Buckets: War of the GOATs [END]

[ilario]

LMAOO cant believe dotas hero vote saved the game

[alexa]

Ender may be kinda skating by.

[ilario]

Ender may be kinda skating by.

thats why i was asking about ender/tsp to you.

[alexa]

also esooa and Mac actually saw wiml as wolf before

[ilario]

that team makes sense in my head

[alexa]

Ender may be kinda skating by.

thats why i was asking about ender/tsp to you.

i think it's possible.

[Lime Coke]

due to my ridiculously high scum flip ratio idek if i've played as town with either ilario or alexa so this would be my first time sorting them in a forum setting lol

i've specced games w/ both of them as scum and they usually make it p deep if not endgame

I've explained 1 thing about her meta, when she's going to certain people (Illario, Esooa to an extent this game) trying to get them to townread her it's typically in her town meta. She works extremely hard on getting townread early and then solves. People have called it LAMIST but that's just what she does.

She'll use her vote multiple times but it's gonna be hard to track with this site. She's been verbally saying her votes though so basically treat it like EM forum games.

There's a few other things. Like, I've found her as town quickly in numerous games. She's not a hard town to find.

That explains a bit, it's NAI for Lime Coke though because I assume this player has experience with her. Unless the entire thing is a lie, but several players here should be able to call that out if it were so, and I don't think anyone did? I assume people would be talking about this if they did.

I'm starting to notice a pattern of focusing on meta assessments and seemingly disregarding everything else. Lime Coke's entire earlygame is filled with metareads on other players and discussions about How These Player Treat Each Other In Games and it doesn't feel like it's going anywhere. Or maybe I'm just getting tired of it because I'm not sure where half these reads come from (I have little to no past experience to draw from).

I think illario's villagery despite that and I still townread Nanook for bad reasons. Alexa is realistically null but I still feel like she could be a wolf atp. Lime Coke is... well, I want to say they're town, but they're probably a top scumread within this playerlist for a reason. I think their posts early on have been fine, but the complete zeroing-in on meta and the people they know feels more like they're trying to participate in existing discourse rather than bring independent ideas to the table. That's the opposite of what alexa's doing, since alexa had outed like six different reads by then, some already with progression. By far the solviest player on the opening pages.

My alexa wolfread may just be paranoia. It's not like her posts are bad when I look past the self-awareness and overreactions (which are like 90% personality-indicative and not alignment-indicative anyway). That said, I'm still not confident enough to call her town.

Yes I've had about 10+ games with Alexa, I've townread her correctly in all of those in a matter of a few posts.

I do focus a bit more on meta with players I know. Just a good place to start then look at their game content.

Wait so I'm town but I'm a scumread? Which one is it?

ALEXA TOWN you just have paranoia.

@Alison

Wait, legitimate question. Scoring out of 10, what is my wolf game?

2.

Yeah, exactly, you have like no reason to have any paranoia on me.

Lime Coke wants to have good rapport with everyone, but isn't making any actual reads outside of presenting meta analyses that several players in this game already know.

Seems like IIoA and trying to position themselves in the thread.

I just pride myself in getting townread early. I never get mischopped and I've had a few things to brag in terms of that.

[alexa]

the one thing i guess i'd consider is that a team of TSP/Ender has slightly less reason to keep us alive than other teams (ik you asked about this before but i'm considering it now), particularly because they're doing the least to fan the flames between us, Ender has been calling us t/t, but that's pretty weak

[ilario]

Well they could be banking on nanook to push me/wiml.

I need to have another look at nanooks poe to see if it supports a scum ender/tsp agenda.

[Lime Coke]

I mean the people townreading me confidently are Alexa, who I've stated we've been t/t around 10 games by now, and Illario, which pinged me but if he's actually town this game then holy shit we've made progress. Both are from my homesite and have played with me numerous times.

I believe the others were Ender and Mac? I haven't seen their reasoning but they are the ones that have played only 1 or 2 games with me. Ender I'm confident is town as I've stated before, Mac I gotta see what's going on the later the game goes.

what maade u so confident on ender atp?

He made that "I think LC is town for now, but if he's wolf I'll find him day 3" which I found both funny and accurate because people don't catch me until day 2/3.

Starting to think I might've given Nanook too much credit for his early posting, but I still think he's a bit above null regardless.

What's the post cap in this game per day?

Genuinely find this post wolfy because asking about the postcap feels like "how many times do I have to post." Might be a dumb read but idk.

Fuck no?

I wrote that because I noticed Alexa had like 70 posts at that point and her biggest rival in the game of Forum Mafia is post caps. So it was more of a service to her rather than me because I don't hit cap that often.

[ilario]

At the same time I still can’t get over how LC made an entire case about someone and then almost forgot their existence right after. That’s why I always try and rely on others to read him LOLLL

[ilario]

But his posts are towny in moments like this

[Lime Coke]

At the same time I still can’t get over how LC made an entire case about someone and then almost forgot their existence right after. That’s why I always try and rely on others to read him LOLLL

I focused on him entirely and made sure people read my case? How is that forgetting?

[ilario]

Cos ur not even pushing him that much

[ilario]

Wiml is pretty scummy.

@alexa just to make u even more paranoid :P

[Lime Coke]

Cos ur not even pushing him that much

I don't necessarily "push" on people. My idea is to "gather the troops" and 1 by 1 get people to vote out who I want voted out.

This was similar to how I won cop CC battles on EpicMafia. I would basically just ATE the entire player roster 1 by 1 to get them to vote out my CC.

I was somewhat doing the same here until Alexa stood her ground and spoke about wanting Wiml out instead, that's when I unvoted and spoke about my intentions of voting out Wiml.

[alexa]

i've never seen you case anyone before LC lmao

[Lime Coke]

I'm shifting at Vulgard though, Wiml had me townread at first.

Then Vulgard gets on and his shade on me is like...

1. "I find LC to be town, but in this game he's scummy"

2. LC asking what post cap is makes him scummy.

3. LC agrees often with what his top townread says.

I feel like the dude is seeing Ender's vote on me and is trying to take advantage by shading posts that aren't really anything.

[ilario]

Cos ur not even pushing him that much

I don't necessarily "push" on people. My idea is to "gather the troops" and 1 by 1 get people to vote out who I want voted out.

This was similar to how I won cop CC battles on EpicMafia. I would basically just ATE the entire player roster 1 by 1 to get them to vote out my CC.

I was somewhat doing the same here until Alexa stood her ground and spoke about wanting Wiml out instead, that's when I unvoted and spoke about my intentions of voting out Wiml.

Huh?? How did wiml get into this? Isn’t ur case on nanook??

[Lime Coke]

i've never seen you case anyone before LC lmao

I think I've only done it 1 time but I forgot who it was.

[alexa]

i've never seen you case anyone before LC lmao

I think I've only done it 1 time but I forgot who it was.

what made you decide to this game?

[Lime Coke]

Cos ur not even pushing him that much

I don't necessarily "push" on people. My idea is to "gather the troops" and 1 by 1 get people to vote out who I want voted out.

This was similar to how I won cop CC battles on EpicMafia. I would basically just ATE the entire player roster 1 by 1 to get them to vote out my CC.

I was somewhat doing the same here until Alexa stood her ground and spoke about wanting Wiml out instead, that's when I unvoted and spoke about my intentions of voting out Wiml.

Huh?? How did wiml get into this? Isn’t ur case on nanook??

Are you reading what's going on?

Yes I cased Nanook.

But when I tried to talk to Alexa about getting him, she told me she would rather get Wiml. So I decided "sure, why the fuck not?" since there's dead towns that scumread the slot before dying.

[Lime Coke]

i've never seen you case anyone before LC lmao

I think I've only done it 1 time but I forgot who it was.

what made you decide to this game?

Because I fucked up on MacDougal and realized that I had to make it up.

[alexa]

fwiw Brad if you're town this game I respect you for keeping out of the toxicity and if i'm misreading you it may be because i have the expectation of you from getting passionate and more frustrated

[alexa]

which like i'm still borderline about your alignment anyway

[ilario]

Oh I misread my bad

[alexa]

i've never seen you case anyone before LC lmao

I think I've only done it 1 time but I forgot who it was.

what made you decide to this game?

Because I fucked up on MacDougal and realized that I had to make it up.

why did you have to though? and what led you to think it was Nanook after the Mac green?

[TonyStarkPrime]

basically the read on transcend was he should have known that LC was town if he was town and the fact that he expressed doubt was scummy and if that argument sounds like TMI to you then uh idk it is probably

This sounds more like wtf than scummy. Those types of reads kill paranoid/doubtful villagers all the time.

I wanted to say that's actually towny for alexa in a vacuum if transcend didn't change his alexa read afterward. If you're wolfing, you don't push the villagers who are townreading you. However, if you're truthful about the reasoning used to push on him, that's so horrendous that I'm back to scumreading her for it.

Did anyone else embark on the push with commentary other than placing naked votes? What did they say?

And have you fulfilled your solving quota for the day already? Is that why you aren't solving and just listening to me talk like illario?

mac pushed it too for question mark reasons but he's dead now so I'm not too worried

[Lime Coke]

i've never seen you case anyone before LC lmao

I think I've only done it 1 time but I forgot who it was.

what made you decide to this game?

Because I fucked up on MacDougal and realized that I had to make it up.

why did you have to though? and what led you to think it was Nanook after the Mac green?

He said this:

If scum have any cajones they'll kill me tonight

And I was like...this feels performative of "Get me out of this game."

So I iso'd him and came out feeling like he was mafia.

[TonyStarkPrime]

@ilario - Vulgard's posts on me feel extreme Uncharitable but i know i tend to get my view tainted by people's reads on me but it's not inspiring confidence on the slot, what do you think?

lol

[Lime Coke]

@alexa

Also "Why did I have to" because this is a good town and I don't want to fuck the game up for them like a certain someone did in Lime game.

[TonyStarkPrime]

Tbh I don’t think anyone remembers anyone’s playstyle in anni. I remember seeing tsp there and if u told me this guy here and the dude I saw in anni were the same people I’d be shocked

i haven't changed any of my idiosyncrasies what gives smh

[TonyStarkPrime]

And oh, Lime Coke's Brad? Somehow, that didn't even occur to me until now.
Turbo the guy, in that case. I villaged with him in DragonVale (admittedly he was alting but not for long) and his play didn't look like this.

@alexa How uncharitable of me to wolfread someone who's constantly self-aware, overreacts to the slightest wolfread, seeks to appease people scumreading them and pushed Transcend for bad reasons on day 1 according to TSP. I could probably spare the sarcasm, but the fact you're OMGUSing me right away for this is honestly laughable.

There are some villagery things you've done, and you've definitely been solving, but I don't think it's unreasonable for me not to townread you based on what I've seen from you in the early game, which is all that I've seen so far. And considering you seem to have misyeeted Transcend who'd be among my top TRs right now if he were alive. Yes, villagers make mistakes and push on town all the time, but I'm not sure how you can have this "scumreading me is bad faith ditto" attitude with all that in mind.

I don't hold my DragonVale misyeet against people like illario because I defended two wolves in that game and it was natural to me I'd get suspected. If you're a villager, it should be natural to you too, but instead I sense immense salt.

Don't take this personally, this isn't an attack on your character. But regardless, I think me not townreading you and putting you in PoE is perfectly fine. And sure, LC defended you on a meta basis, but LC is also very wolfy - so I don't weigh that much, if at all. Plus, you defended him as well, and I think he probably flips W now. I won't pursue this line until I actually see LC's flip, but yeah.

1. I'm self-aware. This is my playstyle. You nitpicked a post I hedged and quite literally said I hedged but just wanted to talk about my immediate thoughts. You're acting exactly how I'd expect a wolf to while picking apart me on a micro-level and ignoring things on a macro level

2. You literally cannot say Transcend would be a top townread when you weren't there

3. And this, TSP's information is wrong, I literally SAID THAT I VILLAGE READ TRANSCEND BY THE END OF THE DAY. It was mac and Alison specifically who were pushing that yeet through - I was one of the few people trying to engage with him and stating that I felt like his EOD was actually coming from him as a villager - he was just making his own bed

yeah but like eh

[Lime Coke]

I gotta get ready and drive to work.

[VOTE: Wulgard] aubergine

Incase I don't get back in time.

[ilario]

Tbh I don’t think anyone remembers anyone’s playstyle in anni. I remember seeing tsp there and if u told me this guy here and the dude I saw in anni were the same people I’d be shocked

i haven't changed any of my idiosyncrasies what gives smh

You were way more assertive In general and proactive in getting reada

[TonyStarkPrime]

Tbh I don’t think anyone remembers anyone’s playstyle in anni. I remember seeing tsp there and if u told me this guy here and the dude I saw in anni were the same people I’d be shocked

i haven't changed any of my idiosyncrasies what gives smh

You were way more assertive In general and proactive in getting reada

i was a tried and true poe warrior and still am

[alexa]

[VOTE: tonystarkprime] aubergine

[ilario]

Wiml what's your read on me

Not a meme

I want to call you town but I'm not calling you town yet lol.

well explain

I saw you made a towny post that somebody else quoted and I'm just going to wait until I catch up to that point in the thread before I commit to a read on you lol.

this sequence of quotes is towny

[TonyStarkPrime]

[VOTE: tonystarkprime] aubergine

take responsibility for yourself smh

[alexa]

[VOTE: tonystarkprime] aubergine

take responsibility for yourself smh

i dunno just feels like you've been coasting and in a world where LC/Wiml are TvT you look even worse

[TonyStarkPrime]

well yes i would which is why it's reasonable to posit that we're not in that world

[TonyStarkPrime]

anyways alexa's lock town for the post she made when she voted for mac so vul you can stop worrying and I'm not gonna entertain any of that any more but like yeah i agree with you

[ilario]

Also @alexa a final thought I had just before I sleep.

I think people were asking the wrong question early. The question to ask isn’t why you/me were left alive. Keep in mind 3/7 of the lobby don’t know us that well and therefore not have shared the same sentiments wiml was using to try and clear himself earlier.

I think the question to ask is: why was “syn” specifically killed. It could be there’s a scum in this lobby that he’s particularly good at catching and can sniff out better than most people can.

[alexa]

anyways alexa's lock town for the post she made when she voted for mac so vul you can stop worrying and I'm not gonna entertain any of that any more but like yeah i agree with you

can you elaborate on this

[alexa]

Also @alexa a final thought I had just before I sleep.

I think people were asking the wrong question early. The question to ask isn’t why you/me were left alive. Keep in mind 3/7 of the lobby don’t know us that well and therefore not have shared the same sentiments wiml was using to try and clear himself earlier.

I think the question to ask is: why was “syn” specifically killed. It could be there’s a scum in this lobby that he’s particularly good at catching and can sniff out better than most people can.

based on what i know of syn, killing them for their play alone would be a bit odd. they are a complete wildcard but esooa's slot was an IC. something to consider though for sure

[TonyStarkPrime]

esooa's slot was an ic to like one and a half people

[ilario]

@TonyStarkPrime do you have any reason why I think that nanook or ender would in particular want syn gone ?

The same question applies to @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME and @EnderWiggin about tsp and each other

[alexa]

esooa's slot was an ic to like one and a half people

she's like the only slot no one's pushed this game

[ilario]

Also @alexa a final thought I had just before I sleep.

I think people were asking the wrong question early. The question to ask isn’t why you/me were left alive. Keep in mind 3/7 of the lobby don’t know us that well and therefore not have shared the same sentiments wiml was using to try and clear himself earlier.

I think the question to ask is: why was “syn” specifically killed. It could be there’s a scum in this lobby that he’s particularly good at catching and can sniff out better than most people can.

based on what i know of syn, killing them for their play alone would be a bit odd. they are a complete wildcard but esooa's slot was an IC. something to consider though for sure

I’d say you were spewed ic too. And just because the owner of a slot is an IC doesn’t make the sub an IC.

Haruka knows what I’m talking about in dragonvale, we had a universal tr in nuxl be subbed in by someone who pretty much just lolcatted the entire game until they got vigged.

[alexa]

hmm i suppose