That’s fair I guess
Lazy, but fair
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That’s fair I guess
The influence of ate is the argument. Alison for instance refuses to let emotional behaviours from the recipient of her read affect how she appraises their play and has the highest winrate. We have a similar mindset towards other facets of the game but I will judge emotion one way or the other and she doesn't. I tend to get fooled by it, she doesn't allow herself to be. So from that perspective she would make the argument that it's better to simply ignore it entirely and she would have a strong case.
Of course my mom also told me as a kid that those ear candling things were real life hacks, and come to find out doing my own research that it’s an utter scam so
Strong case, yes, but truly optimized play can rationalize ethos as well as logos. Perhaps you just aren't there yet?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:44 amThe influence of ate is the argument. Alison for instance refuses to let emotional behaviours from the recipient of her read affect how she appraises their play and has the highest winrate. We have a similar mindset towards other facets of the game but I will judge emotion one way or the other and she doesn't. I tend to get fooled by it, she doesn't allow herself to be. So from that perspective she would make the argument that it's better to simply ignore it entirely and she would have a strong case.
she couldn’t have been seriousMacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:47 am Whereas Tutuu (maybe sorta jokingly) was implying that only reading emotion is necessary. Which I think is arguable when you look at the results of games. I think reading vote patterns, wagons, postcounts and clarity of progression are all superior.
I didn’t see it as a joketedxtr wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:47 amshe couldn’t have been seriousMacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:47 am Whereas Tutuu (maybe sorta jokingly) was implying that only reading emotion is necessary. Which I think is arguable when you look at the results of games. I think reading vote patterns, wagons, postcounts and clarity of progression are all superior.
Well I mean... I do play that was as I've said. And my winrate since 2019 is very high. But it's not really an argument of that. It's an argument of emotion only vs. logic only lol and I think if you pick one in this game you pick reading the game without letting emotion influence your reads vs. emotion only if you want to pick between the two. I agree that it's far better to view emotion as another facet of play that can be read logically.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:46 amStrong case, yes, but truly optimized play can rationalize ethos as well as logos. Perhaps you just aren't there yet?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:44 amThe influence of ate is the argument. Alison for instance refuses to let emotional behaviours from the recipient of her read affect how she appraises their play and has the highest winrate. We have a similar mindset towards other facets of the game but I will judge emotion one way or the other and she doesn't. I tend to get fooled by it, she doesn't allow herself to be. So from that perspective she would make the argument that it's better to simply ignore it entirely and she would have a strong case.
Are you currently suspicious of me? Because this seems to imply it.
oh yes, i wasnt being literalMacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:47 am Whereas Tutuu (maybe sorta jokingly) was implying that only reading emotion is necessary. Which I think is arguable when you look at the results of games. I think reading vote patterns, wagons, postcounts and clarity of progression are all superior.
I use primarily logic, and most of my wins are from someone else carrying me using a mixture of both, or luck, or crystal gazing.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:49 amWell I mean... I do play that was as I've said. And my winrate since 2019 is very high. But it's not really an argument of that. It's an argument of emotion only vs. logic only lol and I think if you pick one in this game you pick reading the game without letting emotion influence your reads vs. emotion only if you want to pick between the two. I agree that it's far better to view emotion as another facet of play that can be read logically.DrWilgy wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:46 amStrong case, yes, but truly optimized play can rationalize ethos as well as logos. Perhaps you just aren't there yet?MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:44 amThe influence of ate is the argument. Alison for instance refuses to let emotional behaviours from the recipient of her read affect how she appraises their play and has the highest winrate. We have a similar mindset towards other facets of the game but I will judge emotion one way or the other and she doesn't. I tend to get fooled by it, she doesn't allow herself to be. So from that perspective she would make the argument that it's better to simply ignore it entirely and she would have a strong case.
I am not spinning.
Not really, but I trust Mac. I want to believe that at least 1 of the lead wagons is correct though. I think it's Syn and not you ATM, but I am also aware of my 0.01% wr.
You're the drinking anime girl.
If I were “caught” as a wolf, I would feel equally as slighted and would actually use AtE to my advantage (maybe) knowing that you use that as a sleuthing mechanism. That’s where the logica manipulation comes fromtutuu wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:50 amoh yes, i wasnt being literalMacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:47 am Whereas Tutuu (maybe sorta jokingly) was implying that only reading emotion is necessary. Which I think is arguable when you look at the results of games. I think reading vote patterns, wagons, postcounts and clarity of progression are all superior.
if u'd like to "logicify" my read on scotty, i would put it like that
"i dont believe that scotty is capable of faking that level of purity as a wolf, i believe that it is hard to do generally, and he himself doesn't feel like a cold blooded liar. he did some hiccups in his reasonings, well a lot, to the point where i feel like he's just town, for i think it is unlikely that a wolf does that many, for i believe that villagers are more hotheaded and can lose their path a lil bit, while mafia i believe tend to be more grounded and retain he ability to sound more agreeable"
but this is really long to type out and it tires me, so i prefer to just say "emotion"
if that were the case im hoping that i'd be able to identify liars using my sense of empathyScotty wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:55 amIf I were “caught” as a wolf, I would feel equally as slighted and would actually use AtE to my advantage (maybe) knowing that you use that as a sleuthing mechanism. That’s where the logica manipulation comes fromtutuu wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:50 amoh yes, i wasnt being literalMacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:47 am Whereas Tutuu (maybe sorta jokingly) was implying that only reading emotion is necessary. Which I think is arguable when you look at the results of games. I think reading vote patterns, wagons, postcounts and clarity of progression are all superior.
if u'd like to "logicify" my read on scotty, i would put it like that
"i dont believe that scotty is capable of faking that level of purity as a wolf, i believe that it is hard to do generally, and he himself doesn't feel like a cold blooded liar. he did some hiccups in his reasonings, well a lot, to the point where i feel like he's just town, for i think it is unlikely that a wolf does that many, for i believe that villagers are more hotheaded and can lose their path a lil bit, while mafia i believe tend to be more grounded and retain he ability to sound more agreeable"
but this is really long to type out and it tires me, so i prefer to just say "emotion"
I’ll remember this for future gamesMacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:51 am I tend to only read emotion when it comes from players that I have yet to see evidence can weaponise it as mafia. Once they do it once then it might as well not be a thing. Though I'd be lying if I said it didn't move me still.
maybe i just can't imagine being upsetting to be caught as mafia. it feels to me like a bizzare thing to feelMacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:56 am Yeah so Scotty basically explained right there why it's ever a bad idea to townread ate. It's so easy to win games as mafia when all you have to do is get genuinely upset by being caught in a game in which it's upsetting to be caught.
But wolves can have ATE and not be lying. That's the problem lol.tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:56 amif that were the case im hoping that i'd be able to identify liars using my sense of empathyScotty wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:55 amIf I were “caught” as a wolf, I would feel equally as slighted and would actually use AtE to my advantage (maybe) knowing that you use that as a sleuthing mechanism. That’s where the logica manipulation comes fromtutuu wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:50 amoh yes, i wasnt being literalMacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:47 am Whereas Tutuu (maybe sorta jokingly) was implying that only reading emotion is necessary. Which I think is arguable when you look at the results of games. I think reading vote patterns, wagons, postcounts and clarity of progression are all superior.
if u'd like to "logicify" my read on scotty, i would put it like that
"i dont believe that scotty is capable of faking that level of purity as a wolf, i believe that it is hard to do generally, and he himself doesn't feel like a cold blooded liar. he did some hiccups in his reasonings, well a lot, to the point where i feel like he's just town, for i think it is unlikely that a wolf does that many, for i believe that villagers are more hotheaded and can lose their path a lil bit, while mafia i believe tend to be more grounded and retain he ability to sound more agreeable"
but this is really long to type out and it tires me, so i prefer to just say "emotion"
Being mafia and getting caught by good town play is upsetting the same way losing any sport is upsetting. You should be gracious in post but in our sport you get to channel your inner spoiled brat before that to try to get out of it.tutuu wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:57 ammaybe i just can't imagine being upsetting to be caught as mafia. it feels to me like a bizzare thing to feelMacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 10:56 am Yeah so Scotty basically explained right there why it's ever a bad idea to townread ate. It's so easy to win games as mafia when all you have to do is get genuinely upset by being caught in a game in which it's upsetting to be caught.
Why not vote Syn? Do you townread him too?
Soup kill legit read first post claiming has consequences.MacDougall wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 5:25 am when have mafia ever seen a confirm and been like oh yay a confirm?
I'm ponder his vote, hiding, giving him the eye of hmm then making a face seems about right.
I'm assuming this is a serious question. Soup kill is basically mafia sends in the name and correlating role/flavor (host dependent) of x number of players. Every player they get right immediately dies. IT varies how many times mafia can use it, but when the host mentioned claiming has consequences that makes the most sense.
I am a mod confirmed inno child. I did it for the kek. Iso me for the purified truncated catch up. I've basically camped most of the game. Have a POE and reads and shit. If you're town it's probably good to start there. If mafia you can just sheep whichever of my reads is wrong. If all of them then happy days for you.
sup sup
This is obvious mafia.
HmRondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 6:37 am @NotAnAxehole @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
can I get an updated situation from you two. One word answers are acceptable, two would be great and three is someone asking something unreasonable.
Vote scotty, if Scotty is mafia we can say the game was won at rand, I don't think it's impossible actually. Syn just town though by vote I think.NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 11:41 amHmRondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Sat Aug 28, 2021 6:37 am @NotAnAxehole @NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME
can I get an updated situation from you two. One word answers are acceptable, two would be great and three is someone asking something unreasonable.
MacDougall wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 11:39 pmI'll give Falcon another townread because why not. I don't see anything wrong with his short iso. Seems to be >rand falcon.falcon45ca wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 10:38 amThis is grossRondoDimBuckle wrote: ↑Fri Aug 27, 2021 5:00 amI think is mac is town he dies first, most solvy in the game so far, cant leave him up as a wolf. So that slot will resolve itself
I'm wearing spandex!
you're not even gonna give me time to get in the thread? rude