Dr. Who Mafia - Night 12

[Epignosis]

Keys, why should anyone trust you enough to just vote someone because you say so? Are you SuperGut, the most powerful gut-based detective around?

Epig, I didn't think your case on Dom was that strong because I don't understand the basic assumption: that Dom or Nijuu has to be The Master. Why can't Hedgeowl be The Master, or Keys?

"Crazy Little Thing Called Logic"

[nijuukyugou]

I find it amusing that I am a "wild card." Immensely amusing But I'm really not that wild if you think about it. Not in the thread, at least

You're not wild in real life either. Boring ass English teacher who'd rather read Chaucer than shoot heroin off a stripper's knee.

Bitch, you don't know me.

[zeek]

Chris, all of that may be true, I was dead and not following with full attention.

I think Dom is the Master. I've said all along it was possible he could be the recruiter and you have negated that possibility.

[keys56000000000]

Chris, didn't you have a ton of votes at one stage? And then someone (>_>) persuaded people you weren't the way to go. Roxy literally had 0 votes when Dom voted for you, and unlike others, he kept his vote there. I'm of the opinion that he genuinely believed you were bad.

LC, you're right. I need to make a convincing case if I expect people to follow me. SuperGut, away!

[Epignosis]

I want to see someone shoot heroin off a strippers knee.

[nijuukyugou]

I want to see someone shoot heroin off a strippers knee.

You forgot an apostrophe.

[zeek]

I want to see someone shoot heroin off a strippers knee.

Thats between a man and his wallet.

[Chris]

keys.,.. that's what I just posted. So yes, I do think Dom thought I was bad. I don't think he was saving anyone.

And, leading up to MM's lynch, Dom expressed an equal amount of suspicion on both MM and Epig.


You know, Dom very well be bad, but I haven't seen anything between Epig and zeek's cases combined that convinces me that he's The Master, or the recruiter.

[Long Con]

Keys, why should anyone trust you enough to just vote someone because you say so? Are you SuperGut, the most powerful gut-based detective around?

Epig, I didn't think your case on Dom was that strong because I don't understand the basic assumption: that Dom or Nijuu has to be The Master. Why can't Hedgeowl be The Master, or Keys?

"Crazy Little Thing Called Logic"

But if you don't share the logic you are using, then we don't know if it's sound or faulty, so it makes it less likely that we will be able to put faith in your case. Did I miss where you laid out the logical information that leads to that conclusion, or do you prefer to just keep it private?

[Chris]

LC, this is Epig we're talking about.

Of course he chose the Sphinxian approach...

[keys56000000000]

I want to see someone shoot heroin off a strippers knee.

You forgot an apostrophe.

And an "of", if we're going to get technical. Unless he wants to cake a stripper's knee in heroin and then have it shot off.

[zeek]

I have already checked, Dom's only posts about the two of them address very little. He gave no reasoning for thinking they're both bad, but choosing Epignosis.

[Chris]

LOL!!!

I needed that keys, you fucker.

[Long Con]

I want to see someone shoot heroin off a strippers knee.

You forgot an apostrophe.

And an "of", if we're going to get technical. Unless he wants to cake a stripper's knee in heroin and then have it shot off.

The night is young!

[nijuukyugou]

I want to see someone shoot heroin off a strippers knee.

You forgot an apostrophe.

And an "of", if we're going to get technical. Unless he wants to cake a stripper's knee in heroin and then have it shot off.

The night is young!

Mmmmm, drugs.

[Chris]

I have already checked, Dom's only posts about the two of them address very little. He gave no reasoning for thinking they're both bad, but choosing Epignosis.

inb4 Dom has a massive coronary screaming that he was in NY for the entire weekend

[nijuukyugou]

And cake. I want cake.

[S~V~S]

Heroin & knee-capping strippers. Sounds like an awesome party.

[keys56000000000]

keys.,..

I don't like the look of that out-of-place comma, there..

I too want cake and strippers.

[Chris]

zeek, any ideas who the Master might be?

I dunno. I believe Chris though I have a few niggling doubts that I can't clear up really. So I would presume the real Master may have accused him as soon as he survived the double nightkill. I'd have to look back.

zeek, why didn't you use this for some reasoning. This seems stronger to me than your vote save theory.

What did you come up with anyway?

[Long Con]

I want to see someone shoot heroin off a strippers knee.

You forgot an apostrophe.

And an "of", if we're going to get technical. Unless he wants to cake a stripper's knee in heroin and then have it shot off.

The night is young!

Mmmmm, drugs.

"Work, drugs!"

[Epignosis]

I've never gone to a strip club and now that's fucking up my grammar!

[Chris]

zeek, any ideas who the Master might be?

I dunno. I believe Chris though I have a few niggling doubts that I can't clear up really. So I would presume the real Master may have accused him as soon as he survived the double nightkill. I'd have to look back.

zeek, why didn't you use this for some reasoning. This seems stronger to me than your vote save theory.

What did you come up with anyway?

Actually, scratch that. I'm of the mind that The Master would want whoever was the popular suspicion for his role alive.

[Long Con]

keys.,..

I don't like the look of that out-of-place comma, there..

Nice. I'm going to use that out-of-place comma in a future game in order to indicate that my post is a deception, a trick. I'll go back after it's done and reference the comma post, and this post, and reveal my awesome sneakiness.

It's gonna be awesome.

[Hedgeowl]

Where were you on the night of January 16th, 2014?

at home. The same place I've been every night...

[Chris]

I'm of the mind that The Master would want whoever was the popular suspicion for his role alive.

[nijuukyugou]

I want to see someone shoot heroin off a strippers knee.

You forgot an apostrophe.

And an "of", if we're going to get technical. Unless he wants to cake a stripper's knee in heroin and then have it shot off.

The night is young!

Mmmmm, drugs.

"Work, drugs!"

OMG I love Eastbound and Down.

[zeek]

zeek, why didn't you use this for some reasoning. This seems stronger to me than your vote save theory.

What did you come up with anyway?

I did look back, there were a few people eyeing you for it, most of which I can account for. If you want to take a look back Dom places it carefully, before arguing with you quite heavily about it.

I get you don't buy the case, but for someone whose been set on finding the Master and recruiter for days, you could help now.

linki - I went back anyway yesterday.

[Chris]

I am interested in finding The Master. But I don't want to take out a civ in the process. (Shut up DF, I wasn't seriously suggesting that we kill a civ. I was bringing up calculated risk, and I also don't believe your role hint)

But in the absence of being sure, with so few players left, I don't want to get it wrong. I'd rather vote for someone who I'm nearly 100% sure is a baddie.

[Marmot]

rezz please

[zeek]

So few players is exactly why a Cyber lynch will not help us. You said that on D10.

[Hedgeowl]

I'll check in tomorrow. I must get back to work and sleep.



However, on the subject of role hinting--

I really hate it. I really, really hate it. I just really hate it. Always have. Always will. There has been an absurd amount of role hinting and outing in this game and, to be honest, for those who either don't get it immediately or do not feel comfortable (and for baddies who can't really role hint) it kind of ruins the game. I don't care if this is construed to be a baddie whining (It's not, but I discussed this with my team in a previous game... the last LOST game on RM), but it's honestly not fun to me. It completely demoralizes a large group of players and it really isn't fun. In that LOST game, my team only lost because some players were essentially forcing people to role hint and out themselves and if they didn't, they were lynched.
How fun is that?
Not very.
So, no, I will not role hint. I will not do that. I will not do what I am completely against.

I will say that you will hate the result of my lynch. I am not the Master. I am not a Cyber. I am not recruited. You will not like my lynch.

I remember that all too well and completely understand. I think based on the role of the Doctor and his searching for companions that is almost impossible to prevent. It is quite like Aapje's circle of trust you are right, until we took him out ( ). I agree with your view on role hints and apologize for my role in this as well. It didnt affect me really this game and I honestly didnt think about it as many others didnt either. I applaud your choice though.

[Long Con]

rezz please

He looks trustworthy!

[Chris]

rezz please

So few players is exactly why a Cyber lynch will not help us. You said that on D10.

I did say that. But it's much better to kill a Cyber than a civ...

The urgency of needing to kill The Master is what I fear you are either trying to play off of, or being blinded by.

Honestly, it's your urgency that's giving me pause.

[zeek]

So its okay for you to try to convince people to vote DF over Bass, but when I try to lynch the Master it gives you reason to pause?

Okay, Chris.

Anyway, we could easily see a civ lynched today, but not if Dom is lynched.

[Chris]

You know what zeek? You're right. I felt pretty sure yesterday about DF. I've already said that I don't believe his role hint. That's the only thing that changed from last night....

I think the hint was bullshit.

*votes DFaraday*


4 votes to go, 35 minutes left.... Also, remember that Snow's vote is worth 2 today.

[Long Con]

Okay, I voted for Snow Dog. It looks like Dom is going to be lynched anyway, but anything could happen. I just don't feel comfortable following Epig's claims about Dom without any substantiation, and although I feel Zeek's passion for this idea, I don't think that amount of evidence for his case amounts to more than what I saw in Snow Dog's posts that some, including I, deemed "Bass supportive".

Dom is one of my number one candidates to be The Master, but it's just based on the way he seems like an enigma... his play, and the relative lack of suspicion he has received until recently, seems like The Master! Pure gut, and I'm hesitant to follow pure gut (unlike keys?). To be honest, I also feel like Strax would be smart to play the same way. But hell, what role wouldn't benefit from a game of little suspicion and relative spotlight-free play?

[Long Con]

Ha ha, Chris, ok, so no Snow Dog today I guess.

[Epignosis]

Okay, I voted for Snow Dog. It looks like Dom is going to be lynched anyway, but anything could happen. I just don't feel comfortable following Epig's claims about Dom without any substantiation, and although I feel Zeek's passion for this idea, I don't think that amount of evidence for his case amounts to more than what I saw in Snow Dog's posts that some, including I, deemed "Bass supportive".

Dom is one of my number one candidates to be The Master, but it's just based on the way he seems like an enigma... his play, and the relative lack of suspicion he has received until recently, seems like The Master! Pure gut, and I'm hesitant to follow pure gut (unlike keys?). To be honest, I also feel like Strax would be smart to play the same way. But hell, what role wouldn't benefit from a game of little suspicion and relative spotlight-free play?

If you want games with substantiation, try "Battleship."

This is Mafia.

[Chris]

[quote=LC]I also feel like Strax would be smart to play the same way.[/quote]

Which is why I thought Elo was Strax...

And, sorry to leave you solo on the Snow vote. He's bad for sure. But I can't deny that I felt strongly enough to vote DF, and since I don't believe his role hint, I have no reason to not vote him again.

Don't suppose you'll follow me there, will you?

[zeek]

This is going to be close. I don't like it one bit.

linki - Vote Dom, LC.

[S~V~S]

I honestly don't know what to do, and i have to walk the dog and go to bed. I will pop back in to vote before bed. So many suppositions. There are too many assumptions in the Dom case imo, but zeek seems SO sure. Dom seems really genuine in his frustration, but Dom plays outraged civvie better than most anyone I can think of.

brb

[Long Con]

Okay, I voted for Snow Dog. It looks like Dom is going to be lynched anyway, but anything could happen. I just don't feel comfortable following Epig's claims about Dom without any substantiation, and although I feel Zeek's passion for this idea, I don't think that amount of evidence for his case amounts to more than what I saw in Snow Dog's posts that some, including I, deemed "Bass supportive".

Dom is one of my number one candidates to be The Master, but it's just based on the way he seems like an enigma... his play, and the relative lack of suspicion he has received until recently, seems like The Master! Pure gut, and I'm hesitant to follow pure gut (unlike keys?). To be honest, I also feel like Strax would be smart to play the same way. But hell, what role wouldn't benefit from a game of little suspicion and relative spotlight-free play?

If you want games with substantiation, try "Battleship."

This is Mafia.

Well... most, if not all players attempt to substantiate their claims in this game, why won't you? It's pushing me away from voting Dom because it makes you seem bad. Like, you don't have a real reason to say these things, but instead are being manipulative like an evil dude. You could be The Master. The Master isn't a rolechecker or on a team with a rolechecker, that was your original lie detector statement, right?

[Chris]

One thing about that LC... and apparently not everyone thinks like I do.

Would Canuck replace out of The Master?

[Dom]

I have already checked, Dom's only posts about the two of them address very little. He gave no reasoning for thinking they're both bad, but choosing Epignosis.

inb4 Dom has a massive coronary screaming that he was in NY for the entire weekend

Pot, meet kettle.

Okay, I voted for Snow Dog. It looks like Dom is going to be lynched anyway, but anything could happen. I just don't feel comfortable following Epig's claims about Dom without any substantiation, and although I feel Zeek's passion for this idea, I don't think that amount of evidence for his case amounts to more than what I saw in Snow Dog's posts that some, including I, deemed "Bass supportive".

Dom is one of my number one candidates to be The Master, but it's just based on the way he seems like an enigma... his play, and the relative lack of suspicion he has received until recently, seems like The Master! Pure gut, and I'm hesitant to follow pure gut (unlike keys?). To be honest, I also feel like Strax would be smart to play the same way. But hell, what role wouldn't benefit from a game of little suspicion and relative spotlight-free play?

Exactly.

Can you please, help me? Tie the vote, LC. I am not the Master!

[Epignosis]

Okay, I voted for Snow Dog. It looks like Dom is going to be lynched anyway, but anything could happen. I just don't feel comfortable following Epig's claims about Dom without any substantiation, and although I feel Zeek's passion for this idea, I don't think that amount of evidence for his case amounts to more than what I saw in Snow Dog's posts that some, including I, deemed "Bass supportive".

Dom is one of my number one candidates to be The Master, but it's just based on the way he seems like an enigma... his play, and the relative lack of suspicion he has received until recently, seems like The Master! Pure gut, and I'm hesitant to follow pure gut (unlike keys?). To be honest, I also feel like Strax would be smart to play the same way. But hell, what role wouldn't benefit from a game of little suspicion and relative spotlight-free play?

If you want games with substantiation, try "Battleship."

This is Mafia.

Well... most, if not all players attempt to substantiate their claims in this game, why won't you? It's pushing me away from voting Dom because it makes you seem bad. Like, you don't have a real reason to say these things, but instead are being manipulative like an evil dude. You could be The Master. The Master isn't a rolechecker or on a team with a rolechecker, that was your original lie detector statement, right?

I have no problem with seeming bad. I always seem bad. I could make a career out of it.

How do you substantiate your claims against LMS?

I'm just goin by a spreadsheet, Chief.

[Chris]

Dom, I was saying that you've been saying that.

AKA, I've been defending the shit outta you for the last 2 or 3 hours...

I hope I don't get burned for this...

[S~V~S]

Yes, Chris, Canuck was very invested in her other game and did not have the time an awesome role demanded. Canuck, like Rey, quits games quite often. I replaced her in one game on TP, and it was a really good role, although not the same level as the Master.

[zeek]

[keys56000000000]

I've got nothing on Hedgeowl. She appears to be a great civvie, completely clean. Looking for a case against her in her posts is like looking up at a smooth glass building and wondering how to climb it barehanded. If you're bad, Hedgeowl, bravo! You are an adversary of refreshingly high calibre.

I'm going to change my vote, but to whom?