The Syndicate

Or Mewtwo.

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2017 4:00 am Well, I did attempt some helpful posts. It would be more helpful if people could give me some feedback on them. I said pretty much similar to Gman. I like that DDL didn't even acknowledge them either.

I suppose that is just how useless everyone has been viewing me all game lol.

I'm putting my vote on DDL for now.

I said that the last lynch made you look suspicious. That's it.

I shouldn't have to add a "but she made some helpful posts" every time I do that.

Specially since it's not hard for a baddie to do that. Sprityo and DF have made.a lot of helpful posts.

boo wrote: ↑Sun Jul 09, 2017 11:33 pm I think I have to go ddl. I have never felt good about him, and I was trying to bait the kill to go after him, me, or Tink. If it was me or Tink, my thinking was it'd look bad on him. So... It's an entire gut feeling. I'm not loving it, and I could easily be swayed on switching it, but I just want to get it in, because I expect we might see the last baddie have a card left to play, and I don't want them or mewtwo doing something sneaky that goes unopposed.

Maybe mafia doesn't follow your advice on who to kill?

I have been on the suspect list of half the players for the whole game. While Tink is being called civ by most people for a long time. I think she is a better choice than me.

I don't need to wait for you to post anything in order to look at the votes and say they make you look bad.

Your posts are a lesser piece of evidence compared to vote analysis.

This was the first time DF ever mentioned, interacted with, or acknowledged the existance of Neverwhere.

DFaraday wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2017 1:02 pm
G-Man wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2017 8:40 am I want everyone to start thinking ahead of the current day. Let's focus on combinations. If DFaraday is lynched and flips mafia, which player makes the most sense to you as the last baddie? If DFaraday flips indy or civvie, what two players make the most sense as the last two baddies?

Reasons to support your thoughts are preferable.

Voting me is not going to accomplish anything. It won't help the civ cause. If you're looking for the baddies, I'm thinking it's Wilgy and Neverwhere.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 10:05 am MOOOOOOOOM, LC broke the siiiiiite.

Gman's notes brought me back to these lists.
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:10 pm Boo
Gman
Dizzy
Nutella
Speedchuck
DF

Thats my proposed list. You guys post yours. I propose we make a deadline for it and then everyone sends their votes. Is 3 hours before the end of N0 good enough?

DFaraday wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 4:40 pm If we're still considering alternatives to Jack's list:

G-Man
Boo
DDL
Dyslexicon

Those are the only ones I'm leaning somewhat civ on so far.

nutella wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 5:08 pm For what it's worth, here's a list of players I'm considering sending my point to:
Jack
G-Man
Long Con
Speedchuck
Dyslexicon
Timmer

sprityo wrote: ↑Sun Jun 25, 2017 6:22 pm So I don't get the purpose of putting 6 names down. From what I can read in the OP it's just one person you vote for. But my list is as follows:

Speedchuck - because we're CPI buddies
Dom - because I'm afraid of Dom. Always.
Jack - because I "like" jack as a person
DrWigly - because he's a doctor
LC - because I like LC as a person
Mac - because I haven't seen Mac in forever it feels like
Everyone above, has your list from before changed? how has it changed? has it narrowed down or widened? why?

DDL, DF, Hazelnut, you had all 3 chosen Gman. Why G-man in specific.

Sprityo, in regards to your list specifically, you and Jack were the only ones to list me. Why did you choose me? beyond that of "he's a doctor?" Am I still on that list? Why did you choose Dom and Mac as one only posted today, and the other is still out?

There are more players that I no idea what to think than players who I have thoughts on. I'd say the null and void atm are DF, Dom, Eloh, G-Man, Mac, Neverwhere, Sprit and Tink. From all of you, can you let me know which player you find the most interesting, and why?

And for now...

Adios muchachos.
He calls his view on Neverwhere "null and void" in this post. Later that day:

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 5:18 pm
Neverwhere wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:39 pmDr. Wigly pings me off a bit too. He seems helpful, but fishes for a lot of information and asks a lot of questions without giving much of his own opinion sometimes. I think he just reminds me a lot of me when I've been scum.
I like this. Information gain without use is just fluff, even if it brings discussion.

If you want my opinion, feel free to ask me. I'm at a point where I have too many nulls. These nulls make it hard for me to judge the active players.
G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Jun 30, 2017 4:00 pm If you all had to choose between the following five people for today's lynch, who would you vote for? Right now, I'm wavering between two of them, possibly a third.

-Fredwood
-Neverwhere
-Nutella
-Sprityo
-Tink
Tink.
Here Wilgy commends Neverwhere for calling out Wilgy's commenting without really contributing. Incidentally, Wilgy doesn't actually address the concern, and in addition Neverwhere herself ends up playing that very way later in that game.

They then later both vote Eloh, but then after the lynch Neverwhere comments:

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Tue Jul 04, 2017 12:23 pm Yeah, I'm really sorry guys, I was super excited to sign up for this game and then life got super busy the minute it started. Feeding the little girl and ill drink a cup of coffee to stay awake tonight.

I am 100% town. I think one of my struggles this game is a lot of my scum reads are turning out to be town. Genuinely thought Eloh could flip town. I've only ever really played as mafia. My first game on another site I was mafia, in OMERTA I was mafia. The last game i played here 2 years ago was my first town game but I ended up ending my relationship in the middle of the game and I had to bow out because of that. I think I'm trying to find my feet as civ. It's definitely much harder. Saying all of this could totally draw attention to me, but whatever, its the truth and im going to try harder.

I'd written up some notes on what I thought of players thus far and I'm going to try and go back to revise though.

If it's between Fredwood and me, I'm really not sure. I'm definitely civ and I'm not sure I have a great read on Fred. I genuinely don't know. I'd like to look more at the remaining users that weren't on any of Eloh's lists.
Could have just meant scum, could be a slip.

And then just recently there's this odd little exchange.

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:52 pm
Neverwhere wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:23 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 5:19 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Fri Jul 07, 2017 4:26 pm It is also possible that DFaraday is either town or Mewtwo and also absorbed the night kill last night.
Is he immortal in your head Quin?
Why poking fun?
A 3rd party that can survive a lynch, that's fine.

A 3rd party that can survive a nk, also fine.

Both? Now I have speculation as to how serious this comment was.
Add to all of the above Wilgy's suspicious behavior on the day of Sprityo's lynch, his continued insistence on voting low posters except when it's convenient not to, and Neverwhere leaning really, really heavily on the newbie card, and I believe those are the baddies.

This was right after he survived the first lynch attempt.

If we are looking for a pattern, he also avoided Sprit like a plague.

Votes neverwhere.

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2017 6:42 am Also, we're talking about different things. Instead of in any way defending yourself, you're NO U ing. Badsville.

NO U did a "NO U" first. I said the votes made you look bad and you proceeded to vote me.

You say you were not opposed to lynching DF, but your actions indicate otherwise.

Wilgy still looks good to me. His frustration at us not lynching Dizzy felt sincere.

Gman is hard to read, but that was that evolution slip, which felt honest rather than a master gambit. So he is either a normal type like he implied, or one of the Mews.

I believe our Malamar is either Never, Dizzy or Quin.

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:19 am I voted for Faraday the first time, I was not opposed to a Faraday lynch at all.

Also, if I were mafia this would be really shitty playing on my part. I went back and looked at the posts, I hadn't set out with intent to lynch anyone in particular,I just read the posts and looked at what they said. If I were mafia it would be pretty stupid of me to read your posts accusing me and then go after you so hard. That does nothing but draw attention to myself and make me look guilty.

If I were mafia it would make much more sense for me to post less, be subtle and go for someone other than you especially since no one really commented a whole lot on me after you made the posts accusing me.

It just doesn't make any sense. I am not the mafia.

That is a lot of wifom.

Neverwhere wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:36 am
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:31 am
Neverwhere wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2017 7:19 am I voted for Faraday the first time, I was not opposed to a Faraday lynch at all.

Also, if I were mafia this would be really shitty playing on my part. I went back and looked at the posts, I hadn't set out with intent to lynch anyone in particular,I just read the posts and looked at what they said. If I were mafia it would be pretty stupid of me to read your posts accusing me and then go after you so hard. That does nothing but draw attention to myself and make me look guilty.

If I were mafia it would make much more sense for me to post less, be subtle and go for someone other than you especially since no one really commented a whole lot on me after you made the posts accusing me.

It just doesn't make any sense. I am not the mafia.
That is a lot of wifom.
What is wifom?

https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=WIFOM

Basically any argument based on "would I do this if I were bad". Its hard to believe because you could do it just to be able to say that.

Everything is wifom. That is why scumhunting is so hard. But someone intentionally using wifom arguments makes me sus.

Nutella's quote is indeed very specific.

It's hard for someone to convince me that I'm wrong, but once they do (or when I realize it myself) I'm very quick to admit the mistake. That's why I'm always apologizing.

Proud is pointless when you know reality doesn't support your opinion.

Pride*

I want to know why she voted for Quin.

Guys what do you think of my case on Nevermind? So far only Never herself has talked about it.

Theres a guy at my other site called Nevermind, so don't mind if I call her that sometimes.

The problem isn't that interaction. It's the lack of it before DF's first lynch.

Boo, stop being 2015 me ffs.

Golden the Coward

Holy shit that settles it.

*votes Quin*

(justkddnnp)

G-Man wrote: ↑Mon Jul 10, 2017 8:30 pm I'm expressing surprise at the notion that we may all actually vote finally. This game has been nightmare.

Also, Golden the Coward subbed into Economics and hit the ground running. His tenacity to read and understand made him seem good when we were trying to find the last baddie- him. Hitting a game mid-stream is great cover for a baddie because it takes forever to build up the kind of content required for people to form opinions about you. You also get the benefit of the doubt because you have to catch up on a deeper level. In other words, you may have earned a seat on the back burner as a baddie. By the time I caught on to Golden the Coward, we had maybe 10 minutes left to vote and I had posted in pics and memes all game, so I got lynched at Lylo and the baddies won.

To be fair my plan was to lynch you, then Golden (though I had a tinfoil suspicion on Jay I was struggling to fight)

But civs decided to lynch sanmateo, then you. And while I was reading sanmateo as civ and would have tried to protect him, Golden the Coward killed me in the previous night.

I need to save myself and Never doesn't seem like shes going anywhere.

But I think Gman is not mafia (maybe Mewtwo tho)

But following Dizzy's unexplained vote on Quin makes me feel dead inside.

What do I do

Sounds like a plan.

*votes dizzy*

Night.

DDL
Boo
Wilgy
Gman
Quin
Neverwhere

That is the Inkay/Malamar rainbow list. The Mewtwo rainbow list is a work in progress.

I can't either.

Guys, are you still sending evolution votes?

I was wondering if we could try to reveal who we voted for all game, and maybe try to use that to analyse each other.

Just an idea.

G-Man wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 12:00 am i like this. If the baddie was blocked, someone knows who they are. If the baddie abstained or failed to send in the kill, they just gave us an extra day to hunt them down.

They didn't. Now we get to endgame with four players instead of three, and it will be decided by RNG.

Unless we get another kill miss.

Hey Neverwhere (and apparently Boo) I get that you want to lynch me but will you at least talk to others about the game and discuss your reads while at that?

This "I shall do nothing until DDL is dead" is huring the civs more than anything.

We need to talk as much as we can.

I gave the idea but Ill also have to wait till I get home to post my votes.

d0: Dizzy
n1: Boo
n2: Wilgy
n3: Gman
n4: Nutella
n5: Gman
n6: Boo
n7: Dizzy
n8: Gman

Not sure what to gather from those, tbh.

I know I want to lynch either Quin or Never tho.

I think I'll ISO them. Brb.

I didn't want to repeat previous votes and she was Next Best Thing.

Also I was under the impression I had given more votes to Wilgy.

This is suspicious:

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:30 pm
I remember that DFaraday more or less just said 'cool' to my case on boo when I initially posted it, and said he'd look into his votes which hasn't come to anything yet. It was only a disappointment then, but it's 'helped' reassure me in my read of boo, which I could do to hold off on to figure out how I feel about DFaraday.

@DFaraday, did you ever look through boo yourself? What did you think?

Wilgy, I got to page 2 of your ISO and still didn't have anything to talk about. That did annoy me, because you mentioned how you thrive better when there's stuff to talk about with you.

Quin wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:00 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 8:57 pm This is suspicious:

Quin wrote: ↑Thu Jul 06, 2017 8:30 pm
I remember that DFaraday more or less just said 'cool' to my case on boo when I initially posted it, and said he'd look into his votes which hasn't come to anything yet. It was only a disappointment then, but it's 'helped' reassure me in my read of boo, which I could do to hold off on to figure out how I feel about DFaraday.

@DFaraday, did you ever look through boo yourself? What did you think?

Wilgy, I got to page 2 of your ISO and still didn't have anything to talk about. That did annoy me, because you mentioned how you thrive better when there's stuff to talk about with you.

Talk about that.

Possibly calling your teammate to help push a wagon on this guy you have been tiptoing around for a week.

Fine.

Still suspicious for the whole "calling DF" thing.

I also haven't forgotten the attempt to do a CFD on the day DF got lynched for the second time, after voting for him in the first lynch.

Quin wrote: ↑Sat Jul 08, 2017 10:54 pm CFD on Neverwhere, peeps? Got nothing at all to say about him. He and G-Man, maybe Dizzy are all on the PoE list I hate so much.

Why would you attempt a CFD when the person you tried to lynch yesterday and who survived because of abilities is being lynched again?

This looks actually worse than Never, since not only Never did not attempt to throw such a huge wrench at our successful baddie lynch, but she was also the second person to push a lynch on DF in the first lynch (you were the fourth, iirc).

CFD, for those who don't know, is a tactic where someone suggests a new candidate out of nowhere near the end of the day, and they get lynched in a flash. It's how sprityo died. The theoretical advantage is that baddies can't react against it fast enough, and tend to look bad afterwards.

You did comment on that at the time.

It's still an easy way out for the baddie team though. Convince everyone DF is our indie and get him out of jail. It almost worked.

But what about the fact you were only convinced to vote for DF when I showed you his interaction with Sprityo? Shouldn't that mean he is mafia instead of indie?

I see sprityo lurking.

Did Quin just go to Chatzy and start yelling OH SHIT THEY FOUND ME so sprit came to check it out?

Well I was already suspecting Quin, but now it seems like I have no choice.

Time to pray for the RNG gods.

boo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:55 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:27 pm I didn't want to repeat previous votes and she was Next Best Thing.

Also I was under the impression I had given more votes to Wilgy.
That doesn't make sense. Why not repeat someone you had previously chosen, when by that point you did not trust dizzy at all and did trust other living people.

I think you're bad, and your list is fake (makes no sense for a baddie to keep choosing anyone once both their teammates are dead).

Voting ddl.

Because if I'm wrong about my civs reads, at least I'm not evolving someone bad to the third stage. I think spreading votes is safer.

Second guessing oneself. That's a skill you learn after losing 7 consecutive games as civ on this site.

Seriously though.

If Boo and Never are hellbent on voting only for me until I'm dead.

Then the civs are doomed.

Because all mafia has to do is spare me and one of Boo/Never (or both), and the last day is sealed.

Can you guys at least try to consider other options? Like, Never didn't even post today. She just voted for me silently. That isn't good civvie play in any universe.

boo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:57 pm
DrWilgy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 11:54 pm Shit. I fell asleep.

Sorry Quin. I voted you prodding. I didn't mean to leave it there.

boo wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 9:55 pm
Dragon D. Luffy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 12, 2017 7:27 pm I didn't want to repeat previous votes and she was Next Best Thing.

Also I was under the impression I had given more votes to Wilgy.
That doesn't make sense. Why not repeat someone you had previously chosen, when by that point you did not trust dizzy at all and did trust other living people.

I think you're bad, and your list is fake (makes no sense for a baddie to keep choosing anyone once both their teammates are dead).

Voting ddl.
Odd. What do you think about G-Man's list?
I think it no longer matters. The civs just lost. Mostly because at this point, they deserve to, imo.

They includes you.

I have been bad at mafia since I started and I'm still playing. Please don't stop because of that.

As for your question, I'm using the same person as the post I replied to.

Of course two out of my three civ reads are bad.

I'm gonna follow Boo. I still think he is a civ, and I still think Gman is not-mafia. Hopefully at least this one read is right and Mewtwo fails to kill tonight.

Votes Wilgy.

Also there is a high chance I will miss the end of the phase. It will depend on 3g signal and phone batteries. We'll see. So Im voting now just to be safe.

G-Man wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2017 12:00 am Intriguing. I'd have figured that Boo would be killed if DDL is the last baddie. Perhaps it's an attempt to make us doubt Boo as a civvie. Regardless, this kill gets rid of a likely DDL vote, which might net another split vote.

Is it DDL trying to give himself a sporting chance?

Or could it be Boo trying to make himself look even more civ via wifom (why kill someone who can help you win?)?

Or is it Wilgy trying to orchestrate a guaranteed mislynch between me and DDL?

Oh the humanity. Oh the tinfoil!

Shut up Mewtwo.

boo wrote: ↑Fri Jul 14, 2017 4:38 am Huh... Well, well played whoever you are, I was certain neverwhere was the last.

When did you become sure of that? And how?

(I mean I dont know for sure G is mewtwo but I wanted to say that)

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