The Syndicate

poutanko wrote: ↑Mon Nov 12, 2018 7:52 pm Epi kill:
Juliet: Why did the maf kill Epi? That's so random.
Luna: Hey, maybe it's someone he sussed, let's take a look!

Jay kill:
Juliet & Luna: Let's talk about something else.

@juliets @Lunalee Why is this different treatment? What will be accomplished by talking about Epi kill? Why no one talk about Jay kill when:
>Jay is a big fish
>Speed watched Jay and LC visited him N1 (cop? block?)
>Jay survived until D4
>Suddenly killed N4
If talking about who's getting killed by scum could accomplish something, isn't talking about Jay kill will bear more fruit than Epi? You two talked about Epi but not about Jay. Why?

Not really sure what you want me to say about the Jay kill. The reason I commented on Epi was because there was a discussion going on in thread when I happened to be around, so I gave my thoughts on it.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:40 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:38 am Placing my vote on Sprityo mainly because he replaced into this game and has used that as an excuse to be a low-profile player. Which makes it super easy to slip by as scum. I don't trust him.
What about colin?

Last I went through Colin's posts (to find the INH/speed stuff) I actually saw posts that made me unsure. Like he looks bad from that interaction, but overall his posts look like town. Is Colin really good at hiding as mafia? Cause if he is bad, I'm impressed. Some of the stuff he's said is throwing me off a bit.

@MacDougall Hi, need something?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:53 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:46 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:40 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:38 am Placing my vote on Sprityo mainly because he replaced into this game and has used that as an excuse to be a low-profile player. Which makes it super easy to slip by as scum. I don't trust him.
What about colin?
Last I went through Colin's posts (to find the INH/speed stuff) I actually saw posts that made me unsure. Like he looks bad from that interaction, but overall his posts look like town. Is Colin really good at hiding as mafia? Cause if he is bad, I'm impressed. Some of the stuff he's said is throwing me off a bit.
He has plenty of experience and I vaguely recall that Colin is cool under pressure, so I wouldn’t discount him for having a believable tone alone.

Honestly I can’t get past his vote right now. It has all the markings of a pre-meditated move. He's not engaging with the thread in its current state and he came in with a ready-made vote which he’s not moving off of.

His "not engaging" with the thread is worrisome. That isn't easily noticed when you go back and look at someone's posts alone. So yeah, I would be okay with a Colin lynch as well.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:53 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:46 am
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:40 am
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:38 am Placing my vote on Sprityo mainly because he replaced into this game and has used that as an excuse to be a low-profile player. Which makes it super easy to slip by as scum. I don't trust him.
What about colin?
Last I went through Colin's posts (to find the INH/speed stuff) I actually saw posts that made me unsure. Like he looks bad from that interaction, but overall his posts look like town. Is Colin really good at hiding as mafia? Cause if he is bad, I'm impressed. Some of the stuff he's said is throwing me off a bit.
He has plenty of experience and I vaguely recall that Colin is cool under pressure, so I wouldn’t discount him for having a believable tone alone.

Honestly I can’t get past his vote right now. It has all the markings of a pre-meditated move. He's not engaging with the thread in its current state and he came in with a ready-made vote which he’s not moving off of.

How did I miss that.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:59 am If I were choosing between Colin and sprit, I'd lynch Colin first right now. But self-preservation is on the menu for me now, so if things stay the way they are I'll need to stay on sprit. I'm okay with him too.

I also remain open to other options.

I'll vote Colin with you

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 10:03 am Is it time to self pres? My apologies if you waste a day just to lynch me and learn I was civilian again. [VOTE: sloonei] aubergine

Will you vote colin with me?

If we lynch either Pout or Colin and they flip scum, it will basically confirm the other one guilty

juliets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:07 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:54 am If we lynch either Pout or Colin and they flip scum, it will basically confirm the other one guilty
If Pout is scum why does Colin have to be scum? Pout could have easily given us one bad and one good townie. It just seems too risky for her to be bad and give us a teammate check as good and a town check as bad.

True. The WIFOM is strong in this game.

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:08 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:54 am If we lynch either Pout or Colin and they flip scum, it will basically confirm the other one guilty
I have no idea what Poutanko’s alignment is, but if you lynch me, don’t take my civ flip as proof of anything but that I’m civ and that you should have listened to me.

Fine.
Question for you, if Sloonei were no longer an option who would you vote for?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:16 pm Luna, I have played a lot of games with you and you were my scummate once upon a time. What does my town play look like? What does my scum play look like? I feel like you get pinged by me constantly and I’m not sure where it comes from.

I don't know how to read you Colin. Mostly you're pinging me now just by process of elimination. I would have to go back and scroll though your old games to remember what your scum/town meta looks like, and I'm not going to do that right now.

[VOTE: MacDougal] aubergine
I keep forgetting about him, and I don't think I've seen any good argument as to why he's town. Anyone else want to weigh in on MacDougal?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:30 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:21 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:08 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 11:54 am If we lynch either Pout or Colin and they flip scum, it will basically confirm the other one guilty
I have no idea what Poutanko’s alignment is, but if you lynch me, don’t take my civ flip as proof of anything but that I’m civ and that you should have listened to me.
Fine.
Question for you, if Sloonei were no longer an option who would you vote for?
Probably you or Sprit. I can easily see a world where Sprit is being bussed by Sloonei right now. Notice that he isn’t self-presing by voting Sloonei.

No. Assuming Sloonei is town, who would you vote for.

Okay listen up. I have use of the divination spell and here are my results:
N1 - Owner/Sloonei TOWN
N2 - Epi TOWN
N3 - used another ability
N4 - DharmaHelper TOWN

I didn't want to claim already. But it's day 5 and I don't want to knowingly watch a townie get lynched. So @timmer @DharmaHelper @ColinIsCool @Jackofhearts2005 make a better choice and get off Sloonei.

If you need further proof, look at my first rainbow read post. I listed Epi and Owner in dark green, since I had checked them by then.

poutanko wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:42 pm ...you wot

I asked DDL and it is possible for two people to have divination. That's why I didn't out myself after you claimed

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:57 pm I'm not buying Luna's claim for the simple reason that her targets are shit. [VOTE: luna] aubergine

Wow, I'm sort of offended by this. This is the first time I've been a cop in a mafia game, and I've been doing my best, okay?

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:55 pm Still want that explanation from Luna though.

What do you want me to say to you nutella? You already called my targets shit. I chose them because it seemed like a good idea at the time. Take it or leave it.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:21 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:19 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:57 pm I'm not buying Luna's claim for the simple reason that her targets are shit. [VOTE: luna] aubergine
Wow, I'm sort of offended by this. This is the first time I've been a cop in a mafia game, and I've been doing my best, okay?
LUNALEE MY DEAR SWEET LUNALEE VOTE FOR JACK WHO IS BAD

Fine, sure, okay.
[VOTE: Jack] aubergine

timmer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:26 pm Ugh now I'm going to get in trouble here at work ffs lol...

DH, tell me ONE FUCKING THING jack said that is wrong? All I'm hearing from you is that you think there can't be 3 cops, and you are ignoring that one of the others has had their claimed results proven false. Tell me SOMETHING beyond just that "there can be only 2 cops". I trust you, but I can't even see a single reason you've listed beyond "he must be lying?"

There can be more than one divination user according to DDL. In the unlikely scenario that three players have it, I would bet that at least one of them is scum, and using it to make fake claims. Either Pout or Jack.

@Jackofhearts2005 did you "cop" me?

honestly maybe we should vote poutanko today. She's the only claimed cop with false reads, right?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:32 pm Do not vote Poutanko vote Jack Jack is bad I'm literally going to be nightkilled for this

please tell me what Jack told you his reads were?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:45 pm Lynch Jack, if he flips civ you can lynch whoever you want.

I'm okay with this. You seem so confident and I really hope you're right and aren't missing something.

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:48 pm Here’s a question,

If I vote jack, will anyone vote me?

there are 4 already on Jack. You switching your vote will literally save your skin.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:50 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:35 pm
Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:33 pm
Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:32 pm Jackofhearts2005 when did you get your town ID on me?
N2
Aight. Why did you check me and luna? What exactly happened in the floo chat with DH?
I checked you cause everyone was all over Owner and I didn’t really get it. Cop peek respolves the issue.

Copped Luna cause she was in my poe and tends to get mislynched. Easy to get her lynched if she’s bad without outting even if DH doesn’t help. Could result in a prevented mislynch if she’s good.

Also checked DH n1 after being ripped to shreds by him in O31 but I got no result. He couldn’t explain that but I let it go. N3, I used a different ability.

As for our floo talk, I explained my strategy, gave my checks and told him the code Kyle and I had come up with prior in floochat.

He said it made sense but maybe I was bad with you or wrong about you (like cloak or misdirection). We shot the shit about CC123 and some other stuff. I have a couple thread reactions cause I didn’t want to stick my neck out on thread. Iirc, it was mostly about Speedchuck’s watch claim, which I ended up basically posting to the thread anyhow.

I really have no idea what he’s talking about me fucking off instead of answering him or my results contradicting other results.

Jack did very obviously state multiple times that I was town.

@DharmaHelper I think there's a chance that you've misread Jack. Is that possible?

Sorry but I'm switching to Pout

If Jack were bad, there would be no reason to pretend "cop" me and stick up for me. I'm one of the easiest mislynches he could have pushed

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:55 pm If Jack were bad, there would be no reason to pretend "cop" me and stick up for me. I'm one of the easiest mislynches he could have pushed

@DharmaHelper then why this? If you look at Jack's posts he very clearly thought I was town and said so.

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:57 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:23 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:55 pm Still want that explanation from Luna though.
What do you want me to say to you nutella? You already called my targets shit. I chose them because it seemed like a good idea at the time. Take it or leave it.
Please explain what the hell made them seem like a good idea. Why did you choose them

Only if you ask nicely

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:01 pm I'm very hungry but I also want us to lynch a baddie I'm conflicted.

go eat, we've got this

Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:03 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:01 pm I'm very hungry but I also want us to lynch a baddie I'm conflicted.
go eat, we've got this

Actually change your vote to pout then go eat.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:07 pm OK then fuck it lol

I mean we could all switch to MacDougal, who looks pretty scummy to me, and one of the many cops in this game can check Jack tonight. How about that?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:09 pm I volunteer to cop check myself.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:10 pm
Lunalee wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:08 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:07 pm OK then fuck it lol
I mean we could all switch to MacDougal, who looks pretty scummy to me, and one of the many cops in this game can check Jack tonight. How about that?
You voted for Mac right before all of this happened and any chance at discussion about him got smothered.

What's the quick version of the case against him?

I just remember him jumping into the thread and tying to stir up suspicion on me, and being shut down by Jack. Also he hasn't been super active with any discussions.

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:20 pm oh right [VOTE: jack] aubergine if that wasnt obvious

linki: look at who's voting poutanko

Colin?

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:26 pm i see luna/jack interchangeable because yknow, cop claims but DH sounds convinced it's jack

not to mention

they ALSO said the other the was lying.

so many lies this game

linki: a teensy bit

linki2: no, jack is my most trustworthy

(yes that is correct)

You think Jack said i was lying and I said Jack was lying? Because that didn't happen.

sprityo wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:28 pm no no no, jack and DH contradict

yes, very much so. I know DH is town, but I also want to think Jack is good and DH is mis-reading him

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:30 pm
timmer wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:28 pm Here's my final thoughts.

1. DH wouldn't do what he did today without a reason.

2. Poutanko had a bad read, yes, but I can tell you that DDL is hazy as fuck about whether some actions worked like you think, so it's plausible.

3. Jack seems to have no unique result to speak of, which is a very convenient sign ofa baddie using thread info for false claims.

And Christ DH, get off of that.
I claimed Sloonei towncheck and Luna towncheck before Luna claimed.

Wait what? You're saying I didn't have to claim today??

nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:35 pm Moving back to jack what the heck

but why??

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:38 pm Oh shit wait

I thought you wanted Jack to get lynched. Too late to back track now

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:56 pm That was a pretty good fakeclaim tho rite?

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 4:01 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:59 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:58 pm
ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:57 pm
DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:56 pm
juliets wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:55 pm wow, good one DH. So does the Horcrux still protect Jack or was it a one use thing? I'm just super dumb this game.

tons of linki
It protects him until we find his teammate is how I read it.
So what was your thing against Timmer about?
Tone read him as a teammate pissed/confused that Jack got outted.
Well I for one take your suspicion seriously.
Probably because you've known me since I was a wee babe and you personally witnessed the mafia Gods come down from the heavens and bless me as their one true chosen son.

DH I'm glad we hit a baddie, but this was really bad for your ego.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 5:03 pm For realzies though my teammate(s) probably get vig killed tonight because that’s just the kind of game I’m having.

So Jack, why did you buddy me so hard? I thought we were friends.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:03 pm Up/Down chances of Jack/Sloonei actually being a team?

You think I got a rigged cop check on Sloonei?

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:16 pm
nutella wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 6:15 pm Lol remember when jack tried to convince me kara wasn't bad because the mystery vig wasn't killed lol wild.
You’re a liar, too.

Who else is a liar, Jack?

ColinIsCool wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 10:01 am I really do understand if everybody wants to lynch me, I bungled Jack pretty badly but if you have any direct questions you’d like to ask, shoot

I don't want to lynch you Colin

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:10 pm Do either of the two cops that aren't Jack have anything to add lmao.

I checked Kara, so no.

DharmaHelper wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 4:16 pm Aw shucky Ducky.

As long as everyone knows I have cop abilities and I continue to survive, I can take suggestions of who to check next.

Voting Sprityo for now because he just seems most likely to be scum out of who is left.

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