The Syndicate

nutella wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:08 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:04 pm ?

in a vacuum i don't think elephant is trying to pocket juliets if elephant is a wolf. at the very least i don't think it's intentional.

also i had another thing to say and completely forgot about it... whatever.
If he's a wolf, he absolutely has deliberately pocketed juliets, just take my word for it lol.

Why can't you explain this?

It strikes me that wagons on me tend to hapoen when I am not actually in the thread, which is largely predictable because most people tend to sleep at night. It's not a push designed to determine my alignment, it's just a straight hatchet job with a transparent aim. Examine the reasons given for the sudden swing by nutella or Long Con, there aren't any, and vanity, who prompted the swing, hasn't given any reasons either.

And we know that nutella led up to a game state change by linking that MU article by General Handkerchief. Letting GH speak for her avoided her taking responsibility for this; Hyena did. He aimed it at nutella, and was rejected. And now vanity has driven a change, with an agenda that should surprise absolutely nobody. If there was a true re-evaluation going on, we'd see cases on me, players engaging me, trying to understand my play, but that's not happening. The effect is going to be yet another day that Vanity survives a serious push, and the agenda there is anti-town. In fact, I am questioning if the second killer, whom we assumed to be a town vigilante, is actually town-aligned; we assumed so because they helped us by resolving wagons, but last night, the vanity wagon was not resolved! That fits with the killer really being anti-town. If we decide that this killer is not town-aligned (and they haven't shot a single scum yet), that will change my outlook on this game considerably.

Wagonomics: a wagon without resistance is usually a scum push, and the vanity wagon had no resistance--until now. The wagon attempt on me is the resistance, and the Ty4on wagon was the resistance yesterday. On D2, the resistance was "mendel doesn't have enough credibility to wagon vanity", and that sufficed. The vanity wagon has been counterpushed every day, and today marks the third time.

Vanity has been setting the game state on Day 2. Let me quote from "Stopping the Juggernaut": Powerwolfing "is an active approach designed to take control of the game and dictate which lynches are and are not acceptable". This is the agenda vanity has set:

vanity. wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:17 pm tlib
elephant
juliets
long con
dfaraday

this is the list of suspects i'm working within today. get crackalackin.

This is what the wolves are trying to revert the game state back to, if you look at what happened last night, it is very obvious. I explained on day 2 why this is not a good game state: it is statistically improbable that the weaker players rand scum and the stronger players don't; shaping your reads like this is strong player bias. I have been assuming that most players do it unintentionally, but maybe that is not always the case.

My personal take is that I have pushed the game state away from being wolfsided yesterday, but not enough since the lynch went to the easier push and not to vanity, and vanity is working hard today to push it back, and nutella is helping.

I am not voting nutella today because I think she may be an unwitting accomplice, because reasons, and because I think that leaving vanity unflipped for yet another day is untenable and will ruin town morale. We need to lynch vanity today, or this game is likely to go down the drain. We need a scum lynch today.

I identified strong players on day 2 by a criterium independent of their performance in this game: anyone who advanced in the MU championships is undoubtedly "strong". Benson revealed that he had advanced in a previous season, and including Nanook and LLD, who played this year's finale, the list is Benson, Lady LambdaDelta, Nanook, nutella, Spiny Creature, Vanity. I know why vanity is still alive. nutella is either scum with vanity, or left alive because she was considered pocketed (the vote on Ty4on probably helped create that impression).

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:40 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:48 am Wagonomics: a wagon without resistance is usually a scum push, and the vanity wagon had no resistance--until now. The wagon attempt on me is the resistance, and the Ty4on wagon was the resistance yesterday. On D2, the resistance was "mendel doesn't have enough credibility to wagon vanity", and that sufficed. The vanity wagon has been counterpushed every day, and today marks the third time.

Vanity has been setting the game state on Day 2. Let me quote from "Stopping the Juggernaut": Powerwolfing "is an active approach designed to take control of the game and dictate which lynches are and are not acceptable". This is the agenda vanity has set:
vanity. wrote: ↑Wed Oct 30, 2019 6:17 pm tlib
elephant
juliets
long con
dfaraday

this is the list of suspects i'm working within today. get crackalackin.
This is what the wolves are trying to revert the game state back to, if you look at what happened last night, it is very obvious. I explained on day 2 why this is not a good game state: it is statistically improbable that the weaker players rand scum and the stronger players don't; shaping your reads like this is strong player bias. I have been assuming that most players do it unintentionally, but maybe that is not always the case.

My personal take is that I have pushed the game state away from being wolfsided yesterday, but not enough since the lynch went to the easier push and not to vanity, and vanity is working hard today to push it back, and nutella is helping.

I am not voting nutella today because I think she may be an unwitting accomplice, because reasons, and because I think that leaving vanity unflipped for yet another day is untenable and will ruin town morale. We need to lynch vanity today, or this game is likely to go down the drain. We need a scum lynch today.
You are the juggernaut my trunked friend.

None of the wagons I have voted on have been lynched. NONE. How am I supposed to be controlling the lynches? I have been pushing vanity for three days now, to no avail. You have been voting on ALL of the lynches. If vanity had self-preserved, he'd have been voting on all the lynches. Actually, come to think of it, your vote behaviour might be a strong clear for you. Hmm.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:39 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:22 am It strikes me that wagons on me tend to hapoen when I am not actually in the thread, which is largely predictable because most people tend to sleep at night. It's not a push designed to determine my alignment, it's just a straight hatchet job with a transparent aim. Examine the reasons given for the sudden swing by nutella or Long Con, there aren't any, and vanity, who prompted the swing, hasn't given any reasons either.

And we know that nutella led up to a game state change by linking that MU article by General Handkerchief. Letting GH speak for her avoided her taking responsibility for this; Hyena did. He aimed it at nutella, and was rejected. And now vanity has driven a change, with an agenda that should surprise absolutely nobody. If there was a true re-evaluation going on, we'd see cases on me, players engaging me, trying to understand my play, but that's not happening. The effect is going to be yet another day that Vanity survives a serious push, and the agenda there is anti-town. In fact, I am questioning if the second killer, whom we assumed to be a town vigilante, is actually town-aligned; we assumed so because they helped us by resolving wagons, but last night, the vanity wagon was not resolved! That fits with the killer really being anti-town. If we decide that this killer is not town-aligned (and they haven't shot a single scum yet), that will change my outlook on this game considerably.
This is some bullshit shade on me I think, though you still admit I'm town after this. I don't get it. I think you have needed to be resolved since d2 as much as vanity. And I think the vig probably just ran out of points, I doubt they're not town aligned (I assumed the structure of the role list in the op is meaningful and not misleading).

The vigilante is town, but they might not be the night killer. The role list has a 3rd party, and we had a sanitized flip. It feels unlikely, but it is possible.

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:07 am Like, do I really need to go on? Nutella has been swinging wherever the tide goes between Elephant and Vanity, and then, when she has had a chance to flip one of them, she hasn't. TWICE.

Nice work on nutella wobbling! My world always had vanity as wolf as the centerpiece, and I wanted to flip vanity before nutella because of that. But your world suggests that there is a scum-sided interest in keeping the Elephant/vanity dichotomy going, and in that case vanity could be town-aligned. That does turn quite a few things on their head.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:09 am @Elephant and @Hyena do you feel like vanity was just fabricating his lack of knowledge about why Nanook accepted me and Elephant into the town core?

If my assumptions hold, I'm fairly sure he doesn't know.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:14 am Also, is Mendel here? There was reference to him during that last dialogue.

My apologies, what did I miss?

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:26 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:16 am
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:14 am Also, is Mendel here? There was reference to him during that last dialogue.
My apologies, what did I miss?
I thought I saw a reference to him but can't find it now. I must have still been half asleep.

I see what you mean.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:12 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:02 am I identified strong players on day 2 by a criterium independent of their performance in this game: anyone who advanced in the MU championships is undoubtedly "strong". Benson revealed that he had advanced in a previous season, and including Nanook and LLD, who played this year's finale, the list is Benson, Lady LambdaDelta, Nanook, nutella, Spiny Creature, Vanity. I know why vanity is still alive. nutella is either scum with vanity, or left alive because she was considered pocketed (the vote on Ty4on probably helped create that impression).
Not evrry strong player wants to bother playing MU champs

Yes, but I needed an external criterium. If I can arbitrarily define what a strong player is, I can just choose my strong players to make my statement true. By going to an external criterium, I introduce some small error (as you correctly reason), but avoid the pitfall of committing a worse error.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:23 am @Elephant one thing about vanity that seems to point to him being town is he wouldn't self-pres. Do you think that was a ploy to get people to move off of him?

I have a feeling that vanity knew he didn't need to self-preserve, but I don't yet know if I'm allowed to explain it. Please have patience.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:20 am I think most likely there were originally two scum among first 11 players and Trustworthy and Long Con are the most likely

[VOTE: Trustworthy Liberal] aubergine

This seems like a pure POE vote. Is that the case? Do you have a specific reason to vote Trustworthy Liberal and not Long Con?

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:03 am
Elephant wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:31 pm If there is a trick for pulling quotes from locked threads, could someone please tell me? Wall incoming ín a few.
Elephant, reading back through some of the game I saw this. The way I do quotes is to open another window and use that to search for the posts I want to quote. When I find one I quote it and then copy paste to my "reply" post. Did you try this method when you were trying to pull quotes from the locked thread?

I did not see the quote button while the thread was locked. I follow your process when the thread is open.

Creature wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:10 am Why are we wagoning Elephant?

I am said to have been powerwolfing and controlling the lynches to town's disfavor.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:06 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:05 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:58 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:20 am I think most likely there were originally two scum among first 11 players and Trustworthy and Long Con are the most likely

[VOTE: Trustworthy Liberal] aubergine
We could do this. I feel like TL is that player in everyone's poe that the "stopping the juggernaut" article claims will flip wolf.
There's also a strange resistance to TL lynch
From?

I resist because his ISO feels townie, and I assume he would look scummy by now.

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:37 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:32 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:06 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 1:05 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 12:58 pm
Creature wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:20 am I think most likely there were originally two scum among first 11 players and Trustworthy and Long Con are the most likely

[VOTE: Trustworthy Liberal] aubergine
We could do this. I feel like TL is that player in everyone's poe that the "stopping the juggernaut" article claims will flip wolf.
There's also a strange resistance to TL lynch
From?
I resist because his ISO feels townie, and I assume he would look scummy by now.
Not the strongest reasoning but ok.

Ugh maybe it really is best to resolve vanity already but I do not feel good about it

I agree, it's not the strongest reasoning. Maybe Trustworthy Liberal is very good, and I am bad at reading him.

Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 11:31 am
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:23 am @Elephant one thing about vanity that seems to point to him being town is he wouldn't self-pres. Do you think that was a ploy to get people to move off of him?
I have a feeling that vanity knew he didn't need to self-preserve, but I don't yet know if I'm allowed to explain it. Please have patience.

I noticed earlier that nutella has voted on all the lynches, including the two lynches that are tied. We have always assumed that these lynches were randomly decided, but there is no evidence for it. If nutella is the Doublevoter, then both ties would have been broken by her. Juliets and Creature also voted on Ty4on, but not on Boo, so they cannot be doublevoters. Since the "inception team" have a role cop, they could well have copped a top town like nutella. In that event, the scum would have been aware that the tied wagons were actually not lynching vanity, and vanity could safely grandstand a no-self-preservation.

If this is true, then nutella is subconscious-aligned. As a far-fetched alternative, the 3rd party might also have doublevoting ability. Vanity asked earlier about the independent cop, maybe that is a possibility. But I expect nutella to the town doublevoter, and scum know this. Obviously, nutella must not confirm or deny her role!

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:04 pm Have you played with him before? Can't remember if you've said so

Yes, I have played with him before, but I don't remember much of it.

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 2:59 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:09 am @Elephant and @Hyena do you feel like vanity was just fabricating his lack of knowledge about why Nanook accepted me and Elephant into the town core?
No, he might've been unaware of it. I'm just annoyed that he didn't go back to see why Elephant was being townread. Like, it doesn't really feel like Vanity has been reading Elephant's, or anybody's really, posts and that he's just blindly pushing Elephant only because of that's what he has been doing. Like, there's no effort to really change direction, aside from occasionally calling people scum when they go against him. It's this lack of effort to evaluate people that's really driving me nuts.

Like, Nutella has been swinging back and forth between Elephant and Vanity, but at least these changes are based on, like, new thoughts and info as they're posted in the thread. Vanity, on the other hand, is perfectly fine refusing to acknowledge Nutella's swinging in spite of there being clear evidence that she has been doing it, and it felt like he was fine with it only because Nutella started townreading him again.

I townread players on "solviness", and lack of effort and half-hearted attempts at townish behaviours read scummy to me. If there is no conviction in his play, it appears to not be genuine.

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:31 pm [VOTE: Vanity] aubergine

I'm committed to it. I'm not going to strongarm you into voting him Nutella, but I think this is the way we need to go. If I'm wrong, you can beat me up tomorrow for it. :P

Your vote seems to not be reflected in the poll yet.

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:26 pm Also, hiiii Mendel. <3

Thank you for the warm welcome!
This is my only Syndicate account, so technically it is not an alt. JJJ knew all along, and so did nutella. I've become the Elephant because I felt a bit of an imposter for not actually advancing in the championship, because I wanted to conceal my presence from some participants (not here now), and because I wanted to try out a more considered and less emotional and aggressive posting style. I'd prefer to keep the style, though I can drop it if that helps resolve me. I guess it's good that this isn't an anon game, eh?

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:54 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:48 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:26 pm Also, hiiii Mendel. <3
Thank you for the warm welcome!
This is my only Syndicate account, so technically it is not an alt. JJJ knew all along, and so did nutella. I've become the Elephant because I felt a bit of an imposter for not actually advancing in the championship, because I wanted to conceal my presence from some participants (not here now), and because I wanted to try out a more considered and less emotional and aggressive posting style. I'd prefer to keep the style, though I can drop it if that helps resolve me. I guess it's good that this isn't an anon game, eh?
Oh man, I'm so glad this isn't an anon game. I'm always terrible at those, haha. And I understand! I've considered making a secret alt account for similar reasons. Unfortunately, I think my personality would inevitably bleed into my posts regardless, so I always thought it would be a futile effort for me, lol. Also, you're not an imposter! D:<

Thank you! I know I'm not, and Jimmy did invite me, and I don't feel strange any more, but I did when I signed up!

Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:55 pm hey everything seems fixed and working for me was able to view the thread but postings wasn't going but here now.

So let me ask do people buy vanity's defense? personally i don't.

Elephant you were talking about not trusting the Vig anymore based on not shooting Vanity do you think that if Vanity flips wolf this is ever more likely?

Nutella you seem to be throwing your vote around alot jumping onto alot of different wagons as they form any comment on that?

Vanity if you are town who other then me would you suspect as the wolf in the thread on the originally people?

If anyone has questions for me ask please i want/need to prove my towniness to you all.

The true vigilante is town-aligned. We assuming that they are role that is doing the extra night kills, but we have no evidence. We know that we have a 3rd party role as well who might be killing. I don't think vanity's flip matters here: the vigilante does not know vanity's alignment, and might holster from other concerns; the 3rd party probably does not know vanity's alignment either, but the fact that vanity is alive today has been worse for town as if he had been killed as either alignment. Personally, I still believe we likely saw vigilante kills, and vanity's flip is not going to change that.

Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:21 pm
Trustworthy Liberal wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:55 pm hey everything seems fixed and working for me was able to view the thread but postings wasn't going but here now.

So let me ask do people buy vanity's defense? personally i don't.

Elephant you were talking about not trusting the Vig anymore based on not shooting Vanity do you think that if Vanity flips wolf this is ever more likely?

Nutella you seem to be throwing your vote around alot jumping onto alot of different wagons as they form any comment on that?

Vanity if you are town who other then me would you suspect as the wolf in the thread on the originally people?

If anyone has questions for me ask please i want/need to prove my towniness to you all.
The true vigilante is town-aligned. We are assuming that they are the role that is doing the extra night kills, but we have no evidence. We know that we have a 3rd party role as well who might be killing. I don't think vanity's flip matters here: the vigilante does not know vanity's alignment, and might holster from other concerns; the 3rd party probably does not know vanity's alignment either, but the fact that vanity is alive today has been worse for town as if he had been killed as either alignment. Personally, I still believe we likely saw vigilante kills, and vanity's flip is not going to change that.

EBWOP

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:58 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:48 pm
Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:26 pm Also, hiiii Mendel. <3
Thank you for the warm welcome!
This is my only Syndicate account, so technically it is not an alt. JJJ knew all along, and so did nutella. I've become the Elephant because I felt a bit of an imposter for not actually advancing in the championship, because I wanted to conceal my presence from some participants (not here now), and because I wanted to try out a more considered and less emotional and aggressive posting style. I'd prefer to keep the style, though I can drop it if that helps resolve me. I guess it's good that this isn't an anon game, eh?
Hahaha it IS you! I hope this doesn't mean you will stop posting Elephant pics!

I don't have 200 yet...

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juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:56 pm Ok, I see your concern @nutella about TLib being that guy in the poe from GH's article but from my own observation and the discussion that just took place I feel stronger about vanity.

Hyena is right, we need to resolve him today because we are just pushing the food around the plate instead of taking a bite. I share the concerns about vanity seeming like he's just reading the posts that are more current in here when he comes on line instead of studying the posts he missed and trying to solve the game. I understand he isn't enjoying himself and doesn't want to try but that's just not a good enough excuse. So I am going to vote him now -

[VOTE: vanity] aubergine

Also, Hyena I think mentioned Long Con and how odd it is that when he's mentioned with another player it's the other player that gets the vote. I also find that odd.

Can you look up when Long Con has been voted, and by whom?

[mention]Long Con[/mention] , you refer to reading player ISOs in some of your posts, but I didn't get a good impression of your actual solving process. What are you looking for when you' are resolving a player? What about their ISO makes them town or scum to you?

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:09 pm From days before the last day phase here are the LC votes:

October 27th
7:56 pm Mac votes LC

October 28
11:43 pm - Mac votes LC

Nov. 1
4:35 pm - vanity votes LC

I didn't do yesterday's phase but I'll look through it right now for LC votes.

juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:32 pm Votes for LC during the last phase:

Monday November 4
7:08 am - Creature votes Long Con

That is hardly anything.

Thank you, Juliets!

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:13 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:45 pm @Long Con , you refer to reading player ISOs in some of your posts, but I didn't get a good impression of your actual solving process. What are you looking for when you' are resolving a player? What about their ISO makes them town or scum to you?
Sometimes I picture what they're saying as coming from a town or scum perspective, and see which feels like a better fit. Sometimes I look and see who a person has been talking about, and who a person hasn't been talking about. Sometimes I look post-flip to see if new information reveals anything juicy in hindsight. I don't have a "method".

Could you walk me through the perspective that Trustworthy Liberal's posts show to you?

vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:04 pm hi. is today eod? i awoke a little bit ago.

Yes, EoD is in 55 minutes.

Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:23 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:20 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:16 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 11:14 pm
Quin wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 10:56 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 05, 2019 7:12 pm @Creature I see it as a starting place at least.

I'm anxious to hear what @Quin and @Lady LambdaDelta have to say about whether they saw the Nanook and Ty4on flips when they happened the first time. And whatever else they can tell us.
To my understanding we weren't supposed to see flips. We saw boo's but that was some kind of host oopsie. Also Epi (among others, probably - but he's an example) disappeared from our thread yesterday and isn't in this thread so something's going on there.
Maybe they went to a deeper level? As far as I've been able to guess, this level is the top and yours is the next dream in, so maybe another was added
That's likely. Just to clarify, I know pretty much nothing about how this 'sink' works. We had to vote but whoever we ended up lynching didn't die, and then we lost like 11 people at once.
Ok so when Nanook and Ty4on (who replaced nova) joined us here we guessed that Nanook was "NKed" over there to get "kicked" to our dream level, and that Nova/Ty was "lynched" over there (since they told us that he was one of the apparent candidates for people's votes there, though of course they couldn't be sure).

Do you think your side voted to lynch LLD or yourself, and that the other one may have been "NKed"?
I think they would have NK'd lady and lynched me. I townread Lady and my activity was abysmal for a lynch pool of 5 people.

Your activity today isn't much better. Neither you nor LLD have voted yet.

Quin wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 11:07 pm gth reads based on mac's exercise:

Benson: I've only known Benson for a day and a half, but if anything ever happened to him I would kill everyone in this game and then myself. Similar to TSP in having things to say about just about everything, but there's dedication to these posts TSP doesn't have. Town.

Dragomir: Early juliets callout set off alarm bells. Didn't really sound like a test even though that's how he played it. There's fluff, but his meaty posts are targeted in just about every direction which isn't a bad thing. Kinda don't think he'd go so overboard with that Evenstar stuff is he was bad (to stay out of the spotlight if anything) Town.

Lady L (thank you umineko references): The 4 person shtick is...confusing? I won't linger on it. I do hope there's not actually 4 people behind the role though. Somewhat insightful up until the nutella vote which isn't explained until later on. Though she is proactive in getting the lynch going (good), Lady has her heels in the ground when talking about it with other people which sucks a bit. Town.

Rej: The Michelle callout is a good look (questioning those who blindly accept townreads). It's a good point against her, though if I can make time I'd give her a read too before I make any judgments. Not a whole lot to work with otherwise. Town.

TSP: Fluff. If scum, probably buddying the elephant. He's got a lot of posts yet so many of them seem to be tiptoeing around the events of the thread without dedicating himself to anything. Scum.

Benson reads town, and flipped town. Dragomir reads town, and flipped scum. Tony reads scum, and flipped town. One out of three?

vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:09 pm ask yourselves this:

i flip. what happens next? think about it from a town flip, a mafia flip, or a 3p flip. what do you guys do?

a) kick something really hard and watch a violent movie
b) job well done, feel good!
c) Lady Luck smiled upon us, we're the best!

vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:15 pm why are you bringing up quin's d1 reads elephant? this seems sorta random.

I looked at the voting poll, saw Quin and LLD not on there, and wanted to lay some groundwork for tomorrow. This might be my last chance.

vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:18 pm trying to solve quin's alignment i suppose. i just find it weird that you're trying to iso quin and stuff and go about it unbiasedly but ever since you cased me you never stopped tunneling me.

Quin wasn't very active today, and Lady LD had a single post, I think? They just flew under the radar because we were preoccupied, and somone suggested to lynch inside the "old guard". This is a bit of a prod with view to tomorrow that these guys can't keep slanking. (Well, I haven't gotten to LLD yet.)

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:20 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:47 pm
Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:13 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:45 pm @Long Con , you refer to reading player ISOs in some of your posts, but I didn't get a good impression of your actual solving process. What are you looking for when you' are resolving a player? What about their ISO makes them town or scum to you?
Sometimes I picture what they're saying as coming from a town or scum perspective, and see which feels like a better fit. Sometimes I look and see who a person has been talking about, and who a person hasn't been talking about. Sometimes I look post-flip to see if new information reveals anything juicy in hindsight. I don't have a "method".
Could you walk me through the perspective that Trustworthy Liberal's posts show to you?
Ask me tomorrow

I'll try.

Yes, that was a short ISO. I saw a nutella push on D1, and not much more.

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Mon Oct 28, 2019 1:13 am Hi, my name is Nyx and I'll be your resident speaker for today.

We as a whole have just played 5 games of mafia and Lexi is exhausted so we won't be posting again today, but honestly we're checking in because I figure if we never check in we'll never catch up.

So I delegate the task of helping us know wtf is going on to all of you! Find me interesting posts I should read and tag me in them and we will read them!

That way I don't gotta give a fuck and I can just chill and watch anime~

Sounds good? Great.

-Nyx

We should try the "tag LLD on interesting posts" technique tomorrow.

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juliets wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:32 pm I'm really disappointed that LLD hasn't posted more.

I was looking forward to playing with her, too.

Hyena wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:46 pm
vanity. wrote: ↑Thu Nov 07, 2019 6:40 pm okay so here's the deal.

if you think you will never be able to find me as town this game, lynching me is the correct move. if you are not comfortable with ride or dying me, lynching me is the correct move. but if you're lynching me because you think you have to, then lynching me is absolutely not the right move. lynch me because you think i'm a wolf. don't lynch me for any other reason.
Yeah, if people are voting because they feel like they have to, like, don't do that. I'm voting because I don't feel comfortable calling Vanity a ride or die. I don't feel like I can call him town.

I believe the best I can do each day is look for the scummiest player I can find, and lynch them, and if I can't, vote the scummiest wagon. The vote is our weapon, and needs to be used, even if we're rarely ever 100% sure. Not every game has a #1610!

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nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:02 pm Is that everyone in the same place now? Hi y'all

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juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:20 pm @nutella I thought Creature was an odd night kill. Did it make sense to you? I know vanity said Creature was town but he didn't have a high degree of influence in the thread.

Creature voted Trustworthy Liberal yesterday, with vanity and Long Con. The WIFOM is strong with this kill.

Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:24 pm Nutella and Juliet are scum with the Creature flip and I should have been smarter I missed on my 50 50 cant say more than that.

How does the Creature flip make them scum?

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:26 pm
Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:22 pm oh my god there's SO MUCH DATA

115 pages of backlog

super fun

let's see about the highlights
I think page 73 ish is where you guys first left us.

There is an event list at the bottom of the first post.

juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:27 pm
Elephant wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:25 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:20 pm @nutella I thought Creature was an odd night kill. Did it make sense to you? I know vanity said Creature was town but he didn't have a high degree of influence in the thread.
Creature voted Trustworthy Liberal yesterday, with vanity and Long Con. The WIFOM is strong with this kill.
Hi Elephant didn't realize you were here.

I posted TWO Elephants already! How can you overlook an Elephant?

nutella wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:31 pm
Lady LambdaDelta wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:27 pm
Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:26 pm You guys lynched Spiny's slot AND Vanity.

Da actual fuq.

Who pioneered those lynches? They're scum.
Nutella and Juliets
I resisted the vanity lynch for by far the longest and if you had read you would know that. If anyone engineered it, it was elephant.

I tried this for three days, and the day before yesterday we had a strong wagon that nonetheless ended up not lynching. And if your "turn the game state around" initiative had succeeded, vanity would have been not lynched yet another day. I pushed vanity for their scummy play, and you dragged the lynch out.

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