The Syndicate

tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:16 am i think its very likely we will chop town d1 and id like to urge yall to not be too hard on ourselves, we got alot of slankers, game has 24 players but feels like 14 players or less, we are doing the best we can, and thats alright

No

Finished reading your iso @Syn.

Talk to me about EnderWiggin more plz.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:29 am Also on the subject of winrates... Alison and Jay use pure logic and ignore emotion and both have higher winrates than me and I tend to read emotion and ignore logic on occasion probably to the detriment of my results honestly. Case in point Alison would just go on burying Rondo today whereas I'm re-evaluating. Maybe I'm right this time but I think in most cases she would be.

I feel validation in my desire to slam Rondo now. Ty papi.

Oh god now I'm worried about my wr

Oh god now I'm worried about my wr

Agh no, double post. Imma noob.

Syn/Tutuu

Or

Urist/Ender?

Does Rondo fit into either of these?

I'm not able to see the lines like I used to.

Logic and rational thinking in a game of numbers is the correct way to play.

Emotional tact can be quantified and rationalized.

You nerds are arguing the same shit.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:38 am Just based on this page I’d say tutuu/syn is not a stretch

Don't sheep me bro

I moved to Syn.

I agree with Mac, that 2 page Iso is fluff and NAI interaction with KZA and Ender

A Syn blasting would provide juice on Ender and Tutuu

MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:44 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:39 am Logic and rational thinking in a game of numbers is the correct way to play.

Emotional tact can be quantified and rationalized.

You nerds are arguing the same shit.
The influence of ate is the argument. Alison for instance refuses to let emotional behaviours from the recipient of her read affect how she appraises their play and has the highest winrate. We have a similar mindset towards other facets of the game but I will judge emotion one way or the other and she doesn't. I tend to get fooled by it, she doesn't allow herself to be. So from that perspective she would make the argument that it's better to simply ignore it entirely and she would have a strong case.

Strong case, yes, but truly optimized play can rationalize ethos as well as logos. Perhaps you just aren't there yet?

Interesting that in a Syn/Scotty lead, Urist and Scotty hopped on the Spinning Anime girl.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:50 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:49 am Interesting that in a Syn/Scotty lead, Urist and Scotty hopped on the Spinning Anime girl.
Are you currently suspicious of me? Because this seems to imply it.

Not really, but I trust Mac. I want to believe that at least 1 of the lead wagons is correct though. I think it's Syn and not you ATM, but I am also aware of my 0.01% wr.

KZA wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:52 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:49 am Interesting that in a Syn/Scotty lead, Urist and Scotty hopped on the Spinning Anime girl.
I am not spinning.

You're the drinking anime girl.

NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 11:39 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 9:38 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 2:33 pm
Syn wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 1:07 pm
Ruri wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 9:51 am Skimmed here and there. Didn't know Mac was a fellow Scorpio.

Tutuu has good posts. Upon checking Mac's posts, I'm not sure about him yet. Syn seems to be...underwhelming. Made had some sus posts, so I'll ISO that.
what about now?

*strikes a pose*
What are Tutuu's good posts @Ruri?
Oh yeah. It was this. I'm not sure why but the this one had me pinged.
This is obvious mafia.

Cool. Why?

KZA wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 11:52 am
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 11:41 am All of my mafia reads are voting syn
would probably help everyone if you explained your reads

This lol.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:50 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:47 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:40 pm @NotAnAxehole
@Master Radishes
@RondoDimBuckle
@tedxtr
@EnderWiggin

Why is Scotty a better choice today than, say, Syn?
I would vig Epi for this question being worded in this way, rather than the opposite direction. Bad question.

I agree with this gif.

Reading Epi as town (unfortunately).

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:59 pm
NotAnAxehole wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:47 pm
Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:40 pm @NotAnAxehole
@Master Radishes
@RondoDimBuckle
@tedxtr
@EnderWiggin

Why is Scotty a better choice today than, say, Syn?
I would vig Epi for this question being worded in this way, rather than the opposite direction. Bad question.
Agreed

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 12:35 pm Other than that, I don't see anything in Scotty's posts that speak "Good Day 1 lynch."
This screams half-assed. There’s probably plenty to target in my iso and you chose one bit about made and everything else is aight.

Naw dog. I appreciate the (defense?) but I think it looks bad.

Lump Epi in my scumlean pile

Idk. I like Epi's question here. Why is it bad.

Epi's take feels similar to mine towards you tbh.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:13 pm @NotAnAxehole has been burnt at the stake.

Spoiler: show
They were Keira Metz: Glamorous Sorceress Living in a Bog

Wtf lol.

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:13 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:32 am
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:29 am Also on the subject of winrates... Alison and Jay use pure logic and ignore emotion and both have higher winrates than me and I tend to read emotion and ignore logic on occasion probably to the detriment of my results honestly. Case in point Alison would just go on burying Rondo today whereas I'm re-evaluating. Maybe I'm right this time but I think in most cases she would be.
I feel validation in my desire to slam Rondo now. Ty papi.
And here I thought we were friends +scummy DrWigly because I feel like OMGUSing

We are friends! I wouldn't feel good about murdering someone who isn't my friend <3

KZA wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:19 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:18 pm I've got two working theories on Axe.

There vote was of course on Tuutuu, so I'd say it isn't vote related directly.

If we jump into lore/flavor side the church isn't ever good to my limited knowledge on the series. So that points to a mafia/Indy kill.

I'd say we need to wait to see what other kill powers are used to see, but I'd say it's like 65/35 mafia to civ.

The other theory is that I know exactly who did it and its NAI
there are plenty of people the mafia would've shot at before Axe imo, highly doubt it was them

I agree with this. The only exception is that if it is a 1 time scum power and our votes were threatening it's loss.

Actually.

Hear me out. Syn at risk of losing mafia's 1 shot daykill gets towncred by NAA's "all my scumleans are on Syn."

A Syn mafia 100% kills this slot to reveal the opinion as a town discrediting his voters.

Super tin hat, but I'm sold.

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:29 pm
sig wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:28 pm
tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 1:25 pm Man cmon jpic u finna make us google the lore? Aint gonna give us role flips? Smh
I can tell you show/video game lore.

Witches are (generally) good, the empire uses the church in game to kill/take over including burning at stake. Basically standard fantasy fare.

Based off the info we have is why I'm thinking mafia/3rd party. But, if someone with more lore knowledge wants to weight in that would be great.

My tin foil theory is Epi is mafia and day vigged Axe.
why epi?

Yeah what does a scum epi gain by slapping NAA?

I guess here's the thing.

Both Sig and Scotty felt like counter-wagons to Syn that formed.

Yes there would be town in them, but scum forming hard counter wagons makes the most sense if it is Syn.

Like I want to yeet Sig d1 as much as the next guy (love you buddy), but it feels like idk where this wagon came from.

Perhaps I'm rambling. Oh well. Locked in Syn. Gotta drive to Austin now. Gl ppl.

Scotty wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 2:09 pm Lol also you vote for me, the now distant 3rd wagon. This might as well be a vanity vote at this point dya.

Alittle aggro there buddy. Why do you feel the need to dissuade him of this is the case?

dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 2:11 pm I'm perfectly fine with syn or scotty dying. I don't particularly want sig dead because syn is voting there

Good take.

Syn wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 2:17 pm
dyachei wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 2:17 pm syn what reads do you have?
zero

What was all the Wiggin junk earlier then?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:18 pm
MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 3:14 pm
epi shot him because axe was trolling him and threatening to night vig him... epi is town because if he was mafia he would have just killed me as soon as I activated inno child. Also the day vigilante is just town because inno child is in the setup. It makes no sense to put an inno child in a setup and just give mafia a day vig to kill it lol.

Yeah... Probably. Oh well.

Yo 3 different counter wagons saved Syn throughout last Cycle and we are yeeting Made?

What happened?

tedxtr wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 4:26 am my 6th sense says wilgy is a werewolf

my mind says scotty is a werewolf

No not again plz.

Scotty wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:38 am I wasn’t even fucking around and you dingbats just chose to fire into the tunnel?!

I'd fire into your tunnel

Ruri wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:39 am I summoned Dr Wilgy.

Si. Whattup? What do you wish to know exactly? How would my opinion of your perspective impact you?

I suppose what I wonder is, why does my opinion matter?

Ruri wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:45 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:42 am
Ruri wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:39 am I summoned Dr Wilgy.
Si. Whattup? What do you wish to know exactly? How would my opinion of your perspective impact you?
You didn't like my response regarding Tutuu's ISO, was it due to my saying they were generally okay? And yes, I'd say it helps some.

Hmm.. ok I see. Frankl,y I've never been asked for an opinion like this in such a manner and it threw me off.

I don't know how to read your line of questioning. Did you ping me looking for civ cred via an acknowledgement? Did you ping me to gain insight into my head while hunting. I'm not sure.

Regarding Tutuu. Tutuu has a knack of being the fluffiest person on the planet. This is why she's good to pet. Stating that Tutuu's iso is generally ok without direct context/evidence feels like lazy scum play due to Tutuu's meta. Fluffy player is generally ok? That's a red flag.

But also let me add, I had and haven't read Tutuu's iso. My flagging and questioning was strictly meta.

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:57 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:55 am Stating that Tutuu's iso is generally ok without direct context/evidence feels like lazy scum play due to Tutuu's meta
this is ruri's first game on the syndicate nurse wilgy friend, she doesnt know me

its all good, michelle is town and michelle claims a god read that ruri is town

Got it. Accepted.

Ruri wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:59 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:55 am
Ruri wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:45 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:42 am
Ruri wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 9:39 am I summoned Dr Wilgy.
Si. Whattup? What do you wish to know exactly? How would my opinion of your perspective impact you?
You didn't like my response regarding Tutuu's ISO, was it due to my saying they were generally okay? And yes, I'd say it helps some.
Hmm.. ok I see. Frankl,y I've never been asked for an opinion like this in such a manner and it threw me off.

I don't know how to read your line of questioning. Did you ping me looking for civ cred via an acknowledgement? Did you ping me to gain insight into my head while hunting. I'm not sure.

Regarding Tutuu. Tutuu has a knack of being the fluffiest person on the planet. This is why she's good to pet. Stating that Tutuu's iso is generally ok without direct context/evidence feels like lazy scum play due to Tutuu's meta. Fluffy player is generally ok? That's a red flag.
Hmm, not what I expected. You can't be serious about using meta arguments on a new player?

I think the argument is fine in terms of who meta is being applied to. My meta on Tutuu vs a fresh take doesn't mean that you would need to have a meta soul read, but more so context to show me how your read interacts with my already developed meta. I hope that makes sense.

Ruri wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:05 am Ah well, theory about Wilgy is non-existent. Guess I'll ISO.

This has me very curious.

What was this theory?

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:27 am Dr.W pushed Ruri in a wolfy way

Explain this one?

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:31 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:29 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:27 am Dr.W pushed Ruri in a wolfy way
Explain this one?
nope, you explain me your read for her in a better way
i am dying at eod, you know?

Oh shit. Sorry to hear that bean pod friend.

Ruri is neutral for me rn.

The generic read of Tutuu is OK without context was both strange to me and an easy thing for scum to say if Tutuu is in fact town. That's the only reason why I brought it up.

Wanting to shoot Ruri in the face was simply a fear brought on because of this as well.

Maybe neutral isn't the best? Slight scum lean but only slight?

My major curiosity rn is the following:

How did 3 Syn counter wagons form and the succeed?

What's Syn's relation to Ender.

What did Made do for those 4 votes?

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:40 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:37 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:31 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:29 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:27 am Dr.W pushed Ruri in a wolfy way
Explain this one?
nope, you explain me your read for her in a better way
i am dying at eod, you know?
Oh shit. Sorry to hear that bean pod friend.

Ruri is neutral for me rn.

The generic read of Tutuu is OK without context was both strange to me and an easy thing for scum to say if Tutuu is in fact town. That's the only reason why I brought it up.

Wanting to shoot Ruri in the face was simply a fear brought on because of this as well.
you should have a line of questions and an interaction with her before

I 100% agree. That's why I did ask the Tutuu question and interacted following. Do you disagree with my question?

RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:42 am
Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:40 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:39 am [VOTE: Michelle ] aubergine
use your vote wise, i die at eod, i am poisoned

Ruri wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:40 am
RondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:39 am [VOTE: Michelle ] aubergine
Why?
Im happy with my vote

Lol good meme.

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:42 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:40 am My major curiosity rn is the following:

How did 3 Syn counter wagons form and the succeed?

What's Syn's relation to Ender.

What did Made do for those 4 votes?
1 - people were following the ic

2 - i dont see one

3 - he is scummy, me and mac and other ppl all think so

The ic? What does this mean? Apologies for my dumbness.

Michelle wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:43 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:40 am My major curiosity rn is the following:

How did 3 Syn counter wagons form and the succeed?

What's Syn's relation to Ender.

What did Made do for those 4 votes?
Made did ~ n o t h i n g ~ iykwym
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:38 am Maybe neutral isn't the best? Slight scum lean but only slight?
Let me die before you push Ruri, i won't let you

Fair enough.

I won't be pushing Ruri lol. There are far more important things to solve rn.

tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:44 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:43 am
tutuu wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:42 am
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Mon Aug 30, 2021 10:40 am My major curiosity rn is the following:

How did 3 Syn counter wagons form and the succeed?

What's Syn's relation to Ender.

What did Made do for those 4 votes?
1 - people were following the ic

2 - i dont see one

3 - he is scummy, me and mac and other ppl all think so
The ic? What does this mean? Apologies for my dumbness.
innocent child, mac

Oh. I understand. Dumb.

/sigh

I just wanna resolve Syn.

Also there is some Syn Wiggin interaction. Syn's early votes on them into not having any reads stood out to me.

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