The Syndicate

Hey there. I don't know wtf is happening in here. I have actually read everything though, so solid start. Hi Jay, you can take me out of that pool.

Yeah well I always get eliminated as a civ these days, let's try and break that routine this time round, shall we?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:23 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:20 am Hey there. I don't know wtf is happening in here. I have actually read everything though, so solid start. Hi Jay, you can take me out of that pool.
I just might. Sometimes you draw undue suspicion just by way of lower content, but you can be read for the authenticity of your play. And this is a good start to that. Just do your thing your way and I'll get there.

I'll do my best

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:30 am Fwiw I have a couple real reads

And will otherwise be playing entirely to have fun cause I’ve had too many less than fun games recently and I refuse to be made to take this one seriously until, like, D4

Put me in the towncore and I’ll sheep

I'd be interested to know your real reads

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:43 am atm i lean town on epi, jay, wisp, daisy and tony. maybe maybe sabie but idk

everyone else who’s posted is meh to me

nanook actively rubs me wrong but i don’t think i know how to read him. he has a different energy than in space invaders though and it’s skeeving me out a bit. not sure how to articulate, not sure it’s even AI, idk

My gut is reading Sabie as civ atm, but I don't have a good reason for it.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:16 am Wisp's push on nanook is really bad and JJJ's #269 and #270 are really bad.

[VOTE: JaggedJimmyJay] aubergine

I disagree, I don't see what you find objectionable in Jay's posts. It looks like standard Jay from where I'm sitting. I'm not saying it should give him a civ pass, but I don't understand where you are coming from. Please explain.

I see your explanation now Alison (for some reason stuff is getting missed in my linki) and yeah, that's just Jay.

Jay:

I lean good on Tony. It's his conditional statement that gives me that impression.

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:50 am my process of sorting is kinda weird in that i typically start with too many town reads and then steadily raise the bar of towniness until the wolves fall out

i find it pretty hard a lot of the time to get scum reads i feel confident in so i focus on finding town early on instead

just in case its weird to anyone

I kind of dig it

I’m in

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:32 pm KITSUSHEL Bad
SABIE12 Good
EPIGNOSIS Good
ALISON Good

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:35 pm DRWILGY Bad
SPRITYO Bad
SPACEDAISY Good
WISP Good

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:38 pm COLINISCOOL Bad
LONG CON Bad
TONYSTARKPRIME Good

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 2:40 pm NANOOK Good
FUNNYGURL555 Bad
JAGGEDJIMMYJAY Goof
HALLY Good

Lol I meant good for Jay, but goof works too

I was surprised by how many I am feeling wishy washy about.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:34 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:29 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:29 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:20 pm Also yes I agree there’s very likely at least one if not more scum in the zero to very low posters.
literally rand%
Why is that equal to a random distribution?
if we assume a 3:1 wolf ratio, there's likely at least a wolf in the low - no posters.

anyways everyone except you have too many "bads" to make sense really. 1. and 2. where the hell did spacedaisy's reads even come from? or the sprityo reads. are you guys really gonna miskill him again? i think the blanket suspicion is a good look imo but eh it's too early to form any type of read on that slot

y'all

y'all

It’s Day 0, I lean bad on people that I feel null about. Why would I be more trusting of people this early in the game?

NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:41 pm
Wisp wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:40 pm
KitsuShel wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:37 pm Ok, so. I’ve finally gotten through the entire thread. And this basically boils down to y’all chatting/arguing with each other and metagaming the first day? Or am I misreading?
its mafia? what should we be doing?
and what do you mean by meta-gaming?

if you are talking about mechanical reads
I got Hally at claiming miller
and whoever the dude that claimed doctor, as bad day 1 lynches
Using meta is metagaming

Wilgy claims doctor in first post almost every game, he’s literally a doctor.

LOL, I was so confused for a second. I was wondering how I missed someone claiming Doctor. Now it makes sense, I’m so used to it I don’t even think about it.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:42 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:38 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:34 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:29 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:29 pm
NANOOKTHEGREATANDFEARSOME wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:20 pm Also yes I agree there’s very likely at least one if not more scum in the zero to very low posters.
literally rand%
Why is that equal to a random distribution?
if we assume a 3:1 wolf ratio, there's likely at least a wolf in the low - no posters.

anyways everyone except you have too many "bads" to make sense really. 1. and 2. where the hell did spacedaisy's reads even come from? or the sprityo reads. are you guys really gonna miskill him again? i think the blanket suspicion is a good look imo but eh it's too early to form any type of read on that slot

y'all

y'all
It’s Day 0, I lean bad on people that I feel null about. Why would I be more trusting of people this early in the game?
why not say null then??? this makes you appear like you have more of an opinion on players than you do. i'm not saying to be more trusting-- what i'm getting at is i don't trust *your* reads.

Because I’m GTH reads you aren’t allowed to say null. It’s literally just a split second knee jerk response. That’s why we are substantiating them, we are just feeling out the gut reactions of ourselves and everyone else. Sometimes it gives away someone who is bad.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:46 pm ok fine w/e im not used to this gth stuff

I am struggling to decide if I think your tone is coming from a baddie that feels caught by they didn’t expect, or a civ who is frustrated that others see the game differently than they do.

It doesn’t help that I’ve never played with you before.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:52 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:51 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:46 pm ok fine w/e im not used to this gth stuff
I am struggling to decide if I think your tone is coming from a baddie that feels caught by they didn’t expect, or a civ who is frustrated that others see the game differently than they do.

It doesn’t help that I’ve never played with you before.
hi nice to meet you :B

You as well

KitsuShel wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:54 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:40 pm
KitsuShel wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 3:37 pm Ok, so. I’ve finally gotten through the entire thread. And this basically boils down to y’all chatting/arguing with each other and metagaming the first day? Or am I misreading?
For the most part I think this has been about getting reads on each other. The game started somewhat spammy, but it has solidified into a well-oiled machine of Mafia work. Some of that is arguing and some of that metagaming, but not all of it. Do you have feelings about any players after catching up?
Gut feeling might be that sprityo, long con, and tony are scum. I feel really good about you and Nanook, but that might also be because you’ve been the most welcoming/informative for me.

I’d say some of the more prolific posters have been aggressive, which is generally a town trait I’ve found.

But, then again, I think I’ve established that you guys have a way more aggressive playstyle here compared to Realms. Which is not a bad thing, mind you. It’s kinda refreshing.

What about TSP looks bad to you?

I enjoy GTHs because it helps me sort out what I’m feeling about people a bit.

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:04 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:02 pm I like KitshShel.
KitshShel is my strongest townread

That surprises me. Why?

[mention]sabie12[/mention] Id like to hear your current thoughts. We haven’t heard much from you lately.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:49 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:45 pm @sabie12 Id like to hear your current thoughts. We haven’t heard much from you lately.
I'm still on page 15 gah there's so much! I was gone for like 3 hours and in that time there was like 400 posts.

I feel you girl. Step away for ten minutes and there is another page. Just tell what you are feeling right at this moment. Your opinions can change as you read but I would like to hear your thoughts so I can get a better feel for you.

I don’t believe it’s W/W

Long Con comes from an older generation of mafia in this community. We come from the same mafia background. It’s my experience that he tends to protect teammates rather than call attention to them.

I think it’s either a genuine town rage or he’s a wolf who is overreacting about something that I don’t think many of us were thinking much about.

sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:02 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:53 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:49 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:45 pm @sabie12 Id like to hear your current thoughts. We haven’t heard much from you lately.
I'm still on page 15 gah there's so much! I was gone for like 3 hours and in that time there was like 400 posts.

I feel you girl. Step away for ten minutes and there is another page. Just tell what you are feeling right at this moment. Your opinions can change as you read but I would like to hear your thoughts so I can get a better feel for you.
Yeah I just like to try to catch up in case I miss something important. I'm at the part where jay had everyone do gth reads and a little after.
I think fg suspicion is warranted. I also don't remember if I have played with them before so not familiar with their style but I would lean scummy on them.
Alison had suggested hally and FG as teammates but I don't know. I'm still like 4 or 5 pages behind. What thoughts are you looking for right now aside from my brain is exploding?

I just wanted to see some thoughts. Thanks!

Alison wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 5:06 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 4:59 pm I don’t believe it’s W/W

Long Con comes from an older generation of mafia in this community. We come from the same mafia background. It’s my experience that he tends to protect teammates rather than call attention to them.

I think it’s either a genuine town rage or he’s a wolf who is overreacting about something that I don’t think many of us were thinking much about.
When there is in-thread evidence to indicate that LC is bussing his mafia buddy, I am unmoved by appeals to his meta of not bussing his buddies in general unless it is extraordinarily strong.

You’re entitled to your opinion and I am entitled to mine. I don’t expect to sway anyone, most people don’t listen to me anyway. But I’m not going to sit on information or not state my view because you are “unmoved.” Your “in thread evidence” amounts to just your interpretation of the exchange.

Fair enough Alison.

Alright I have to figure out where I want to vote after all that...

I’m going to [VOTE: Long Con] aubergine
Explanation coming

Ok regarding my vote

Here is what I have been chewing on, I believe that civs can overreact. It’s not even his behavior that has me ??? It’s the fact he said how could he know what Jay did with the info from the GTHs. We’ve discussed it at length plenty of times on the site. I find it pretty interesting but not something I would ever base a suspicion upon entirely. But I don’t understand how he can act like it might have just been something mentioned once in one of Jay’s multitude of posts. I just don’t understand his reaction to it to begin with and also the things he said about it as the conversation went on. Also, only one bad and he said it was because of the name? I don’t get it.

I feel like an equal amount of suspicion for FG, but I see her seeming to try to solve, so I put my vote on LC who has blatantly said he just wants to get Jay eliminated and doesn’t care about anything else. I’d rather give her more time personally.

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:40 pm It'd be neat and swell and stuff if some folks could give me a quick ranking (least-to-most suspicious/worthy of chopping) of the four players <20 posts:

KitsuShel
sprityo
DrWilgy
ColinIsCool

Least suspicious to most. I feel more town lean on KitsuShel now. I'll see if I can retrieve the post that changed my mind.

KitsuShel
DrWilgy
ColinisCool
Wilgy

So I looked back over kitsu's posts and now I'm thinking I may have confused him with someone else.

That said, his reaction to learning what a miller role is seemed genuine to me and I would still keep him in the top spot.

Now I gotta figure out who I am confusing him with...

Hally wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:05 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:00 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:51 pm
sabie12 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:50 pm I kind of thought kitsushels miller claim was weird
Tell me more!
Not a lot more to it. I found it weird they didn't know they were a miller before others started talking about it and the way it was worded. Though I realize that might just be how they post and didn't realize what the term was before.
to clarify, the word “miller” did not appear in my role. i was told if im coped i come up scum, but thats all. if kitsu’s role is the same, she still might not know that miller = her role if shes unfamiliar with the term

does that make sense?

This is how i understood what kits was saying and why the claim looks genuine to me

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:06 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:04 pm The latter ish, This makes Sabie town even though she’s presenting a bad read
Agreed.

I missed a step, what does Sabie have to do with this?

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:10 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:08 pm
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:06 pm
TonyStarkPrime wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:04 pm The latter ish, This makes Sabie town even though she’s presenting a bad read
Agreed.
I missed a step, what does Sabie have to do with this?
Hally asked too, so I'll answer both:

I think it looks like an authentic thought from sabie to wonder why a player doesn't know what a miller is while also claiming to be a miller. It's at least "weird" as sabie described it -- she still placed him as the least suspicious, so there's no opportunism there. It's just a vague concern that I can track with. It's why I followed up her comment with my question about the miller roles (which I think clear the matter up for KitsuShel's sake).

gotcha, thanks

LOL, I just realized I have until tomorrow to vote. I was all worried I was about to miss it.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:35 pm also daisy pls give me that read on alison when u get the chance

gotta figure out how to read daisy

Did I miss where you asked me to give a read on Alison?

Alison was one of the ones I felt wishy washy about in the GTHs. I lean toward Alison being good, I don't really see the game the same way as Alison, but I see effort to find wolves and it seems genuine.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:47 pm
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:40 pm
Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 11:35 pm also daisy pls give me that read on alison when u get the chance

gotta figure out how to read daisy
Did I miss where you asked me to give a read on Alison?

Alison was one of the ones I felt wishy washy about in the GTHs. I lean toward Alison being good, I don't really see the game the same way as Alison, but I see effort to find wolves and it seems genuine.
hmm ok.

i see her being universally town read and i gotta caution y'all against that. she's SCARY. thanks

for my purposes anyways this was a null response. wasn't scummy tho which is cool. i have gone nowhere

Do you read her wolf? I'm trying do some ISOs before Day ends, I will do hers too. I appreciate the warning as I have no experience playing or watching her play. I would not say she is lock town for me or anything, but i haven't seen anything alarming yet.

Funnygurl555 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:31 am
Wisp wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 12:28 am I have high standards
good for you. i have none

KitsuShel wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:03 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Tue Jul 07, 2020 10:57 pm So I looked back over kitsu's posts and now I'm thinking I may have confused him with someone else.

That said, his reaction to learning what a miller role is seemed genuine to me and I would still keep him in the top spot.

Now I gotta figure out who I am confusing him with...
Her. No big deal, though. ^_^

Many apologies! Your screen name is close to a username of someone else I know who is male, and I wasn't paying attention to what it says under your avatar.

3rd party

Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:43 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:39 am @Long Con, imagine a hypothetical world where JaggedJimmyJay expresses suspicion of you identical to what you’ve said about KitsuShel (imagine your posts are similar to hers for this exercise).

How do you believe you respond to that?
THAT'S the whole reason I'm bewildered about this, because when my posts are just like that, this is the kind of reads that come out of it! "Long Con hasn't given many reads, and it's scummy." "Long Con just does banter and mechanics talk, and it's scummy."

That's exactly why I brought this up asking why Kitsu is getting so townread. I'm an expert in getting scumread for the same Day 1 behaviour, y'all.

This post reads town to me....

Hally wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:47 am
Spacedaisy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:46 am
Long Con wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:43 am
JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 1:39 am @Long Con, imagine a hypothetical world where JaggedJimmyJay expresses suspicion of you identical to what you’ve said about KitsuShel (imagine your posts are similar to hers for this exercise).

How do you believe you respond to that?
THAT'S the whole reason I'm bewildered about this, because when my posts are just like that, this is the kind of reads that come out of it! "Long Con hasn't given many reads, and it's scummy." "Long Con just does banter and mechanics talk, and it's scummy."

That's exactly why I brought this up asking why Kitsu is getting so townread. I'm an expert in getting scumread for the same Day 1 behaviour, y'all.
This post reads town to me....
how so? i dont see that

it just looks like more complaining about people not town reading him to me

I don't feel like it's fake. It sounds to me like he's sincerely frustrated by something that doesn't make sense to him.

I'm not proposing give him a town pass, just that I don't feel as comfortable with my vote where it is at this time.

I'm going to switch to Colin until I can figure out where I want my vote instead.

[VOTE: ColinIsCool] aubergine

JaggedJimmyJay wrote: ↑Wed Jul 08, 2020 2:05 am
If there’s one LC post I like, it’s this one. Hally’s positive mark for sabie is on the frivolous side, and LC was content to support it anyway. sabie is a player the mafia may need to chop to win the game just given her lower volume. It’s a small thing but whatever there you go.

What is the purpose in this statement?

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