Highway Heist (MAFIA WIN)

[Master Radishes]

Where does my shit lead

[Dyslexicon]

I am now voting c4 for science

Oh wow I bet this will be interesting and fruitful

well nobody has said shit about it except you and c4 hasn't posted so not sure why you're framing this like I'm bad for trying something new

You might be bad for doing things that won't lead anywhere. Cause your shit doesn't lead anywhere when you are mafia. I believe it's the number one difference between your wolf and town game.

c4 is pretty consensus town read.

Your particular brand of pouting isn't inspiring either.

Just my opinion man

well your shit only leads to a dead town so

Oh wow burn

[Dyslexicon]

Why would I want to do more things

With a face like yours? No, you’re right. Just sit and look pretty

[Master Radishes]

*looks pretty*

[NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME]

I have just eaten a pot of Samyang noodles. My sinuses are clear and my brain is tired. I have read up.

- Mac's re-entrance into the thread does not spark joy. He appears to be generating chaos for the sake of it when I think he would approach the gamestate in a more orderly fashion if his reads were as he claims they were. Specifically, if he townreads me and sees me in danger of receiving a guillotine to the neck, I believe he would not be doing things like, eg. "voting c4 for science". I'm scratching my head why he (presumably) townreads me over the "rock apes" mindmeld. Surely I'd be frustrated at having a read confidence misrepped as either alignment.

- I still do not want to vote Mac off today. My reasoning remains the same.

- I have seen NAA's argument that JJJ is most likely to be the scum voting me. I definitely think I am being pushed by scum. Radish and Dizzy are more likely than JJJ, though. I tend to think that JJJ is the kind of townie that ramps up the townieness over time. If he is town, he will show that townieness in a brilliant dazzle as time goes on until it is undeniable to everyone and he becomes universally townread. If it is later in the game and he still hasn't ramped up, then maybe scrutinize him then. I have other leads to pursue in the meantime.

- I think Wilgy is town now. Gut read. Believe it or don't.

- Nanook takes Wilgy's place of suspicion in the POE for trying to hammer me. I had Wilgy paired with Axe specifically because Axe seemed willing to sheep my push on anyone but him, but I don't think Nanook and Axe read as strongly paired. They could be partners, it's not out of the question, but it's not an association I think is significantly more likely than Nanook + other person or Axe + other person. I think in this updated solve I'd throw Nanook in as a wild card replacement of one of Radish/Mac if I'm wrong on them. Radish/Mac/Dizzy/Nanook are floating around in some kind of scummy stew. I think there's two mafia in there and the most likely exact pair is Radish/Mac but I wouldn't be shocked to see any of the others in one of the slots. Axe is less scummy than the four of them especially given his hard Alison siding and the fact that the person I partnered him with now reads as town to me. He is 5th in the POE.

Good night.

Do you actually think me calling for a hammer is AI

[Master Radishes]

For real though I tried taking D1 more seriously in a few games recently ish and I did badly, plus I'm on a phone and don't get a new laptop till Monday, so I'm not planning on doing much except occasional vibing until at least then.

I was meant to have my laptop already + hours of free time today and neither have come to fruition so I'm just gonna float down these rapids on my raft going 'wheeee' for a while longer yet.

[Master Radishes]

There's way too much hammer talk in this game and none of it about MC.

[Master Radishes]

I've been called both hot and pretty in this game and now I feel good about myself.

[MacDougall]

I am now voting c4 for science

Oh wow I bet this will be interesting and fruitful

well nobody has said shit about it except you and c4 hasn't posted so not sure why you're framing this like I'm bad for trying something new

You might be bad for doing things that won't lead anywhere. Cause your shit doesn't lead anywhere when you are mafia. I believe it's the number one difference between your wolf and town game.

c4 is pretty consensus town read.

Your particular brand of pouting isn't inspiring either.

Just my opinion man

well your shit only leads to a dead town so

Oh wow burn

no burn intended I am just trying to make you recognise the hypocrisy of claiming my play "leads nowhere" when your current play is to yolo a vote onto a town Mac

[Master Radishes]

These are nothing more than feelings, but I'd be fine with calling Hally and Marmot town, and probably Jay, Dizzy, and C4 too. I respect all their ranges but the first two have had moments where I sensed genuinity and the latter three it's more of an overall vibe.

I dont have anything specifically bad to say about most of the others, just that I've seen nothing I consider good enough to raise up beyond neutrality.

[Master Radishes]

Phew, that was a lot of effort. Gonna take a break.

[Master Radishes]

Actually if there's one name I'm maybe a bit off the consensus with its C4? Like I have a good enough feeling there but I feel I've seen multiple people call him along the lines of a super strong town read and I wouldn't add either adjective or any like it to such a claim.

[Master Radishes]

That's an invitation for someone to say 'ah you see MR, C4 is lock town because...'

[Master Radishes]

Reminds me,

jay, why is radishes the towniest town to ever town?

I bet I can answer this and if Jay explains what's in my head I'll return the lock town read on him.

@Master Radishes hopefully if I ask this way it's slightly less tail-chasing

What would Jay have had to say for you to not townread him?

Nothing in particular. Without going back to quote specifics, basically Jay had made the first serious ish take in the early shitposting phase and it was about me so I stopped to consider why. I thought I knew what it was. He said what I thought it was. That meant I understood his mindset which is generally a good sign.

If he had something else I would've just kept him null and moved on. He said what I expected so I gave him a mental town point and moved on.

Any phrasing such as 'lock' etc we may have used was exaggerated. I'm pretty sure he assigned me a town point and then I did the same to him, and that was all.

[Marmot]

Mafia please kill me n1, it's been a lifelong dream of mine.

[Marmot]

I seem to have killed thread.

[NotAnAxehole]

So, MasterRadishes is mafia right, when are yall moving onto this wagon?

[c4e5g3d5]

Jimmay - I actually just need someone to convince me one way or another, cause it's a mixed bag

Target acquired once I get on PC

[Marmot]

So, MasterRadishes is mafia right, when are yall moving onto this wagon?

As far as I can tell, this is your first mention of him in this game.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I had a dream that NAA died, flipped red, and revenge killed me.

Cool.

[Marmot]

Can you talk more about why MR is scum?

[Marmot]

That last post is directed at NAA.

[NotAnAxehole]

Can you talk more about why MR is scum?

Baaaaaaaaaaah

[Marmot]

[VOTE: NAA] aubergine

[Marmot]

Can you talk more about why MR is scum?

Baaaaaaaaaaah

My vote wasn't in response to this, but I was looking through your ISO where you called a JJJ post a lie, and was triggered by that.

[NotAnAxehole]

[VOTE: NAA] aubergine

Don't be foolish, we can sheep Alison together.

[Marmot]

NAA put Alison back at 5 and moved back after I did. Just keeping things straight for uncalled votes.

This is a lie

This one.

I was there, this is what happened.

[Marmot]

[VOTE: NAA] aubergine

Don't be foolish, we can sheep Alison together.

It won't work. My vote for alison isn't sheeping.

[NotAnAxehole]

NAA put Alison back at 5 and moved back after I did. Just keeping things straight for uncalled votes.

This is a lie

This one.

I was there, this is what happened.

Obviously... I was just trolling JJJ because he doesn't have the stones to force L-1.

[NotAnAxehole]

[VOTE: NAA] aubergine

Don't be foolish, we can sheep Alison together.

It won't work. My vote for alison isn't sheeping.

Oh, I meant sheep Alison on her MR read.

[NotAnAxehole]

I''m surprised Marmot is so willing to kill me on a whim.

[Marmot]

My thoughts on c4. No one is talking about c4 at all. I realized he was a blindspot for me last night, thought about his posts, and didn't recall much he'd done in terms of reads or engaging, but remembered he'd offered a lot of fluff. I opened up his ISO and discovered that my memory was off-base, and c4 has been engaging a fair amount, and I just haven't been paying attention (sorry c4)

Anyway, I took it as townie that he had been participating more than I perceived. Are there other reasons that he is town to other people?

[JaggedJimmyJay]

I think c4 has been making incisive, persistent efforts to resolve players. I think his efforts have led him to clear and believable conclusions. He looks town to me, and I don’t share in any growing controversy about that view.

[Marmot]

I''m surprised Marmot is so willing to kill me on a whim.

I haven't fully grasped what my read is on you, so I placed a vote while I muse on it.

There are a couple things you've done that bug me. One is that you've defended yourself a number of times this game with the statement "It's a minor technicality".

@NotAnAxehole why did u have c4 as outed mafia?

A minor technicality.

I thought their reaction to it was bad too.

I jest, but those reads

The timeline is relevant when you treated my reads the same way at the time.

Maybe I did... Still minor technicality. I didn't wolf read Hally till Alison did.

This is one of those intricacies where NAA is using a speciific phrase to describe something, and has done it multiple times. I don't know why, but this sort of thing bugs me. It's like, recycling a phrase to explain something without explaining it using more words, or in this case, to lighten the severity of the topic in question.

I don't feel like I can explain this very well. I tried.


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Another thing is this sheeping of Alison on MR. I find Alison to be scummier in this game than MR, so even if we're going to treat those two players as a difference check (or dichotomy or whatever), I would rather elim Alison first.


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Also you're the only person in this game who hasn't locked me in as town.

[Marmot]

I know you chose to sheep Alison much earlier in the day than now, so I guess voting MR is consistent with that.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

To me, Marmot, c4, and Hally form a rock solid set of town reads that have set themselves apart. I’m almost certainly opposed to any wagons there.

Dizzy generally seems town. I think I believe his doubts about me, and I have had some parallel doubts about him. We’re both here, we’re trying to make a positive difference, but we don’t exude great enthusiasm as we have in past games. Things kinda feel stale at points, and in that way Dizzy reminds me of myself.

Mac’s trajectory started well in my view, but I think he’s kind of losing the plot and in the process losing me. The c4 vote confuses me as much as the NAA town read did. Gun to my head he is town, but I claim no confidence.

MR “feels” okay, but I can’t give him much more than that anymore. Perhaps I might even suggest there’s a degree of snark or flippancy in his tone that has worried me more with time. Mixed bag for me.

Nanook started really off. He’s been okay the last few pages, but I don’t feel anything from his posts. I see no reason why he can’t be mafia.

DrWilgy is perhaps the game’s most confusing slot to me. I think he might be town just by way of my suspects collectively giving TMI reads. On his own merits though I see nothing.

NAA hasn’t actually made a unique, personal mark on the game yet. He’s been tagalong. It doesn’t inspire.

Alison has made a bunch of comments that “ping” me. If reads are quantitative, she’s a suspect. Qualitatively I am not super confident.

[Marmot]

[VOTE: Dyslexicon] aubergine

Hasn't claimed gay yet. This is a serious vote.

[JaggedJimmyJay]

@NotAnAxehole, sheeping isn’t unusual for you at this point in the game. I grant that. Why was Alison specifically your choice to sheep?

[Marmot]

Town

Hally
JJJ
c4
Dizzy
MR

Townish to Null

DrWilgy
Nanook

POE

Alison
NAA
MacDougall



Per JJJ's earlier request, I can come up with 5 fairly solid town, but not 6.

Also, per your point Jay, I think MR being flippant/snarky is not necessarily a scumtell. I recall him being bothered and flippant for being pushed in Philo Mafia, just by the sheer fact that he was a low poster. He's probably capable of doing that as scum too, but I think it's at the very least NAI.

[Marmot]

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

Gonna take a break from the thread, will probably be around intermittently the rest of the day.

[NotAnAxehole]

@Marmot I identify as nullish to town. Can you please fix reads list?

[NotAnAxehole]

@NotAnAxehole, sheeping isn’t unusual for you at this point in the game. I grant that. Why was Alison specifically your choice to sheep?

Mostly for my own amusement. But also I think she's town.

[NotAnAxehole]

I''m surprised Marmot is so willing to kill me on a whim.

I haven't fully grasped what my read is on you, so I placed a vote while I muse on it.

There are a couple things you've done that bug me. One is that you've defended yourself a number of times this game with the statement "It's a minor technicality".

@NotAnAxehole why did u have c4 as outed mafia?

A minor technicality.

I thought their reaction to it was bad too.

I jest, but those reads

The timeline is relevant when you treated my reads the same way at the time.

Maybe I did... Still minor technicality. I didn't wolf read Hally till Alison did.

This is one of those intricacies where NAA is using a speciific phrase to describe something, and has done it multiple times. I don't know why, but this sort of thing bugs me. It's like, recycling a phrase to explain something without explaining it using more words, or in this case, to lighten the severity of the topic in question.

I don't feel like I can explain this very well. I tried.

Seems like you scum read me based on a minor technicality.

[c4e5g3d5]

Town reads
c4e5g3d5
Hally
MacDougall
Marmot

There's some dissonance here, but gun to head town
Dyslexicon
Master Radishes

Not town reads
Alison
DrWilgy
Nanook
NAA

At 9 vs. 2, an ordinary set of roles would call for a POE pool of 5 players (2 mafia + 3 mischops). The arrangement of this game's matrix provides the likelihood (certainty?) of a mischop being lost to an extra mafia kill or beloved princess, so reduce the POE to 4. We'd then need 6 town reads to square the game away, which for the moment does seem like a genuine challenge. I have a theoretical POE built above, but I would like to be more confident about it than I am.

I vaguely understand Dizzy's read on Wilgy. I am not sure I agree with it, but I get it.

I don't understand Mac's read on NAA.

@c4e5g3d5 you asked about my Mac read. I'm afraid it's not going to be one that is likely to move your needle a ton, but anyway:

In recent memory, when Mac has been mafia I have been able to tell pretty quickly. There's a certain degree of obviousness about how BS his chaos has been, and it becomes difficult to suspend disbelief for his sake. I don't get that impression generally in this game. I think his reads have mostly made sense and that they have aligned well with my own. When he and I are seeing a similar state of affairs I think that's usually a good sign. The only read of his that I do not follow is his town read on NAA.

I could move Mac down a level to the "dissonance" pile. At the least answering c4's prompt made it clearer to me that I cannot concretely justify a town read. I can vaguely justify it.

@Dyslexicon I'm a sucker for this kind of thing
It's the kind of read where you can see where he's leaning and when throughout even though he doesn't say it explicitly at any point
Then little things like that second post being presented as off topic and not for a specific purpose and how he shows off the original townread more than the retraction even while applying pressure come off has lacking agenda
Just a bunch ofextra hoops for w!Jay to jump through that make me think he's genuinely reading Mac

Not my only reason but it's the one I can recall right now and the one I had the most fun finding

[Master Radishes]

[VOTE: NAA] aubergine

Omgus

[c4e5g3d5]

Radish got better before I forget to say it

[Master Radishes]

My wagon has the two most stale votes.

Like I guess Axe moved his briefly to put Alison at 5 or whatever happened, but seeing as he then went back to me that barely counts.

[Master Radishes]

Radish got better before I forget to say it

Screw you I can be mafia still.

[c4e5g3d5]

[VOTE: Alison] aubergine

[Master Radishes]

Here is my advice on what to do. First, eliminate Alison so that I won't die today.

If Alison flips scum, then eliminate Mac. If Mac is town, then eliminate Dizzy and Wilgy, in that order.

If Alison flips town, then eliminate me. I will flip town, whereupon which you should eliminate NAA and Wilgy.

I have about a 60% confidence that this solve wins the game. This may not seem like a lot of confidence, but it's actually quite a lot if you think about what I am proposing.