The Syndicate

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:02 pm no wolves in:
tutuu
mac
alison
juliets
hally
tedxtr

tiny paranoia but otherwise super town:
poison chan
oddmerta
tonystarkprime (colin)

townreads:
dyachei
dizzy

tiny townreads:
samusamu
nanook
master radishes
long con
herm
drwilgy

upper poe:
timsup2nothing
spf

lower poe:
sprityo
jpic

can you explain why dizzy is a town read? and why ted is so high?

coz he has shown this exact behavior before. he high posted and GOATed as mafia, fooled everyone, played his heart out. then next game he rolls town, minimum posts and all the posts that he makes are to explain how much he does not plan on posting and how he just plans to sheep

ted cuz let me fetch my stuff about him, nothing has changed for me

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Sep 01, 2020 1:07 am
TEDXTR did a metamorphosis itt, please note how he got upset at my lashing at him, and how when he later returned he changed his modus operandi and became much mellower and try to calmly be diplomatic with ppl as opposed to earlier when he was messing around. i also believe he lied about playing scummy on purpose, my read is that he just said it cuz he wanted to look sophisticated or something, dunno

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:40 am

Alison wrote: ↑Mon Aug 31, 2020 7:38 am Why do you townread ted, tutuu?

towny hypocrisy in posting that cringe gif at me for scumreading him, as if it was a gotcha moment

"haha tutuu u called me ridiculous for scumreading u, but look at u, YOU SCUMREAD ME URSELF, HAHA!" *cringe gif*

completely unabashed, unashamed, disregarding how he comes off as, as if he forgot he literally said he purposely played scummy

when i feel this kind of emotion towards a player they're usually town

this too, please read in context the posts above and see for urself

im towntunneled on him so maybe this is a confbias but he put me as his top townread after this without explanation needed in his big read list. he gave an explanation for everyone for me it was just "nuff said"

and i guess he's come around to scumreading me now because of his mood, he was in a combative / argumentative mood, saw some of my posts, i guess he disliked the "soul" behind them and said that he thinks they're scummy even tho its silly to scumread me lets be honest

There's this thing I like to do as scum, you enter the game knowing that sooner or later you are going to draw suspicion. It's inevitable and unavoidable. What you do is make yourself suspicious on purpose but in a way that you can defend, you choose the battlefield, you set the terms. This way you are less likely to face off against real suspicion, suspicion you are unprepared for, or when you do come up against it you've already set a precedent for clearing yourself


Once I said that "I am a cop". instead of saying "I am the cop" knowing that was what townoes would latch onto, covered myself against the immediate sus on me and was so convincing that I was killed by a rival scum faction that night

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:07 pm coz he has shown this exact behavior before. he high posted and GOATed as mafia, fooled everyone, played his heart out. then next game he rolls town, minimum posts and all the posts that he makes are to explain how much he does not plan on posting and how he just plans to sheep

ted cuz let me fetch my stuff about him, nothing has changed for me

also more about dizzy: he uses something he calls the "erect finger tell" to townread people. so like when ppl get sassy and stuff

he has shown the "erect finger tell" himself multiple times this game, and like, if he genuinely believes that is a town tell, it means that he probably cant fake it that well as scum / feels bad for doing so? dunno, this might be a towntunnel confbias too

thanks, tutuu, I do agree that ted did change a bit in the thread

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:23 am We’re so impatient

lol im a cop

And here we are

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:18 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 2:23 am We’re so impatient

lol im a cop

And here we are

whats the connection between ur story and jpic tho?

jpic's "preplanned 6 dimensional omae wa mou shindeiru backgammon master plan strategy" was to say "i am obv town" and "is it too late to rescind yet"

odd what's your point? Jpic is still probably a wolf

I'm also not liking the complacency in the thread, I just can't decide exactly where to focus my energy. I want to at least follow Mac's plan today with a sprit yeet, though I want to echo Hally's message to [mention]sprityo[/mention]: sprit if you are town you are going to have to claim if you want to have any chance at all and the time to do that is now. Don't do what nutella did which caused maximum chaos which I'm sure was intentional. Claim now. I won't believe you if it's last minute.

Anyway, complacency. I'll look at sprityo again and then JPIC and then maybe spend some time on spf, tutuu and MR. I haven't completely written off Nanook but his claim sounds plausible. My biggest concern about it is that it requires him to target the NK to get the extra vote instead of just identifying the NK but now I'm trying to second guess how the host would have designed a role. It's just maybe a little too easy to have made up once he knew he was seen visiting Mac. So I don't know, I'm vacillating and basically just deferring a decision about him.

If anyone has other suggestions on what the best use of our time is right now I'm all ears.

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:13 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:07 pm coz he has shown this exact behavior before. he high posted and GOATed as mafia, fooled everyone, played his heart out. then next game he rolls town, minimum posts and all the posts that he makes are to explain how much he does not plan on posting and how he just plans to sheep

ted cuz let me fetch my stuff about him, nothing has changed for me

also more about dizzy: he uses something he calls the "erect finger tell" to townread people. so like when ppl get sassy and stuff

he has shown the "erect finger tell" himself multiple times this game, and like, if he genuinely believes that is a town tell, it means that he probably cant fake it that well as scum / feels bad for doing so? dunno, this might be a towntunnel confbias too

he sorta faked the erect finger tell in the game he just fooled me in which is one of the reasons i tr him. but it wasn’t quite the same

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:31 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:13 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:07 pm coz he has shown this exact behavior before. he high posted and GOATed as mafia, fooled everyone, played his heart out. then next game he rolls town, minimum posts and all the posts that he makes are to explain how much he does not plan on posting and how he just plans to sheep

ted cuz let me fetch my stuff about him, nothing has changed for me

also more about dizzy: he uses something he calls the "erect finger tell" to townread people. so like when ppl get sassy and stuff

he has shown the "erect finger tell" himself multiple times this game, and like, if he genuinely believes that is a town tell, it means that he probably cant fake it that well as scum / feels bad for doing so? dunno, this might be a towntunnel confbias too

he sorta faked the erect finger tell in the game he just fooled me in which is one of the reasons i tr him. but it wasn’t quite the same

What is the erect finger tell?

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:28 pm I'm also not liking the complacency in the thread, I just can't decide exactly where to focus my energy. I want to at least follow Mac's plan today with a sprit yeet, though I want to echo Hally's message to @sprityo: sprit if you are town you are going to have to claim if you want to have any chance at all and the time to do that is now. Don't do what nutella did which caused maximum chaos which I'm sure was intentional. Claim now. I won't believe you if it's last minute.

Anyway, complacency. I'll look at sprityo again and then JPIC and then maybe spend some time on spf, tutuu and MR. I haven't completely written off Nanook but his claim sounds plausible. My biggest concern about it is that it requires him to target the NK to get the extra vote instead of just identifying the NK but now I'm trying to second guess how the host would have designed a role. It's just maybe a little too easy to have made up once he knew he was seen visiting Mac. So I don't know, I'm vacillating and basically just deferring a decision about him.

If anyone has other suggestions on what the best use of our time is right now I'm all ears.

i think nooks claim can easily be fake tbh. he’s clever enough to think of something like that and it’s pretty convenient for explaining why he targeted mac

if that’s the sole reason you have for trusting him i wouldn’t

dyachei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:26 pm odd what's your point? Jpic is still probably a wolf

Not probably, jpic is a wolf

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:33 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:31 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:13 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:07 pm coz he has shown this exact behavior before. he high posted and GOATed as mafia, fooled everyone, played his heart out. then next game he rolls town, minimum posts and all the posts that he makes are to explain how much he does not plan on posting and how he just plans to sheep

ted cuz let me fetch my stuff about him, nothing has changed for me

also more about dizzy: he uses something he calls the "erect finger tell" to townread people. so like when ppl get sassy and stuff

he has shown the "erect finger tell" himself multiple times this game, and like, if he genuinely believes that is a town tell, it means that he probably cant fake it that well as scum / feels bad for doing so? dunno, this might be a towntunnel confbias too

he sorta faked the erect finger tell in the game he just fooled me in which is one of the reasons i tr him. but it wasn’t quite the same

What is the erect finger tell?

it’s like when you sassily tell someone off for how they’re playing

so like when ppl get sassy and stuff

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:34 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:26 pm odd what's your point? Jpic is still probably a wolf

Not probably, jpic is a wolf

ok and? what's your point?

I don't like counting my chickens before they hatch

Oh ok thanks!

nut has shown that the scum team is capable of thinking up believable fake claims

it wouldn’t surprise if the whole team has had towny sounding fake claims ready to go from the start

so we really should proceed with caution as far as believing unverifiable claims

just yeet scummy ppl

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:37 pm nut has shown that the scum team is capable of thinking up believable fake claims

it wouldn’t surprise if the whole team has had towny sounding fake claims ready to go from the start

so we really should proceed with caution as far as believing unverifiable claims

just yeet scummy ppl

although this stands in direct contrast with jpic claiming cop who peeked mac

so maybe the scum team is not that clever

but the principle nonetheless applies

its not that hard to come up with fake things to claim as scum so use healthy skepticism

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:37 pm nut has shown that the scum team is capable of thinking up believable fake claims

it wouldn’t surprise if the whole team has had towny sounding fake claims ready to go from the start

so we really should proceed with caution as far as believing unverifiable claims

just yeet scummy ppl

Yeah you're right. The feeling I got is that they were scrambling to put together her fake role because she kept adding aspects of it ("Oh, I should have told you I have a list of all the songs in the game") so probably after that they thought out fake roles for the rest of them, ready to go. I'll relook at Nanook.

nanook was kind of weird because he implied he couldn't answer then later said he was trying to draw a night kill. just seems weird because there are a lot of strong, obvious town in the thread

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:39 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:37 pm nut has shown that the scum team is capable of thinking up believable fake claims

it wouldn’t surprise if the whole team has had towny sounding fake claims ready to go from the start

so we really should proceed with caution as far as believing unverifiable claims

just yeet scummy ppl

although this stands in direct contrast with jpic claiming cop who peeked mac

so maybe the scum team is not that clever

hmmm...yeah maybe they didn't make them up fast enough and JPIC just panicked.

dyachei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:44 pm nanook was kind of weird because he implied he couldn't answer then later said he was trying to draw a night kill. just seems weird because there are a lot of strong, obvious town in the thread

Yes why would the mafia night kill Nanook who is suspect when there are bigger fish to fry for them?

well he said he tried to soft doctor so like thats not inherently illogical imo to think he could try to bait a kill or at least a roleblock if he's town

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:52 pm well he said he tried to soft doctor so like thats not inherently illogical imo to think he could try to bait a kill or at least a roleblock if he's town

I forgot about the doctor soft. I just need to re-read him so I've got his story straight.

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 3:49 am @Timsup2nothin do u love me too

yup

dyachei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:44 pm nanook was kind of weird because he implied he couldn't answer then later said he was trying to draw a night kill. just seems weird because there are a lot of strong, obvious town in the thread

yea i don’t really buy it tbh

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 7:58 am

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:53 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:50 pm where im at is like

there are many ppl i tr either because of nut or because of their individually very towny

then there are a smaller group of ppl that imo have nothing really going for them

and i don’t really have any qualms eliminating every person in the bottom group and i probably won’t actually care much about the game until those ppl are all dead but i’ll probably be dead then too so idk

Not a bad take. I just think that if we flip Sprit and find a wolf...especially a wolf with some sort of power built upon post capping...that Nanook and JPIC then "have something going for them."

"i am a wolf and my teammates are sprit and jpic"

That would be such a cool EZ game, wouldn't it? After you mischop me please do better.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:53 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:52 pm well he said he tried to soft doctor so like thats not inherently illogical imo to think he could try to bait a kill or at least a roleblock if he's town

I forgot about the doctor soft. I just need to re-read him so I've got his story straight.

i don’t think he ever actually softed doc himself? i thought mac just guessed he might be. but i don’t remember

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 8:57 am I honestly think Tim's repeated attacks on Oddmerta is outing

And yet his attacks on me, which are ALL THAT HE DOES are towny. Hilarious.

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:06 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:53 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:52 pm well he said he tried to soft doctor so like thats not inherently illogical imo to think he could try to bait a kill or at least a roleblock if he's town

I forgot about the doctor soft. I just need to re-read him so I've got his story straight.

i don’t think he ever actually softed doc himself? i thought mac just guessed he might be. but i don’t remember

that's my recollection as well

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:06 pm

Alison wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 7:58 am

Timsup2nothin wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:53 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Thu Sep 03, 2020 9:50 pm where im at is like

there are many ppl i tr either because of nut or because of their individually very towny

then there are a smaller group of ppl that imo have nothing really going for them

and i don’t really have any qualms eliminating every person in the bottom group and i probably won’t actually care much about the game until those ppl are all dead but i’ll probably be dead then too so idk

Not a bad take. I just think that if we flip Sprit and find a wolf...especially a wolf with some sort of power built upon post capping...that Nanook and JPIC then "have something going for them."

"i am a wolf and my teammates are sprit and jpic"

That would be such a cool EZ game, wouldn't it? After you mischop me please do better.

it would be more helpful if instead of doing this you pursued and developed your own reads more. so like case ppl, tell us why certain ppl are town or scum, etc. because as displeased as you sound about the current state of things i feel you haven’t taken a lot of action to like... change anything

dyachei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:14 am is anyone else concerned by the complacency in the thread?

Yes absolutely. Unfortunately, the way I borked day one the only access I have to breaking it up is green flipping.

like outside of “odd is scum for calling me scum” i have no real clue where you stand on anything tim

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:45 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:39 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:37 pm nut has shown that the scum team is capable of thinking up believable fake claims

it wouldn’t surprise if the whole team has had towny sounding fake claims ready to go from the start

so we really should proceed with caution as far as believing unverifiable claims

just yeet scummy ppl

although this stands in direct contrast with jpic claiming cop who peeked mac

so maybe the scum team is not that clever

hmmm...yeah maybe they didn't make them up fast enough and JPIC just panicked.

Or... Work with me here... I am literally just a cop

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:57 am

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:56 am Scums are on the spirit wagon

considering it’s half the players that’s very likely correct

It was a zero content thing to say that someone was likely to mindmeld with.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:12 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:45 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:39 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:37 pm nut has shown that the scum team is capable of thinking up believable fake claims

it wouldn’t surprise if the whole team has had towny sounding fake claims ready to go from the start

so we really should proceed with caution as far as believing unverifiable claims

just yeet scummy ppl

although this stands in direct contrast with jpic claiming cop who peeked mac

so maybe the scum team is not that clever

hmmm...yeah maybe they didn't make them up fast enough and JPIC just panicked.

Or... Work with me here... I am literally just a cop

i refuse to entertain this idea unless you put in a modicum of effort

you can’t expect ppl to work with you or give you the benefit of the doubt if you don’t do anything. it’s a two way street here. no one is a mind reader. we cannot know you’re town unless you show us. either give us something to work with or stop complaining please

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:58 am i don’t really think wagon formation is gonna be so telling here because the only reason sprit got in the lead is because mac told us to kill him first

he’s kinda calling the shots so wagon movement isn’t natural or readable in the same way

Well, the towncore was already committed to "these are the wolves" so voting anywhere else would be a bit suspect. I mean look at how Oddmerta basically does nothing but tunnel Mac's designated 99% wolf and get towncred for it.

god hally you're so freaking town

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:02 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 11:58 am i don’t really think wagon formation is gonna be so telling here because the only reason sprit got in the lead is because mac told us to kill him first

he’s kinda calling the shots so wagon movement isn’t natural or readable in the same way

Well I don't like it

And yet, if you are a wolf you are playing on it perfectly.

like you’re not a rookie jpic. you know what you could do to improve your situation and you have actively refused to do it for the entirety of this game. so now you’ve made your bed. it’s not on us, it’s on you. im not meaning to give you a hard time but that’s the reality

i really wish we could defenestrate 2 people today

dyachei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:18 pm i really wish we could defenestrate 2 people today

mood

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 1:12 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:45 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:39 pm

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:37 pm nut has shown that the scum team is capable of thinking up believable fake claims

it wouldn’t surprise if the whole team has had towny sounding fake claims ready to go from the start

so we really should proceed with caution as far as believing unverifiable claims

just yeet scummy ppl

although this stands in direct contrast with jpic claiming cop who peeked mac

so maybe the scum team is not that clever

hmmm...yeah maybe they didn't make them up fast enough and JPIC just panicked.

Or... Work with me here... I am literally just a cop

JPIC you know what? I really want to believe you, but that's because I like you. Unfortunately, my emotions have no place in a mafia game.

Hally wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:33 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:28 pm I'm also not liking the complacency in the thread, I just can't decide exactly where to focus my energy. I want to at least follow Mac's plan today with a sprit yeet, though I want to echo Hally's message to @sprityo: sprit if you are town you are going to have to claim if you want to have any chance at all and the time to do that is now. Don't do what nutella did which caused maximum chaos which I'm sure was intentional. Claim now. I won't believe you if it's last minute.

Anyway, complacency. I'll look at sprityo again and then JPIC and then maybe spend some time on spf, tutuu and MR. I haven't completely written off Nanook but his claim sounds plausible. My biggest concern about it is that it requires him to target the NK to get the extra vote instead of just identifying the NK but now I'm trying to second guess how the host would have designed a role. It's just maybe a little too easy to have made up once he knew he was seen visiting Mac. So I don't know, I'm vacillating and basically just deferring a decision about him.

If anyone has other suggestions on what the best use of our time is right now I'm all ears.

i think nooks claim can easily be fake tbh. he’s clever enough to think of something like that and it’s pretty convenient for explaining why he targeted mac

if that’s the sole reason you have for trusting him i wouldn’t

I agree with this. It's a very clever claim and Nanook is a very clever player.

At the same time the role, if real, is a brilliant balancer and I give Sloonei credit for being fully capable of having included it.

Oddmerta wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:34 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Fri Sep 04, 2020 12:26 pm odd what's your point? Jpic is still probably a wolf

Not probably, jpic is a wolf

How does that go....man I hate it so much when people say it I can't remember how it goe...

Oh.

Yeah.

Is this TMI?

no

no it most certainly is not