The Elder Scrolls [GAME OVER]

[Gavial]

either gavial is town and just randomly saying a bunch of names he drew from a hat or he is scum and calling out a bunch of names he randomly drew from a hat

So what your saying is.
It’s all just NAI.
Just like my Nocturnal ability.

[DaisyCloud]

And I hope they slay the mafia and you keep the alive to do so, because you guys aren’t doing that great finding mafia when you keep throwing shit at meZ

maybe idk spit balling here, but maybe if you actually made a case on some of your reads, perhaps people might listen to u? sus u a bit less? u can't just be saying so and so is sus and not show case why.


just because u think it and say so doesn't mean people will believe u. u gotta show your work.

otherwise it just looks like nonsense and a waste and trash.

sorry if I sound harsh or too blunt.

[DaisyCloud]

either gavial is town and just randomly saying a bunch of names he drew from a hat or he is scum and calling out a bunch of names he randomly drew from a hat

So what your saying is.
It’s all just NAI.
Just like my Nocturnal ability.

I'm saying if u can't tell is u r null. whether I'm sold on your supposed claim or not is up to u.

tell u what tho. u r trending downwards. u just bern pointing fingers and critizeing. that isn't a good look. in my limited experience scum like to do that. the whole pot and kettle stuff and that whole what about so and so?

[Marmot]

Falcon/DaisyCloud/Flanders/Jack/Quin


Probably not all scum the more I think of it but probably contains at least 2, so this is your best bet SK. Please don’t allow scum to clean sweep that’s garbage.

No/No/No/Idk/Yes

[Marmot]

[VOTE: Quin] aubergine

You're lallygagging mate.

[Marmot]

is Gavial calling me the SK

KZA

[Marmot]

I mean me claiming is NAI.
I’ll tell you one thing though. I’ve never lied about my ability in my first game and I ain’t lying about it here.

If people think I’m lying then I remember someone pointing out Nanook had Nocturnal and thus so do I as that’s the watcher ability.

Now, I also believe (I could be wrong) but I’m pretty sure both Nanook and Alison had my back day 1 and then both scum types killed them.
So maybe both scum wants to kill me.
Since town may end up keep killing more town this game (such as myself) I’m going to help you out SK on who to kill that is probably mafia.

I'm interested in why you're claiming today, because imo, we didn't gain anything from your claim.

[Marmot]

either gavial is town and just randomly saying a bunch of names he drew from a hat or he is scum and calling out a bunch of names he randomly drew from a hat

So Gavial cannot be 3P and calling out a bunch of names he randomly drew from a hat?

[falcon45ca]

Probably should have been the day 1 yeet Tbh.
Not really playing my best here and I’m just allowing scum to continue to swoop in to ML me and potentially more.

I just hope SK plays it smart and kills mafia tonight.

Multiple mentions of the SK saving town from being swept, oh help us SK, help us

SK’s probably Tim/BoKnows/Long Con

Tells the Maf his main SK suspects to target...

[Marmot]

I can't find the post from falcon45ca that I wanted to reply to.

but.. @falcon45ca what about LongCon that bothers you? was it just him sheeping his vote?

I get looking at the seanzie wagon and trying to see if wolf voted there and if so then who it could be.

far as I know, no one did a vc analysis. idk how to do one. at the site where I learned/started out in TvMs (what we call mafia games. it means Town vs Mafia) we had 1 guy make one and gave a barebones explanation on how to do it. something to do with the lynch person's flip. you look at early votes, mud votes and end votes and then the hammer iirc. and typically (rule of thumb) mafia is in one of those places and like town. but who is supposedly supposed to be a which slot idk/i don't remember. oorc other wagons you can put vc analysis on too? or no?

I had a point. .. my point, so u scumbly me and LongCon and it was the voting thing, right? or no?

LC pinged me for the sheep vote of not only Sean, but what I saw as sheeping a Marmot push by Syn as well. He'd also had very little (only 1) independent mention of a player being scummy (Kyle). He explained his rationale since then, and I'm satisfied with his explanation to give him some space to hunt for now.


Your posting at EOD comes across as distancing to me. Putting your vote back on doesn't preclude that, it could easily just be an excuse for scum to keep their vote on a mislynch while appearing to solve the slot thru other means. Others have defended you, but I'd like to hear from you what was going on in your head at the time.

Do you think he had much of an agenda behind it? Long Con does tend to sheep reads and gets a lot of heat for it.

[falcon45ca]

I can't find the post from falcon45ca that I wanted to reply to.

but.. @falcon45ca what about LongCon that bothers you? was it just him sheeping his vote?

I get looking at the seanzie wagon and trying to see if wolf voted there and if so then who it could be.

far as I know, no one did a vc analysis. idk how to do one. at the site where I learned/started out in TvMs (what we call mafia games. it means Town vs Mafia) we had 1 guy make one and gave a barebones explanation on how to do it. something to do with the lynch person's flip. you look at early votes, mud votes and end votes and then the hammer iirc. and typically (rule of thumb) mafia is in one of those places and like town. but who is supposedly supposed to be a which slot idk/i don't remember. oorc other wagons you can put vc analysis on too? or no?

I had a point. .. my point, so u scumbly me and LongCon and it was the voting thing, right? or no?

LC pinged me for the sheep vote of not only Sean, but what I saw as sheeping a Marmot push by Syn as well. He'd also had very little (only 1) independent mention of a player being scummy (Kyle). He explained his rationale since then, and I'm satisfied with his explanation to give him some space to hunt for now.


Your posting at EOD comes across as distancing to me. Putting your vote back on doesn't preclude that, it could easily just be an excuse for scum to keep their vote on a mislynch while appearing to solve the slot thru other means. Others have defended you, but I'd like to hear from you what was going on in your head at the time.

Do you think he had much of an agenda behind it? Long Con does tend to sheep reads and gets a lot of heat for it.

We know how Sean flipped, but you tell me. How do you feel about his sheep read against you? Tho he's says he wasn't sheeping, he was agreeing, for whatever that's worth.


His response struck me as towny, so as I said I'll give him space to show he's actually hunting.

[Marmot]

I feel like there's a few players this game that are emerging as an obvious town to me. Mainly tim/KZA/Syn, and a few others that probably belong but not quite, like Kyle, Mac, Daisy, but that leaves a ton of players left to sort through. This game feels messy and out of sync, and the vote counts right now kinda show it.

[falcon45ca]

I feel like there's a few players this game that are emerging as an obvious town to me. Mainly tim/KZA/Syn, and a few others that probably belong but not quite, like Kyle, Mac, Daisy, but that leaves a ton of players left to sort through. This game feels messy and out of sync, and the vote counts right now kinda show it.

How is Kyle obvs town? Cuz he's def in my POE, I haven't seen anything from him to change that from last RD

[Scotty]

Oh ffs I’ve been catching up slowly- just started pg 39 and will have to come back again. Good friend is getting married today so im hella distracted.

Something to mull over because as of pg 39 I haven’t seen it-
It is likely that one of the “leaders” of D1 town that weren’t Alison is a Wolf. I’m looking at first Mac and then Tim. I feel that Tim has been nothing but forthright on lots of things. Some call it TMI, I call it helpful.

Mac however has done nothing so much to garner super town status. In fact, his blunt attitude all of D1 and even now with his ailment (which I believe he isn’t faking btw) I feel like he’s just throwing out names to muddy up the thread.

In a vacuum, I’m looking again at BK as well. I disagree that we need to focus on Made and Gavial today. I think the wolves would like that. We may have to coagulate back there eventually, but right now Mac is my top thread leading scum read.

Because no one would suspect it.

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

I’ll be back much later (hopefully tonight) to continue reading and contribute when I can

[Long Con]

[Marmot]

Oh I forgot about Scotty, he's going in that townpile too.

[falcon45ca]

Nacho is working to catch up on the thread now. He apologizes for overestimating the power of youth; he figured shot 2 side effects would result in a "lay in bed and play mafia" type of feeling as opposed to the "lay in bed and sleep" situation it ended up being. Today will be his only shot to sink in his teeth in any meaningful way this game Day and so he will attempt to do so. Wish luck.

Called this post after his 1st post basically saying the same thing.

[KZA]

spicy Scotty

[DaisyCloud]

anyway, before I get called a kettle. umma show my work. sorry for bad formatting. I'm on mobile.

my towns:

KZA, Tim, Sen

Kza and Syn because of the checks. in theory this could all be fabricated but like easily resolved etc. I do feel like KZA is the type of player to indicate they got a green check without outing actions and claiming. also KZA iirc wasn't even been sussed or whatever so it's not out of their range to explain a green check without outing. anyway this goes on the back burner for now. syn and KZA are at a lvl well above me so I expect town leader type stuff from them. if they coast imma sus and get tin foily and well.

Tim because this seems more like UPick Tim. I have a very hard time reading him. it was the same in the Upick game, we were both town. I think I mentioned it. I cannot get a soul read on him. anyway I think I can very easily make a resolution here and it was my own fault for messing things up.

lean town: MacDougall, LongCon, Kyle
kyle hasn't posted except to say he was bookmarking. so idk what to think. his day 1 seemed okay tho. despite the fact he kept pestering me.

nulls: gavial, Marmot, Scotty

okay so has Scotty even posted?

lean town: monkey he/she seems like a town just overwhelmed. I get this can be fabricated. idk if they r new or fresh from retirement or just never played a large game or something. hopefully if thry are town they shake off the nerves and jump right in. could be a slanking scum tho or something as that is easier for veteran type players to fabricate, idk him to know if that is in his range or not.

lean scums: nacho, Flanders, Jack,

other nulls but for different reasons: Enrique, qwags, quin, bo, and falcon

Enrique, qwags and quin just haven't posted enough. falcon and bo they have some okayish posts but then they do some weird stuff like just no.

if I left someone out my bad. it wasn't intentional. idk u should have posted so I remember you. oh wait Tony. yeah he is too quiet. being off the chopping block doesn't give u a pass to slank. but I know he literally doesn't care what I think so.

[KZA]

that's a super townie post from Scotty yes indeed

[Marmot]

I feel like there's a few players this game that are emerging as an obvious town to me. Mainly tim/KZA/Syn, and a few others that probably belong but not quite, like Kyle, Mac, Daisy, but that leaves a ton of players left to sort through. This game feels messy and out of sync, and the vote counts right now kinda show it.

How is Kyle obvs town? Cuz he's def in my POE, I haven't seen anything from him to change that from last RD

Why's Kyle in your POE?

It's based on his tone and effort from Day 1. Also, he voiced some frustration with his interactions with Daisy that reminded me of Double-Elim where he was town. It's an assumption, but I don't think Kyle can fake that sort of thing very well.

[Stupid Sexy Flanders]

On Gavials claim - why then? Way to early for a townie to claim and expose his power to the maf. He wasn't even being pressured that hard and it kinda seems more like a wolf desperate for everyone to just fuck off.

And then spend the rest of the day on the defensive and firing oddball sus everywhere.

@Gavial
Who do you town read? You've made no mention.

[Marmot]

Omfg, Daisy you just copied my reads but one-upped me by explaining them!!!

[falcon45ca]

I was looking for a funny copy pasta to re-enter the game with but idk how edgy I can go.

irl or in-game?

Why so anxious buddy boy?

I'm not ready to die

Why are you voting for yourself?

[DaisyCloud]

either gavial is town and just randomly saying a bunch of names he drew from a hat or he is scum and calling out a bunch of names he randomly drew from a hat

So Gavial cannot be 3P and calling out a bunch of names he randomly drew from a hat?

I suppose. but his posting style and his defense doesn't seem to be coming from a 3rd party mindset. I could be wrong.

I'm typically 3rd party. I'm no expert, but to me at least it doesn't seem 3rd party. I'm basing this off my experiences and so I'm not a pro player but just how I see it.

if im wrong and he turns out 3rd party then okay noted and stuffs

[falcon45ca]

I feel like there's a few players this game that are emerging as an obvious town to me. Mainly tim/KZA/Syn, and a few others that probably belong but not quite, like Kyle, Mac, Daisy, but that leaves a ton of players left to sort through. This game feels messy and out of sync, and the vote counts right now kinda show it.

How is Kyle obvs town? Cuz he's def in my POE, I haven't seen anything from him to change that from last RD

Why's Kyle in your POE?

It's based on his tone and effort from Day 1. Also, he voiced some frustration with his interactions with Daisy that reminded me of Double-Elim where he was town. It's an assumption, but I don't think Kyle can fake that sort of thing very well.

That's why Kyle is in my POE.


TBH, I skipped pretty much all of Daisy's/Kyle's lil' spat last RD.

[Marmot]

Nacho wouldn't be posting like this unless Nacho had to.

Nacho doesn't mind Made votes even though he thinks it's more likely Made's an unfunny joker than the possibility of him being an axe murderer.

Nacho will advocate a Vote: Enrique for now. He's only on page 10.

Why is Enrique a better vote than Made (I also don't understand the page reference joke)

[DaisyCloud]

btw, I just iirc I keep saying I have a hard time reading tim and this stinks because usually I can just know tim is town and good! at least I don't feel overwhelmed in this game unlike the upick game.

[Marmot]

either gavial is town and just randomly saying a bunch of names he drew from a hat or he is scum and calling out a bunch of names he randomly drew from a hat

So Gavial cannot be 3P and calling out a bunch of names he randomly drew from a hat?

I suppose. but his posting style and his defense doesn't seem to be coming from a 3rd party mindset. I could be wrong.

I'm typically 3rd party. I'm no expert, but to me at least it doesn't seem 3rd party. I'm basing this off my experiences and so I'm not a pro player but just how I see it.

if im wrong and he turns out 3rd party then okay noted and stuffs

So you're a 3P pro!! How would you play as a 3P?

I haven't randed 3P in years, so I have no idea how I'd do it.


Either way, I guess Gavial's a different person, so he'd always do it differently.

[Marmot]

btw, I just iirc I keep saying I have a hard time reading tim and this stinks because usually I can just know tim is town and good! at least I don't feel overwhelmed in this game unlike the upick game.

When I played a hydra with dunya, tim was in that game, and she told me that tim has an unrelenting bloodlust to get townies yeeted when he's a wolf (thus making him a pretty good wolf). I played video mafia with him yesterday, and I did sense that coming from him in the game that he randed wolf, but not in the game where he randed town.


You are townreading him here, is there something that's pushing you there given the difficulty you're having?

[DaisyCloud]

Heads up in not going to be around too much today nor EOD bc I’m being ferried around town for my birthday

Oh ffs I’ve been catching up slowly- just started pg 39 and will have to come back again. Good friend is getting married today so im hella distracted.

Something to mull over because as of pg 39 I haven’t seen it-
It is likely that one of the “leaders” of D1 town that weren’t Alison is a Wolf. I’m looking at first Mac and then Tim. I feel that Tim has been nothing but forthright on lots of things. Some call it TMI, I call it helpful.

Mac however has done nothing so much to garner super town status. In fact, his blunt attitude all of D1 and even now with his ailment (which I believe he isn’t faking btw) I feel like he’s just throwing out names to muddy up the thread.

In a vacuum, I’m looking again at BK as well. I disagree that we need to focus on Made and Gavial today. I think the wolves would like that. We may have to coagulate back there eventually, but right now Mac is my top thread leading scum read.

Because no one would suspect it.

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

I’ll be back much later (hopefully tonight) to continue reading and contribute when I can

♡Happy Birthday ♡

Congrats to your friend!!♡










I see why you been afk now. hurry back soon.

[DaisyCloud]

either gavial is town and just randomly saying a bunch of names he drew from a hat or he is scum and calling out a bunch of names he randomly drew from a hat

So Gavial cannot be 3P and calling out a bunch of names he randomly drew from a hat?

I suppose. but his posting style and his defense doesn't seem to be coming from a 3rd party mindset. I could be wrong.

I'm typically 3rd party. I'm no expert, but to me at least it doesn't seem 3rd party. I'm basing this off my experiences and so I'm not a pro player but just how I see it.

if im wrong and he turns out 3rd party then okay noted and stuffs

So you're a 3P pro!! How would you play as a 3P?

I haven't randed 3P in years, so I have no idea how I'd do it.


Either way, I guess Gavial's a different person, so he'd always do it differently.

lol, noo. im no pro.
it depends on my wincon. playing witch is my favorite role. I think I can hide as town decently enough. I think it's the whole not knowing stuff too.

I absolutely hate randing sk. I think that tends to bleed through a game. last time I was sk I almost won because they thought I was vig. I got caught. sk imho has one of the hardest wincons and I feel hosts don't balance enough to give sk a fair shot at achieving their wincon and put it in just for "spice".

if im witch im extremely comfortable, like a comfy blanket. same for lone wolf. I never lost when I rand these.

I think my playstle/posting style lends well to randing 3rd party or at least that is what I have been told. idk. I don't see it.






watch gavial will be 3rd party and I end up sounding really stupid and cringey

[BoKnows]

I was looking for a funny copy pasta to re-enter the game with but idk how edgy I can go.

irl or in-game?

Why so anxious buddy boy?

I'm not ready to die

Why are you voting for yourself?

Placeholder vote

[Scotty]

So we've got Kza, Syn and TSP essentially cleared.

I think it's possible Mac could be mafia and falsifying a restriction because he visited a shrine and saw a bunch of townies there. But thats some tinfoil so I'm gonna keep him in the town pile.
He line strikes BK, so, guess BK is tp.

Kza
Syn
TSP
Mac
BK

Tim could just be fooling me, but he feels towny. Same kinda goes for quin and Scotty. Both feel towny.

Falc is a bit of a puzzle rn. Maybe it's just I havent played with him for a while, but his style does feel different. Still gotta town side him for now.

Enrique
Long Con
Marmot
Occupy that awkward, uneasy null space

Jack and nachomamma scum leaning.

PoE

Kyle
Daisy
Monkey
Made
Gavial

Thats where I'm at.

This is a scummy post

You start by admitting the possibility of Mac being bad, but then directly contradict it by saying it’s tinfoily, and putting him in your town pile, even though you have an awkward null space.

What does “line strike” mean? And when did Mac do that to BK?

[Scotty]

p sure Bo crossed his own name out of Mac's list when he quoted it

Ah

[Gavial]

On Gavials claim - why then? Way to early for a townie to claim and expose his power to the maf. He wasn't even being pressured that hard and it kinda seems more like a wolf desperate for everyone to just fuck off.

And then spend the rest of the day on the defensive and firing oddball sus everywhere.

@Gavial
Who do you town read? You've made no mention.

BoKnows

[Gavial]

So we've got Kza, Syn and TSP essentially cleared.

I think it's possible Mac could be mafia and falsifying a restriction because he visited a shrine and saw a bunch of townies there. But thats some tinfoil so I'm gonna keep him in the town pile.
He line strikes BK, so, guess BK is tp.

Kza
Syn
TSP
Mac
BK

Tim could just be fooling me, but he feels towny. Same kinda goes for quin and Scotty. Both feel towny.

Falc is a bit of a puzzle rn. Maybe it's just I havent played with him for a while, but his style does feel different. Still gotta town side him for now.

Enrique
Long Con
Marmot
Occupy that awkward, uneasy null space

Jack and nachomamma scum leaning.

PoE

Kyle
Daisy
Monkey
Made
Gavial

Thats where I'm at.

This is a scummy post

You start by admitting the possibility of Mac being bad, but then directly contradict it by saying it’s tinfoily, and putting him in your town pile, even though you have an awkward null space.

What does “line strike” mean? And when did Mac do that to BK?

Yeah honestly Mac and Flanders probably scum buddies.
Both great targets for SK’s tonight.
Or we could yeet one of them instead of me if that’s possible.

[Scotty]

I have a watcher shrine so killing me is reeee.

Did you use a tracker last night on Nook?
That you are so adamant about this watcher has about as much substance as the calories in Diet Coke: empty

[Gavial]

@Scotty
Come vote Flanders with me!

[Gavial]

I have a watcher shrine so killing me is reeee.

Did you use a tracker last night on Nook?
That you are so adamant about this watcher has about as much substance as the calories in Diet Coke: empty

Yeah Nook didn’t visit anyone.

[Scotty]

How dare people have me in their PoE.
Just let me watch scum visit my target tonight and I get the free jullZ

is there any reason you couldn't just be a mafia watcher, even if the role claim is true

I mean I would expect most roles to overlap between alignments

[Scotty]

I have a watcher shrine so killing me is reeee.

Aaaaaand, you didn't use this watcher shrine N1 because?

Ok seeing as I’m asking these questions after they e happened ima let the big guns do it

[Gavial]

I was looking for a funny copy pasta to re-enter the game with but idk how edgy I can go.

irl or in-game?

Why so anxious buddy boy?

I'm not ready to die

Why are you voting for yourself?

Placeholder vote

There like no way Falcon would ask this question as town.

FALCON KNOWS BOKNOWS DOES THIS EVERY GAME!

Good SK targets: Falcon, Daisy, Flanders and Mac

Stab in there SK!

[Gavial]

I haven’t even been on this site for as long as Falcon and I know that each time I see vote count in games I play I see BoKnows self voting.

[Gavial]

Least once throughout the game

[Scotty]

why is TSP cleared

I can't vote for him.

I guess it's possible maf get a have your name removed from the poll reward, but it seems more like a town reward no?

Admittedly, we play pretty vanilla games at home, and I'm not very good at balancing games when I host.. so. Like

Thats why I post my thoughts.
I'm all ears

Erm, at this point if you don’t think mafia also get abilities from visiting shrines and it’s probably NAI you’re gonna have a bad time.

Your logical jumps astound me

[Gavial]

Might CFD to Falcon

[Gavial]

@Seanzie
Don’t worry Sean! I think I figured out the team!

[Gavial]

Falcon/Daisy/Mac/Flanders/Big Giant Donut

[Scotty]

We caught him boys!
He claims mafia has mafia like abilities!
Vote Flanders!

Like honestly where TF did Thief come from? lol.

oh my GOD