Re: Magic the Gathering Mafia - Day 1
Posted: Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:37 pm
Murder, Mayhem, and Mafia
https://www.mafiathesyndicate.com/
this is not our first game togetherJustplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:09 pm Null on Epi
I think kyle is wolfy for having so many posts but not a lot of content. basically, I'd shoot kyle of the two
This looks like someone who's intentionally trying to town-tell tbh.Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:48 am I dont think scum have lands. Because they could just give mana to a player of their choice who they really wanna kill for sure and target it with kill the fool.
some people are saying Over Confident Ballsy Falcon is what makes him town. is that not your experience with him?
Hopefully it takes you back to marmot, would love to see you here
What?! No, that's not how it works lolMade wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:29 pmDoesn’t this hedging only make sense if you’re wolf? Why would you knowingly hedge town (and I’ll answer your falcon question, gimmie a second to make sure I still believe the read)hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:27 pmWow, that's a hedge if I've ever seen one.Spoiler: show
"HK is a wolf probably, but like there's too much pressure b/c everyone is tunneling me" except that like two pages ago you said I was a wolf for pursuing you, so am I tunneled town or am I wolf? I can't figure out what your actual read on me is
I'd be concerned about giving it away to a wolf. Three mana to a wolf and suddenly no one has to give up their abilities to be able to perform the nightkill.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:23 pmI'm struggling to wrap my head around why I'd want to give out mana currently anyways?Made wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:23 pmI read baddie chat when i'm scum. Regardless, giving mana isn't a bad idea if you don't tell people who your giving it to, as well as don't telegraph who you're giving it toLong Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:22 pmNot if they were paying attention.Made wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:21 pmdo you really think mafia would be giving their mana out to civilians to kill them when they have more efficient means to do so?Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:14 pm Right now I wouldn't yeet Marmot, dunya, Guillo, Kylemii, JPIC off the top of my head. I have to review why the votes on ted are there. I'm voting Made right now because I didn't trust his falcon vote reasoning, and he was trying to give his mana away. Either alignment would know that we already discussed the danger of that if they were reading the thread. Made clearly wasn't reading the thread, and may have been trying to set up Pity The Fool. [VOTE: Made] aubergine
If you do think mafia would, do you think they would tell thread?
(which is why i'm planning to keep my town reads close to chest this game)
yeah ok, that's pretty spicyNicol Bolas wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:35 pmspiciest is prolly town leaning Tedhollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:32 pmGot any spicy reads?Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:09 pmI'm here but I've not really wanted to participate in thread too much
it's just messy
What's spicy about that?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:40 pmyeah ok, that's pretty spicyNicol Bolas wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:35 pmspiciest is prolly town leaning Tedhollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:32 pmGot any spicy reads?Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:09 pmI'm here but I've not really wanted to participate in thread too much
it's just messy
The thread is too messy?Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:09 pmI'm here but I've not really wanted to participate in thread too much
it's just messy
I don't want to setup spec too much, but doesn't The Fool say mana from town this night and not just "mana this night"?Urist wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:38 pmThis looks like someone who's intentionally trying to town-tell tbh.Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:48 am I dont think scum have lands. Because they could just give mana to a player of their choice who they really wanna kill for sure and target it with kill the fool.
exactly! another good reason to hoard your own lolLong Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:39 pmI'd be concerned about giving it away to a wolf. Three mana to a wolf and suddenly no one has to give up their abilities to be able to perform the nightkill.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:23 pmI'm struggling to wrap my head around why I'd want to give out mana currently anyways?Made wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:23 pmI read baddie chat when i'm scum. Regardless, giving mana isn't a bad idea if you don't tell people who your giving it to, as well as don't telegraph who you're giving it toLong Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:22 pmNot if they were paying attention.Made wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:21 pmdo you really think mafia would be giving their mana out to civilians to kill them when they have more efficient means to do so?Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:14 pm Right now I wouldn't yeet Marmot, dunya, Guillo, Kylemii, JPIC off the top of my head. I have to review why the votes on ted are there. I'm voting Made right now because I didn't trust his falcon vote reasoning, and he was trying to give his mana away. Either alignment would know that we already discussed the danger of that if they were reading the thread. Made clearly wasn't reading the thread, and may have been trying to set up Pity The Fool. [VOTE: Made] aubergine
If you do think mafia would, do you think they would tell thread?
(which is why i'm planning to keep my town reads close to chest this game)
I have ted locked as wolf never rescinding.Long Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:42 pmWhat's spicy about that?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:40 pmyeah ok, that's pretty spicyNicol Bolas wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:35 pmspiciest is prolly town leaning Tedhollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:32 pmGot any spicy reads?Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:09 pmI'm here but I've not really wanted to participate in thread too much
it's just messy
hit me up with ur spicy readshollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:40 pmyeah ok, that's pretty spicyNicol Bolas wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:35 pmspiciest is prolly town leaning Tedhollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:32 pmGot any spicy reads?Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:09 pmI'm here but I've not really wanted to participate in thread too much
it's just messy
yes, it is only for town mana.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:44 pmI don't want to setup spec too much, but doesn't The Fool say mana from town this night and not just "mana this night"?Urist wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:38 pmThis looks like someone who's intentionally trying to town-tell tbh.Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:48 am I dont think scum have lands. Because they could just give mana to a player of their choice who they really wanna kill for sure and target it with kill the fool.
That would kinda make sense to me because yeah otherwise Fool just becomes a repeatable machine gun
when I have been trying to read the thread at other times people were all getting mad at falcon and he was getting mad backLong Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:43 pmThe thread is too messy?Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:09 pmI'm here but I've not really wanted to participate in thread too much
it's just messy
What are some of these worst reasons?Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:18 pm falcon is pretty obviously town and he's been getting scum read by people for the worst reasons
I agree with the Mac take.dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:41 pmiirc, you townread urist too, and it was a good town read that i liked from you. why did that drop?Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:15 pm Why do you townread Urist? Also MacDougall? Mac's content puts him firmly in null territory for me. If anything, I'd drop him slightly because the one interaction we had earlier felt extremely lackluster, but I'm writing it off as he's just not into the game yet.
i feel urist is very comfortable in the thread and throws reads out with ease. he is pushing people in the right places. many times i wanted to ask someone for clarification or a stance, only to find that he's already poked his nose there. you can say we have mindmelded several times and i just feel he's playing loose and unrestrained, and his questions have value.
re mac: cos wolf mac wouldn't >usually< let me take control of any narratives d1 (this isn't a truth tell by any means, mac is the best wolf player i know without exception). i will tinfoil him at some point if he's town, and yeet him later if he's mafia, but he's sheeping me now and i don't feel like he has any agenda. basically, feels more like a lost sheep than someone with teammates (sorry).
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:17 pmMade, wilgy and kyledunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:49 pm on catchup, seeing LC reference my "disengaged" comment on jpic made me realize i dont think i got his reply to my question.
disengaged like you're not entering the thread with both feet, but just slightly dipping your big toe to test the waters and retreating.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:13 pmwdym by disengaged?
I have a weird townread on marmot for wanting people to scumread him. Falcon is playing balls to the wall which I like. I have zero scumreads at the moment, but I have barely read the thread.
who are your scumleans at this point. preferably at least 3.
Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:18 pm dunya I have as town for her post about understanding how people town read guillo in spider verse
feels like she came to this thought by actually trying to read guillo
ted I don't really care about the "slip" thing. I disagree with that point but there's a few fine ones
marmot feels off and I wouldn't mind lynching him
falcon is pretty obviously town and he's been getting scum read by people for the worst reasons
I'm honestly not even gonna bother trying to read guillo
urist is towny
Urist wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:24 pmI think that we should yeet marmot first.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:20 pmif im wrong on made i'd yeet marmotJustplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:17 pmMade, wilgy and kyledunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:49 pm on catchup, seeing LC reference my "disengaged" comment on jpic made me realize i dont think i got his reply to my question.
disengaged like you're not entering the thread with both feet, but just slightly dipping your big toe to test the waters and retreating.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:13 pmwdym by disengaged?
I have a weird townread on marmot for wanting people to scumread him. Falcon is playing balls to the wall which I like. I have zero scumreads at the moment, but I have barely read the thread.
who are your scumleans at this point. preferably at least 3.
Urist wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:35 pmMeh worldbuilding. Everything is built around the falcon wagon and interactions with falcon. If you were town, I think you would be trying to flip falcon first in order to give more context to the rest of your reads.Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:15 amFalcon looks like he flinging shit everywhere and seeing what sticks. Thing is, Urist and Made are two players he's not shaded at nearly the same level as many others. From his pov, Made's votes for him are lacking any amount of reason, and should not look good. Falcon's pretty much ignored it (and he's shading me for voting Made)
In addition to the above, I called Made out for his vote, and he said he was stirring shit up. I don't think he was at all, he was just spanking, but trying to make an excuse to look more productive. I believe he and falcon are teammates.
Urist defended falcon in a manner that I think looks contrived. The way Urist asks Epi to explain his read on falcon, and Urist's ensuing townread of falcon (and Ted vote) looks to me like a player who knows falcon's alignment and has his mind made up about how he's handling it.
Mac wolfJustplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:45 pmhit me up with ur spicy readshollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:40 pmyeah ok, that's pretty spicyNicol Bolas wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:35 pmspiciest is prolly town leaning Tedhollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:32 pmGot any spicy reads?Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:09 pmI'm here but I've not really wanted to participate in thread too much
it's just messy
I've said why.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:25 pm @Kylemii @Epignosis @Made Why are y'all on Falcon? Like I really really don't think he's a hit.
mostly people having minor problems with some of his reads when not paying attention to everything else he's doing that is townyEpignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:51 pmWhat are some of these worst reasons?Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:18 pm falcon is pretty obviously town and he's been getting scum read by people for the worst reasons
It's literally mod-confirmed that everyone has three lands, even the mafia.Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:42 pmThis aligns with my belief that scum cant produce mana, they rely on towns naively giving it to them or maybe syphon it after they killed their target with mana?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:24 pmI expecct mafia to have their own lands, I expect them to have their own actions in addition to the stated global wolf actions, and that's part of the reason I wolf read Ted.Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:21 pm the pity the fool card says right there on it that it only triggers damage with town mana.
meaning the mafia probably have their own lands and mana costs etc etc etc. Mafia guillotine would be accutely aware of having his own lands, and wouldn't have need to make that post (except in situations where it's a silly prank for wifom)
He did say earlier that he thought it might be difficult to produce 3 mana.
I know I can produce 3 with ease, and have done so already. It would stand to reason that wolves, being able to better coordinate their mana pools and share with each other, maybe can't produce 3 natively. Therefore extending that to "townies maybe struggle to get to 3 mana" to ME is indicative that Ted is a wolf.
If Punish The Fool is an anti-claim mechanic where it can potentially kill someone who receives all 3 mana from someone, i as a host would not give scum land that they can produce mana with, give it to a townie and then target it with punish the fool which cant be blocked.
I think we are the only ones who can produce mana with our lands and they need to figure out who we give mana to so they can use best their punish the fool ability, which means we can just lie about it and make them miss shots!
I gave my three mana to kyle
Right, but ok look at the Guillo quote with that knowledge. I don't think Guillotine says that if they're a wolf. I think that comes from town trying to figure out what the wolves have capabilities of doing.Urist wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:48 pmyes, it is only for town mana.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:44 pmI don't want to setup spec too much, but doesn't The Fool say mana from town this night and not just "mana this night"?Urist wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:38 pmThis looks like someone who's intentionally trying to town-tell tbh.Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 11:48 am I dont think scum have lands. Because they could just give mana to a player of their choice who they really wanna kill for sure and target it with kill the fool.
That would kinda make sense to me because yeah otherwise Fool just becomes a repeatable machine gun
not that i'd have objections with it being *any* mana... 6 mana for one kill is excessive and almost certainly not worth the cost. i think it's more that it eliminates some of the risk of using it if it's *any* mana, i guess.
How do you differentiate between a civilian who is unsure and a mafia member who is hedging?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:39 pmWhat?! No, that's not how it works lolMade wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:29 pmDoesn’t this hedging only make sense if you’re wolf? Why would you knowingly hedge town (and I’ll answer your falcon question, gimmie a second to make sure I still believe the read)hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:27 pmWow, that's a hedge if I've ever seen one.Spoiler: show
"HK is a wolf probably, but like there's too much pressure b/c everyone is tunneling me" except that like two pages ago you said I was a wolf for pursuing you, so am I tunneled town or am I wolf? I can't figure out what your actual read on me is
I shouldn't have to explain this to you, but ok here goes: Wolves like to hedge because it gives them an out in both directions. If thread consensus starts to shift towards HK wolf you easily jump on or add fuel to that fire by making more posts about how you thought I was wolfy early and point things out.
If the thread consensus shifts towards HK is town you bail off saying "It was a wolf lean, but yeah, I think they're town now".
It's a two-way read that allows you to move in either direction depending on how the rest of the thread is moving.
That's why it's wolfy.
Yes, it's mod-confirmed that each player has three lands, even the mafia. What is NOT mod-confirmed is that all players have 3 mana producing lands, and MTG has many many many non-mana producing lands.Urist wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:54 pmIt's literally mod-confirmed that everyone has three lands, even the mafia.Guillotine wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:42 pmThis aligns with my belief that scum cant produce mana, they rely on towns naively giving it to them or maybe syphon it after they killed their target with mana?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:24 pmI expecct mafia to have their own lands, I expect them to have their own actions in addition to the stated global wolf actions, and that's part of the reason I wolf read Ted.Kylemii wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 1:21 pm the pity the fool card says right there on it that it only triggers damage with town mana.
meaning the mafia probably have their own lands and mana costs etc etc etc. Mafia guillotine would be accutely aware of having his own lands, and wouldn't have need to make that post (except in situations where it's a silly prank for wifom)
He did say earlier that he thought it might be difficult to produce 3 mana.
I know I can produce 3 with ease, and have done so already. It would stand to reason that wolves, being able to better coordinate their mana pools and share with each other, maybe can't produce 3 natively. Therefore extending that to "townies maybe struggle to get to 3 mana" to ME is indicative that Ted is a wolf.
If Punish The Fool is an anti-claim mechanic where it can potentially kill someone who receives all 3 mana from someone, i as a host would not give scum land that they can produce mana with, give it to a townie and then target it with punish the fool which cant be blocked.
I think we are the only ones who can produce mana with our lands and they need to figure out who we give mana to so they can use best their punish the fool ability, which means we can just lie about it and make them miss shots!
I gave my three mana to kyle
Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:48 pmwhen I have been trying to read the thread at other times people were all getting mad at falcon and he was getting mad backLong Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:43 pmThe thread is too messy?Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:09 pmI'm here but I've not really wanted to participate in thread too much
it's just messy
guillo was doing his thing lol
marmot was literally wolf claiming for wifom reasons which is just awful
etc
I've already explained my reads on Made and KyleMarmot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:51 pm
Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:17 pmMade, wilgy and kyledunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 4:49 pm on catchup, seeing LC reference my "disengaged" comment on jpic made me realize i dont think i got his reply to my question.
disengaged like you're not entering the thread with both feet, but just slightly dipping your big toe to test the waters and retreating.Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Mon Mar 08, 2021 2:13 pmwdym by disengaged?
I have a weird townread on marmot for wanting people to scumread him. Falcon is playing balls to the wall which I like. I have zero scumreads at the moment, but I have barely read the thread.
who are your scumleans at this point. preferably at least 3.
Why these three?
In any other game, these three would fit a very particular mold of player who tends to shitpost more than others. What do you see here?
bruh moment postMarmot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:54 pm
Yes, and like I said, it isn't a strong read by any means. I'm open to changing my stance. Why is he not town?
noMarmot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:57 pmNicol Bolas wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:48 pmwhen I have been trying to read the thread at other times people were all getting mad at falcon and he was getting mad backLong Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:43 pmThe thread is too messy?Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:09 pmI'm here but I've not really wanted to participate in thread too much
it's just messy
guillo was doing his thing lol
marmot was literally wolf claiming for wifom reasons which is just awful
etc
I have 100 posts, and you're scumreading me for deliberate wifom?
Generally I feel that personal attacks are a scum-tell. I think it's seen as a simple way to fake emotion (oh i'm so angry that i'm gonna call you a poopoo head!).dunya wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 2:13 pmcalling people dumb/stupid is also really triggering for me and it feels like a last resort. if kyle is so bad, there are way better ways to show it. i don't think someone being aggressive is a town-tell, i've learned that the hard way recently on TS.Urist wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 12:01 am I don't think that falcon is mafia. I think his posting style is slightly combative, but I have an easy time following his thought process and understanding the reasoning behind his reads, even if some of the interactions with Guillotine and Kyle are a little silly.
On the other hand, I feel that tedxtr isn't trying to solve the game. When I questioned him on his reasons for voting for LC, he couldn't come up with anything, which is fine if it was a misunderstanding, but he hasn't moved his vote. He also hasn't attempted to push or question anyone else. I get the feeling he is on the defensive due to the pressure on him.
I also didn't love his justification around 3-mana-gate, it felt like the nervous response of someone caught in a lie.
[VOTE: tedextr] aubergine
tedxtr: the whole "i misunderstood something something it's all fine now" to his only read in the game without clarifying stuff is another reason i think he's bad. i dont see any inquisition from him and it's more retracting suspicion or laying low and something i feel mafia ted would resort to if he was catching heat early for a potential "slip" maybe.
i think i like both wagons atp in the thread.
when we were getting into the weeds of mafia mana production he said this:Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:53 pmI've said why.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:25 pm @Kylemii @Epignosis @Made Why are y'all on Falcon? Like I really really don't think he's a hit.
Why am I wrong?
and I snap town read him for it b/c I don't think that's an angle that wolf Falcon ever takes there, unless it's specifically to pocket someone who's been very talkative about how much mana wolves potentially can produce. And it really jibes with what I've been thinking. And finally, I can make 3 mana toofalcon45ca wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 11:16 pmOr the wolves start with fewer than 3 mana each, which if Ted's scum, leads him to believe town also start with fewer than 3?Urist wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:34 pmActually, this kind of reads like ted is a wolf with 3 lands who thinks that townies start with fewer.Long Con wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 10:29 pmI don't think that 3 mana is tough to gather. I can produce that much mana in a night. I don't know how many lands you have, but I have three. If that's standard, then this is probably somewhere near equivalent to a wolf giving up their personal ability in order to use Punish The Fool.tedxtr wrote: ↑Sun Mar 07, 2021 3:15 am so punish the fool seems like a pretty punishing ability for our team.
the best we can probably do is to make scum play whack-a-mole. we all need mana for something...
fix suggestion : everyone should ask for the mana they need (and that's it - just ask for the mana, don't say what it's for or that it needs priority, etc etc), irregardless of how good or bad their ability is.
loop holes : the mafia will target strong people this way, so we're a bit forced to spread the cards to someone they don't need dead. (PoEish targets that can reasonably be town)
my instinct is to say that 3 mana is a bit tough to gather? so let's not try to get caught up in an ability that takes quite a bit to use anyway.
thoughts / concerns about this?
Why would a townie ever say "3 mana is a bit tough to gather" here?
I have 3 as well, thought Ted assuming it tricky to acquire a bit unusual
Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:58 pmnoMarmot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:57 pmNicol Bolas wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:48 pmwhen I have been trying to read the thread at other times people were all getting mad at falcon and he was getting mad backLong Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:43 pmThe thread is too messy?Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:09 pmI'm here but I've not really wanted to participate in thread too much
it's just messy
guillo was doing his thing lol
marmot was literally wolf claiming for wifom reasons which is just awful
etc
I have 100 posts, and you're scumreading me for deliberate wifom?
read the question asked to me to understand my answer
The mana discussion is part of the reason I am voting Made. You're being theatrically obstinate, why?Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:58 pm Can people stop worrying about the damn mana? Everyone is going to do what they want to with it anyway.
If your discussion does nothing to help you get a sense if the person you are talking to is trying to banish you to the Spine of the World, what are you having it for?
unsure kinda reads differently to me, at least in my experience anyways. Two-way reads are purposefully open to moving in either direction whereas unsure reads are generally accompanied with explanations of why they're unsure, yeah?Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:56 pmHow do you differentiate between a civilian who is unsure and a mafia member who is hedging?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:39 pmWhat?! No, that's not how it works lolMade wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:29 pmDoesn’t this hedging only make sense if you’re wolf? Why would you knowingly hedge town (and I’ll answer your falcon question, gimmie a second to make sure I still believe the read)hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:27 pmWow, that's a hedge if I've ever seen one.Spoiler: show
"HK is a wolf probably, but like there's too much pressure b/c everyone is tunneling me" except that like two pages ago you said I was a wolf for pursuing you, so am I tunneled town or am I wolf? I can't figure out what your actual read on me is
I shouldn't have to explain this to you, but ok here goes: Wolves like to hedge because it gives them an out in both directions. If thread consensus starts to shift towards HK wolf you easily jump on or add fuel to that fire by making more posts about how you thought I was wolfy early and point things out.
If the thread consensus shifts towards HK is town you bail off saying "It was a wolf lean, but yeah, I think they're town now".
It's a two-way read that allows you to move in either direction depending on how the rest of the thread is moving.
That's why it's wolfy.
someone asked me why I said the thread was messy and I wasn't too enthusiastic about participating in itMarmot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:02 pmNicol Bolas wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:58 pmnoMarmot wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:57 pmNicol Bolas wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:48 pmwhen I have been trying to read the thread at other times people were all getting mad at falcon and he was getting mad backLong Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:43 pmThe thread is too messy?Nicol Bolas wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:09 pmI'm here but I've not really wanted to participate in thread too much
it's just messy
guillo was doing his thing lol
marmot was literally wolf claiming for wifom reasons which is just awful
etc
I have 100 posts, and you're scumreading me for deliberate wifom?
read the question asked to me to understand my answer
I would prefer if you explain it to me like I'm 5.
ultimately the fundamental difference is intent, and I think you show that intent through your historical posting.hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:03 pmunsure kinda reads differently to me, at least in my experience anyways. Two-way reads are purposefully open to moving in either direction whereas unsure reads are generally accompanied with explanations of why they're unsure, yeah?Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:56 pmHow do you differentiate between a civilian who is unsure and a mafia member who is hedging?hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:39 pmWhat?! No, that's not how it works lolMade wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:29 pmDoesn’t this hedging only make sense if you’re wolf? Why would you knowingly hedge town (and I’ll answer your falcon question, gimmie a second to make sure I still believe the read)hollowkatt wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:27 pmWow, that's a hedge if I've ever seen one.Spoiler: show
"HK is a wolf probably, but like there's too much pressure b/c everyone is tunneling me" except that like two pages ago you said I was a wolf for pursuing you, so am I tunneled town or am I wolf? I can't figure out what your actual read on me is
I shouldn't have to explain this to you, but ok here goes: Wolves like to hedge because it gives them an out in both directions. If thread consensus starts to shift towards HK wolf you easily jump on or add fuel to that fire by making more posts about how you thought I was wolfy early and point things out.
If the thread consensus shifts towards HK is town you bail off saying "It was a wolf lean, but yeah, I think they're town now".
It's a two-way read that allows you to move in either direction depending on how the rest of the thread is moving.
That's why it's wolfy.
So take that, and combine with other posts they're making, and make an informed read. I mean I know I've caught wolves off of them making two-way reads before, it's one of the most reliable things I catch them on. I think Unsure Reads have more explanations to go along with them AND/OR have some backstory to them.
This "unsure" read comes after Ted hard wolf reads me for a while, then says I'm tunneled town, then goes back to wolf, and won't commit to either direction. Therefore it's not "unsure", it's "hedging"
Urist wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:58 pm Generally I feel that personal attacks are a scum-tell. I think it's seen as a simple way to fake emotion (oh i'm so angry that i'm gonna call you a poopoo head!).
I am also ok with both wagons. I've backed off of ted but I'm still fine with him being yeeted. We'll see what happens at EoD.
I'm out of time to catch up, I have to run out and won't be back home for a while. I should be able to get a vote in if necessary (and if I remember).
wolfy probablyLong Con wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:02 pmThe mana discussion is part of the reason I am voting Made. You're being theatrically obstinate, why?Epignosis wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 5:58 pm Can people stop worrying about the damn mana? Everyone is going to do what they want to with it anyway.
If your discussion does nothing to help you get a sense if the person you are talking to is trying to banish you to the Spine of the World, what are you having it for?
is town falcon a hedgy player?Made wrote: ↑Tue Mar 09, 2021 6:02 pmIt’s not the over confidence, that’s normal. it’s the intentionality for me. He’s not very shifty this game, which seems safe to me