town clear.
I'm not sure that it's w/w. I don't see why Epi would give that much mana to somebody who is unlikely to use their ability wisely.
To be honest, if I were scum and forced to give 6 mana to a townie, I would 100% pick Guillotine because hes the type to do foolish things like hero-vig.
dunya wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:55 pm
Guillotine wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:47 am Note that Urist just either townread me or TMIed me, i dont know what to make of it yet.
Although if Epi was scum and forced to give me that 6 mana, why not keep it secret. Why out it?
why would he be ~forced to you mana?

and what's the benefit in not telling you?
Ask Urist and the benefit if he was scum would be to keep me uninformed!? Like are you really this lost?
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dunya wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:49 pm why are mac, hollowkatt and falcon claiming vigs and how much damage their actions do. can you pls stop?
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Marmot wrote: Thu Mar 11, 2021 12:59 am What do you think of 112/esooa?
I agree that her usual scumhunting game is not here, but im not sure it's because she is just demotivated or scum. She helped a lot to understand the mechanics of this game though, i feel scum would try to do just the opposite, scum would try to confuse us more and if not, at least they wouldn't help us get clarity about how shit works? After all, our weakness is being uninformed.
There is a person who can answer mechanical questions.

That person is tutuu.

I will be handing out zero credit for answering mechanical questions.
What did you think about my comment and Kyle’s vomment about you feeling kind of pocketing on D1?
What did I think about it?

I didn't think about it.
ok, what gives? I've never seen you play before so I dunno if the curmudgeon is a shtick or not, but like you're playing as if you're above all us plebs or something. Things don't concern you, or you're not bothering to think about things.
Why don't you think about things? I'm thinking about all the things all the time.
this is epi. oh watch as i pocket epi now.
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Okay I finished one of my games, the other is in night phase and I’m about a week ahead on work deadlines and my boss took a half day.

I’m all yours and I ain’t getting yeeted. AMA.
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dunya wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:19 pm actually, i'm a hedgy bitch

[VOTE: justplayingitcool] aubergine

now that GoC is over (and everyone else is spoiled too) and i can talk about it, this is not town goc JPIC at all. @Justplayingitcool can u link me to a scum game in your past pls
lmfao

you've seen me play as town like once. How the fuck can you class a "town jpic" from data of exactly one. It must be easy to know what a town jpic looks like from having the TMI of modding the game. YOu're reaching as fuck


I doubt you will read it, but here you go

https://www.neoseeker.com/forums/118/t2 ... fia-day-3/
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Guillotine wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:06 pm If you are town, sheep me to eliminate Urist.
If you can direct me to the case, that’d be great. Or is this a mech thing?
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Hey Jpic. Why are you a wagon?
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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:19 pm Hey Jpic. Why are you a wagon?
No clue.
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dunya wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:08 pm
Guillotine wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:18 am
Urist wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:16 am
Guillotine wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:15 am Urist cant wait to find a way to yeet me. First it was the pictures now the way i vote seeking for reactions.

[VOTE: Urist] aubergine
Scummy is as scummy does.
Nice self reflection there buddy. Kind of defeatist attitude there though.

You've been in my scum list since day 1 and you havent town up.

Im pretty much inno child and your vote on me looks bad either when im alive or dead.
>urist posts ~1000 words asking players questions (it's in a tab open, i'll read it all urist dw)

>guillio says urist has defeatist attitude and hasn't towned it up

how does someone town it up? this seems more omgussy to me than anything viable.
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Justplayingitcool wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:20 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:19 pm Hey Jpic. Why are you a wagon?
No clue.
For real?
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dunya wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:10 pm
Guillotine wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:05 pm Im gonna let Dunya catch up. Notice scum do similar shit, they react to old posts to create chaos in the current game state.
Once she finishes up all those little posts im gonna multiquote them and reply.
excuse me?

i've played mafia for 10 years and i'm anal about reading every post, so go shit in someone else's cornflakes about my style of catchup k thx

even if it's old, doesn't mean the ping i felt isn't relevant. i often iso myself later to see where my head at was ~in the moment.
Lol anal.
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Oh shot I’m doing what Guillo is accusing Dunya of doing. Maybe I’m the wolf.
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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:20 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:20 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:19 pm Hey Jpic. Why are you a wagon?
No clue.
For real?
Yep

ted voted me because "wolves aren't doing anything"

dunya voted me because she is an edgy bitch, apparently

Why are you a wagon?
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112 wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:11 pm
Guillotine wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:06 pm If you are town, sheep me to eliminate Urist.
yes boss

[VOTE: urist] aubergine
Guillo/112 unlikely w/w
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Justplayingitcool wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:22 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:20 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:20 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:19 pm Hey Jpic. Why are you a wagon?
No clue.
For real?
Yep

ted voted me because "wolves aren't doing anything"

dunya voted me because she is an edgy bitch, apparently

Why are you a wagon?
Actually, idk either. Falcon was voting me because they thought I should be more active. Not sure how that translated to a scumread but now he’s not voting for me.

Haven’t gotten to the Epi and Marmot votes iirc.
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dunya wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:16 pm hmm, i saw pyre ted yesterday, i tred him in that game and defended him against the thread and he sussed me so i'm gonna be wary of letting him think i townread him now lol.

[VOTE: guillio] aubergine tbh. he's stifling me and i don't like it. if anyone has been "chaotic" in the thread, it's been him.
Kinda hate this read.
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I hope I’m not mixing games but I don’t feel like yeeting Urist here, either.

Or JPic.

I have mixed feelings on both Guillo and Dunya. Somewhat suspect Falcon but sort by post count is an actual legit ww strategy so ya know.
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falcon45ca wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:31 pm
Guillotine wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:05 pm Im gonna let Dunya catch up. Notice scum do similar shit, they react to old posts to create chaos in the current game state.
Once she finishes up all those little posts im gonna multiquote them and reply.
How do you read Enrique given this statement?
Is that what I think I'm doing?

I won't quote every single post that gets my attention because I understand how annoying it'd be to read everything I think about every single long exhausted topic without knowing what's currently going on in the thread. I gave a (very incomplete!) summary of my thoughts up to a point, taking into account observations from early in the game together with my knowledge of today's discussion. I'm still catching up and I'll probably make a couple more posts like that before feeling fully immersed in the present day. I'm sorry I didn't have anything nice to say about you. :(
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Basically, I don’t have wolf reads. I have townreads and players I’m conflicted on. Is Wilgy in this game? Let’s just yeet Wilgy. :wowee:
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Imagine caring what other players find annoying and not just being into hearing yourself talk.
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Jackofhearts2005 wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:19 pm
Guillotine wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:06 pm If you are town, sheep me to eliminate Urist.
If you can direct me to the case, that’d be great. Or is this a mech thing?
But of course!
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Guillotine wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:56 am
Long Con wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:53 am
Guillotine wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:47 am Note that Urist just either townread me or TMIed me, i dont know what to make of it yet.
"To be honest, if I were scum and forced to give 6 mana to a townie, I would 100% pick Guillotine..." I'm not sure it's either, isn't he creating a hypothetical from Epi's perspective?
Although if Epi was scum and forced to give me that 6 mana, why not keep it secret. Why out it?
I don't think he was forced, I didn't get that impression.
Are you Urist partner or something?

He said if he was scum and was forced to give mana to a TOWNIE, he’d give it to me”
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Guillotine wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:51 am
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Guillotine wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 11:34 am @Urist who are the players difficult to execute in this game?
Any of the TS regulars are unlikely to execute each other. dunya, Mac, Epi, Marmot, LC.
Whom do you scum read out of that group? Sorry if you already said it and I missed it?
I didn't mention it, I think those people are difficult to execute regardless of alignment.
Urist wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 12:13 am @Long Con
Your complaint that I don't have much content outside of tedxtr or falcon is accurate, but unfair, considering most of my posts are from d0 or the first 24h of d1. I spent a lot of time basically waiting for ted to come into the thread, and then once he started posting I felt better about him, but didn't have a ton of time to pursue my Marmot read. I do think it's natural to spend some time discussing the mechanics of the setup on early d1 though, just to ensure that everyone understands the setup in at least a general sense. You're one of my strongest town reads at the moment so I hope you can come around to seeing that I'm town as well. I'm getting the feeling that the mafia lie in the players whom are difficult to execute, so I think we're going to need to not be lazy here, and work to form strong mutual town reads where possible.
Then can you please explain who are the suspected mafia aligned players that are difficult to kill here?
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@Justplayingitcool
@hollowkatt

Talk to me about your votes.
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Enrique wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 2:30 pm
falcon45ca wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:31 pm
Guillotine wrote: Fri Mar 12, 2021 1:05 pm Im gonna let Dunya catch up. Notice scum do similar shit, they react to old posts to create chaos in the current game state.
Once she finishes up all those little posts im gonna multiquote them and reply.
How do you read Enrique given this statement?
Is that what I think I'm doing?

I won't quote every single post that gets my attention because I understand how annoying it'd be to read everything I think about every single long exhausted topic without knowing what's currently going on in the thread. I gave a (very incomplete!) summary of my thoughts up to a point, taking into account observations from early in the game together with my knowledge of today's discussion. I'm still catching up and I'll probably make a couple more posts like that before feeling fully immersed in the present day. I'm sorry I didn't have anything nice to say about you. :(
Don't sweat it, I'm not playing for compliments.
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