RPG Mafia MAFIA WIN

[TonyStarkPrime]

Though ok this is plausibly a good point on Wilgy

[Marmot]

Spoiler: show

game is hard

drwilgy
tsp
jack
sig

no reason to townread them

tinfoil:
dya
LP
dolby



i actually think urist is town.


if scotty is town, i suck at mafia 2 games in a row.

Dunya as town never does this therefore Dunya is a wolf game over

Never does what?

Makes a bad reads list

This is an invalid statement given that it's Day 2 and we have no wolf flips.

Dunya’s readslist is that the wolves are

The two people pushing her (no evidence given)
The zero poster
And Wilgy


This does not inspire confidence

Ok that's valid.

Dunya, that probably isn't the wolf team.

[dunya]

btw thanks for answering @dyachei that helps me know more where you're coming from in context

do you think scotty is town?

his posting has been better today but I still have a weird feeling from how he treated syn's push on him yesterday that felt scummy

do you still feel good about syn?

[hollowkatt]

btw thanks for answering @dyachei that helps me know more where you're coming from in context

do you think scotty is town?

his posting has been better today but I still have a weird feeling from how he treated syn's push on him yesterday that felt scummy

I thought his hyperdefensiveness at SOD2 was really townie given that wolves don't have a good reason to be that defensive and that the more he pushed back on the players wolf reading him the townier he looked.

[Marmot]

Syn is in this game?

[dyachei]

btw thanks for answering @dyachei that helps me know more where you're coming from in context

do you think scotty is town?

his posting has been better today but I still have a weird feeling from how he treated syn's push on him yesterday that felt scummy

do you still feel good about syn?

i thuink he's the towniest person in the game

[LinearPoint]

Spoiler: show

game is hard

drwilgy
tsp
jack
sig

no reason to townread them

tinfoil:
dya
LP
dolby



i actually think urist is town.


if scotty is town, i suck at mafia 2 games in a row.

Dunya as town never does this therefore Dunya is a wolf game over

Never does what?

Makes a bad reads list

This is an invalid statement given that it's Day 2 and we have no wolf flips.

Dunya’s readslist is that the wolves are

The two people pushing her (no evidence given)
The zero poster
And Wilgy


This does not inspire confidence

I'm scum reading her and this doesn't even make sense.
What do you mean by not inspiring confidence? That seems like a very non statement and halfass scurmead.

[hollowkatt]

Hi Marmot! What are you thinking about the game?

[dunya]

Spoiler: show

game is hard

drwilgy
tsp
jack
sig

no reason to townread them

tinfoil:
dya
LP
dolby



i actually think urist is town.


if scotty is town, i suck at mafia 2 games in a row.

Dunya as town never does this therefore Dunya is a wolf game over

Never does what?

Makes a bad reads list

This is an invalid statement given that it's Day 2 and we have no wolf flips.

Dunya’s readslist is that the wolves are

The two people pushing her (no evidence given)
The zero poster
And Wilgy


This does not inspire confidence

Ok that's valid.

Dunya, that probably isn't the wolf team.

i am aware, my friend.

that's why i said "game is hard"

i'm being fooled.

[Marmot]

Hi Marmot! What are you thinking about the game?

You seem to be under the impression that I'm thinking.

[dunya]

Syn is in this game?

he was d1. like you.

[dunya]

what has jack contributed to the game?

[Marmot]

what has jack contributed to the game?

More important question, is he town or scum?

[LinearPoint]

what has jack contributed to the game?

I saw him post once or twice.

[hollowkatt]

Hi Marmot! What are you thinking about the game?

You seem to be under the impression that I'm thinking.

ok... feelings, vibes, gut checks, throwing spitballs at a dart board, all of these are valid. but gimme something

[dunya]

what has jack contributed to the game?

More important question, is he town or scum?

well i'd like to know what he contributed first to determine that!

[Marmot]

what has jack contributed to the game?

More important question, is he town or scum?

well i'd like to know what he contributed first to determine that!

The first thing I see when I pull up his ISO is an extended back-and-forth with you, so you tell me.

[LinearPoint]

I played like one game with jack long ago and I don't remember anything except for he was scum and he slanked.

[LinearPoint]

But I have no idea how he plays as Town.

[TonyStarkPrime]

As the expert Jack reader he’s town move on

[Scotty]

I’m gonna go out on a limb and say sig is probably town and is going to be a black hole for us. If he is town, it’s 14 active voters

It’s going to make it very hard if we mislynch today. Mafia are running the table right now and the thread is in a weird dichotomy where half of us think dunya is good and half is bad. If we don’t solidify that read soon, we’ll be screwed by d3 with a probably 4v9 split. 4v8 active voters if sig is town. By D3 wolves could get a fast hammer if we don’t pull it in, and, as Urist has been saying, solidify our votes.


I don’t even know what this little pep talk is accomplishing. I guess it’s just for my own benefit

[Scotty]

I also see the points being made against Wilgy. Wouldn’t mind Wilgy weighing in on the day

[hollowkatt]

As the expert Jack reader he’s town move on

ok expert jack reader, why is jack town?

[dunya]

what has jack contributed to the game?

More important question, is he town or scum?

well i'd like to know what he contributed first to determine that!

The first thing I see when I pull up his ISO is an extended back-and-forth with you, so you tell me.

i want anyone who isn't me to weigh in is the point of the exercise.

jack hasn't done anything but talk about how bad i am. as usual.

[LinearPoint]

Actually that's a good point. With it being hammer its pretty odd that the votes are tied.
Mafia don't have an insensitive to split votes in a hammer scenario. And if Mafia could easily just switch wagons and hammer right now if both Duyna and me are Town.
Conclusion Duyna is even more likely to be Mafia since Mafia voting her or me could hammer right now if they wanted by just switching wagons, but their not so they have incentive to keep Duyna alive.

[NotAnAxehole]

Dya kinda defending Dunya, but not really... Feels really scummy and has very suspicious thread chemistry with TSP

[DrWilgy]

@DrWilgy what are your current reads?

also hi

also [VOTE: drwilgy] aubergine

Hi Dunya!

I'm still caught up between deciding if it's you or Urist.

LP also does not vibe with the universe. Everyone else is town currently.

[LinearPoint]

@DrWilgy what are your current reads?

also hi

also [VOTE: drwilgy] aubergine

Hi Dunya!

I'm still caught up between deciding if it's you or Urist.

LP also does not vibe with the universe. Everyone else is town currently.

I am entropy.

[NotAnAxehole]

Actually that's a good point. With it being hammer its pretty odd that the votes are tied.
Mafia don't have an insensitive to split votes in a hammer scenario. And if Mafia could easily just switch wagons and hammer right now if both Duyna and me are Town.
Conclusion Duyna is even more likely to be Mafia since Mafia voting her or me could hammer right now if they wanted by just switching wagons, but their not so they have incentive to keep Duyna alive.

Do you actually believe people on this site would hammer?

[dyachei]

Dya kinda defending Dunya, but not really... Feels really scummy and has very suspicious thread chemistry with TSP

I think the reasons for pushing her are bad. At least, the ones in the thread. I dont have her as town though. She's not...she's not like she was in CoV where we mindmelded hard and won the game for town

[NotAnAxehole]

Like we're talking a need for 4 votes.

[LinearPoint]

Actually that's a good point. With it being hammer its pretty odd that the votes are tied.
Mafia don't have an insensitive to split votes in a hammer scenario. And if Mafia could easily just switch wagons and hammer right now if both Duyna and me are Town.
Conclusion Duyna is even more likely to be Mafia since Mafia voting her or me could hammer right now if they wanted by just switching wagons, but their not so they have incentive to keep Duyna alive.

Do you actually believe people on this site would hammer?

Good question. I've never seen a hammer game on this site.
But you, I fully expect it.

[dunya]

Actually that's a good point. With it being hammer its pretty odd that the votes are tied.
Mafia don't have an insensitive to split votes in a hammer scenario. And if Mafia could easily just switch wagons and hammer right now if both Duyna and me are Town.
Conclusion Duyna is even more likely to be Mafia since Mafia voting her or me could hammer right now if they wanted by just switching wagons, but their not so they have incentive to keep Duyna alive.

this is a 1 dimensional conclusion in the sense why wouldn't mafia keep two t/t wagons ? i would.

[LinearPoint]

Like I'm pretty sure L-1 is synonymous with "NAA is about to end this man's life"

[NotAnAxehole]

Dya kinda defending Dunya, but not really... Feels really scummy and has very suspicious thread chemistry with TSP

I think the reasons for pushing her are bad. At least, the ones in the thread. I dont have her as town though. She's not...she's not like she was in CoV where we mindmelded hard and won the game for town

So, reading people based on what they've done in game to this point is bad?

[LinearPoint]

Actually that's a good point. With it being hammer its pretty odd that the votes are tied.
Mafia don't have an insensitive to split votes in a hammer scenario. And if Mafia could easily just switch wagons and hammer right now if both Duyna and me are Town.
Conclusion Duyna is even more likely to be Mafia since Mafia voting her or me could hammer right now if they wanted by just switching wagons, but their not so they have incentive to keep Duyna alive.

this is a 1 dimensional conclusion in the sense why wouldn't mafia keep two t/t wagons ? i would.

There's not really a good reason for that in a Hammer game.

[dunya]

Dya kinda defending Dunya, but not really... Feels really scummy and has very suspicious thread chemistry with TSP

what kinda chemistry?

[NotAnAxehole]

Actually that's a good point. With it being hammer its pretty odd that the votes are tied.
Mafia don't have an insensitive to split votes in a hammer scenario. And if Mafia could easily just switch wagons and hammer right now if both Duyna and me are Town.
Conclusion Duyna is even more likely to be Mafia since Mafia voting her or me could hammer right now if they wanted by just switching wagons, but their not so they have incentive to keep Duyna alive.

Do you actually believe people on this site would hammer?

Good question. I've never seen a hammer game on this site.
But you, I fully expect it.

Soooo... I'm going to hammer you, when I'm already voting you?

[dunya]

Dya kinda defending Dunya, but not really... Feels really scummy and has very suspicious thread chemistry with TSP

I think the reasons for pushing her are bad. At least, the ones in the thread. I dont have her as town though. She's not...she's not like she was in CoV where we mindmelded hard and won the game for town

So, reading people based on what they've done in game to this point is bad?

i am a sum of my actions, don't judge me just on one

[dyachei]

Dya kinda defending Dunya, but not really... Feels really scummy and has very suspicious thread chemistry with TSP

I think the reasons for pushing her are bad. At least, the ones in the thread. I dont have her as town though. She's not...she's not like she was in CoV where we mindmelded hard and won the game for town

So, reading people based on what they've done in game to this point is bad?

that's not what I said and tbh this is a wolfy summary from you

I said wolf reading her for spearheading a wagon on a villager is bad.

[Urist]

Actually that's a good point. With it being hammer its pretty odd that the votes are tied.
Mafia don't have an insensitive to split votes in a hammer scenario. And if Mafia could easily just switch wagons and hammer right now if both Duyna and me are Town.
Conclusion Duyna is even more likely to be Mafia since Mafia voting her or me could hammer right now if they wanted by just switching wagons, but their not so they have incentive to keep Duyna alive.

[TonyStarkPrime]

As the expert Jack reader he’s town move on

ok expert jack reader, why is jack town?

I said so

[TonyStarkPrime]

Dya kinda defending Dunya, but not really... Feels really scummy and has very suspicious thread chemistry with TSP

I think the reasons for pushing her are bad. At least, the ones in the thread. I dont have her as town though. She's not...she's not like she was in CoV where we mindmelded hard and won the game for town

So, reading people based on what they've done in game to this point is bad?

i am a sum of my actions, don't judge me just on one

the others are also bad

[Marmot]

Hi Marmot! What are you thinking about the game?

You seem to be under the impression that I'm thinking.

ok... feelings, vibes, gut checks, throwing spitballs at a dart board, all of these are valid. but gimme something

I couldn't be around for the final 8 hours of Day 1, or the beginning of Day 2, so I missed a lot.


That said. My perspective


Syn has been one of the towniest players thus far. I think there is a chance that he and dunya are wolf teammates, because that is the only way that Syn could be a wolf with this level of activity in this game. But I think it's the latter, especially given that Syn has actually been considering wolf!dunya today.

I don't like all of the arguments for wolf!dunya, but I think there is enough evidence to point to it despite her influence in the thread. For example, her read on Creature Day 1 was wrong, but her attempt to self-correct based on that and to find the wolves has pointed to an unlikely (and probably convenient/lazy) POE as TSP pointed out.

I kinda want to elim dunya today because I think it would answer a lot of things for me. If dunya flips town, I think that would absolutely confirm Syn as town (it should confirm me as town, but I'll leave that to everyone else to figure out). It probably points to LP being mafia as a counterwagon, and as someone pushing who has been pushing dunya today (and also if dunya is mafia it might clear LP). Also, I would take her read on DrWilgy as accurate.


I don't have much to say about everyone else. I've forgotten a lot of my early reads and I'm trying to redevelop them.

[NotAnAxehole]

Dya kinda defending Dunya, but not really... Feels really scummy and has very suspicious thread chemistry with TSP

I think the reasons for pushing her are bad. At least, the ones in the thread. I dont have her as town though. She's not...she's not like she was in CoV where we mindmelded hard and won the game for town

So, reading people based on what they've done in game to this point is bad?

that's not what I said and tbh this is a wolfy summary from you

I said wolf reading her for spearheading a wagon on a villager is bad.

What about wolf reading her for spearheading a wagon on a villager that also happens to generally be a bad d1 target? Also, considering said spearhead is known for good reads and good plays. Is that a double whammy?

[DrWilgy]

@dunya why are you voting for wilgy?

because i read his iso and think he's disconnected and not really concerned with solving people's slots.

i found this post terrible too:

Yeah, going to try to spot read here and there but work ends near EoD for me so I'll probably just be behind afew hundred posts today. If I do read them I likely won't be able to parse them completely.

In this wagon state, I'm likely to save Scotty. We were melding earlier and what I've seen from creature doesn't feel like his lazy t, more like rand w.

Urist and LP being on scotty makes me spooked.

My gut read of Wolfmot has faded. Was probably just knee jerk, but Dunya and Marmot being on Creature fills me with doubt.

Someone tell me as to why I'm wrong on Scotty. Like what's the solid case?

Still think there's a W in Urist/Dunya.

one wolf in urist/dunya because of how you've treated me and how i treated you d1 is a super lazy read, especially when i came around on you as town and see it as an easy wolf push. and this was shortly after he called me town in a reads list.

i feel he tmi'd mac town and tried to pocket him.

also he defended creature's gloomslank meta but ends up voting there too to "save scotty" -- another reason i think creature and scotty were always t/t.

Addressing in reverse.

I didn't think creature or Scotty were good options, but there was more likely a wolf in creature.

Oh no, a town read. I'm ok on reading Mac. I thought to practice that further this game and hard town was my conclusion. I think sticking to it confidently helped my read there.

One wolf in you/Urist isn't based on any relation to me. It's actually based on afew of your posts where you saw some fishy junk on Urist and I thought it was good. Then I read some posts that seemed within your wolf range. The conclusion of me liking the Urist scum call and then me seeing potential wolf Dunya is likely due to a fear read, tinfoil, or I'm right on one of you two but can't tell which due to the contesting as stated earlier.

[dyachei]

Dya kinda defending Dunya, but not really... Feels really scummy and has very suspicious thread chemistry with TSP

I think the reasons for pushing her are bad. At least, the ones in the thread. I dont have her as town though. She's not...she's not like she was in CoV where we mindmelded hard and won the game for town

So, reading people based on what they've done in game to this point is bad?

that's not what I said and tbh this is a wolfy summary from you

I said wolf reading her for spearheading a wagon on a villager is bad.

What about wolf reading her for spearheading a wagon on a villager that also happens to generally be a bad d1 target? Also, considering said spearhead is known for good reads and good plays. Is that a double whammy?

I disagree that he was a bad d1 target so that argument is invalid to me. I think i know creature better than like...anyone else here, too.

[NotAnAxehole]

Actually that's a good point. With it being hammer its pretty odd that the votes are tied.
Mafia don't have an insensitive to split votes in a hammer scenario. And if Mafia could easily just switch wagons and hammer right now if both Duyna and me are Town.
Conclusion Duyna is even more likely to be Mafia since Mafia voting her or me could hammer right now if they wanted by just switching wagons, but their not so they have incentive to keep Duyna alive.

LP has TMI that one of the wagons is mafia and sees no other way to explain the situation

[NotAnAxehole]

Dya kinda defending Dunya, but not really... Feels really scummy and has very suspicious thread chemistry with TSP

I think the reasons for pushing her are bad. At least, the ones in the thread. I dont have her as town though. She's not...she's not like she was in CoV where we mindmelded hard and won the game for town

So, reading people based on what they've done in game to this point is bad?

that's not what I said and tbh this is a wolfy summary from you

I said wolf reading her for spearheading a wagon on a villager is bad.

What about wolf reading her for spearheading a wagon on a villager that also happens to generally be a bad d1 target? Also, considering said spearhead is known for good reads and good plays. Is that a double whammy?

I disagree that he was a bad d1 target so that argument is invalid to me. I think i know creature better than like...anyone else here, too.

So you're saying we should kill you over Dunya? Point taken.

[DrWilgy]

I agree with dunya on Wilgy sorta. His townread of Mac was kinda over the top. Three posts in a row in defense of him.

I'm all in on killing Scotty & Mac, see where we're at after that.

How come you wanna kill me? I'm not hitting my tryhard notes?

I'm not gonna dance for you this time. I don't wanna be a tryhard. I don't need to be to make good reads.

See... Idk. I get that Mac wanna lay back, and this isn't the same Scum Mac that we saw in lost in space.

Actually imma just say Mac is town here and be done with it.

Like. Lost scum Mac feels like a shrivelled up baby newt that was left in the sun for too long and no longer remembers the scent of it's mother.

This Mac is no newt.

This Mac is also no Mafia God, but I don't mind the compromise.

Mac is always hard to elim as town, and Wilgy putting himself in a position where he hard defended Mac makes it even harder for Mac to be elim'd if Wilgy is a wolf and can't push it.

I dunno, it's a weird amount of stock to put into one read given it was based on a single post from Mac where he wasn't tryharding.


[VOTE: drwilgy] aubergine

Sometimes I just have a feel and it takes three posts to put it to words.

Also since when am I one to pocket like that. You know better Marmot.