Philosophy Mafia 2: Electric Boogaloo

[Marmot]

Nutella is obv town and I want to take that mischop away please. If I can do anything this game.

I think you might be wrong, but I'm willing to not yeet her today.

[Dyslexicon]

Nutella is obv town and I want to take that mischop away please. If I can do anything this game.

I think you might be wrong, but I'm willing to not yeet her today.

No, I'm right. You're just miffed cause she got paranoid of you.

This is the new and. confident me. Enjoy.

[Marmot]

I still have not seen a good reason from you why JJJ would prefer anne to die over Wilgy, Axehole, and MR (the lattermost of which is confirmed town)

Does it truly not occur to you that mafia does vote other mafia?
Especially when Anne was the leading wagon at the time.
And Jimmay did not have a good standing in the thread himself.
So to collect cred for a wagon that was already looking to be popular (Anne wagon) or to muddy the water for late game, mafia can vote mafia.

I'm not saying this definitely did happen.
But do you just assume these things never happen? I've seen it happen plenty of times.

I already said I don't want assertions that something could have happened, instead I want evidence that it did happen. I explained the Jay/anne thing a million times so just look through my ISO.

Then bring freaking EVIDENCE to your CLAIMS that the two last mafia is in me/Esooa/Nutella. Because I'm pretty damn sure you're just wrong. And you do not have evidence. You THINKING this is not evidence.

You can never have clear evidence in a mafia game. That is the freaking point of the game. If you are town, you DO NOT KNOW. You can guess, but you can never know.

The "evidence" I have is that I think other players in the game is townier than Anne. I know Calexa scum read Anne quite a bit. That is not much, but it's why I consider Anne as possible mafia.

Jimmay voting Anne isn't really relevant to my read on her.

I posted my thoughts on Mac spew. Check my ISO. There has been evidence posted wert nutella and esooa (although I think it clears you), feel free to argue those points.

[Marmot]

Nutella is obv town and I want to take that mischop away please. If I can do anything this game.

I think you might be wrong, but I'm willing to not yeet her today.

No, I'm right. You're just miffed cause she got paranoid of you.

This is the new and. confident me. Enjoy.

I think her paranoia of me has developed as a result of being a boxed in wolf, but that's not really a point I want to argue right now. It doesn't feel productive.

I've made other points wert nutella that are less related to me that are probably easier to discuss.

[Marmot]

Serious question: Does anyone else but Leetic think that iaafr is confirmed? Would be good to know if I can cross him off the list. @nutella

iaafr wouldn't be confirmed if he had received that role specifically, because we wouldn't know he conditions on his role, only that he was a dayvig, but Nanook flipping that role makes it clear it exists, and thus, clears iaafr.

[Marmot]

Imagine Jimmay/Mac/Sloonei all rand mafia together and just... implode lol. I can imagine.

I didn't want to say it before esooa flips but...

[Marmot]

For my own sanity and ego, can you explain why I am suddenly your strongest townread today Dizzy after being borderline scumread yesterday, and why you aren't discussing your read of me with nutella?

[nutella]

marmot if youre town read me better and maybe i'll return the favor

you should know better than to think i'm in scum range

[Marmot]

marmot if youre town read me better and maybe i'll return the favor

you should know better than to think i'm in scum range

I do think you're not really in your scumrange, but spew.

[Marmot]

But also, everyone's saying "aaah I'm soo townie, this is my town meta I'm literally outside of my scumrange" and I can only believe so many people saying that

[Dyslexicon]

For my own sanity and ego, can you explain why I am suddenly your strongest townread today Dizzy after being borderline scumread yesterday, and why you aren't discussing your read of me with nutella?

1. I'll read your ISO of Nut/Mac tomorrow. My reasons for town reading Nut are different though. How she didn't echo the "Jimmay is off" that everyone was saying and how she's reacting to Leetic. I've stated them in my ISO if you're interested. (Sorry, I haven't read D3 yet, and I can't read more now and am very soon sleeping).
2. Thank you for the clarification about iaafr's role. I get it now. Didn't remember what Nanook had flipped.
3. My scum read on you already changed during me reading up on D1 right after I came for you. I felt your start of the game was awkward and looked like scum!you. I kind of changed my mind as I kept reading and you kept pushing out analysis. And it has gradually kind of just disappeared, cause I'm just taking your involvement and analysis at face value. I also really liked your post about feeling bad because you felt you were working hard, but still got suspected. I wasn't really very suspicious of you after literally moments after I had just accused you. I don't know why I felt so confident at first, maybe just wanting to feel confident in something, but yeah, I changed my mind. I think your solving efforts are good here and I don't really see the need to tinfoil you here. I do think I can read you fairly well, which is maybe part of why I was able to convince myself you were scum at first when I felt your start was off. (This was also me reading your interaction with Jimmay, but I think it was a misread.) Also, I did tell Nutella that you are town. And I'm telling you that Nutella is town. Now kiss.

[Dyslexicon]

But also, everyone's saying "aaah I'm soo townie, this is my town meta I'm literally outside of my scumrange" and I can only believe so many people saying that

I'm probably not out of scum "range" peeersonally, I'm just far out of scum "meta" lol. I could do what I'm doing as scum, I just wouldn't. If that makes sense.

Anyway, I don't know if Anne and Esooa has argued this.
Or Wilgy, who is my backup.

[Dyslexicon]

Apparently I have 21 posts left until I'm post capped. I'll save those for tomorrow after work. I should be free.

Good night for real. ^^

[Marmot]

But also, everyone's saying "aaah I'm soo townie, this is my town meta I'm literally outside of my scumrange" and I can only believe so many people saying that

I'm probably not out of scum "range" peeersonally, I'm just far out of scum "meta" lol. I could do what I'm doing as scum, I just wouldn't. If that makes sense.

Anyway, I don't know if Anne and Esooa has argued this.
Or Wilgy, who is my backup.

I think it's true that you're in you're somewhat within scum range, but I'm letting evidence hold my mind steady on you being town unless we're wrong in other places.

[Marmot]

Oh good, I still have 47 posts after this one.

[staypositivefriend]

will be around for the next hour if anyone wants to talk about stuff

[Marmot]

Yes

[nutella]

ive got some brandy

[Marmot]

I just ate some chocolate

Endangered Species brand, the kind with the elephant on it.

[nutella]

I just ate some chocolate

Endangered Species brand, the kind with the elephant on it.

yesssssssss

[Marmot]

Spoiler: show

Wasin the working; Happening the here?

Ha, yeeting Mac; What of Mac is the case?

https://mafiathesyndicate.com/search.ph ... 7&sr=posts

this is mac's iso link

you'll see what i mean if you skim through it wilgy

Thanks

Hmmm...

Notting of aligning; Goof but not wolf.

Ising of Mac the makin of easy yeet; Notting of the knowing yet.

Goof Mac is often mafia Mac though. When Mac don't know what to do, Mac be goofin. Mac can totally not goof and be town when town.

Dizzy, you correct.

Wasing of time to telling; Ising of resolving but not yet.

I've scammed with Mac, and he never once farted.



I'd think he'd be less full of frivolity if he were scum

Ising the voting of [VOTE: Falcon] aubergine; Of the shit.

falcon is town

Tell the why?

honestly does mac have a role where he has to keep talking about farts for no reason or is he just mafia

This is tough because I have no idea how to read Mac when he's fucking around this much.

fine I'll be serious for a minute...

Wasing of Mac the goofing; Ising of heating; Nowing the serious really?

Coward.

Notting of Mac, Falcon the trusting; My vote away.

NAA's case?

Wilgy's Day 1 was confusing to say the least. I haven't the easiest time parsing his posts, he did talk a fair but about Mac too. My understanding is he sussed Mac early, than trusted him after claim.

Bruh I already shot lol

well i mean with votes too

if you end up flipping nutella villager today pls locktown me and sheep my poe

Ez.

I'm also down with a Mac flip.

Idk, that JJJ yeet was solid. I think I did a good job clearing a slot that would cause us trouble at least in terms of PoE.

Get how I'll need to be pulled out of PoE eventually, but for now Nutella or Mac I wanna know.

On to Day 2, Wilgy wants to flip Mac immediately.

You didn't even read it

[VOTE: Falcon] aubergine

If it's any consolation, I read it and appreciate the effort. While I don't think it changes much in terms of your position for me.

Nutella, Mac and I suppose Dizzy all need to resolve before you RN just on JJJ spew and the advent of yesterday. Again, because I wasn't a counter yeet, either scum was asleep or you aren't scum.

Anyways, your alignment would have reflect of Nutella flip. I believe that to be more important rn.

The more falcon talks the more I want to yeet mac for putting us this in this situation lol. The dude just tricks falcon into tunneling whoever mac fosses and falcon looks like the bad guy tho in his head he’s convinced they’re his own reads. Honestly it’s kinda smart by mac. And he could be doing it as town but so far the pushes he’s tricking falcon into tunneling for him are all bad.

Taken the words right out of my mouth.

Falcon would be an instant vote rn if it wasn't for Mac.

And he continues to push his worldview where nutella, Mac, and maybe Dizzy are next in line to get yeeted. He was right about Mac, so I'm inclined to trust it for now.

Ok Wilgy is towny when he drops the gimmick

Tbh I thought Mr was a bad shot because I had him as town, I think shooting the main CW (Anne) wouldve been correct there, though I wouldn't have cried about a Mac shot.

Fair then. I still haven't really read day 1, but it was JJJ's iso that led me to MR.

My suspicion on Nutella kept me from inquiring the CW. Anne is locktown if Nutella flips scum yes?

Mac was going to take our time regardless of if it was my shot or a yeet.

PoE is pretty straightforward:
Mac, Nutella, Dizzy, Esooa

Falcon will be added if Mac flips red. Anne will be added if Nutella flips green, NAA will be added if Esooa flips red.

Contest me on these 50/50s plz.

I don't know if we win if Ilario, Iaafr, Leetic, Marmot, SPF or Cass is scum without some mechanical savior button.

And this keeps going. Now esooa is added, but a POE of 4 with two wolves left and 2 misyeets is just fine.

Spoiler: show

Ummm I don’t think Alexa or lc ever busses jjj like that So they are town. I don’t think bunny hops off like that eod as mafia and gives up on easy towncred and when I was going over eod yesterday with leetic I found towny posts from iaafr and think he’s town.

Falcon is town regardless of macs alignment, I don’t think they’re scum together but I can see Mac using falcons inactivity and his habits of hard tunneling a read as someone who would be perfect to pocket and scumside while Mac just hides in scum chat manipulating him and talking about farts in the thread. I am somewhat exaggerating this scenario because of how annoying falcons read on me is lol and the fact that he just afks all game and decides as his only worthwhile contribution is to random tunnel me is just aggravating. I also think leetic mentioned somewhere that nook fossed Mac and the nook NK implies there’s probably Atleast one more syndicate regular in the scum team and Rn I think nutella is more towny than mac.

Anne I thought was town early on, read through her iso last night and still seemed fine to me. Idk if her interaction with jjj early game is a point in her favour or against her favour given that she is good at theatre as scum. Like I don’t get why she cares about jjjs read on her when they don’t have much experience together but other then that I think she’s been towny.

Naa won me over by his reaction to me today, but him only hunting for two scum when there’s 3 alive is a bit hmmmm

Leetic has a theory that Nutella might have tmi’d esooa as a partner but if that’s not the case then I can see a world where they’re both town. I had reservations about nutella after the flip yesterday but I think her posts today seem genuine and so do esooas and also I think if sloonei was maf with jjj d1 he would have Atleast made more of an effort. I get people can get busy irl but nobody is so busy that they can’t Atleast make a few decent posts. People don’t low post because they’re live is super busy, yes it plays a factor but if someone still cared about the outcome they’ll still put in some effort to post even if busy. I think sloonei would have felt as with jjj as his teammate. Also jjj made some post about saving his posts near eod to get to talk to sloonei and that didn’t feel partnery to me.

So yeah that leaves dizzy wilgy mac you even though you had posts I liked on d1 I also did find some stuff that felt off about u at times

agreed that alexa and LC are town

i agree that occam's razor points to falcon just being a villager, although im reluctant to clear him specifically because of mac's claim because mac has a recent history of hard shielding and hard defending one of his partners and trying to go to endgame from it (that game where he was wolf with kane and twice shrunk). even so, i agree that there's a higher probability that falcon is town than not

i think that you're clearing anne, NAA, and esooa too easily. do you have any reasons to townread anne beyond her being "fine"? i agree that some of her posts on d1 were towny, but we're at a stage of the game where that isn't a good enough reason to townread someone. i also don't agree with you that NAA's reaction was towny

also, i fundamentally disagree with your reasoning for townreading the esooa slot and i think it's a weird thing to read into. we know for a fact that sloonei was very busy IRL throughout d1, and i think it's weird to assume that he would have magically gotten more free time and ability to post if he had rand'd wolf with jagged - that doesn't seem like a reasonable or logical assumption to make, and i think it's the type of reasoning that will get you burned incredibly easily. i also think that esooa sounds tonally stiff in a way that i have NEVER seen from her in a mafia game before, so i'm not sure what to do with that

how am I tonally stiff

*Concern*

wilgy vote someone else

Sure thing dad.

[VOTE: Nutella] aubergine

Mac tells Wilgy to vote someone else. Whatever, it's funny.

I'm here for a brief moment before further holiday driving.

I see Anne is the lead wagon. Neat. Doesn't make sense to me, but I won't cry about it. Still comfortable with either a Nutella or Mac yeet.

Ho boi. You fuckers are too much. Can't keep up but you are making me doubt my Iaafr read now.

I'm back to 50/50 on the Nutella Iaafr thing.

Why aren't we just yeeting Mac tho?

Fuck fuck fuck.

I can't think this fast. @leetic explain why Mac is a bad idea.

[VOTE: iaafr] aubergine

Alright I'm back on Mac.

I'm torn on Iaafr and Nutella, but at least I like the Mac yeet without that contention.

So like. If I'm wrong on Anne that makes Nutella hard town, making Iaafr hard scum.

Mac killing Falcon on yeet is a risk I'm willing to take 100% of the time. Mostly because it's funny regardless of flip that Falcon would get cheesed like that IF TRUE.

We hit EOD. Wlgy engages with iaafr about Mac. Still pushing the nutella/Mac world.

Here's DrWilgy's interactions/mentions of Mac.


Probably the biggest problem I have with Wilgy is that he was toooo certain that Mac was scum, almost on a tmi level. I do think it looks good that he had this read from Day 1, and it couldn't strictly be a gambit pulled on Day 2.

I'm inclined to believe that Wilgy is town, because he was right about Mac, and his worldview has aligned with my own since the beginning of Day 2. Is that a reason to townread someone? I dunno. I don't feel like I should fully question my reads until my scumreads are proven completely wrong.

[Marmot]

Spoiler: show

[VOTE: MacDougall] aubergine

Votes Mac out of the gate. LOL

honestly, trying to catch up with this thread is not productive for me right now at all. my brain is too tired

who wants to chat about reads?

Mac vs NAA vs other candidates for the d1?

i think that mac is struggling to get his head into the game (regardless of his alignment), and that if he is town, he'll probably kick into gear soon and start making himself more obvious. i've been in multiple games lately where mac has a scummy d1 for the first half of the dayphase and then suddenly kicks into overdrive mode in the latter half, and if mac is town, it wouldn't surprise me if the same thing happens here. mac feels like one of those names that people act like theyre willing to chop throughout d1, but i would be pretty surprised if the day actually ends with him dying. that said, if mac's posts don't improve by the end of the day then im probably fine with killing him

NAA had a string of posts on page 13 that felt wolfy to me because they had an awkward "flow" to them and felt disconnected from one post to another, but i honestly dont think that NAA's posts are explicitly wolfy beyond that? i've actually found the openness of some of his posts a little bit towny. NAA is probably in the lower echelons of whatever POE i have right now, but i would be lying if i said that i actually wolfread him

i think my biggest problem right now is that i dont really feel good about anyone here being a wolf, which is a problem im hoping to fix by the EOD

This is an insightful read on Mac. I think spf could make this read as either alignment, but I think following up on it is a good look for her if she does it (see the rest of my analysis for more details).

SPF stands for stinky poo farts

no it stands for "MacDougall Is Mafia"

potty humor

anyway mac why is jagged mafia?

This question is mildly amusing in hindsight given they were teammates. Mac did not answer it well at all.

i only find mac's claim implausible through the lens of him claiming to be self-resolving - i feel like it stretches credibility to have a role that could have confirmed you as town while also having a role that confirms you as town through you being self-resolving. i don't really buy that he's 100% self-resolving as either alignment, tbh

i only find mac's claim implausible through the lens of him claiming to be self-resolving - i feel like it stretches credibility to have a role that could have confirmed you as town while also having a role that confirms you as town through you being self-resolving. i don't really buy that he's 100% self-resolving as either alignment, tbh

also there's an interesting synchronicity between illario and leetic's claim and mac and falcon's claim even if they arent exactly identical. i would speculate that it is improbable for there to be 2 pairs of players that can become confirmed town to each other (to a certain extent), but anything can happen in a role madness setup

But my one qualm is that spf didn't do anything with that question's answer. It's a small qualm though, because it was a simple question. And anyway, Mac made a claim, so there was other important info to look at.

meh just ask falcon... if you wanna throw and chop me go ahead noobs

you claim to be self-resolving tho, so at what point in this game will your alignment become resolved?

i dunno. i think that mac's claim might be fake. i'm open to exploring options outside of him, though. it concerns me that there are no consensus scumreads outside of mac, which is probably bad news for the game regardless of mac's alignment

i dunno. i think that mac's claim might be fake. i'm open to exploring options outside of him, though. it concerns me that there are no consensus scumreads outside of mac, which is probably bad news for the game regardless of mac's alignment

surely you're full of shit if you think i'd make a play like this as mafia

why wouldn't you? i mean, your claim is most likely real regardless of your alignment, but if you are a wolf who got this specific role, you would be backed into a corner of either needing to greencheck falcon or have falcon redcheck you, and in either case, i don't think your claim speaks for your alignment. you can claim that you would have approached your claim differently if you were a wolf but that feels shifty

i dunno. i think that mac's claim might be fake. i'm open to exploring options outside of him, though. it concerns me that there are no consensus scumreads outside of mac, which is probably bad news for the game regardless of mac's alignment

If Mac has a fakeclaim, falcon will be able to tell us, unless you believe they made such a risky w/w gambit that would result in the other dying if one of them dies. Anyway, how do you feel about DrWilgy? He's pretty scummy

i have found it difficult to get alignment indicative information out of drwilgy's posts. an argument could be made that he's wolfy for seeming to have a vested interest in maintaining an active presence in the thread without seeming to have a vested interest in solving the game, but it's not a read i feel particularly good about

ill vote for him with you for the sake of having different wagons [VOTE: DrWilgy] aubergine

SPF goes on with this discussion with Mac, not believing his claim, but is eventually talked back by leetic, and she votes Wilgy.

I but this progression as one that town!SPF would make. And she did circle back to make reads on Mac.

Mac's story doesn't feel like a lie? When mafia lie about mechanics they tend to either keep it simple ('I'm a cop') or overly complex ('I'm a cop on Nights that fall within the fibonacci sequence but I only get a result if its a 3P who has activated their ability and I get a double cop on N1'). Mac's story is specific in a different way ('after 26 hours I got fed up and used it') that is unlikely to be fabricated.

Or it is just a clever lie I guess, which is also a possibility because uh we're starting to reach peak 'confirmed town' in a game that's supposedly not bastard, so I can only imagine the power Mafia have here.

It can be truth, and Mac can be mafia fwiw

I realise this. But occam's razor and all that.

how does "occam's razor" point to mac being town based on the logic that you laid out? doesn't occam's razor point to: "mac's claim is not reflective of his alignment"?

this might go w/out saying but i buy that falcon is town regardless of mac's alignment based on falcon's posts on this page

Mac's story doesn't feel like a lie? When mafia lie about mechanics they tend to either keep it simple ('I'm a cop') or overly complex ('I'm a cop on Nights that fall within the fibonacci sequence but I only get a result if its a 3P who has activated their ability and I get a double cop on N1'). Mac's story is specific in a different way ('after 26 hours I got fed up and used it') that is unlikely to be fabricated.

Or it is just a clever lie I guess, which is also a possibility because uh we're starting to reach peak 'confirmed town' in a game that's supposedly not bastard, so I can only imagine the power Mafia have here.

It doesn’t have to be a lie for him to be mafia. I don’t have any gripes with the claim I have gripes with how he used his role. And idc if he waited 26 hours I’m sure mac would see the value in having his slot cleared especially when people were already wary of him at the start of the game, especially when he has the ability to carry this game himself if he became clear and tried. What does clearing falcon achieve for town? I’ve seen falcon cleared one game before and he just proceeded to stop caring about the game and essentially 5 posted every day phase, it was a bad decision by mac if he’s town to clear falcon over himself considering ive heard falcon is pretty easy to read from others and the fact that falcon is gonna sheep Mac regardless despite being the clear and i think too highly of Mac to think he would make a bad play like that whilst simultaneously having a poe that I have an immense amount of trouble seeing of having any sense to it. He essentially has me and 2 slots who I have clearing interactions with on his poe, it’s just incredibly strange to believe that he legitimately believes me being scum with either dizzy or Cassandra makes sense based on the interactions I’ve had with both slots.

Counterpoint: it sounds exactly like Mac to get bored of waiting and make a snap decision.

You might be right of course. I do think someone amongst the 'clears' could easily be lying or else Mafia have extra PR power.

this post from master radishes pinged me because it felt like an unnatural observation. it doesn't make a ton of sense to say that "someone amongst the clears could easily be lying" when the only 'clears' were illario/leetic (whom MR was addressing this post to) and arguably falcon. MR is shooting down the suggestion that mac could be a wolf based on his claim while suggesting that "someone might be lying", but the only reality where someone is lying AND mac is town is a reality where illario/leetic are wolves together

it just felt like one of those reasonable sounding observations that wolves like to make that doesn't actually hold up to scrutiny when taken with the context of the game. i dont like it

This keeps going all Day 1.

my vote will probably land in drwilgy/mac/master radishes/and MAYBE NAA but im not really crazy about any of the wagons right now

And she considers a vote on Mac. Wilgy is understandable given his Day 1, though unfortunately her other choices were wrong.

also mac is openwolfing if he actually tries pushing me peace

Day 2 starts with a lolpost

ftr im starting to think that nutella is probably just town again

looking for that elusive easy place to park your vote but ya just can't can ya

nah i already found it

[VOTE: macdougall] aubergine

Town

falcon
iaafr
Lime coke
Nutella

Prob town but weh

Jay
spf
Marmot
wilgy
Axe

Haven't seen them post

Anne

Kill in

Dyslexicon
Cassandra
leetic

if I've missed anyone they're null too I guess

you can flip me now

*farts*

my main concern about mac is that his POE on d1 feels quite a lot like it was written w/the intention to wolfside, especially if dizzy is town. if i take his claim off of the table then im not really sure if i have any reasons to townread him, and i feel like i ~should~ have reasons to townread mac on d2 of a game like this

But SPF votes Mac soonafter, and adds some comments on Mac's Day 1 readslist. I like this post, SPF taking the initiative to go look at Mac's post history.

But who am I misreading then

i dunno, what do ur reads currently look like? if you post a list of ur reads then ill tell you where i think youre most likely misreading or misclearing

it'll have to be tomorrow tho cause i should have gone to bed like an hour ago

Ummm I don’t think Alexa or lc ever busses jjj like that So they are town. I don’t think bunny hops off like that eod as mafia and gives up on easy towncred and when I was going over eod yesterday with leetic I found towny posts from iaafr and think he’s town.

Falcon is town regardless of macs alignment, I don’t think they’re scum together but I can see Mac using falcons inactivity and his habits of hard tunneling a read as someone who would be perfect to pocket and scumside while Mac just hides in scum chat manipulating him and talking about farts in the thread. I am somewhat exaggerating this scenario because of how annoying falcons read on me is lol and the fact that he just afks all game and decides as his only worthwhile contribution is to random tunnel me is just aggravating. I also think leetic mentioned somewhere that nook fossed Mac and the nook NK implies there’s probably Atleast one more syndicate regular in the scum team and Rn I think nutella is more towny than mac.

Anne I thought was town early on, read through her iso last night and still seemed fine to me. Idk if her interaction with jjj early game is a point in her favour or against her favour given that she is good at theatre as scum. Like I don’t get why she cares about jjjs read on her when they don’t have much experience together but other then that I think she’s been towny.

Naa won me over by his reaction to me today, but him only hunting for two scum when there’s 3 alive is a bit hmmmm

Leetic has a theory that Nutella might have tmi’d esooa as a partner but if that’s not the case then I can see a world where they’re both town. I had reservations about nutella after the flip yesterday but I think her posts today seem genuine and so do esooas and also I think if sloonei was maf with jjj d1 he would have Atleast made more of an effort. I get people can get busy irl but nobody is so busy that they can’t Atleast make a few decent posts. People don’t low post because they’re live is super busy, yes it plays a factor but if someone still cared about the outcome they’ll still put in some effort to post even if busy. I think sloonei would have felt as with jjj as his teammate. Also jjj made some post about saving his posts near eod to get to talk to sloonei and that didn’t feel partnery to me.

So yeah that leaves dizzy wilgy mac you even though you had posts I liked on d1 I also did find some stuff that felt off about u at times

agreed that alexa and LC are town

i agree that occam's razor points to falcon just being a villager, although im reluctant to clear him specifically because of mac's claim because mac has a recent history of hard shielding and hard defending one of his partners and trying to go to endgame from it (that game where he was wolf with kane and twice shrunk). even so, i agree that there's a higher probability that falcon is town than not

i think that you're clearing anne, NAA, and esooa too easily. do you have any reasons to townread anne beyond her being "fine"? i agree that some of her posts on d1 were towny, but we're at a stage of the game where that isn't a good enough reason to townread someone. i also don't agree with you that NAA's reaction was towny

also, i fundamentally disagree with your reasoning for townreading the esooa slot and i think it's a weird thing to read into. we know for a fact that sloonei was very busy IRL throughout d1, and i think it's weird to assume that he would have magically gotten more free time and ability to post if he had rand'd wolf with jagged - that doesn't seem like a reasonable or logical assumption to make, and i think it's the type of reasoning that will get you burned incredibly easily. i also think that esooa sounds tonally stiff in a way that i have NEVER seen from her in a mafia game before, so i'm not sure what to do with that

Solid read here.

fwiw my reads at this point arent even particularly hedgy - i feel confident about cassandra and lime coke and illario/leetic and nutella and marmot being town (granted, i want to double check to confirm that marmot isn't a blind spot, but i've felt confident about him being town since early d1)

i townlean iaafr and falcon

the pool of anne/wilgy/dizzy/mac/NAA/esooa either contains the entire scumteam or most of the scumteam, and within that pool, im starting to lean on dizzy/wilgy being villagers as well

i think that im misclearing one person maximum but i havent felt like any of my confident townreads have been wolfy today, so im not gonna second guess myself if there isnt a good reason to

so there's always a wolf between spf and dizzy so that's neat

also who the fuck is brad?

why? i think it's possible that we're both town

okay so, i snapvoted esooa because i read the bottom paragraph of her wallpost and i thought that her positioning looked explicitly like she was trying to wolfside and flip the POE (by having me/marmot as her top 2 foses when i think that marmot is probably just town, and by having dizzy as her third fos when i think dizzy could be town too)

now that ive actually read the wallpost, i think the reasoning is mostly fine and there's some parts of it that i find towny (like her reasoning to tr falcon). her reasoning to wolfread me feels really nitpicky and weak though - like it's obvious that i was saying that the content of drwilgy's posts wasn't AI for him but that his posts still reflected a scum mindset, and i feel like she really had to stretch and misinterpret my posts to frame them in the way that she did. i also dont like that she didnt include any reasons to townread me when i would kind of expect esooa to pick up on some of my towntells as town. i guess the headline is that i overreacted by immediately voting esooa but i think that her current list of scumreads is probably wolf-sided regardless of her alignment

Okay--how exactly does like

His posts reflecting a scum mindset not mean the posts are wolf AI

And regardless of all that were you not still wanting to vote him? Because like, you were as far as I know

irt not posting anything for why you're town

I'm not really pushing my reads that much and worded the ending explicitly as who I want to look into more for a reason

Not specifically because I'm town reading you much but more so because I mean

I basically expect exactly these kinds of responses when disagreeing with any kinda consensus in this lobby

I don't really agree that your response to pressure was that towny though, like, individually towny posts in terms of mindset are what made me shift my read off you in the vigi 10er, and I also noted that game you omgus'd by going like "I'm so obvious town" and town read it there, so don't rly agree there

and besides that the post is 2700 words. I cared more by then to get my current opinions out rather than all my thoughts

I think your entrance was probably towny, in that your entrance reads were reasonable+good in volume, and the uwu stuff was probably slightly towny, etc

Regardless I'm most interested in your opinion on the game state in general

And also too the idea that my reads list is wolf-sided, tbh

Alexa's reasons for wolf reading Anne, the top wagon today and for most of today to my recollection, are "nothing that pingy but she isn't explicitly town yet,"

Does that really sound like reasons to kill Anne to you? Or reasons for her to just be there wagoned all day?

I know there are others, but nothing really that inspiring either imo

And in terms of it being wolf-sided

Who are the wolves?

Like, when Alexa posted "I'm just gonna say all of Dizzy SPF Marmot are town and not actually talk about anything cause why not," I looked at the playerlist and assumed they're all town

Who are the wolves?

They're not exactly that easy to find

I think a lot of the consensus towns are town for decent reasons and if you remove the 3 named above, you're already basically out of names

Like c'mon lol

this post has so many paragraphs but ill do my best to respond to your main questions lol

it's important to note that drwilgy was posting with a strange and borderline unreadable gimmick throughout d1 that made his posts extremely difficult to parse. i had no idea what he was trying to communicate 99% of the time, and i think that everyone else in the game was in the same boat. so, when i said that i didn't get anything alignment indicative out of drwilgy's posts but that i thought his level of activity was alignment indicative, i think it was clear in context that i was making a reference to how unreadable his posts were. i just find it kinda hard to believe that you see this as a legitimate point against me, cause it's so nitpicky and it plays with semantics in a way that i feel like you usually avoid as town

i dunno who said that my self-defensive posts are my most towny posts, but if they did, then i disagree. there are lots of better and more nuanced reasons to townread me, and i feel like you in particular are very good at finding those "micro moments" where i do stuff that i dont usually do as a wolf, and i was kinda expecting you to pick up on some of those things in this game if u were town too, which played into my concern about your initial read on me just being a list of reasons to find me wolfy

also no, i dont think that anne should be scumread for "not being explicitly town yet", but that isn't really why i'm worried about anne. i'm worried about anne because the posts that she made throughout today felt uncharacteristically tonally stiff and like she was struggling to fully articulate herself (which is kinda how i felt about you earlier today), and because im worried that her lack of interest in the game comes from her being a demotivated wolf that doesn't feel like putting in the effort if her team is already being widely POE'd. it was hard for me to come up with specific reasons to scumread anne, so i can acknowledge that the case against her might be a little weak and based moreso on a "lack" of towntells, but i do think some of the stuff she's done in this game is arguably wolf-indicative for her

and well, i think that cassandra, lime coke, marmot nutella, and illario/leetic are all villagers. im fine with solving from the assumption with all of those names are town. from there, i think iaafr has been fairly towny today and that falcon is likely town as well. that leaves dizzy/anne/wilgy/mac/NAA/you, and while i am doubtful that the full scumteam is in that list, i do think that it contains a couple of wolves. i think that dizzy/wilgy have been p towny today out of the names in that POE, so i think there's at least one wolf in anne/mac/NAA/you

so i dunno, i dont find it difficult to craft a POE or come up with potential wolves in this game at all, and i think that your wolflist is "wolfsiding" because at least 2/3 of the names are town, but very possibly 3

i also find it kinda odd that you say mac usually tries to make himself get townread as a wolf by doing "off the cuff" stuff, and then note in the same paragraph that you townread the "spontaneity" of his wolfread on iaafr. isnt that exactly what youre arguing he would try to do as a wolf? this might be nitpicky but i dont really understand ur read on mac and it seems like the least fleshed out read in ur whole readslist, which kinda surprises me given (to my memory) you usually really like trying to sort out mac in games like this

this game has honestly gotten really stressful to read - i feel like there's a totally unnecessary amount of super stressed out and frustrated posts at a time when the game is in an objectively good position (and I acknowledge that I've made some similar posts myself)

to be honest I think that we need to suck up whatever infighting or tinfoils we have and just kill someone that is in the POE and needs to die before endgame, I don't really care if it's mac or NAA or w/e as long as we kill someone

this game has honestly gotten really stressful to read - i feel like there's a totally unnecessary amount of super stressed out and frustrated posts at a time when the game is in an objectively good position (and I acknowledge that I've made some similar posts myself)

to be honest I think that we need to suck up whatever infighting or tinfoils we have and just kill someone that is in the POE and needs to die before endgame, I don't really care if it's mac or NAA or w/e as long as we kill someone

Yeah, I'm sorry. I'm stressed because I don't know half of what's going on, plus, some of the people I town read (Leetic/Ilario and Falcon) has some of the legit worst takes on me I've seen in a while, and it is very frustrating. Especially since I can't at least feel like I'm on top of the game and offer more of a direction. So it's just a double fail. I'll try to tone down the frustration and focus away from said players.

all good, i wasn't trying to call anyone out specifically, more just that i feel like I've seen several games lately that should be easy wins that fall apart because of infighting, and I'm not convinced that this game isn't a fairly easy win as well

mac's d2 has arguably been scummier than his d1 and he seems somewhat ~boxed in~ so: [VOTE: Macdougall] aubergine

More lengthy posts. More reads. A vote for ScumDougall.

These are interactions/mentions SPF had with Mac.

Kind like Dizzy, I gave up part way through Day 2, because she was just hounding his ass, and it didn't make sense to keep copying and pasting quotes. Mac's dead enough. Unlike Dizzy though, I have a lot less tinfoil around SPF, because she followed it up with a vote. SPF town

[staypositivefriend]

I'd be fine with the wagons being between Nutella and Esooa I just need to look through things to see which one I'd vote before this is all set and done.

at the risk of looking dumb in post-game, i really really do not think nutella is a wolf

Alright if you're that confident I'll vote Esooa when the time is right.

Who do you think is her partner?

I'm going to have to leave the house so I'll be back later tonight.

if this game is easy, then all of the wolves are contained within esooa/drwilgy/dyslexicon/anne

i think that iaafr is clear. i think that lime coke is obvious town. i think that nutella is town. i think that marmot is town. i think that illario/leetic as town. i have some paranoia about misreading a slot among those names, but i haven't seen any good arguments for why any of them could be a wolf, and i'm not going to overcomplicate a game that has so far proven to be pretty simple and straightforward

[Lime Coke]

I'd be fine with the wagons being between Nutella and Esooa I just need to look through things to see which one I'd vote before this is all set and done.

at the risk of looking dumb in post-game, i really really do not think nutella is a wolf

Alright if you're that confident I'll vote Esooa when the time is right.

Who do you think is her partner?

I'm going to have to leave the house so I'll be back later tonight.

if this game is easy, then all of the wolves are contained within esooa/drwilgy/dyslexicon/anne

i think that iaafr is clear. i think that lime coke is obvious town. i think that nutella is town. i think that marmot is town. i think that illario/leetic as town. i have some paranoia about misreading a slot among those names, but i haven't seen any good arguments for why any of them could be a wolf, and i'm not going to overcomplicate a game that has so far proven to be pretty simple and straightforward

[Marmot]

I'm not sorting through Lime Coke or iaafr for their interactions. I might do leetic/ilario tomorrow if I'm feeling energetic or bored, but I'm just taking all three of those as town for the time being. That leaves my current reads as follows.


HYPERTOWN

Marmot
iaafr
Lime Coke
ilario/leetic


HYPOTOWN

Dizzy
SPF


MIDDLING

DrWilgy
Anne
nutella - I'm putting her here because y'all keep saying she's town.


SCUM

Esooa

[Lime Coke]

I'm relatively fine with that list that SPF put up.

[Marmot]

I signed up for role madness, why'd this become a simple straightforward game

[Lime Coke]

I signed up for role madness, why'd this become a simple straightforward game

Because the crazy roles kind of got killed already.

[Marmot]

I'm pretty much there on SPF's list. I disagree on nutella, though Dizzy is definitely the player I tinfoil the most of my reads, so I could be swayed on him in a day or two.

I will acknowledge that nutella has at least shown up today. If WIM is a thing that the mafia team is lack that town has, than esooa and anne are the wolves.

[Marmot]

I don't think I've ever had the most posts in a game, what is this madness.

[staypositivefriend]

Voters: cassandra, iaafr, nutella, Dyslexicon, NotAnAxehole

^These are the Anne voters. If iaafr is indeed confirmed town, and I'm right that Nutella is town which I'm pretty sure I am, these are literally all town.

ive made the same argument multiple times and all it does is make limecoke rage and leetic reiterate his worldview

this is not a town of malleable minds

also im 1 post from capping now

just remember i get u and ive had a ton of the same perspective the same game and a few stubborn people who refuse to see anything our way doesnt make this game unwinnable, it's probably winnable

@staypositivefriend Please explain to Lime why me an Nutella are town actually.

youre very clever trying to group yourself in with nutella in my townreads :P i do think that both of you have been very towny but i think that nutella is townier than you tbh - that is largely because nutella has done more stuff in this game that i perceive as Hard To Fake than you have, and most of my reasons to townread you boil down to tone/sincerity, and that really isnt enough to justify having you as a townread at this stage of the game

[Lime Coke]

At this rate I'm just voting Esooa out and just continuing on with what everyone else is saying.

I'm probably missing EOD tomorrow because I'm out the house but we're in good shape.

[Marmot]

Voters: cassandra, iaafr, nutella, Dyslexicon, NotAnAxehole

^These are the Anne voters. If iaafr is indeed confirmed town, and I'm right that Nutella is town which I'm pretty sure I am, these are literally all town.

ive made the same argument multiple times and all it does is make limecoke rage and leetic reiterate his worldview

this is not a town of malleable minds

also im 1 post from capping now

just remember i get u and ive had a ton of the same perspective the same game and a few stubborn people who refuse to see anything our way doesnt make this game unwinnable, it's probably winnable

@staypositivefriend Please explain to Lime why marmot an Nutella are town actually.

youre very clever trying to group yourself in with nutella in my townreads :P i do think that both of you have been very towny but i think that nutella is townier than you tbh - that is largely because nutella has done more stuff in this game that i perceive as Hard To Fake than you have, and most of my reasons to townread you boil down to tone/sincerity, and that really isnt enough to justify having you as a townread at this stage of the game

I don't see it. Where did dizzy slip his name in?

[Marmot]

At this rate I'm just voting Esooa out and just continuing on with what everyone else is saying.

I'm probably missing EOD tomorrow because I'm out the house but we're in good shape.

Yeah, I think the Day 3 chop will actually be clear cut (barring a drastic return from the fruit vendor), so I may be low presence as well.

[staypositivefriend]

Voters: cassandra, iaafr, nutella, Dyslexicon, NotAnAxehole

^These are the Anne voters. If iaafr is indeed confirmed town, and I'm right that Nutella is town which I'm pretty sure I am, these are literally all town.

ive made the same argument multiple times and all it does is make limecoke rage and leetic reiterate his worldview

this is not a town of malleable minds

also im 1 post from capping now

just remember i get u and ive had a ton of the same perspective the same game and a few stubborn people who refuse to see anything our way doesnt make this game unwinnable, it's probably winnable

@staypositivefriend Please explain to Lime why marmot an Nutella are town actually.

youre very clever trying to group yourself in with nutella in my townreads :P i do think that both of you have been very towny but i think that nutella is townier than you tbh - that is largely because nutella has done more stuff in this game that i perceive as Hard To Fake than you have, and most of my reasons to townread you boil down to tone/sincerity, and that really isnt enough to justify having you as a townread at this stage of the game

I don't see it. Where did dizzy slip his name in?

oh.....it turns out that i can't read, sorry dizzy lol

[Lime Coke]

[Marmot]

[VOTE: esooa] aubergine before i forget, apparently I wasn't voting yet.

[Marmot]

Everyone who managed to eclipse the postcap-per-day threshold should receive the Hally medal of volume.

[Lime Coke]

Everyone who managed to eclipse the postcap-per-day threshold should receive the Hally medal of volume.

If Alexa end gamed she probably would've gotten it pretty easily.

I can't keep up with that energy at all, lmao.

[Marmot]

It's ok, it only counts days you were alive (so Nanook can have one too)

[Lime Coke]

Actually I've lived longer than Alexa and she still has more posts in this game than I have...holy shit.

[Lime Coke]

I feel like I've posted pretty well in terms of volume. I can't keep up with the EMers I swear.

[Marmot]

If we keep talking about it, we can resolve that.

[Lime Coke]

If we keep talking about it, we can resolve that.

Yes and now I have more.

WOO! I BEAT ALEXA IN POST COUNT IN A GAME!

[Marmot]

Aight, I'mma take my 32 posts left with me to bed and use them tomorrow. Goodnight game thread.

[leetic]

I have a dress rehearsal for a concert tomorrow, and I won't be able to be here at EoD. Since I'm nearly down to the 20 posts reserved for ilario, this may be the last time I speak today. So here's what I want to say for today.

Don't vote iaafr. If you see anyone doing so, they are either a wolf or are gamethrowing, and call them out on it. I've seen misvotes this stupid happen before, don't let it happen here.

All roles aside from spf's and Dyslexicon's have been collaborated or confirmed, and while roles are not tied to alignments it's good to know that people are not fakeclaing. I believe I've already talked to Dyslexicon about this, so @staypositivefriend, your third ability seems easiest to confirm (though I'm not sure I fully understand what your second is) so use that. Do not use it on nutella, Dyslexicon, or Wilgy, even if you think they're town they're in enough people's PoEs that it wouldn't be a good idea. I won't tell you who to use it on beyond that, as it would be pointless if the person you use it on is killed by the mafia.

@Esooa, I realize you are most likely an open wolf at this point, but if you really are town you really need to step up your effort this phase. I don't want to hear any excuses like "but I subbed in", "but I'm getting voted anyway", or "but I'm not putting any effort into this game". I want at least your full thoughts on Wilgy, nutella, Dyslexicon, and spf. I don't want this game to be sloweed down by misvoting town, especially when we've had five town casualties already, so if you don't want that to happen please be vocal.

I am going to be leaving my vote on Esooa for now and she should be the vote today unless someone else does something really scummy. My current priority from most to least suspicious is Esooa, nutella, Dyslexicon, DrWilgy, staypositivefriend, anne, Marmot, Lime Coke, iaafr, ilario/leetic. If you vote in the last four or even last five you are either a loony or a wolf.

Remember, this game is winnable as long as town collectively doesn't fall asleep at the wheel, and I don't want town to lose because everyone becomes inactive. Also remember that scum's only real way to win with the PoE this thin is for the wolf to enter the towncore, so expect bussing this phase. Don't let me down.

[ilario]

I was going to write my own town core but it's so disappointing I am not going to finish it

@ilario play more so I can include you

sorrry just been super busyyy ill be able to be more active next day phase if im still around

[ilario]

Lmao macs claim is a big yikes

Essentially I find it very weird that Mac would ever give up an opportunity to clear his slot and let falcon green check him so I found it very weird he didn’t just wait for falcon to join the discord, I also think the dynamic of giving the neighbourhood a green check on each other is kinda pointless if they were both green and much more interesting if there’s one red and one green which may be the case.

/vote mac

Mac's story doesn't feel like a lie? When mafia lie about mechanics they tend to either keep it simple ('I'm a cop') or overly complex ('I'm a cop on Nights that fall within the fibonacci sequence but I only get a result if its a 3P who has activated their ability and I get a double cop on N1'). Mac's story is specific in a different way ('after 26 hours I got fed up and used it') that is unlikely to be fabricated.

Or it is just a clever lie I guess, which is also a possibility because uh we're starting to reach peak 'confirmed town' in a game that's supposedly not bastard, so I can only imagine the power Mafia have here.

It doesn’t have to be a lie for him to be mafia. I don’t have any gripes with the claim I have gripes with how he used his role. And idc if he waited 26 hours I’m sure mac would see the value in having his slot cleared especially when people were already wary of him at the start of the game, especially when he has the ability to carry this game himself if he became clear and tried. What does clearing falcon achieve for town? I’ve seen falcon cleared one game before and he just proceeded to stop caring about the game and essentially 5 posted every day phase, it was a bad decision by mac if he’s town to clear falcon over himself considering ive heard falcon is pretty easy to read from others and the fact that falcon is gonna sheep Mac regardless despite being the clear and i think too highly of Mac to think he would make a bad play like that whilst simultaneously having a poe that I have an immense amount of trouble seeing of having any sense to it. He essentially has me and 2 slots who I have clearing interactions with on his poe, it’s just incredibly strange to believe that he legitimately believes me being scum with either dizzy or Cassandra makes sense based on the interactions I’ve had with both slots.

@falcon45ca Can you/did you confirm this mechanic?

Yes. Get yo dang votes off Mac

Why do you think he's town?

If he wasn't, he wouldn't have checked me & got me into our chat

Huh?

From my understanding the chat already existed BEFORE he decided to check you. If that’s the case you need to clearly outline yours roles and the sequence of events that make him clear to you.

Falcon if you can do either of the following before eod I will consider easing up on mac:

-iso and give detailed reads on 3 poe slots
-properly catch up to the game and give us a summary of where you stand
-make a proper case for someone else who should be voted instead of Mac and why

Until either of that happens I will maintain the fact that I think mac used his ability in a suboptimal way. But as of rn if you are town you’re potentially a clear and doing almost nothing with it and just wasting it.

@falcon45ca Can you/did you confirm this mechanic?

Yes. Get yo dang votes off Mac

Why do you think he's town?

If he wasn't, he wouldn't have checked me & got me into our chat

Huh?

From my understanding the chat already existed BEFORE he decided to check you. If that’s the case you need to clearly outline yours roles and the sequence of events that make him clear to you.

Falcon if you can do either of the following before eod I will consider easing up on mac:

-iso and give detailed reads on 3 poe slots
-properly catch up to the game and give us a summary of where you stand
-make a proper case for someone else who should be voted instead of Mac and why

Until either of that happens I will maintain the fact that I think mac used his ability in a suboptimal way. But as of rn if you are town you’re potentially a clear and doing almost nothing with it and just wasting it.

It did exist before, but I hadn't joined it.



If I can, then you'll consider? Sounds like you want me to do a bunch of work for a maybe. Ain't happenin'.



Why is Mac Maf? Oh yeah, using an ability suboptimally doesn't make someone Maf. You're too eager to lynch someone you seem to be aware stands a good chance of being town.

I want you to do a bunch of work to prove me wrong or else you’re just proving my point that mac used his ability to go ahead and clear a slot that proceeds to do nothing with it is far more anti-town than letting you clear him and remove a slot that will likely be dealt with a shit tonne of paranoia and has been already.

Like you have little awareness of what’s actually happening which is why I’m prompting you to actually read the thread in my previous post because if you paid any attention you would realize half the people you’re accusing of being eager to lynch mac aren’t even voting him right now.

Like, what exactly are you trying to say here ilario?



That Mac is town and used his ability sub-optimally by clearing me? That I'm town using my role sub-optimally? That Mac is Maf? That I'm Maf?

I’m saying that mac was in a position where he was already being scumread by the lobby. He was also playing in a slanky way, meanwhile you had almost no pressure on you. In that situation, it is beneficial for him to get himself cleared even if that means he has to wait a little longer. Not only that but He’s seen I’ve seen take charge in games and solo carry, so clearing a slot like that is valuable. And I’m not doubting your ability to carry and I’m sure you’re capable of that, but you don’t strike me as someone who likes to take charge of the lobby and that’s fine because I don’t really like to either even if my play might sometimes contradict that. So with all those points considered i find the use of his ability to clear you over himself very off.


And don’t get me wrong, I can see a world where he got impatient and trigger happy and used it as town, Which is why my knee jerk reaction was to change my vote just a few moments after I put my vote on him and put it in drwilgy who I found to be actually scummy. You can both very well be town, but neither you nor him have given me a single good reason as to why he is town. The onus is not on me there, because you’re the one telling people to unvote mac.

On the flip side if mac is mafia, I can see a world where he’s also just using that as a cover story and was planning to convince u to let him use it on you anyways even if you had joined in time.

yeah okay thanks for proving my point

/vote mac

im not changing this vote

CFD on Ilario?

i repeat, mac deserves to be death tunneled for clearing this guy

Fwiw I agree with esooa that the interactions between Mac and jjj aren’t clearing, they’re two good players, and off the cuff interactions like that are easy to fake.

Oh and There’s probably always one in spf/Mac just purely due to numbers and thread dynamics and other people making themselves towny

But who am I misreading then

i dunno, what do ur reads currently look like? if you post a list of ur reads then ill tell you where i think youre most likely misreading or misclearing

it'll have to be tomorrow tho cause i should have gone to bed like an hour ago

Ummm I don’t think Alexa or lc ever busses jjj like that So they are town. I don’t think bunny hops off like that eod as mafia and gives up on easy towncred and when I was going over eod yesterday with leetic I found towny posts from iaafr and think he’s town.

Falcon is town regardless of macs alignment, I don’t think they’re scum together but I can see Mac using falcons inactivity and his habits of hard tunneling a read as someone who would be perfect to pocket and scumside while Mac just hides in scum chat manipulating him and talking about farts in the thread. I am somewhat exaggerating this scenario because of how annoying falcons read on me is lol and the fact that he just afks all game and decides as his only worthwhile contribution is to random tunnel me is just aggravating. I also think leetic mentioned somewhere that nook fossed Mac and the nook NK implies there’s probably Atleast one more syndicate regular in the scum team and Rn I think nutella is more towny than mac.

Anne I thought was town early on, read through her iso last night and still seemed fine to me. Idk if her interaction with jjj early game is a point in her favour or against her favour given that she is good at theatre as scum. Like I don’t get why she cares about jjjs read on her when they don’t have much experience together but other then that I think she’s been towny.

Naa won me over by his reaction to me today, but him only hunting for two scum when there’s 3 alive is a bit hmmmm

Leetic has a theory that Nutella might have tmi’d esooa as a partner but if that’s not the case then I can see a world where they’re both town. I had reservations about nutella after the flip yesterday but I think her posts today seem genuine and so do esooas and also I think if sloonei was maf with jjj d1 he would have Atleast made more of an effort. I get people can get busy irl but nobody is so busy that they can’t Atleast make a few decent posts. People don’t low post because they’re live is super busy, yes it plays a factor but if someone still cared about the outcome they’ll still put in some effort to post even if busy. I think sloonei would have felt as with jjj as his teammate. Also jjj made some post about saving his posts near eod to get to talk to sloonei and that didn’t feel partnery to me.

So yeah that leaves dizzy wilgy mac you even though you had posts I liked on d1 I also did find some stuff that felt off about u at times

The more falcon talks the more I want to yeet mac for putting us this in this situation lol. The dude just tricks falcon into tunneling whoever mac fosses and falcon looks like the bad guy tho in his head he’s convinced they’re his own reads. Honestly it’s kinda smart by mac. And he could be doing it as town but so far the pushes he’s tricking falcon into tunneling for him are all bad.

Hey nutella since ur the person from my trs that has the most experience with Mac can u dedicate some time to solving his slot today? I am concerned that u don’t have mutual trs ln each other which I think you would if you were tvt

Some of you already know this, and were alerted as soon as it happened, so may as well catch everyone up to speed.




Mac & I are now Lovers.

yehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

It appears to have had less thread impact than we expected

this just encourages me to vote mac even more jsyk

anyway this is post 91/100 for me

gonna "save" posts again (will probably blow them whenever i think of funny stuff to post rather than actual substantive and helpful things to post

my worldview and preferred course of action remains "nuke naa/mac/anne in any order then re-eval after"

glhf

i don't buy your progression on me from the start of the day to here... you went from townreading me, and then when SPF voted for me you started acting as if you were always scumreading me

i got convinced that maybe its naive to clear you for those associations, which was my main reason (see the two posts i made about hating everybody's association reads including my own)

and like

i have been scumreading you for quite some time in this game

and also my progression not being explicit and easily followable is a towntell for me

if youre town you could be right on spf? idk? im certainty a horrible direction though

i don't think spf is mafia anymore, my alignment is not hinged on SPFs alignment... more wolfy bullshit

nvm bad read

theres always at least one in mac/spf

But yeah I decided to vote mac anyways because I’m thinking about the claim some more and their role makes 0 sense to me. So they’re in a chat, and they have a cop check on each other but once they use the check they become lovers?? What’s the point of that dynamic? Why even have the cop check if they’re essentially gonna be tied together, why not start them out as lovers? Idk feels like something mac coulda come up with to protect himself from being voted. I liked that Mac noticed that towny line from naa but then he won’t on to do nothing with it, so meh that might have just been a pocket attempt from mac.

fwiw if anyone has any doubts on my alignment i did a control f of mac and yeah i think these posts all look pretty good for me, theres always a post in there replying to esooa where she responded to an interaction bunny quoted when he said mac and jjj werent partnered. and i thought bunnys read there was a bit off and i liked essoas stance there saying that can still be a partner interaction so yeah shes still in my good books and thats also part of why i was tunneled on bunny for that read.

[ilario]

I'm back for a second I read through again and I can't read this game without feeling like absolute shit.

@ilario FYI NAA got green checked by Rabbit so if he's town then NAA is probably just town.

@nutella I don't get how you don't just nail scum!Mac the entire time when you've probably played way more games with him and probably have a better read on him than me.
Like I don't get how you say he's towny Day 2 when he literally flip flopped his read on you right in front of your face as you changed your read and I brought it up.

oh yeah i didnt vote him cos i fossed him, i havent read today, i was doing something out of game and somethign annoyed me and then the emotion of annoyance reminded me of naa so i came into the thread and voted him and then leetic informed me he was already dead so that made me smile lol. pretty sure ive called him naa town throughout my whole iso, except for that moment when i was tunneling him for voting correctly d1.

[ilario]

I had some worry about dizzy earlier but I think their post about hating town seems legit lol

what do u think of his vote on you?