The Syndicate

Heh, I had the 'Syndicates = scum team' theory awhile ago. I didn't voice it because, you know, it's not the case.


I do wonder, though - a lot of low posters are Syndicate regulars I think. Were they just caught off guard by such an active game?

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:15 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:11 pm

Epignosis wrote: ↑Thu Oct 31, 2019 7:10 pm Today was a circus. I would not have been surprised to have looked out into the hall and spied a juggling bear on a unicycle. I saw plenty else.

Did someone say you were a teacher? Me too. I empathise.

What's your subject?

Trained for History & English, but these days teaching History, Geography, Religious Education.

Inner city secondary school in London, so plenty of juggling bears in the halls and such.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:59 am

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 1:56 am Heh, I had the 'Syndicates = scum team' theory awhile ago. I didn't voice it because, you know, it's not the case.


I do wonder, though - a lot of low posters are Syndicate regulars I think. Were they just caught off guard by such an active game?

It really hasn't been that active of a game though. Not eith how large the initial game started as.

That's what I meant. We had, what, 3000+ posts in about three days? Definitely hard to keep up if you fall behind.

This bit has been manageable, which is maybe why we've seen a few pop in.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:07 am Let's be real. Half the reason we're all following this is entertainment value, the other half is that most of us all have multiple syndicate scum reads already so there is no issue with following along for now.

Yeah, this. I'm not actually going to focus only on Syndicates, but they're mostly in my PoE still, so...

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 11:21 am @iaafr

Remind me why you think individual Syndicate players besides Epi look scummy?

Like you, Pawn, 112 and Radishes have all expressed that your suspicions mostly lie on Syndicate regulars.

I don’t have any Syndicate regulars in my scumpool. What am I missing?

To clarify, I said most were on my PoE; I didn't say I was scumreading them all. Most are simply null, this in the PoE.

Does anyone else feel like we, as a group, are doing a poor job of actually scumhunting today? A lot of the discussion has been only tangentially helpful in rooting out the mafia amongst us.

I know we can't narrow down to a couple wagons as we approach EoD, but we can still ISO and build cases and such.

We've got several low posters, replacements catching up, Mac dealing with sick children, Nook refusing to engage, Pawn without a laptop, LLD flipping out...

Who's left who wants to play with me?

(Although I'll be in and out over the next few hours myself.)

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:00 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 2:55 pm Does anyone else feel like we, as a group, are doing a poor job of actually scumhunting today? A lot of the discussion has been only tangentially helpful in rooting out the mafia amongst us.

I know we can't narrow down to a couple wagons as we approach EoD, but we can still ISO and build cases and such.

Like in all seriousness so many people have basically low/no posted that we can't actually do anything to truly ISO them, especially due to the lack of a D1 thread and the vote coordination restrictions.

So there are so many people that have to be auto nulled/null- that we can't effectively scum hunt with all of the negative space. So it's been largely focused on jokes and honestly town building.

It's just that people are heavily conflicted on who make up town and it's been more of an unsaid undercurrent rather than something explicitly stated.

Yeah, that.

You're good at saying things.

But this is a scum's dream gamestate - we can't effectively coordinate a town vote, and all votes are secret, so the 3-4 mafia likely to be in here can stuff the vote privately. (I'm assuming they still have day chat.) Like, if we don't try to coordinate at all, we could spread the votes across a wide range and then the scum could vote as a bloc and force out a consensus town read.


My interpretation of the restrictions placed upon us would allow for us to make a list of relatively consensus townreads*, which we acknowledge are suboptimal lynch candidates, which could thereby help reduce the potential lynchees to a smaller pooler that we agree would be the optimal lynch candidates.


*I realise this is easier said than done, but hypoethetically if I SR Evenstar and few others do, I'm unlikely to vote for her if I suspect no one else is going to; I'd rather vote strategically for another SR I have that others also share.

I would be very unlikely to vote for Rabbit, Mac, Michelle, Nanook, or Pawn today. (I have a deepwolf suspicion or two in that pool, but am nonetheless very unlikely to vote there today.)

As a general principle I don't support voting for low-posters without just cause, and as such would also be unlikely to vote for Quin, and likely Dom. (Nova is an exception due to my vote analysis.) I could be open about Dom if someone paints me a good case.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:11 pm And as it is, I believe it should be fairly obvious who my most thread consensus vote option of my bottom 5 is, considering how I divided them in a group of two and a group of 3.

Yeah, this is what I'm getting at. I'm just working from the top down because I feel my reads are not widely shared.

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:14 pm I would be very unlikely to vote for Rabbit, Mac, Michelle, Nanook, or Pawn today. (I have a deepwolf suspicion or two in that pool, but am nonetheless very unlikely to vote there today.)

As a general principle I don't support voting for low-posters without just cause, and as such would also be unlikely to vote for Quin, and likely Dom. (Nova is an exception due to my vote analysis.) I could be open about Dom if someone paints me a good case.

And LLD falls under the same category as Dom.

But I think Sprit and Colin could be on the table; I really need to ISO them or something, though.

Pawn Lelouch wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:16 pm But to reiterate my scum read bottom group is Dom, Nova, Quin, with my upper group as Rej/Colin, LLD, Sprit.

You, Epi, iaafr, Mac, ES, 112 as my null+ or higher groups. Michelle and Jack are my nulls.

This is...safe. (Did someone say that to you earlier, or was that about something else?) Is this just sort-by-postcount here?

I don't agree with Quin, though. Have they posted a single thing? Not a good vote as it doesn't really solve anything for us going forward, regardless of flip.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:23 pm I have a feeling my head is about to roll this phase lol, that's super lame

At the end of last day, you voted 112 last minute (well, 7 mins left) without any justification I spotted, nor any real build up to it I spotted. Drago then flipped red. This therefore looks like you were possibly trying to prevent a scum getting lynched.

So let me ask: why did you vote 112?

With apologies for not providing any specific quotes (none stood out as the best examples), I just ISOed Dom and like him. His analysis doesn't have any recognisable agenda. In fact, he mostly just picks a fight with Rabbit. Scum!Dom surely tries to play with his teammates a bit, at least to the point of picking a fight with someone they'd have a hope of shading, if not outright focusing on players they can get mislynched; no one scumreads Rabbit, do they?

So I think Dom is a DNL for me.

Sorry was eating dinner.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:44 pm Rabbit
Radishes

Gth are they town or scum?

Town
Town

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:48 pm Lol this game is also know as “Jack asks for Nova’s reads.”

Mac
Quin

Town
Fuck knows - can be scum I guess

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 3:52 pm Pawn
Epi

Town
Town?


Were there more?

Just did a quick ISO of Colin and Sprit.

Colin's thoughts come without agenda, IMO. He sounds like a townie trying to fit into a game that has left him behind. I could be wrong on this, but so far I don't mind him.

Sprit is the opposite. I didn't like that one post in D1, and continue to find thoughts of his I just ...don't like. I'll give examples later if I have a few moments strung together tonight. (I'm in and out, as I said.)

I think Sprit is sinking to my bottom pool.

Open question:

How do we feel about 112 today?

I...kind of liked? But not enough to raise them beyond null-.

iaafr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:52 pm or I'm still right on the conspiracy theory and sprit was just trying to gaslight me out of it

Everyone's reaction to that was 'lul sure' and Sprit's was 'that's ridiculous and I'm not responding about it again blah blah blah'.

Have we settled on a threesome yet?

I want Sprit and Nova in there. Can't decide on a third at the moment.

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:26 pm is late at me i will submit my PM in 10 mins and wish us luck.
if my Poe of Nova, Quin and LLD is wrong please say it asap.

Sprityo and Colin can wait.

From outside this thread my top scum is Elephant but he is not here, and i think i can put him in good company with Hyena.

Michelle I TR you and want to work with you. But I don't like Quin being in there on 2 posts. That's such a cop-out.

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:35 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 4:43 pm Just did a quick ISO of Colin and Sprit.

Colin's thoughts come without agenda, IMO. He sounds like a townie trying to fit into a game that has left him behind. I could be wrong on this, but so far I don't mind him.

Sprit is the opposite. I didn't like that one post in D1, and continue to find thoughts of his I just ...don't like. I'll give examples later if I have a few moments strung together tonight. (I'm in and out, as I said.)

Do you not like my thoughts because you don’t agree with them or do you not like my thoughts because you think I have some kind of hidden agenda?

Bit of column A, bit of column B.

I feel I do disagree with your reads (don't remember which per se) but I also do feel I read your posts and wonder if you're forcing certain thoughts a bit.

It might also just be a stylistic difference and I'm misreading you entirely, but what can you do.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:35 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:33 pm Have we settled on a threesome yet?

I want Sprit and Nova in there. Can't decide on a third at the moment.

Why am I there fam?

Your EoD vote and your lack of play today until recently.

Fwiw I haven't minded some of your posts here lately, but we need a pool and we can't discuss specifics, so in you go.

Jackofhearts2005 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:38 pm My three are still Radishes, 112 and iaafr.

But I’ll probably vote outside that just to have an impact.

Oh, my *real* three is different. This is my what-is-acceptable-to-you-plebs three.

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:41 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:35 pm

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:26 pm is late at me i will submit my PM in 10 mins and wish us luck.
if my Poe of Nova, Quin and LLD is wrong please say it asap.

Sprityo and Colin can wait.

From outside this thread my top scum is Elephant but he is not here, and i think i can put him in good company with Hyena.

Michelle I TR you and want to work with you. But I don't like Quin being in there on 2 posts. That's such a cop-out.

why do you TR me?

I didn't in D1 as much, but I think some of that was language and style differences. When I actually read closely, I find your thoughts cogent and solvey and I think we're seeing the game the same way to some extent.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:42 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:39 pm

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:35 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:33 pm Have we settled on a threesome yet?

I want Sprit and Nova in there. Can't decide on a third at the moment.

Why am I there fam?

Your EoD vote and your lack of play today until recently.

Fwiw I haven't minded some of your posts here lately, but we need a pool and we can't discuss specifics, so in you go.

You asked about my post, and I gave you an explanation. What's your take on that? Haven't seen you get back to me, it feels weird especially if you're genuinely trying to figure me out. Engage me there. My lack of play is obviously due to me being busy, it was the same D1 as well. Activity isn't alignment indicative for me.

My time is limited - sorry for not getting back to you.

I actually sort of liked your response, but I don't think it clears you because it's equally an easy one for a scum to make.

Look, if we had more time we could maybe sort this out, but at the end of the day I found a handful of votes, including yours, scummy, and everyone here has rejected some of my other reads.

Dom, are you planning to engage with anyone but Rabbit?

iaafr wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:47 pm "engage" is generous there

I still think it's more townie than not for him, but the longer it goes on the more the pendulum swings.

Dom you clearly don't like Rabbit's style, fine, but it's his style of playing and he's been doing it all game.

Move on and try to help us solve please? Rabbit is clearly not being voted out today unless everyone is lying.

Michelle wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:49 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:43 pm WELL I GUESS ILL TAKE THE PISS AGAIN

SO MUCH FOR TRYING MY BEST HUH JACK? BECAUSE APPARENTLY THAT ISNT GOOD ENOUGH TO GET PAST EVERYONES FUCKIGN EGO

I’m voting between “This game is bastard+anime gifs”, “this game is bastard syndicate is scum”, and my fucking self

Good night

Fuck off

i don't think a wolf is posting like this. just saying

You've never seen a wolf fake AtE when they are a lynch candidate?

I think it's null - could be either alignment really.

Hot take: scum are mainly not present atm because they're satisfied with the shortlist.

Evenstar wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:52 pm

sprityo wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:43 pm WELL I GUESS ILL TAKE THE PISS AGAIN

SO MUCH FOR TRYING MY BEST HUH JACK? BECAUSE APPARENTLY THAT ISNT GOOD ENOUGH TO GET PAST EVERYONES FUCKIGN EGO

I’m voting between “This game is bastard+anime gifs”, “this game is bastard syndicate is scum”, and my fucking self

Good night

Fuck off

@Pawn Lelouch @Master Radishes
Are you two very very sure about putting this guy up as an option

As an option? Yes.

Am I staking my life on him being a red flip this game? No.

Emotion can be faked.

novaselinenever wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:53 pm

Master Radishes wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:49 pm Dom you clearly don't like Rabbit's style, fine, but it's his style of playing and he's been doing it all game.

Move on and try to help us solve please? Rabbit is clearly not being voted out today unless everyone is lying.

Radishes is bad.

No, I hard TR Rabbit and softly TR Dom.

Epignosis wrote: ↑Fri Nov 01, 2019 5:54 pm Still behind a bit.

Needless to say, copy and paste any other post of your own or someone else's you think would be important later.

Why are you trying to catch up? Come and engage in real time as the minutes tick down.

Geez.