The Syndicate

Hyena wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 4:57 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 12:39 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:14 am

Long Con wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:58 pm

Hyena wrote: ↑Fri Feb 19, 2021 10:50 pm
My working theory
- The Marmot wagon is completely clean. No scum at all. With no strong case against Marmot and the wagons going every which way, I bet scum felt that they could pull off an alternate yeet with enough work
- Tim and Martin were alternative yeets pushed by scum so that they wouldn't lose another teammate
- Nanook is scum, and LC and Michelle are town, correctly pushing Nanook as scum.
- Dizzy is scum, and 112 and Falcon are town, correctly pushing Dizzy as scum
- 112 is town, and maybe(?) one scum between Kyle and TSP? I'm least sure about this part.

This isn't quite accurate. I did not push Nanook as scum, I voted there simply to sheep nutella earlier. I assumed I would be changing my vote by the end of the day.... I pictured myself being there by the end of the day, but I forgot that the end time was earlier than I'm used to.

This post reminds me of LC in Bread game. He doesn't agree with a clear on himself, most likely speaking with an honest tone.
Analogy makes him a villager fmpov

@Hyena I don't think you should have a working theory that's basically a random solve of the game. I've been "pushing" Nanook though, but tbh it's based on total vague feelings and 80 % guesswork. Who pushed Tim and Martin as an alternative to Marmot then? Can you name names?

"I don't think you should have a working theory that's basically a random solve of the game."
Yes, I should. <3

"Can you name names?"
Nah, I can't.

fwiw I think its >rand town to do the "random solve".

I did in Shadow Corridors on D2/D3 a bit since I had the time for it, and I don't think scum easily comes up with this stuff unless they're in that game w/ me. (They weren't.)

As for how accurate "random solving" is, I've figured probably not but it might be a good guide. I kinda forgot how well my last thing did.

Made wrote: ↑Sat Feb 20, 2021 7:15 pm Hi Martin, I think we're mind melding. What are your reads on 112 and Master Radishes?

mr town iirc

112 I had like a small town lean long ago but Idk either way tbh and I'm not really interested in pursuing them rn

I kinda forgot why I town'ed MR but I know it was recent

also p#8815 is a book and the largest wall that I've ever seen that isn't 80% quote spam

I'll read it later when I have the motivation to do so but I'm noting it in my ISO so I pick it up easily later

So I'm going to be honest here

I am quite frankly drained from the game for some reason in that aspect everyone should absolutely chop me despite being town

but I've looked into some random iso's hoping to do something useful because quite frankly without my townreads I feel quite aimless for the past 48 hours or so

I have this gut feeling that maybe Kylemii is being given too much credit or even being mafia

it also bothered me finding this in the marmot ISO but he never really brings it up again beyond this aside from his very minor interactions with Kylemii

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:59 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 12:47 pm I think that Kyle is Mafia; the way he's constantly talking about having to catch up is a way I've seen Mafia do, can't really argument it; it's just how I've seen it; I think there are other people who groan at having to catch up but they aren't following it so faithfully / they meme from time to time / they still give reads from time to time.

I think the way Kyle is approaching this is wolfy and he's constantly reminding us that he's trying to read every post (which I believe him that he is) but that's busywork IMO and he's mafia.

You're right, I don't recall Kyle doing this. I think he tends to post off-topic rather than complaining about catching up.

I'mma look him up in other big games as a townie player.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:28 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:26 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 3:26 pm @tutuu I am in the middle of comparing Kyle to a couple past games. I need to do some other things, but I'll be back to finish later

okiii furball

It also bothers me that the last few posts that Kyle has been here for a few minutes

errr bit of time

He hasn't even voted me even though there's 3 votes on me atm

Despite there being multiple instances of kyle voting me before

which makes me feel like he's disinterested in a non-towny way

But I don't know kyle

and I don't have much more time to spend on this nor energy but I feel its important to point out because quite frankly I should be executed tbh

Oh and I targeted

Falcon n1
JPIC n2
Nutella n3

Apparently 1/2 of my action failed on Nutella on n3, so IDK how that happened but it did and the other part worked.

Syn wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:24 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:23 pm Oh and I targeted

Falcon n1
JPIC n2
Nutella n3

Apparently 1/2 of my action failed on Nutella on n3, so IDK how that happened but it did and the other part worked.

are these actions alignment indicative of who you targeted or is this just mech info that we can use with other mech results later

Its not really alignment related at all

but it has both positive and negative utility to it and while I don't imagine it being relevant I figured I would drop that info because if I die without doing so then people can speculate on what I "actually did" and I don't wish for that to happen

(I can't choose having only negative or only positive utility; when I use it, it uses both aspects of the ability)

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:05 pm

tutuu wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:01 pmDyslexicon - claims to have protected nutella during n3 and to know that his action was successful (unsure if it means that he knows he wasnt roleblocked, or if he knows that nutella was attacked

It means Martin had a result on his actions that makes sense with the ability I used. Only one part of his action failed. If he can confirm it was the negative effect that failed, my action was successful. I don't know how he got the info about only part of his action succeeding, but it fits with my action, so that's why I believe him, and I believe he's town.

From what I understand apparently Nutella sacrificed self for Jack?

Give that's the only plausible explanation to me rn and apparently you tried to do a protective on Nutella

I would have to confirm that my negative effect failed and the positive effect succeeded

also this thread looks like a field of well-grown GMO-certified "What the fucks" is going on

DrWilgy wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:10 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:10 pm also this thread looks like a field of well-grown GMO-certified "What the fucks" is going on

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:11 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:09 pmFrom what I understand apparently Nutella sacrificed self for Jack?

Give that's the only plausible explanation to me rn and apparently you tried to do a protective on Nutella

I would have to confirm that my negative effect failed and the positive effect succeeded

Ok, good. I mean, you were the one saying only 1/2 succeeded, so I assumed you already knew which part of your action failed before hearing from me. But I protected Nutella from all harm, so it would make sense if your positive action was the only one that stayed.

Yeah I wasn't told which part failed, I thought it was "if you used one you had to use the other (which is true)"

but apparently if one part fails that doesn't mean the other fails as well

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:26 am

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 4:08 am

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Mon Feb 22, 2021 10:23 pm Oh and I targeted

Falcon n1
JPIC n2
Nutella n3

Apparently 1/2 of my action failed on Nutella on n3, so IDK how that happened but it did and the other part worked.

I can confirm somebody targeted me with something n2

@MartinGG99

I vaguely hinted at being targeted on n2 in the last day, do you know what I’m referring to? Going to assume that was you

If you're referring to the "Nothing Personal" post then yes

But otherwise I probably missed it either because I'm an idiot or it wasn't me?

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:17 pm @MartinGG99

Please confirm if the thing I recieved was you. I hinted at it

Oh if its some sort of item then it 2000% wasn't me

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:19 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:18 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:17 pm @MartinGG99

Please confirm if the thing I recieved was you. I hinted at it

Oh if its some sort of item then it 2000% wasn't me

Nah not an item

You wouldn't get any unique feedback except for maybe my negative effect.

My positive affect likely alerts no one about it nor does it give any evidence of it working ig.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:22 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:19 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:18 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:17 pm @MartinGG99

Please confirm if the thing I recieved was you. I hinted at it

Oh if its some sort of item then it 2000% wasn't me

Nah not an item

You wouldn't get any unique feedback, but my negative effect might give some standard feedback.

My positive affect likely alerts no one about it nor does it give any evidence of it working ig.

EBWOP.

Anyways, RN I can't think of anything related to what you're talking about and I doubt its me.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:24 pm Will give you a point for not taking credit

If I had a strictly bad scum role I might've taken credit but honestly my role could be seen for both alignments given the positive/negative effects

so I suggest not giving a point

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:25 pm How did you know only 1/2 of your action went through then?

That's for who RECIEVES my actions. Not for me. I don't get any feedback unless it fails apparently. Even in part!

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:29 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:27 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:25 pm How did you know only 1/2 of your action went through then?

That's for who RECIEVES my actions. Not for me. I don't get any feedback unless it fails apparently. Even in part!

Yes, ok, but you still said only 1/2. I'm still not sure how you figured that out. But I don't know if it's important.

I didn't figure it out.

Dunya and Epi did.

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:32 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:29 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:27 pm

Dyslexicon wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:25 pm How did you know only 1/2 of your action went through then?

That's for who RECIEVES my actions. Not for me. I don't get any feedback unless it fails apparently. Even in part!

Yes, ok, but you still said only 1/2. I'm still not sure how you figured that out. But I don't know if it's important.

I didn't figure it out.

Dunya and Epi did.

My only guess as to why my role got feedback of it failing "in part" is because apparently I use a "cold icy glare" in the description of my role. So if one of my actions failed, I would see it.

Or just simply host policy. I have no freaking clue.

Hey @Sloonei wrt to your read on Thunal/HK is there any new developments since D3 or D4?

Or is this back to your D1 suspicions?

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:43 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 7:42 pm Hey @Sloonei wrt to your read on Thunal/HK is there any new developments since D3 or D4?

Or is this back to your D1 suspicions?

Absolutely nothing new or substantial.

Okay I will go back and consider it

So I can't spend a whole lot of time on this but looking at Marmot's ISO wrt Thunalkatt I think it's more favorable to spewing Thunalkatt as town rather than a wolf teammate.

I'll be coloring what I find to be indicative, and it has a very few small comments in pink by me.

@Sloonei

Though I have yet to look though the HK iso.

I also looked at Sloon's concerns (again) at D1 and I think they're a bit valid but as he said in the past (idk about now), its more of a matter of a "lack of a townread" and honestly that's what makes me feel like Thunalkatt was just simply being misunderstood and partially why I believed in her being town so much on D1.

Or something along those lines.

Sloonei wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:44 pm

MartinGG99 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:42 pm

Spoiler: show

Marmot wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 4:57 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Tue Feb 09, 2021 3:51 pm I also think Tutuu is town more strongly now for baiting Michelle. Idt Michelle is necessarily scummy for forgetting Esooa was playing, i've seen town do that before (I saw a townie seriously put the hosts in his readslist once).

I've voted for or stated reads on non-players before, but I've only done it when I'm scum.


But nobody's allowed to use this against me k?

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:31 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 11:03 am

tutuu wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:10 am lol its cute that youre so literal thunal

when alison put on her cat ears she transforms into thunal

lol I take that as a compliment since I really like very logical playstyles like Alison's.

My experiences with you in video mafia tells me that you also have a bit of a devilish/unpredictable streak in you too, in addition to playing logically.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 1:36 pm I meant that in that, Thunal has opened up a couple games by claiming that she's scum and I'm her partner (which isn't something I've seen from her in forum mafia yet).

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:39 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:36 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:35 pm

nutella wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:29 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 2:18 pm [VOTE: Master Radishes] aubergine

I just feel like he'd care more about his push on 112 as town.

I feel like you're the one who doesn't care about your pushes and now you're voting the right person for the wrong reasons imo lol. I agree with dya's assessment that you're going through the motions.

Also you're concerned about dizzy's read of you but he's barely read anything--though if I'm gonna trust any spontaneous guy read he has it would be on you as one of the players he's most familiar with

How exactly does anything evidence that I'm not caring about my pushes??? Yes I am caring, and I'm town. I refuse to be this suspected day 1 since I'm literally town and I don't understand any of this.

I'm a bit stressed since I'm going back to school in a few days and I have a lot of work to do but I still keep getting sucked into this game.

So you're in the tutuu camp of "please let 12 players die Night 1"?

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 6:29 pm Why are people voting Thunal, I was obviously joking

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 8:10 pm I think Thunal is the only town player in the game

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:20 pm

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 1:36 pm

Long Con wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:43 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:38 pm I also don't think people answered me on this: was Hyena's original role a scum role? Do people think Hyena's role means he shouldn't be a yeet target?

Roles can change alignment when ported from a regular game into a role homage in the Champs game. I think that's part of the fun, really, and I'd be disappointed if it didn't happen at all. That said, it's also great to honour the evil or heroism of a role by keeping it as-is in Champs.

I am not sure if the original role was indeed a scum role, or if that's just something someone made up, as folk do.

MacDougall wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:45 pm

Thunal33 wrote: ↑Thu Feb 11, 2021 10:38 pm I also don't think people answered me on this: was Hyena's original role a scum role? Do people think Hyena's role means he shouldn't be a yeet target?

Holy shit you are caught mafia.

LOL

That said, I don't think Thunal's caught mafia for reasking the same question.

Actually, I'm not sure I see this. I have a tendency to skim posts and not remember everything, isn't that just what's happening here?

This feels so lackluster; if Marmot was a wolf defending another teammate I would expect more than just a small and simple explanation or just "why are people voting Thunal" and "I was obviously joking". Heck, that might even be promoted by TMI on them being town. Or at least it feels like this is a simplistic defense of a townie rather than a wolf-teammate which I imagine would be more comprehensive.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 3:45 pm

dyachei wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:17 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 2:12 pm @dyachei you said you want two votes and received Marmot's
If you need another one, i'll give you mine

i really want the top 2 wagons to be thunal and cat

I've explained thunal a lot and I think cat's a hit too (mostly based on mac's case)

i think that if both those wagons were to die today I'd be pretty happy

This post feels kinda manipulative. Why don't you want to entertain outside of these two?

That said, I agree that cat's posts are pretty scummy, but I disagree on Thunal.

Marmot wrote: ↑Fri Feb 12, 2021 6:25 pm Cat's ISO looks meh. Their earlier posts don't look great, particularly the one where Sloonei asked for their reads. Their response to the case from Mac (and others) looked better. But they didn't really leave much of a legacy aside from Sloonei grilling them for reads.

I'm also happy voting falcon.


I will not be voting for Thunal though. The overtly formal nature of their approach being a sign of scum is a read I disagree with.

It would be strange to me if Marmot intentionally left 3 subjects to talk about at EoD1, and two of those three are his wolf buddies. Doesn't make sense to me.

Marmot wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 2:22 pm

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:14 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:06 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 11:00 am

hollowkatt wrote: ↑Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:58 am Why sheep JPIC?

Why not?

"I'm super town" isn't super appealing?
Why is JPIC super town?

I defended your slot D1, but then was concerned I was wrong with the Dya NK who was heavily suspecting you D1

Oh I forgot about that.

I also defended Thunal Day 1. Please live up to those expectations hk

I don't think you would forget defending a wolf temmate, where your goal is in part implicity is to not allow the death of teammates and if said deaths are not avoidable then to try and benefit the most from them in the goal of eliminating towns.

So I can't spend a whole lot of time on this but looking at Marmot's ISO wrt Thunalkatt I think it's more favorable to spewing Thunalkatt as town rather than a wolf teammate.

I'll be coloring what I find to be indicative, and it has a very few small comments in pink by me.

@Sloonei

Though I have yet to look though the HK iso.

noted. i also have not done any work to substantiate my suspicion. it's just there.

Yeah but the fact that you came back to after all this time was interesting to me and so I wanted to reflect on that to see if anything's changed about my perspective.

Also its furthered my town-read on you imho.

Made wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:41 pm Yo, what if we just BOOM sucker punch mafia in the nose and take [VOTE: SLOONEI] aubergine now?

Naw

He's town methinks

It feels too....un-wolfy? For sloonei to come back to HK simply because of a lack of a town-read by now and a seemingly authentic (to me) small suspicion the whole game.

Like, wolves would be more focused on the current discussions I think.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:56 pm Sloonei is like 95% town

Tinfoiling there is silly imo

this

He's just genuine heck I wasn't even aware he made that post about feeling relieved of the pressure.

I looked at some of his interactions and his recent resurfaced suspicions on Hollowkatt and he just feels and looks town to me IMO.

That post makes it look even better for !town Sloon imo.

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Tue Feb 23, 2021 8:58 pm He was silenced.

I refuse to entertain the notion that scum silenced their teammate

There's also this too.

[VOTE: TSP] aubergine

I have to look into 112 later.

I'll try to be here more but no guarantees since I have a paper due on Thursday and an all-day (virtual) extracurricular conference on Friday.

So I think its time for me to full claim now.

What I do is that I protect someone from death, but also role-block them. I can't do one or the other, I must do both unless I fail to do so. Apparently I'm from the Pyre game, with my role name being "Jodariel".

n1 Falcon (For role-block)
n2 JPIC (For role-block as I was suspecting him at the time)
n3 Nutella (For protection; I'm guessing what "failed" is my role-block give the Dizzy claim)
n4 Tedxtr (Obviously, for role-block)

Now unless someone got reasonably saved by Dizzy (which is still possible) or someone else

It's also plausible that I role-blocked the mafia carrying the kill. Or tedxtr got attacked but then thats ??? imo.

Anyways, I role-blocked him mostly because his mech info didn't show up on that wonderful mech master list by @tutuu.

I'm giving this like 10-15 mins before I go back to working on my paper

so if anyone currently here has questions shoot now plz

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 7:24 pm Wait it was Dizzy who had protection right?

Where's tutuu's list...

Dizzy does do protection of some kind. IDK, but it would appear both our claims support each other given we both targeted nutella n3 and my negative effect was the one that likely failed.

Syn wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 7:28 pm Dyslexicon - claims to have protected nutella during n3 and to know that his action was successful. backs up that martin's claim is real, and that dizzy stopped the negative part of martins role, but the positive one succeeded (dizzy was alerted of this).

^^ don't see how this really works with Martin's results

Oh that changed?

I thought it had a different wording and she protects.

Err he

Or rather they.

I forgot the pronoun :c.

tutuu wrote: ↑Wed Feb 24, 2021 10:33 am Dyslexicon - claims to have protected nutella during n3 and to know that his action was successful. backs up martin's claim, allegedly they make sense together.

See this is what I saw

it was on V2

Justplayingitcool wrote: ↑Thu Feb 25, 2021 7:32 pm incoming soup kill from kyle

Meh I should've died long ago if that's the case lol