The Syndicate

I'm gonna Vote Owner I'm the 3rd person to do so

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 1:28 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:55 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:21 pm DH you've made up 3 nonsensical "tells" in the last page. Calm down pupper.

Which 3
Made up how
Nonsense how

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 12:13 pm I'm pretty convinced that Bullzeye is our best bet so far. [VOTE: Bullzeye] aubergine

Best bet how
Pretty sure why
What's "so far" for you? Looking at anyone else?

The owner thing, the yun qui thing that made no sense because we were town, and the strange kill choice thing
Made up because they're not real tells
Nonsense because you don't have any real basis for believing they are mafia tells

Best bet because he looks bad for multiple reasons
Pretty sure because he looks like a potential Nova teammate, his vote and all of his posts have been extremely sketchy, and he hasn't done anything close to actual gameplay
So far meaning the case on him is stronger than anything else I've seen, but I intend to look more closely into timmer, juliets, Mac, Jay, soneji to name a few.

Which Owner thing?
Yun Qui Tell = Prioritizing game mechanics (House Cup/Ship Crew) over baddie hunting. TH used the Yun Qui's trust of him to prevent his lynch and nobody in the Yun Qui wanted to lynch him or mutiny despite me multiple times calling him out. Luna has prioritized House Cup Mechanics at least twice in this game, something DDL worried about happening.
"Odd Choice" Tell - Literally just quoted an example of TH using the phrase when he was bad.
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Which reasons do you suspect Bullz is bad for?
"His vote looks sketchy" and "his posts look sketchy" "he hasn't done anything close to actual gameplay" = These are good reasons and I like them an thank you for sharing them
OK Glad to see you're not just focusing on the easy wagon, hope to see you explain and expand more on JC, Timmer, Mac, Jay and Soneji and not just have you toss these names out and forget the follow through.

If you mean "picture tell" thats her thing I didn't make that up, I'm just explaining that the way she used/explained it in Firefly "DH is bad because he associated with Negan and Thanos" is inconsistent with how she used it here against kara. It looks like she just wanted a reason to have a suspect.

You can't tell me what to tell. tell.

OK the joke is not funny anymore I'll chill.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 3:14 pm

Bullzeye wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 2:50 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:21 am

poutanko wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:13 am This Juliet is indeed very polite (and hard to read as people say)

Do you mind sharing your own thought @@juliets ? Anything you find interesting?

Well at the moment I am most interested in Bullzeye, not so much for his vote for Nova because voting a no show on Day 1 has been accepted practice in the past, but more because he posted on Day 1 but his posts were almost all devoid of content. That doesn't feel like civ Bullz to me - he's an outstanding player.

I suck as a civ and take a long time to feel motivated, hence why I tend not to have much to say. I appreciate the compliments but I don't think your assessment of my play is correct tbh.

Bullz, most of my assessment of your play comes from that game (I've forgotten it's name) where you infiltrated my BTSC with OA and convinced us both you were on our side. You even had a fake civ role card. It remains the most brilliant bit of mafia playing I have seen in all my years of mafiaing. Maybe that helps explain my compliment.

I'm literally right here.

Gonna be real fun looking through everyone bending over backwards to defend Owner if she flips bad.

btw Owner made up her suspicion of Kara and that's the most suspicious thing anyone's done all game please someone feed my narcissism

I am become the Sauciest Boi. Gaze upon my visage and beware.

My thoughts on Bullz - I already didn't feel great about his D1 activity and his explanation of it makes me feel worse about it (The game starts D1 fam so play starts D1) that being said The zeroing in on him RE: Nova strikes me as false. I feel like there is an element within that mob that isn't genuine. I'll have to dig into that tomorrow.

The part I'm most interested in this picture tell is this part:

"Well that's too bad because I wrapped your knowledge in teeth and fear."

Hagrid is generally friendly, but even in this sense he's like "too bad no can do"

In this picture, Hagrid is acting selfish/not caring about others.

Even though Hagrid as a character is seen as good, that does not account for the picture I'm directing you to, where it seems as though Hagrid is betraying his students.

[mention]nutella[/mention] speaking of "stretching it" do you buy this explanation from Owner?

Unfortunately, I have a family emergency. I ask for a replacement. @Dragon D Luffy @duyna

[mention]Owner Of A Lonely Heart[/mention] hopefully this mention tag works and you see this: My sincerest regards and I hope that you are all OK and good and safe and if not, that you will be in the near future. You've been fun to play with in Firefly and in this game and any hostility that I've shown you I hope you realize is just me playing the game. Much respect to you and yours.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:59 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 8:06 pm My thoughts on Bullz - I already didn't feel great about his D1 activity and his explanation of it makes me feel worse about it (The game starts D1 fam so play starts D1) that being said The zeroing in on him RE: Nova strikes me as false. I feel like there is an element within that mob that isn't genuine. I'll have to dig into that tomorrow.

I definitely don’t like the Nova vote — I can sorta see a civ making it, but I wish he would tell us who he would rather lynch today.

Yeh I dunno if I buy into the Bullzwagon but the Bullsponse to the Bullspicion was Bulloney.

I missed EOD D1 how much vote switching was there

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:27 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:05 pm

The part I'm most interested in this picture tell is this part:

"Well that's too bad because I wrapped your knowledge in teeth and fear."

Hagrid is generally friendly, but even in this sense he's like "too bad no can do"

In this picture, Hagrid is acting selfish/not caring about others.

Even though Hagrid as a character is seen as good, that does not account for the picture I'm directing you to, where it seems as though Hagrid is betraying his students.

@nutella speaking of "stretching it" do you buy this explanation from Owner?

Looking at the comic again, sure. It's pretty dark, and kara even implied later (jokingly or seriously I can't say) that they felt it was more about the Monster Book of Monsters than about Hagrid.

I don't care about lynching Owner anymore but you can't sincerely believe this.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:30 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:28 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:27 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:05 pm

The part I'm most interested in this picture tell is this part:

"Well that's too bad because I wrapped your knowledge in teeth and fear."

Hagrid is generally friendly, but even in this sense he's like "too bad no can do"

In this picture, Hagrid is acting selfish/not caring about others.

Even though Hagrid as a character is seen as good, that does not account for the picture I'm directing you to, where it seems as though Hagrid is betraying his students.

@nutella speaking of "stretching it" do you buy this explanation from Owner?

Looking at the comic again, sure. It's pretty dark, and kara even implied later (jokingly or seriously I can't say) that they felt it was more about the Monster Book of Monsters than about Hagrid.

I don't care about lynching Owner anymore but you can't sincerely believe this.

Why not? Did you read the comic? It was not at all a positive portrayal. I'm not saying I agree with Owner but I'm just saying that given her explanation of what the picture tell is it could make sense.

I read the comic. I also read Kara's "Oh come on obviously I'm the toothed book in this" post. Neither of which I took seriously.

Yoinksy Poinksy.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 01, 2018 9:54 pm Okay. I'll move to [VOTE: Macdougall] aubergine.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 12:08 pm @karavalenge @DharmaHelper @ColinIsCool seeing as how Owner requested to be replaced, does that change your stance on wanting her lynched? There are better trains to jump on today. Just saying.

Yes it does. I do suspect Owner, but I'd feel like a scumbag if I lynched her after a family emergency, and if she does get replaced I'd like to see if the person who replaces her is as suspicious or if I just read her wrong

I overslept so I dunno if I will get to the ISOing or not bu I'll do my best. lemme gets situated.

OK Lets try and break this up into House Chunks and see if that makes it easier on me.

Gryffindor:

Colin - Starting N1 off with a bang, he goes at nutella and Jay for the TH lynch and Bullz for his nova vote. here are his reads. He backs chuck up with the "Rezz now!" call. Cops to opposing nova's lynch. He had nova as "N/A" which is frustrating, [mention]ColinIsCool[/mention] Did you explain what "I went of out of my way to reference him for convoluted scum hunting reasons" means? He jumps on Bullz. He got on Owner's case about over-explaining herself saying he has occasion to do that when bad and then he makes this post over-explaining his nova defense? Hm.

Backs off the bullzeye wagon because it feels "Too easy". I'm yellow/light orange on Colin right now.

INH - Goes at Jay, basically just salitily defending himself. Pinged by Nutella/Luna for their participation in Jay's INH case. Again not a lot of stuff to read from INH, but the stuff thats there is defensive by necessity. Meh.

Jay - Jumps up Owner's ass because Owner said he tried to save her in the D1 lynch. If Owner is bad or if Jay is bad this looks staged. Like, Firstly, why give half a fuck just be like "No, I didn't do that," and move on but Jay spends like 3-4 posts on the fuckin' issue. Staged or entirely overdefensive out of a paranoid necessity. Either scenario looks bad to me. here are his reads. Owner is good? Staged.

And I've officially run out of gas sorting through Jay's posts so I'll shift gears from here and ISO people I'm considering voting instead of everyone.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:15 pm Changing my vote to kara, because timmer's on board with it. And because no one shares my INH suspicions.

Mkayyyyy gonna vote Luna here in a bit I'm sure.

My Top Suspects off the top of my head and in no particular order

Jay
Luna
Nutella
Owner

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:21 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:18 pm Jay - Jumps up Owner's ass because Owner said he tried to save her in the D1 lynch. If Owner is bad or if Jay is bad this looks staged. Like, Firstly, why give half a fuck just be like "No, I didn't do that," and move on but Jay spends like 3-4 posts on the fuckin' issue. Staged or entirely overdefensive out of a paranoid necessity. Either scenario looks bad to me. here are his reads. Owner is good? Staged.

You've spent approximately 90 posts on what I view as pure trash content re: Owner.

We spend time on things as long as we must to resolve them. I read her as "good" because after that engagement I wasn't bothered. That's the whole point. Bake in your tunnel if that's what gets your jollies off.

Cool.
Cool cool cool.

Not the same thing but cool cool cool cool.

Great post good job.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:26 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:18 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:15 pm Changing my vote to kara, because timmer's on board with it. And because no one shares my INH suspicions.

Mkayyyyy gonna vote Luna here in a bit I'm sure.

wow DH, sorry I don't agree with all your opinions and such, but it's no reason to lynch me.

Snarky passive aggressive defense very town.

Luna - The Epi/Owner case is weak and I disagree with it. The former could be indicative of just trying to toss spaghetti on the wall. Several instances of her prioritizing the House Cup mechanic which I've already gone over as to why I suspect that. She says she thinks Owner might be town due to how she acted at EoD. Was this (Owner's actions) before or after the Epi/Owner case was built? Luna's posts along the lines of "I'll vote X since nobody wants to lynch Y" strike me as she's insincere. Focused not on expressing her suspicions through her vote, but on voting with the majority/not ruffling any feathers. Eek fam. Baderino. Jumps on Nutella for defending INH, whom she says is suspect for his "fluff". Cool, but also an easy suspect to have especially if you're not gonna back it up with a vote. Luna's been consistently suspicious of Kara for not being around/laying low which is fine, but I think there's been enough actual discussion and participation that if you wanted to you could come away with a suspect that is participating. Unless you think Nova and Kara were both on the same team, and that team is essentially down two players due to inactivity/low activity.

Meh.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:34 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:32 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:26 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:18 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:15 pm Changing my vote to kara, because timmer's on board with it. And because no one shares my INH suspicions.

Mkayyyyy gonna vote Luna here in a bit I'm sure.

wow DH, sorry I don't agree with all your opinions and such, but it's no reason to lynch me.

Snarky passive aggressive defense very town.

You know, last time you tunneled me until I got lynched, you were scum.

What's that got to do with the price of tea in China?

Nutella - Pretty consistently townreading and supporting Owner, which seems almost too blatant if they're teammates. Then again it isn't entirely out of the realm of possibility that Owner was more forthcoming with her IRL situation in a BTSC chat and nutella, being a good person, felt bad enough to support and defend Owner in the thread. Buddy-posted speed N1 before Speed got clipped. This post is Vague Bandwagon Jump On Post 101. "Pretty convinced" by a case that hinges on one post. Meh. Ends up voting for Mac, another easy blendy choice. Town reads Timmer after building a big ol' post about how bad timmer is.

Hey BTW I voted for Lunalee.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:48 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:45 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:43 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:41 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:41 pm I don't want this to look like a "no u" but I am keeping my eye on DH

Who cares what it looks like? What is your current read on DharmaHelper, go.

Okay, give me a minute.

That's not how this works. Take a stance immediately.

Oh, I thought you were requesting a full-fledged analysis. Current GTH read is that DH is scum.

"I don't want this to sound like a No-U but DH is scum because he suspects me."

Too hot god damn call the police and the fireman

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:50 pm

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:47 pm Nutella - Pretty consistently townreading and supporting Owner, which seems almost too blatant if they're teammates. Then again it isn't entirely out of the realm of possibility that Owner was more forthcoming with her IRL situation in a BTSC chat and nutella, being a good person, felt bad enough to support and defend Owner in the thread. Buddy-posted speed N1 before Speed got clipped. This post is Vague Bandwagon Jump On Post 101. "Pretty convinced" by a case that hinges on one post. Meh. Ends up voting for Mac, another easy blendy choice. Town reads Timmer after building a big ol' post about how bad timmer is.

The Bullzeye thing wasn't just based on one post.
I don't know anything about owner's personal life.
I townread timmer and Bullzeye now for reasons.
How is Mac an easy blendy choice if nobody else except quin seems interested in pursuing him

He's easy on account of A) He wont defend himself B) He may not even get lynched unless people put a lot of work into lynching a guy who doesn't give a fuck and isn't here.

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 1:57 pm DH what do you think about the fact that you just described MacDougall as not giving a fuck? You've played with Mac before, does the perceived lack of fucks concern you at all?

He didn't give a fuck in DFS and I think he was civ. I took it as a continuation of his shitpost persona.

Soneji vote looks fine to me, but I'll stick on Luna.

Goodbye old fish hello new fish.

Gonna be a mostly focused on reading back sort of day for ya boi. Don't expect too much in the way of replies

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:38 pm I have no time this phase to play. Here are some suspects to chew on: Isaiah, Kevin, Mark, Qasim, Sid, Stanley

I'm literally not ever going to care about the fake name shit.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 1:55 pm Seriously gang, I only mean to have a little fun and make myself chuckle. Life is a bit of a dead fog otherwise. If it's confusing or annoying I will stop though.

However you get your rocks off you sicko.

Yooo the mafia are getting stomped on this game lol.

I've still got a lot of stuff to catch up on since I got unexpectedly drawn away today but I'll do some real heel-digging tomorrow.

Like Moses I will walk through the desert of shit I didn't read and emerge into the promised land.

What? Moses didn't get to go to the promised land? Says who?

Shit.

insertnamehere wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:39 pm

timmer wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:15 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:11 pm I looked over Luna's posts in U-Pick and Mega Man (mafia in both). It's difficult to identify any tonal differences with this game. In terms of content, I do observe that in her mafia performances she was inclined toward individualized player analysis, in the forms of large quote compilations, ISOs, or thorough reads lists, in a way that isn't quite as visible here. Her hunting activity is more reactive and less self-constructed.

Luna is definitely reactionary right now. It reminds me of my earlier mafia career where I would freak out once I realized that I was being eyed. But she seems to be flailing with no idea of an overarching goal. Vote bullz. Don't vote bullz. But vote bullz. But maybe Kara. But no bullz... it's dizzying.

This. Her 3 targets that she's focused on, Bullz, Kara, and me, have all been easy suspicions to come by, and mostly feel like her hopping onto easy suspects already mentioned by others. She criticized me for having too few/weak reads, and only providing "commentary" to the thread, while she herself has been guilty of all of that.

I always read willful hypocrisy as a scumtell. Other folks I'd be down to lynching: Glorf, Owner, and maaaaaybe JJJ. Need to read up on all of three of them before I decisively side against them.

[VOTE: lunalee] aubergine

OK I've decided to comment-as-I-go type deal and this pretty much clears Luna does it not?

timmer wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:58 pm Hmm... glor has a sort of theatrical way of posting that I can't read much into. I'm leaving glor and Jack for another day. But while I'm ISO ing purple with votes... soneji! Holy interesting case!

TH suspects soneji. Soneji suspects luna. Luna votes owner. So soneji uses this as an excuse to vote for...TH. who suspected soneji . So soneji pulled a clever no U.

Now today soneji is back on Luna, but with no apparent attempt to break down how the lynch result may have affected the case. If soneji felt strongly that Luna was protecting th with a vote on owner, where are the thoughts now that the lynch went how it did?

I think I may join jjj on a soneji vote. Yes, in fact I am.

[VOTE: soneji] aubergine

Yikes Timmer m'boy.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:20 pm

timmer wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 2:58 pm Hmm... glor has a sort of theatrical way of posting that I can't read much into. I'm leaving glor and Jack for another day. But while I'm ISO ing purple with votes... soneji! Holy interesting case!

TH suspects soneji. Soneji suspects luna. Luna votes owner. So soneji uses this as an excuse to vote for...TH. who suspected soneji . So soneji pulled a clever no U.

Now today soneji is back on Luna, but with no apparent attempt to break down how the lynch result may have affected the case. If soneji felt strongly that Luna was protecting th with a vote on owner, where are the thoughts now that the lynch went how it did?

I think I may join jjj on a soneji vote. Yes, in fact I am.

[VOTE: soneji] aubergine

Plus, Luna looks town af to me.

[VOTE: Kyle Sonjei] aubergine

Hibblety Skibbilty, Jack m'boy.

timmer wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:55 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:51 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:47 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:46 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:44 pm the difference between this game and the last game as far as number of opinions from me goes is that in the previous game the few opinions I had were confident and also correct with little basis required up until maybe like day six.

I defended players I knew were civs and voted for my own teammates because I could, and because it was easy, and it made me seem trustworthy to basically everyone except long con. In this game I have few opinions because I've only read like 1/3 of the pages

Did Kylemii just scum-slip?

whaddya mean

He gives a comparison:
Last game (scum): confident opinions, defended players who were civ, voted for his teammates, acted trustworthy
This game (unknown): I have few opinions because I haven't been around.
Not: I have few opinions because I'm town.

So... Ugh... Luna, is that a serious case? Like, you legit think his word choice here is a scumslip? Or is this a desperate attempt at a case to take pressure off of you...

Luna's Kyle comment is stretching it but Timmer's post here is a bit much in the way of calling it out.

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:58 pm

timmer wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:55 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:51 pm

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:47 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:46 pm

Kylemii wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 3:44 pm the difference between this game and the last game as far as number of opinions from me goes is that in the previous game the few opinions I had were confident and also correct with little basis required up until maybe like day six.

I defended players I knew were civs and voted for my own teammates because I could, and because it was easy, and it made me seem trustworthy to basically everyone except long con. In this game I have few opinions because I've only read like 1/3 of the pages

Did Kylemii just scum-slip?

whaddya mean

He gives a comparison:
Last game (scum): confident opinions, defended players who were civ, voted for his teammates, acted trustworthy
This game (unknown): I have few opinions because I haven't been around.
Not: I have few opinions because I'm town.

So... Ugh... Luna, is that a serious case? Like, you legit think his word choice here is a scumslip? Or is this a desperate attempt at a case to take pressure off of you...

Honestly, no. My use of the term "scum slip" was a little heavy. I just wanted to point out that Kylemii's excuse for not "being on top of things" was because he's "busy."

JUST when I thought I could clear Luna :/

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 10:14 pm

Lunalee wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:59 pm

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:34 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 02, 2018 8:21 pm So who was last to vote Soneji? @juliets ? Did ya get a hallow?

I didn't but was I the last one to vote?

why would you ask this nutella? If juliets did get a hallow and tell you, she would become a target. The mafia could kill her to get the hallow.

Well that didn't occur to me because I'm not mafia, sorry

Oof..

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 10:56 am Okay, now that I’m caught up, USE THE FUCKING REZZES TONIGHT

Not to piss in the lemonade here but would the lack of rezzes indicate either nobody has any, whoever does have them died, or whoever does have them is inactive/bad?

Yikes fam.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:54 pm

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 9:15 pm

Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sat Nov 03, 2018 8:28 pm Gryffindor won the House Cup again on Day/Night2 (yep, just like the books).

@ColinIsCool
@DharmaHelper
@JaggedJimmyJay

Pick an item. Remember you can't pick the same item as yesterday.

Elite

Floo powder. My house.

Kyle and I made up a secret code and now it's going to waste.

You mean to tell me Kyle DIDN'T drop ~~!~!@~#SUSHI!@!#~@!~~# on his floor?!?!?

Indirectly relevant. I don't think this was intended as defensive of INH, which warrants saying since the interpretation is possible.

I defending INH by being pinged that Luna *wouldn't* vote for INH? Nerp.